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trout1105
24th April 2018, 03:11 PM
I am looking at a 2007 79 series V8 ute to replace the missuses Hilux twin cab because I don't think that the Hilux has the "balls" to tow a 2.8t van for extended travel.
Has anyone owned one of these trucks and if so what are their weak points that I should be aware of?

rammypluge
24th April 2018, 04:37 PM
Terribly low gearing, whack 35" on.

Vern
24th April 2018, 05:19 PM
5th gear on the pre 2016 I think it is models has a bit to be desired, even with 33's you keep looking for another gear.
I found the brakes pretty ordinary when loaded. Clutch is crap if chipped, allow for a new clutch. Not overly powerful, pretty agricultural, but it is what it is.

justinc
24th April 2018, 06:38 PM
Not impressive at all. STILL a cart sprung commercial vehicle 😣😣. And yes i have worked on and driven them and still find them utterly disappointing. Not sure wjat else is out there though....😮

strangy
24th April 2018, 06:52 PM
My eldest has had 2 different models.One was the 4 door GXL thing, the other was a single cab Ute.
1st one replaced his D2 and he took less than 2 weeks to decide it rode and handled worse than the D2 and less than 4 weeks to decide to sell it.
The Ute had chip and exhaust done and did get up and go nicely but ran out of legs quickly,
Itís an agricultural design like the Defender but canít get them to ride like one.
But, you canít get the build quality the Cruiser manages to consistently deliver.
With the exposure Iíve had directly and indirectly, i would steer away from a chipped vehicle (if you can figure it out) and chip yourself if desired.
At least you will have a bit better knowledge on how hard itís been treated.
They are a very uncomfortable vehicle without expensive seat and suspension mods. Even then IMO not the best ergonomically.

trout1105
24th April 2018, 07:14 PM
My eldest has had 2 different models.One was the 4 door GXL thing, the other was a single cab Ute.
1st one replaced his D2 and he took less than 2 weeks to decide it rode and handled worse than the D2 and less than 4 weeks to decide to sell it.
The Ute had chip and exhaust done and did get up and go nicely but ran out of legs quickly,
Itís an agricultural design like the Defender but canít get them to ride like one.
But, you canít get the build quality the Cruiser manages to consistently deliver.
With the exposure Iíve had directly and indirectly, i would steer away from a chipped vehicle (if you can figure it out) and chip yourself if desired.
At least you will have a bit better knowledge on how hard itís been treated.
They are a very uncomfortable vehicle without expensive seat and suspension mods. Even then IMO not the best ergonomically.

The one I am looking at has a new SS exhaust that looks to be a lot fatter than a standard exhaust and I don't know if it has been chipped or not as I didn't give it that close an inspection, It does have 33' tyres.
I have driven the troop carrier variants of these and they are most definitely not a sports car and my V8 D2a blows them out of the water But they can tow heavy loads with ease is my experience with them.
I would dearly Love to get a D3/D4 to replace the Hilux as a caravan Tug But we NEED a ute to carry all the spare water/fuel, the genset, the extra spares for both vehicles boat trailer and van and the multitude of other things that we want to take for extended trips off grid.
We usually only travel at 90-100kph so speed isn't that important But carrying/towing capacity is.
I will most definitely be getting whatever I am thinking of buying checked over by a Toyota specialist so I will know if the truck has any problems and how much it will cost to fix before I make a decision to buy.
I have worked on plenty of hiluxes and cruisers over the years and nothing on the truck I am looking at appears to be buggered to me But an expert appraisal will be far better than my bush mechanic opinion.

rammypluge
24th April 2018, 09:50 PM
New larger exhaust isnt worth much or anything without a chip. Goes with the territory.

rangieman
25th April 2018, 07:18 AM
New larger exhaust isnt worth much or anything without a chip. Goes with the territory.
Oh but they sound so good with a Zorst:burnrubber:

trout1105
25th April 2018, 09:37 AM
New larger exhaust isnt worth much or anything without a chip. Goes with the territory.

Then it most likely does have a "chip" installed, Is that a good or a bad thing?

justinc
25th April 2018, 10:06 AM
Depends entirely on the 'chip' or remap that is fitted. In all seriousness these engines can be made reliably very torquey however the tuner has to know what they are doing. There are a few in Perth who know whats what with these. Ecuwest in the south of Perth and Gturbo in Balcatta.

Jc

trout1105
25th April 2018, 10:15 AM
Depends entirely on the 'chip' or remap that is fitted. In all seriousness these engines can be made reliably very torquey however the tuner has to know what they are doing.

If I am unsure if the "Chip" has been installed professionally how difficult/expensive is it to have it removed.
Also is there any way to tell if the type of "Chip" is going to effect the reliability of the engine, These Toyota Diesel V8's are pretty much bullet proof in their original configuration.

rammypluge
25th April 2018, 11:46 AM
Bulletproof is normally applied to the previous generation toyota sixes.

strangy
25th April 2018, 11:58 AM
If I am unsure if the "Chip" has been installed professionally how difficult/expensive is it to have it removed.
Also is there any way to tell if the type of "Chip" is going to effect the reliability of the engine, These Toyota Diesel V8's are pretty much bullet proof in their original configuration.
Biggest problem I can see is that piggy back chips are easy to remove and remapped units are a little more difficult without proper equipment.
You canít really tell if itís been chipped and then removed.
I do know that the typically a bigger exhaust is the give away.
I am aware of some chips causing injector nozzles to erode and break off due to too high pressures being introduced.
Local engine exchange/importer in Alice is ďgun shyĒ of the V8 because of this having had 4 from 5 fail spectacularly.

But I expect there are probably a few weíll considered, chipped and cared for units out there.

trout1105
25th April 2018, 12:30 PM
I am aware of some chips causing injector nozzles to erode and break off due to too high pressures being introduced.
Local engine exchange/importer in Alice is ďgun shyĒ of the V8 because of this having had 4 from 5 fail spectacularly.

But I expect there are probably a few weíll considered, chipped and cared for units out there.

Hmmm
Maybe I should give this a miss But the rest of the truck looks to be in really good order and no signs underneath of oil leaks or of doing too much bush bashing and there isn't a scratch or any dents in the bodywork that I could see.
It has a good solid reese hitch type towbar, ARB winch bar and winch (Didn't check the make) with steel cable that will be replaced with dyneema, a full length sealed canopy with roof rack and including an access ladder, Driving lights and lightbars on the bullbar and roofrack, Redarc 12v controller and second battery, 240v outlets with outside caravan style plug, under tray tool boxes, UHF radio and a bunch of other stuff.
It looks like this truck has been setup for touring and the owner has either finished the "Big Lap" or has lost interest.
The Only thing that the truck needs to be a complete touring setup is a solar panel on the roof so it would be a shame if the engine is suspect.
I am going back into town again tomorrow and I will have a much better look and try and organise an independent assessment.

I hope that it gets a clean bill of health because as the Missus will be driving this I am looking forward to seeing the look on the young blokes faces when she pulls up at a servo [biggrin]

weeds
25th April 2018, 12:38 PM
How many of these do you see tuning around......exactly thousands of them.

You mentioned hi-lux not up to it, I tow 2T, not quite what you are wanting to tow but on the flat it would do the job.

We have discussed swapping our Defender pop-top for a troopie pop-top.......and it still an option for our 2021 trip abroad.

Why isnít there just one type car? Because there needs to be a variety as everybody is different and everybody has different needs.

There are not a lot of options in the class youíre looking at.

If it suits your needs now than I say go for it.

101RRS
25th April 2018, 01:02 PM
My brother has a V8 79 - 2010My - for the engine size lacked power (close in power and torque to a 2.7 TDV6) but still better than any equivalent Defender.

Putting brand loyality aside - there is nothing wrong with them - just as good or bad as anything else so go on the condition of the actual unit you are looking at.

My brother had his chipped and exhausted and it had trouble carrying the big house on the tray so he sold it as a complete unit to his neighbour and bought a 200 series Sahara - again no issues except the suspension needed an upgrade from new. Both Toyotas worked well and 8 years after the 79 was bought it is still driving around without any major issues.

My advice is if a 79 is what you want and the unit is Ok then go for it. The only other option would be a Defender of similar spec - not much in it - interior similar, similar drive just not as much oomph as the gastrated 4.5 diesel V8.

Garry

trout1105
25th April 2018, 01:15 PM
How many of these do you see tuning around......exactly thousands of them.

You mentioned hi-lux not up to it, I tow 2T, not quite what you are wanting to tow but on the flat it would do the job.

We have discussed swapping our Defender pop-top for a troopie pop-top.......and it still an option for our 2021 trip abroad.

Why isnít there just one type car? Because there needs to be a variety as everybody is different and everybody has different needs.

There are not a lot of options in the class youíre looking at.

If it suits your needs now than I say go for it.

Our old van was a little old Jayco swan that was only about a ton and we could tow that easily on the flat with the Hilux and still load up the back with spare water/fuel and genset But it did struggle a bit on the hills.
The new van is 2.5t empty so it is considerably heavier and I imagine that the Hilux could still do the job But would be really struggling with the extra weight and we wouldn't be able to put much of a load on the tray.
The cruiser is a bigger/heavier/stronger truck that should be able to tow the van without busting its guts and we can load up the back because they are rated to carry a ton where the hilux being a twin cab can carry bugger all really.
My old boss bought one of these about 10 years ago and he hasn't had any problems with his whatsoever and he uses his as daily a farm ute chasing cattle and general farm work towing field bins etc.
The twin cab hilux is still in great condition ( the Missus loves the thing) and we are not willing to part with it as a trade in so we will probably keep it or pass it along to one of the older grandkids.
The only downside I can see is that the V8 cruiser will use more fuel than the lux But it will still be about the same as my D2a V8 towing a 1.5t boat.

strangy
25th April 2018, 01:44 PM
Hmmm
Maybe I should give this a miss But the rest of the truck looks to be in really good order and no signs underneath of oil leaks or of doing too much bush bashing and there isn't a scratch or any dents in the bodywork that I could see.
It has a good solid reese hitch type towbar, ARB winch bar and winch (Didn't check the make) with steel cable that will be replaced with dyneema, a full length sealed canopy with roof rack and including an access ladder, Driving lights and lightbars on the bullbar and roofrack, Redarc 12v controller and second battery, 240v outlets with outside caravan style plug, under tray tool boxes, UHF radio and a bunch of other stuff.
It looks like this truck has been setup for touring and the owner has either finished the "Big Lap" or has lost interest.
The Only thing that the truck needs to be a complete touring setup is a solar panel on the roof so it would be a shame if the engine is suspect.
I am going back into town again tomorrow and I will have a much better look and try and organise an independent assessment.

I hope that it gets a clean bill of health because as the Missus will be driving this I am looking forward to seeing the look on the young blokes faces when she pulls up at a servo [biggrin]

Not necessarily.
It sounds like its got all the fruit youíd like.
If the guy is a straight shooter heíll tell you what and who did which mods.
If it were me, and everything else made me feel comfortable, maybe Iíd have the injectors serviced/inspected and allowed for in the budget?

rammypluge
25th April 2018, 02:16 PM
The 200 series in my view is much better sorted and much better value for money.

Vern
25th April 2018, 02:25 PM
May be look at the patrol as an option

alan48
25th April 2018, 03:42 PM
Hi,
most likely like many of us your budget is a deciding factor and I must say that your car looks interesting. Just remember that they have the same torque as an Isuzu MUX but of course more usable space with the tray etc. but if you could wait and have a fat wallet no doubt the next model Landcruiser 79 should include an auto option, the wider rear diff and maybe even some more go--apparently under test now in Aust. Would love to see it as a tow tug etc and easy for city driving. [biggrin]

trout1105
25th April 2018, 05:13 PM
Hi,
most likely like many of us your budget is a deciding factor and I must say that your car looks interesting. Just remember that they have the same torque as an Isuzu MUX but of course more usable space with the tray etc. but if you could wait and have a fat wallet no doubt the next model Landcruiser 79 should include an auto option, the wider rear diff and maybe even some more go--apparently under test now in Aust. Would love to see it as a tow tug etc and easy for city driving. [biggrin]


A new 79 series would cost me about 70k ( next years model will no doubt be more expensive) + about 15-20k for the "Fruit" =85-90k and I will loose at least 25k in value as soon as I drive it out of the yard, I can get this one for around 30k.
I am still "Sleeping on it" at the moment But I am very seriously thinking about getting it.




Vern

May be look at the patrol as an option


I have owned a couple of Nissan trucks they were bloody good strong vehicles But the resale value was Crap on them.



rammypluge

The 200 series in my view is much better sorted and much better value for money.


The 200 series is a good choice But I just like the look of the 79 series better, A bit like a poor mans defender on steroids.

Before anyone states the obvious my first choice was for a Defender But the missus after seeing how much it has cost me to get my D2a up to scratch is adamant that we can't afford more than one Landrover in the family sadly.

oka374
25th April 2018, 07:01 PM
If you get it make sure you consider fitting a True Tracker kit to the rear axles, makes a massive difference to how it drives and handles especially when towing. The narrow rear end makes them squirrelly on rough, bumpy and gravel roads and widening the rear track to where it should have been from the factory makes a massive difference. Not hard to do yourself at home and the kit and instructions are very well put together.

alan48
25th April 2018, 07:40 PM
Hi, agree with your comments re value drop but also agree to fit the wider rear diff assembly, think it comes with a locker as well--then a really good machine,and able to handle the heavier vans etc easier than say a tricked up Defender in my opinion-- 2.2 ltrs is just too small. Your Toyo sounds good so if it checks out take it. [smilebigeye]

trout1105
25th April 2018, 07:50 PM
I will take a tape measure with me tomorrow to check and see if the "True Tracker" mod has been done or not.
Out of curiosity what would it cost me to get this mod done at a workshop?

101RRS
25th April 2018, 07:59 PM
The jury is out on the narrow rear track - some say it is an issue, some not. My brother never had an issue. This is one aspect you need to get advice from the Landcruiser forums on.

garry

cripesamighty
25th April 2018, 08:24 PM
The narrower rear track makes for an uncomfortable ride going through sand where the rear end skips from left to right as the rear wheels hop between the front's tracks. Quite annoying actually. I'm not too sure about the safety aspect as I have seen just as many of these rolled as earlier 70 series vehicles. One of the guys at work spat it finally and spent around $15k getting a bunch of stuff done (widened rear end, upgraded GVM etc) and he says it is how it should have left the factory. He reckons it makes a nicer office for him now - given how much time he is in it!

Vern
25th April 2018, 09:34 PM
I have owned a couple of Nissan trucks they were bloody good strong vehicles But the resale value was Crap on them.
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The new ones are holding there value very well. And they have no known issues. But it's not a ute/cab chassis

101RRS
25th April 2018, 09:39 PM
And not a diesel.

rammypluge
25th April 2018, 09:43 PM
The 70 series seem to be a lot of money in the first place for a vehicle that prompts a lot of fixes.

trout1105
26th April 2018, 12:15 AM
The 70 series seem to be a lot of money in the first place for a vehicle that prompts a lot of fixes.

My D2a only cost me 10k when I bought it but it has cost me another 15k since then But I have ended up with a bloody good disco at the end of the day.
I don't think that there is a 10 year old second hand car out there that doesn't have some sort of problem, It's knowing what that problem is and how much it is going to cost to fix before you buy that makes or breaks a deal.
I stupidly bought my Disco on the spur of the moment and disregarded "Due Diligence" that's why it cost me so much to get it up to scratch in the end, I won't be making the same mistake with the Cruiser.
I will be giving the cruiser a through going over tomorrow and also get someone else to go over it before I make a decision either way.
30k isn't a fortune but it is a fairly large sum of money and I think that it is a reasonable price for this truck with all the extras on it, As long as there is nothing major wrong with it.
One "Money Pit" in the family is quite enough, We don't need another one [bigwhistle]

rammypluge
26th April 2018, 04:40 AM
My experience with fastidious 70 series owners is that they are indeed a money pit. There is the rear track issue, stock lack of power issue, gearing issue, lack of auto option issue, interior noise issue, poor factory stereo issue, poor front suspension flex issue........

rammypluge
26th April 2018, 04:40 AM
.......gvm upgrade issue........

Vern
26th April 2018, 04:44 AM
And not a diesel.So? Just as economical as the 79.

trout1105
26th April 2018, 08:55 AM
My experience with fastidious 70 series owners is that they are indeed a money pit. There is the rear track issue, stock lack of power issue, gearing issue, lack of auto option issue, interior noise issue, poor factory stereo issue, poor front suspension flex issue........

They are No different to my D2a V8 with the 3 amigo's issues, SLS issues, window actuators issues, head gasket issues etc. etc.
No 4WD is Perfect.
This thread is NOT about Landrover VS Toyota Guys.

Arch
26th April 2018, 09:50 AM
They are No different to my D2a V8 with the 3 amigo's issues, SLS issues, window actuators issues, head gasket issues etc. etc.
No 4WD is Perfect.
This thread is NOT about Landrover VS Toyota Guys.

Haha this is what I have come to love about this forum.

I've worked on heaps of 70s and owned a couple. The rear track issue is not an issue - people make it an issue as the FEEL its an issue. The Toyota engineers have their reasons - I'd trust their experience before any punter on a forum.

Otherwise, they are a good beast - they have their problems and quirks like any vehicle. Rent one before buying one if you can to see if you can tolerate owning one.

weeds
26th April 2018, 11:45 AM
Haha this is what I have come to love about this forum.

I've worked on heaps of 70s and owned a couple. The rear track issue is not an issue - people make it an issue as the FEEL its an issue. The Toyota engineers have their reasons - I'd trust their experience before any punter on a forum.

Otherwise, they are a good beast - they have their problems and quirks like any vehicle. Rent one before buying one if you can to see if you can tolerate owning one.

Agree with track issue, a mate has travelled all over Australia with and without trailer never been an issue.

The Engineering issue was the need to fit the V8 and coils up front s wide diff up front.

Arch
26th April 2018, 12:57 PM
The Engineering issue was the need to fit the V8 and coils up front s wide diff up front.

The previous 78 series has coils up front but yes the chassis was widened to accommodate the V8. There is much more to it than that though which many forums have speculated on as new rear axle was developed for V8 propelled 70 series and is wider than previous generations. For instance, on my 78 the rear track was 1400mm compared the 1460mm that you will get today.

cripesamighty
26th April 2018, 03:18 PM
Andrew St Pierre White goes into a bit of detail on his YouTube channel explaining what he likes and dislikes about his new Land Cruiser and didn't really hold back. He loves his new Troopy, but had to do quite a few of the upgrades mentioned in previous posts to get it up to the standard he wanted. Might be worth a look at to get some ideas.

DiscoMick
26th April 2018, 04:59 PM
Is this the one with the rear wheel track narrower than the front?

trout1105
26th April 2018, 05:17 PM
Is this the one with the rear wheel track narrower than the front?

Yes.
I am not sure that the one I am looking at has had the mod done to the rear axel to make it wider as I haven't been back to look at it yet because I have a nasty case of gastro and can't move more than 50m from the dunny at the moment[bawl]
From the comments here I don't think that the standard setup is that much of an issue really.

DiscoMick
26th April 2018, 06:05 PM
Rear wheels track narrower than fronts and keep trying to climb into fronts wheeltracks, is what I've heard.

trout1105
26th April 2018, 06:14 PM
Rear wheels track narrower than fronts and keep trying to climb into fronts wheeltracks, is what I've heard.

I have previously driven a couple of 79 series troopies and I didn't notice any nasty handling with them admittedly these were pretty new vehicles (Hire Vehicles) but I did take the off road for a bit of a play.
I am thinking that the different tracking on the axels may actually be advantageous on black soil and salt lakes because driving in someone else's tracks in these situations can get you stuck quite easily.

donh54
26th April 2018, 07:26 PM
I have previously driven a couple of 79 series troopies and I didn't notice any nasty handling with them admittedly these were pretty new vehicles (Hire Vehicles) but I did take the off road for a bit of a play.
I am thinking that the different tracking on the axels may actually be advantageous on black soil and salt lakes because driving in someone else's tracks in these situations can get you stuck quite easily.Except for the power loss, and the fuel burn in sand or soft soil. Add a camper or caravan with yet another different wheelbase, and watch the smiles disappear real quick! [biggrin]

trout1105
27th April 2018, 07:27 PM
I had another Good look at this truck today.
No chip installed and the rear axel hasn't been modified.
There are a couple of minor blemishes in the cab But overall I am happy with the rest of the truck.
I will most likely do the deal next Tuesday because one of the daughters has borrowed the Hilux to help move one of the other daughters from Perth to Geraldton over the weekend and I can't do a trade in until then.
We were going to pass the Hilux down to one of the grandkids But realising that it may cause some jealousy amongst the other kids we have decided against that idea.

Here are a couple of pikkies.

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DiscoMick
27th April 2018, 09:10 PM
Smart looking canopy and roof rack.

rick130
28th April 2018, 08:11 AM
If it's as presented it looks like a nice car

trout1105
28th April 2018, 08:47 AM
If it's as presented it looks like a nice car

The engine, drivetrain, bodywork, interior and running gear on the truck appear to be in very good condition.
The roof rack is part of the very solid canopy build and isn't an add on with a 240v RCD protected outlet inside and also an old school 2 pin 12v outlet powerboard.
The winch is a Bushranger DV-9TH 9,000lb unit with steel cable that will be replaced with a Dyneema rope.
The towbar is a Reece unit with the usual 50mm receiver and hitch.
All the electrical work appears to be done professionally (No dodgy connections and with the appropriate relays fitted) for the extra lighting, winch, 12v/240v power and auxiliary battery.
The lightbar and driving lights look to be quality units as does the under tray tool box and water tank.
There is no 'lift" and no chip so I highly doubt that it was an "Enthusiasts" truck So it shouldn't have had a "Flogging".
All in all this looks to be a well maintained truck with quality modifications that have been professionally fitted.

I will be doing the deal on Tuesday [thumbsupbig]

Thanks for all the "Heads Up" about the Chip and the rear axel, Much appreciated [thumbsupbig]

strangy
28th April 2018, 09:33 AM
Good news. Enjoy.

Beachy
28th April 2018, 09:23 PM
Good news. Enjoy.
I have one I think it great carries a load well it does have increased gvm plenty of power no tracking problems and it does a lot of work on gravel the 3 inch system make a huge difference without doing the chip you wonít regret it

trout1105
1st May 2018, 06:17 PM
I made a decision today and have gone ahead with the deal.
The GPS/radio/reversing camera in the truck is a nice touch as it also has Aussie Explorer on it.
Definitely a bit of a culture shock getting out of my D2a and into the cruiser But I didn't buy it as a luxury tourer and it drives nicely enough.
The Missus going from a twin cab Hilux to this won't notice too much difference other than the larger turning circle and the extra power of the V8 so all is good [thumbsupbig]

rangieman
1st May 2018, 06:33 PM
I made a decision today and have gone ahead with the deal.
The GPS/radio/reversing camera in the truck is a nice touch as it also has Aussie Explorer on it.
Definitely a bit of a culture shock getting out of my D2a and into the cruiser But I didn't buy it as a luxury tourer and it drives nicely enough.
The Missus going from a twin cab Hilux to this won't notice too much difference other than the larger turning circle and the extra power of the V8 so all is good [thumbsupbig]
Well done and good luck on the darker side [thumbsupbig]
No matter what we will still talk to you[bigwhistle][wink11]

trout1105
1st May 2018, 07:08 PM
Well done and good luck on the darker side [thumbsupbig]
No matter what we will still talk to you[bigwhistle][wink11]

All is Good Mate as I have absolutely NO plans whatsoever to part with my D2a [biggrin]
We just needed to get something to be able to tow the 20 foot van AND carry all our spare fuel/water and the rest of the kit with ease, We would have Killed the poor little Hilux trying to do this.
I will be using my D2a to tow my 18 foot boat and the missus will use the yota to tow the van, So guess who gets the more comfortable ride [bigrolf]

justinc
1st May 2018, 08:22 PM
Congrats. Like chris said we welcome all here. Glad you kept the d2 but☺.

I nearly bought a lc100 turbo 6 a while back , a fantaatic engine and drivetrain i thought... then i drove 1 back to bacj with an L322... 😣.

Jc

Slunnie
1st May 2018, 08:30 PM
I made a decision today and have gone ahead with the deal.
The GPS/radio/reversing camera in the truck is a nice touch as it also has Aussie Explorer on it.
Definitely a bit of a culture shock getting out of my D2a and into the cruiser But I didn't buy it as a luxury tourer and it drives nicely enough.
The Missus going from a twin cab Hilux to this won't notice too much difference other than the larger turning circle and the extra power of the V8 so all is good [thumbsupbig]

I didn't read the thread, but congrats. I like them. To me they are like a vehicle that was designed in the 80's in everything it does and in everything it is. Probably last standing vehcle with a steel interior. :lol2:

But I do like the motor and Toyota Cruiser utes and Hiluxs are the most no fuss commercial vehicle ever, throw anything in it and it just gets on with the job.

rick130
2nd May 2018, 09:18 AM
I didn't read the thread, but congrats. I like them. To me they are like a vehicle that was designed in the 80's in everything it does and in everything it is. Probably last standing vehcle with a steel interior. [emoji38]2:

But I do like the motor and Toyota Cruiser utes and Hiluxs are the most no fuss commercial vehicle ever, throw anything in it and it just gets on with the job.

I have to say I have a grudging respect for the work Hilux, it cops a flogging and keeps going, even after the previous tech driving it didn't get a service for 30,000km!!
The 2.7VVTI seems indestructible, we have an in-house mechanic and he says they overall they are amazingly reliable.
Bare bones basic and bordering on not acceptable in a modern workplace, which is pretty rich for me coming from a Defender, but in a lot of ways the Deefer was dynamically better!!

scarry
2nd May 2018, 10:49 AM
I have to say I have a grudging respect for the work Hilux, it cops a flogging and keeps going, even after the previous tech driving it didn't get a service for 30,000km!!
The 2.7VVTI seems indestructible, we have an in-house mechanic and he says they overall they are amazingly reliable.
Bare bones basic and bordering on not acceptable in a modern workplace, which is pretty rich for me coming from a Defender, but in a lot of ways the Deefer was dynamically better!!

Same as our vans,all 2.7VVTI,on LPG,never had an issue,two have over 300000 Kís on them,never had a repair ever.The resale is also rediculous,both are going soon,and I will easily get half what I paid for them,9 yrs ago.
Havenít even touched the brakes,and they are loaded not far off GVM all day.

Batteries and tyres,are the only things that have been replaced,apart from service items,they are serviced regularly every 10K.

Better than any LR I have ever had,but not really in the same class.
These,like the hilux,are just a bare bones work vehicle,but do an excellent job.

I have been looking around to replace the D4,and there is nothing new LR have thatís suits my needs.

Driven a few other offerings,but surprisingly,the LC 76 would be my pick ATM.
Although SWMBO isnít too enthused,she wants to keep the D4.[bighmmm]

But I need something with some Bush ability I can use on the property,and use for remote area travel.

Arch
2nd May 2018, 10:52 AM
I have to say I have a grudging respect for the work Hilux, it cops a flogging and keeps going, even after the previous tech driving it didn't get a service for 30,000km!!
The 2.7VVTI seems indestructible, we have an in-house mechanic and he says they overall they are amazingly reliable.
Bare bones basic and bordering on not acceptable in a modern workplace, which is pretty rich for me coming from a Defender, but in a lot of ways the Deefer was dynamically better!!

Haha indeed... the 2.7 is in countless hiaces and hiluxs being flogged and poorly looked after across the country. I've seen near to 100,000km between services on a couple of examples. Its a genuinely robust engine.

trout1105
2nd May 2018, 11:48 AM
If I get as good a run out of this cruiser as I did the Hilux I will be over the moon, 200.000k's/10 years and all that got changed is tyres, brakes, a new battery and a new alternator.
As lightweight 4WD the old Hilux is pretty much unbeatable as far as reliability and value retention goes.

Slunnie
2nd May 2018, 06:18 PM
Driven a few other offerings,but surprisingly,the LC 76 would be my pick ATM.
Although SWMBO isnít too enthused,she wants to keep the D4.[bighmmm]

But I need something with some Bush ability I can use on the property,and use for remote area travel.

I was similar, looking for an updte on the D2 and the only real option for me was the 76, nothing else is really comparable. I went and had a look, got in and looked at the cab and what it had and thought this is bull****. Even the AC is "Quasi" climate control, whatever Quasi is, but its just a thermostat, its vynal, its got steel doors and everything else is just 1980. No way I was paying that money for that. But I am happy to drive them with work and I do think they're pretty good, but for me, the D2 was reassured it was staying.

rick130
2nd May 2018, 06:31 PM
I was similar, looking for an updte on the D2 and the only real option for me was the 76, nothing else is really comparable. I went and had a look, got in and looked at the cab and what it had and thought this is bull****. Even the AC is "Quasi" climate control, whatever Quasi is, but its just a thermostat, its vynal, its got steel doors and everything else is just 1980. No way I was paying that money for that. But I am happy to drive them with work and I do think they're pretty good, but for me, the D2 was reassured it was staying.

I still can't quite believe that for how old the D2 is now how freaking nice they are to drive.

rick130
2nd May 2018, 06:37 PM
Haha indeed... the 2.7 is in countless hiaces and hiluxs being flogged and poorly looked after across the country. I've seen near to 100,000km between services on a couple of examples. Its a genuinely robust engine.

Bloody hell, that's nuts!

Talking to our mech, he too said what Paul says, they just keep going. Our fleet has multiple examples with well over 300,000km, loaded to near GVM and flogged, mostly by youngish techs.

I was quite surprised at the speed my little example would happily cruise at on the way back from Emerald ten days ago with 6-700kg in the back.
Fuel economy was a little average though..... [bigwhistle]

trout1105
2nd May 2018, 06:45 PM
I still can't quite believe that for how old the D2 is now how freaking nice they are to drive.

My old D2a is still a much better and better appointed truck than many of the new offerings on the market today despite it's 14 year old vintage, NO way am I ever going to part with it.
I have purchased the 76 series ute to tow the 20 foot van simply because there is NO Landrover equivalent to it.
Yes a D2/3/4 will tow the van with ease But I need a ute to carry all the fuel, water and other kit as well as being able to tow the van.

scarry
2nd May 2018, 07:04 PM
A D3/4 is also a much more expensive vehicle to maintain,than a 70 series would ever be.Unless you get unlucky.
Then if you add depreciation into the equation,the 70 gets further ahead.

Although the 70 will use more fuel...

But a D2/3/4 is really not in the same class as any 70 series,even the 76 as others have said.

The 70 is a range of commercial vehicles.

The D2/3/4 are comfortable touring wagons,with great off road ability.

DeanoH
2nd May 2018, 08:23 PM
I still can't quite believe that for how old the D2 is now how freaking nice they are to drive.

I recently took my 2002 D2 V8 on a return trip to Mallacoota, an all highway cruising distance of approx. 900 Km and what an absolute pleasure it was to drive with its comfortable leather seats, replacement springs and new OE shocks all on Michelin Latitude Cross rubber. Much more comfortable than our 'old' cloth seat D2a TD5 for highway touring though not as economical. Surprisingly the petrol V8 returned 13.6 l/100 Km for the trip, lightly loaded and gently driven cruising at 100 Kmh. Still a very nice car to drive.

Deano :)

Slunnie
2nd May 2018, 10:39 PM
I still can't quite believe that for how old the D2 is now how freaking nice they are to drive.

I think so too! Change the stereo for a LCD screen multimedia nav system and a modern powerful engine and gearbox and I'd be over the moon.

Arch
3rd May 2018, 10:44 AM
But a D2/3/4 is really not in the same class as any 70 series,even the 76 as others have said.

The 70 is a range of commercial vehicles.



100% agree. They are harsh and noisy vehicles in comparison - but something you learn to live with.

Outback Jack
3rd May 2018, 12:26 PM
I have a 2014 79 series dual cab. it has been remapped, HD clutch, SS exhaust etc etc. $40k spent on it. It tows effortlessly. never had a single warranty issue. ARB bypass 51 suspension plus air bellows makes the whole thing so much better than standard. But its for sale. why, I hear you ask. it is hopeless in the city and we have just moved to adelaide from the country. We have bought a D4 and the disco is 100 times nicer to drive and live in whilst in Adelaide. might live to regret the decision when we go bush again but a $40k D4 opposed to a $110k 79 gives us a lot of spare cash to sort out any issues.
if you are after a reliable workhorse and dont live in a capital city then the 79 is the best thing out there. 35inch tyres make them nicer on the road.
and they do look cool when dressed up.

Outback Jack
3rd May 2018, 12:46 PM
One great thing about the 79s is that when in 4wd rough territory the fuel usuage hardly goes up at all as the motor just keeps on keeping on. all of the other 4wds who brag about their fuel useage on the highway lose their grin once they start using 1/2 as much again on top of the 4.5l donk. mine is remapped as previously mentioned and it has over 600nm of torque that is available very low in virtually every gear and the exhaust note is a sexual thing. you wont regret your purchase -until you need to try a u-turn in traffic.
Oh, forgot, the air cond is crap from new but apart from that they are rock solid vehicles

Arch
3rd May 2018, 01:16 PM
Bloody hell, that's nuts!

Talking to our mech, he too said what Paul says, they just keep going. Our fleet has multiple examples with well over 300,000km, loaded to near GVM and flogged, mostly by youngish techs.

I was quite surprised at the speed my little example would happily cruise at on the way back from Emerald ten days ago with 6-700kg in the back.
Fuel economy was a little average though..... [bigwhistle]

That is only what I have seen in person. The are probably transit vans out there with the puma engine that have received similar amounts of love.

scarry
3rd May 2018, 01:26 PM
The AC in them is now factory fitted,dunno if that is better or worse?It was previously fitted in Aus.

I agree 100% with Slunnie and Rick,the D2 is a great vehicle,and would be fantastic with something like a TDV6 and 6 speed auto out of a D3/4.

The D2a I had was one of the best LRís we ever had.

In fact,after getting the D4,it took quite a while before we stopped saying,I wish we had kept the D2.[biggrin]

The D2 also packs well,all the camping gear was easy to fit in,due to the shape and height of the cargo area,much better,in my opinion to the D4,particularly with a cargo barrier fitted.

trout1105
24th June 2018, 06:43 AM
Yesterday i took the 79 series out for my first off road run in it on some breakaway country in the back paddock.
Lots of hills and washouts to play in there and the truck handled everything i threw at it with complete ease, The aircon was icy cold and that exhaust note could easilly bring out the inner hoon in me.
No where near as comfortable as my D2a V8 over the same tracks But the 79 has WAY more torque even loaded up with 500kg+ of kit for our trip on the back of it.
Definitely fit for purpose to tow a 2.5T van AND carry all the "Goodies" needed for an extended trip away, 30K well spent I think [thumbsupbig]

Saitch
24th June 2018, 10:51 AM
Yesterday i took the 79 series out for my first off road run in it on some breakaway country in the back paddock.
Lots of hills and washouts to play in there and the truck handled everything i threw at it with complete ease, The aircon was icy cold and that exhaust note could easilly bring out the inner hoon in me.
No where near as comfortable as my D2a V8 over the same tracks But the 79 has WAY more torque even loaded up with 500kg+ of kit for our trip on the back of it.
Definitely fit for purpose to tow a 2.5T van AND carry all the "Goodies" needed for an extended trip away, 30K well spent I think [thumbsupbig]

Which is why we use this when we need to take extra "Stuff" like lots of firewood, porta potty et cetera, particularly in winter. D1 comfort and driveability vs 75 Series cargo space. Horses for courses.

scarry
24th June 2018, 02:55 PM
Last time i dropped one of the vans off for a service i noticed there was a new GXL 76 wagon in the yard.

Had a look and took it for a run,the low down torque was amazing.It actually wasn't that noisy at 100km/hr either.Whistle from the snorkel was annoying though.A tuned one would pull even better.
Actually i recon it was less noisey than the Defender...now i need to hide under a rock[biggrin]

But a rougher ride,partly due to the shorter wheelbase,and the rear leaf springs didn't help either.

Great view out over the bonnet as well,unlike LC 200 or Y62.Even the D5 is sort of hard to see the front corners over the bonnet.

Thinking,i could live with one of those,but it would need a few mods.

And the price of them is ridiculous,but resale is fantastic.

rick130
24th June 2018, 03:40 PM
Last time i dropped one of the vans off for a service i noticed there was a new GXL 76 wagon in the yard.

Had a look and took it for a run,the low down torque was amazing.It actually wasn't that noisy at 100km/hr either.Whistle from the snorkel was annoying though.A tuned one would pull even better.
Actually i recon it was less noisey than the Defender...now i need to hide under a rock[biggrin]

But a rougher ride,partly due to the shorter wheelbase,and the rear leaf springs didn't help either.

Great view out over the bonnet as well,unlike LC 200 or Y62.Even the D5 is sort of hard to see the front corners over the bonnet.

Thinking,i could live with one of those,but it would need a few mods.

And the price of them is ridiculous,but resale is fantastic.

If they had a decent coil rear end they'd be a really good bit of gear, but following them I can't believe how massive the spring pack is and how much it reduces clearance.
I know there's a coil conversion available but the geometry looks ordinary as it uses the leaf pickup points.

The narrower rear track is a non issue IMO.

scarry
24th June 2018, 04:36 PM
An auto would be nice,and as you said an OEM rear coil set up.

There are rumours an auto is on the way,but who knows.

I know someone who has a rear coil setup in one,he is actually a pom and always had old RR.

He recons it rides as good as his last classic,with 100 times the reliability.....

Services every 10K are also a PITA.

justinc
24th June 2018, 06:06 PM
Plenty of auto conversions available through Wholesale Automatic transmissions in Melbourne. They are going gangbusters

scarry
24th June 2018, 06:31 PM
Plenty of auto conversions available through Wholesale Automatic transmissions in Melbourne. They are going gangbusters

Correct,but by the time you add that and the other mods it needs,well, i could have bought a RR Sport[bigsad][biggrin]

Oh well,you only live once[biggrin]

trout1105
24th June 2018, 06:40 PM
Services every 10K are also a PITA.

I do that with my D2a V8 and often before 10K, With ANY diesel I will do an oil and filter change every 5K if it has worked hard and 10K Max.
A bit of oil and a filter with a hour of work at best thrown in isn't too much to ask to maintain the reliability of an engine [thumbsupbig]
This "Extended" service intervals "Spruiked" for the newer vehicles are BS as far as I am concerned and are simply a sales pitch without ANY concern for the vehicle AFTER the warranty expires on them.

cripesamighty
25th June 2018, 03:38 PM
" I agree 100% with Slunnie and Rick,the D2 is a great vehicle,and would be fantastic with something like a TDV6 and 6 speed auto out of a D3/4."

Paul, if you haven't seen this before, the link below might be of interest.....[biggrin]

https://www.bodylogicuk.com/index.php/11/327141/