Upgrading 110 Front Springs

[weeds]

Current fronts are sagged....and shocks stuffed

Bump-stops
Front Right 53mm
Front Left 52mm

Ordered a set of 130 front springs, got me buggered why they have a longer on for the driver side

Free Length
Right 391
Left 381

[ProjectDirector]

Current fronts are sagged....and shocks stuffed

Bump-stops
Front Right 53mm
Front Left 52mm

Ordered a set of 130 front springs, got me buggered why they have a longer on for the driver side

Free Length
Right 391
Left 381

Yeap, supposedly to account for constant weight of driver.
Mine are HD from 130, colour coded
Left:Yellow/White
Right: Blue/Red

My 110 now sits level and don't think is right, I don't think the weight of warn winch+synthetic rope and winch bar were heavy enough for these type of springs.
I had them on for 2 1/2 years and thought they will sag a bit, nope.
Major service at Les Richmond mid June so will ask his opinion.

[DiscoMick]

I've been debating if having an ARB bar and Iron-man winch means HD from springs would be a good idea. Still undecided. What do you think?

[weeds]

I've been debating if having an ARB bar and Iron-man winch means HD from springs would be a good idea. Still undecided. What do you think?

Dunno, will know in a few hours......currently buying bolts

[ProjectDirector]

Just got out and measured mine, bump stop to axle.

Front : 95mm
Rear : 105mm

What your thoughts on these heights?

[Vern]

Just got out and measured mine, bump stop to axle.

Front : 95mm
Rear : 105mm

What your thoughts on these heights?Should be a bigger difference than 10mm.

Best way to measure height is between the spring perches. Far more accurate.

A stock 110/130 is 250-260mm front and 320-330mm rear. (90/rrc/d1 is 300mm rear)

[Tombie]

Should be a bigger difference than 10mm.

Best way to measure height is between the spring perches. Far more accurate.

A stock 110/130 is 250-260mm front and 320-330mm rear. (90/rrc/d1 is 300mm rear)

May I ask how you arrive at the statement “between the spring perches is far more accurate”?

As long as the bump stop isn’t damaged it should be no less accurate. Between spring mounts is definitely good for weight calculation (compressed length) vs open length...

[jon3950]

Just got out and measured mine, bump stop to axle.

Front : 95mm
Rear : 105mm

What your thoughts on these heights?

Front sounds a little high and rear a little low. For the 110 I have standard figures of 72 front and 130 rear unladen. These numbers are +/- 15mm.

As a comparison, when mine was delivered it was 60/70 front and 115/125 rear (driver/passenger).

Now with bar and winch on the front and drawers in the rear it’s at 50/50 front and 100/110 rear.

Mine’s a bit low now and I’m considering what to do. I’d like to raise it about 1” all round, but don’t want to go any stiffer.

Cheers,
Jon

[weeds]

Job done.....order shocks next week now that I have open/closed measurements.

Old suspension
Bumpstops
Front R 53mm
Front L 52mm

Free length
R 368
L 367

New suspension
Free length
R 391
L 381

Shock mount to mount open Sway bar disconnected and no wheel
R 625
L 645 Spring dislocated
With wheel
R 635
L 665 spring dislocated

Shock mount closed diff touching bump-stop (assuming springs don’t bind)
R 409
L 411

Bumpstop
R 98
L 90

Spring perch to spring perch
R 508
L 501

Yeah there is a +/- a mm or two but it’ll do me.

Hopefully data is useful to others.

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[Vern]

May I ask how you arrive at the statement “between the spring perches is far more accurate”?

As long as the bump stop isn’t damaged it should be no less accurate. Between spring mounts is definitely good for weight calculation (compressed length) vs open length...I should have said between models. Also I have 3 different stock bumpstops that all measure different height. plus what if you run extended bumps, worn out bumps, where you measure on the bumps etc...

[weeds]

Just went for a hoon......expecting the fronts to be maybe too stiff.

I don’t slow for the traffic calming speed bumps in the streets to my house....hit them at the normal 50km/hr and no difference in the fronts, the rear doesn’t bottom out because I can now run more air with the lift at the front. Off to find my airbag instructions to confirm correct ride height, I should be pretty close now.

[weeds]

Just need basic tools.....roughest part was getting the top but off the shock, totally stupid arrangement.

2 wheel chicks
1 1/4” drive socket set
Trusty Nissan jack, at least it didn’t have a sleep today
Hi-lift jack - always alert
O/E Spanners 8,13,16,17,19,22,24
2 flat screw drivers
2 1/2” Ratchet
2 12” extensions
Small hammer
Stubby Phillips head
Stanley knife
13 ratchet ring
Multi grips
Vernier
Pinch bar
Jacking plate
Cordless driver
1/2” drive sockets 13,16,29,22,24
INOX


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[ProjectDirector]

Front sounds a little high and rear a little low. For the 110 I have standard figures of 72 front and 130 rear unladen. These numbers are +/- 15mm.

As a comparison, when mine was delivered it was 60/70 front and 115/125 rear (driver/passenger).

Now with bar and winch on the front and drawers in the rear it’s at 50/50 front and 100/110 rear.

Mine’s a bit low now and I’m considering what to do. I’d like to raise it about 1” all round, but don’t want to go any stiffer.

Cheers,
Jon

Mine currently has about 150kg at the back but I know the front looks a bit high.

Btw the rear are original and front are 130 springs.
Like I said I will get it checked out at Les Richmond in June.

[weeds]

Woohoo....rear bags are now within recommended operating height.....

Car level front to rear and left to right bags are sitting at 250mm...47psi in the left bag and 42psi in the right bag

Recommended height is ~240mm - ~280mm

[weeds]

Only thing i needed to purchase was

1 x M14x35 and
4 x M14 HT Washers

And had to use the die grinder to elongate one slot on one lower bracket by 3mm

[Sly]

Where's the wheel Chicks 🐥, is that like grid girls but for defenders !!!

[Tombie]

Just need basic tools.....roughest part was getting the top but off the shock, totally stupid arrangement.

2 wheel chicks
1 1/4” drive socket set
Trusty Nissan jack, at least it didn’t have a sleep today
Hi-lift jack - always alert
O/E Spanners 8,13,16,17,19,22,24
2 flat screw drivers
2 1/2” Ratchet
2 12” extensions
Small hammer
Stubby Phillips head
Stanley knife
13 ratchet ring
Multi grips
Vernier
Pinch bar
Jacking plate
Cordless driver
1/2” drive sockets 13,16,29,22,24
INOX


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/05/178.jpg

As long as it didn’t take longer than 90 min to do all 4 [emoji41]

[weeds]

As long as it didn’t take longer than 90 min to do all 4 [emoji41]

A tad longer.......and that was just the front. 5hr,

that included driving to buy a bolt, two drives to the carpark at bottom of hill pre/post measurement, removing the top nut on shocks (had to re-use), drop sway bar, remove inter cooler pipework, modify one bracket pack up clean up......an a bit to eat.

Going forward if I ever have an issue it’ll be was quicker.

[Tombie]

Just having a stir.. first time undoing old nuts and bolts can be a nightmare.

[tc_s1]

Just went through this on the 110 (referenced here Coil Springs and Shocks (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/the-isuzu-landy-enthusiasts-section/254497-coil-springs-shocks.html) - Coil Springs and Shocks) and had 304mm on the front unloaded. Am wondering now reading through this whether I should be concerned with my setup?

[weeds]

Just went through this on the 110 (referenced here Coil Springs and Shocks (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/the-isuzu-landy-enthusiasts-section/254497-coil-springs-shocks.html) - Coil Springs and Shocks) and had 304mm on the front unloaded. Am wondering now reading through this whether I should be concerned with my setup?

What’s does the 304 reference to?

Oh it appears I have a typo on my spring perch to spring perch

[tc_s1]

What’s does the 304 reference to?

Oh it appears I have a typo on my spring perch to spring perch304mm tip ro bottom connector on my new front springs.

[weeds]

Taking worst case.....shocks open/closed although sway bar is back on so I won’t be any near these measurements.

645mm Open
409mm Closed

Edit...didn’t realise shocks are measure from base of pin to base of pin

[weeds]

had the opportunity to drive the defer for around 100km yesterday......damn hard to get it off the wife.

the 110HD (130) fronts do feel a stiffer although still running old shocks but the thud has disappeared, maybe that's from the shocks operating in a different range

wife says the car feels better and nicer to drive, although has to lift the bum a little higher to get in

once new shocks are in I'm thinking off dropping the front sway bar to see how it behaves.....

will have it offroad in two weekend time......

[weeds]

Whoops, didn’t realise the shocks are measured from base of pin to base of pin.

[86mud]

Hey Weeds, why did you not do the air bags up front?

[weeds]

Hey Weeds, why did you not do the air bags up front?

My mind changes every week......have had the springs for quite some time.

Have other priorities for my hard earnt cash and given I will buy the off shelf solution from airbag man it’s a bigger investment. Relocating the shocks is one step closer.

[weeds]

Took the fender for a good run over the weekend......got to drive on some dirt roads with bridges , bumps and woo boys.

Defiantly happy with the 130 springs....yep the old ones were shot. Think I’ve made the right choice this time around. Still running the old shocks so wondering if I’ll notice any further improvement when the new arrive.

I can now make a comparison against my previous defer which had heavy duty King Springs and Billies fitted I am so glad I didn’t go down this path again......well springs that is, I’m sure the shocks were good, spring were just too stiff.

[DiscoMick]

Do you happen to know the rating of the new springs and how that compares to the Kings and the originals?
Just curious myself.

[weeds]

Do you happen to know the rating of the new springs and how that compares to the Kings and the originals?
Just curious myself.

Have no idea on rates......

The new, what ever 130 fronts are rated at.

The Kings, was talked into there heavy duty ones as I had PTO winch and bonnet mounted spare.

The ones I pulled out....whatever OEM ratting is.

[DiscoMick]

I seem to remember seeing something in a Britpart ad about standards being 180 lb/ft and HDs 220 lb/ft, but I'm not sure what that means and it could be wrong anyway.

[MLD]

HDs 220 lb/ft,

close: 130 springs are 225 lbs/in (not ft) progressive

[weeds]

close: 130 springs are 225 lbs/in (not ft) progressive

Yep research an old thread of mine this morning and Rick130 says 225 for 110HD (130 standard fronts)

King’s KRFR 225 lbs/in
Kings KRFR 03HD ???/?? These are what I had fitted to previous defer
Kings KLRR 05 470 lbs/in not sure if these are fronts for rears.

[DiscoMick]

Yep, you're right, my memory was wrong: Standard height fronts are 225 lbs/in and rears 330.
Britpart Mobile (https://m.britpart.com/parts/suspension-and-axle/springs/coil-springs/britpart-performance-standard/defender/da4277/)

[weeds]

Picked up the shock to finish off the front end....

Now historically I’ve never been about to tell how the shock were performing, previously used OEM, Billies, and terriferma.

Going to fit some superior engineering remotes.....they have been re-valved by APT Fabrication

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[DiscoMick]

I think from memory Nugget has also fitted Superiors to his 130. Be interested to see how they go.

[DiscoMick]

I think from memory Nugget has also fitted Superiors to his 130. Be interested to see how they go.Can I ask about their cost?

[weeds]

Can I ask about their cost?

I haven’t got my invoice near by, $350ea give or take

[weeds]

I fitted the shocks up tonight.....

Apparently you can man handle them with out bound shock towers/mounts i.e. shock inform of springs.

I cannot imagine getting them in in the conventional way.....

I decided to drop the sway bar, hi-lift jack the car up til Wheel was well off the ground (should have removed wheel), than jacked the diff down until the flex brake line where at max. drop......by this stage the spring had fallen out.

Shock in than reversed the procedure.

Mounting the adjustable remotes, there isn’t any real room in the engine bay, Ben @ APT clamps the remotes to the shock and hasn’t had an issue. I’ve done the same using cable ties until I pick up longer hose clamps tomorrow.

Pretty sure nugget used the mounting bracket, I’ve asked him on his 130 thread and will consider his method.

Did a few runs over the traffic calming speed bumps in a near by street......at this stage I’ll leave them on setting #1 or #2

The plan was to fit the same shock to the rear....that way I only need to carry one spare.

I’m doing a lot of back road black top driving over the weekend I assume they’ll work just fine.

[Vern]

I mounted mine inside the bullbar on the brackets that are for what i assume a bash plate, rears are mounted to the underside of the floor.
Had mine for a couple of years now, have since re valved them as there wasn't enough rebound.
Easy to rebuild and seem like quite good quality too

[weeds]

I mounted mine inside the bullbar on the brackets that are for what i assume a bash plate, rears are mounted to the underside of the floor.
Had mine for a couple of years now, have since re valved them as there wasn't enough rebound.
Easy to rebuild and seem like quite good quality too

I will check and see if the reach my front bar....although I don’t think there will be an easy way to mount to my tube bar.

[Vern]

Only pics i could findhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/8c77f7777ae34a7504d75ecc88a34077.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/dabb09baf05d46d165c12e83bc29f0b9.jpg

[weeds]

Thanks Vern