D5 Winch

[Shoogs]

Can be done it seems...

Expedition Portal Classifieds: Matzker Discovery – Expedition Portal (https://expeditionportal.com/expedition-portal-classifieds-matzker-discovery/)

[Lee Jackson]

it has been done. One of the test cars had it embedded into the front of the car. I have seen pics of OS cars that had it done for a work vehicle. So its only a matter of time

[Shoogs]

True but nice to see they are being developed for sale.

[MikeUSA]

Lucky8llc in the USA will have a hidden winch mount out soon. We were hoping to see how everyone is wiring those up.

[divemedic]

Can be done it seems...

Expedition Portal Classifieds: Matzker Discovery – Expedition Portal (https://expeditionportal.com/expedition-portal-classifieds-matzker-discovery/)


Hi all. as I intend to use my new D5 (February next year delivery) off road I have been looking in to winch mounts. I have just received this email from Lucky8 llc in the States:-

HelloWe have them in hand and they are $580. We have not had time to do any install instructions. Please let me know if you would like a shipping quote.



That is about $820. I've emailed them back with a bunch of questions and asked for a shipping quote. This looks very hopeful.

If it meets all of my answers, I will go ahead and purchase one. My daughter-in-law's dad owns a REPCO service centre and we'll fit it there.

Cheers guys!

[tony_s]

Hi divemedic
did you buy the winch mount? Any photos?
Tony

[outasight]

They sell it from the designer/suppliers of that vehicle in Germany

Integrierte Seilwinde 3.600 kg – Discovery 5 (https://www.matzker.de/Technik-Zubehoer/fuer-Discovery/Expeditionsausruestung/Integrierte-Seilwinde-3-600-kg-Discovery-5::5974.html)

[IndusD4]

Interestingly, the D5 workshop manual (in the general section, installation of accessories) has installation instructions for a winch and tray with LR part numbers.

146903

I wonder why they don't sell this.

Ron

[SBD4]

Interestingly, the D5 workshop manual (in the general section, installation of accessories) has installation instructions for a winch and tray with LR part numbers.

146903

I wonder why they don't sell this.

Ron

Is it for the front or the back? The D5 SVX has a winch on the rear. It doesn't seem to have one on the front.

They are probably "saving it for later".

[IndusD4]

Is it for the front or the back?

For the front.

Ron

[SBD4]

For the front.

Ron
That's good news, it means they are designing the cars with that capability in mind. Unless...there were issues with it and that being why LR haven't released the parts for sale. Who knows?

[Shoogs]

Mandatory on Police vehicles...

The Discovery 5’s of the German Federal Police – Expedition Portal (https://expeditionportal.com/the-discovery-5s-of-the-german-federal-police/)

[loanrangie]

And if a winch can be mounted then surely a bar can too - full replacement type.

[4bee]

And if a winch can be mounted then surely a bar can too

You want a fridge with that?[smilebigeye]

[divemedic]

Hi divemedic
did you buy the winch mount? Any photos?
Tony
Hi Tony

Sorry for late reply. We’ve been travelling.

The short answer is not yet. Lucky 8 have been great, lots of communication. There may be an issue as some NAS spec’d D5’s have a condenser of some sort where the winch goes and their mount can’t be used - 'the V8 petrol spec. They have done a diesel or two and no problems. They obviously haven’t done a 2019 build either. I have to wait until my D5 is delivered and send them a photo from underneath. They will confirm whether it can be used. If so, it will cost about $1100-$1200 landed - plus GST I suppose. The mount plate is all predrilled, galvanised and powder coated with all new fitting hardware. It’s a simple fit - remove front bar, remove bolts, bolt plate on, wire up and replace bumper.

I have sent them the spec’s of the Adventure Kings Dominator and they have confirmed that it will fit as well. They connect their winch, a Warn Zeno, directly to the under-bonnet terminals. There’s no issues with the CAN bus.

If if all goes well, I’ll have a hidden winch for under $2k

Cheers, Rob

[tony_s]

Thanks Rob. Almost too good to be true!
Tony

[RobA]

Great work please keep us all up to date as I am holding off on replacing the D4 until I am confident our next 4WD can have a winch fitted. I suspect the Oz market size is of no interest to the after market folk but maybe that will change as more D5 are about and being used for outback travel.

We need to be self recoverable with the Q+ on the back so 12,500lb is what we need.

Time is on my side fortunately but I am not holding out much hope that the new defer will actually be available with any recovery kit ATM but once again we don't really know until they are on the market and given the USA is such a target market I am hoping a winch/snorkel etc will be factory options

Rob

[tony_s]

I don’t think you need a snorkel with the D5 Roba, given the intake system and 900 fording capability. But the winch would be handy.
Tony

[RobA]

Tony thanks yes well aware of the updated fording depth. We don't use one on the D4 either for that reason. Albeit always try and keep away from deep water and mud. The latter shreds disc brake items and the former well I just use a bonnet bra if required and after doing some deepish stuff in the Kimberly a couple of years back the D4 did it easy. But I never get complacent when it comes to the risks. Classic example is getting belly bogged with the Q+ on the back in the biggest bull-dust quarry I have ever seen on our way out of Chambers Pillar last year. The winch was working very hard with a 2500kg camper and 2500kg car hooked up together but we only needed 3m of distance to get out of trouble. The kick in that is there wasn't a tree within 300m so we used an LC200 to winch off.

Life gets like that when you travel off bitumen

Rob

[Stux]

Even if there was a solution for a discrete winch mount available, what are the legalities of it?

[RobA]

So what makes a winch on a bar different from a hidden winch behind an ADR compliant OE bumper? Both will have around the same reaction to crush tube activation of the frontal protection system?

Rob

[trout1105]

Is there a Winch/Bullbar available for a D5 yet? or are you blokes just hypothesising?

[andhad]

I have one and am trying to sort out engineering approval to make it legal before I fit it.

[Mac_and_Cheese]

Was trawling through the google search results about D5 winch mounts after reading the article about the Germon Police D5s and found this:

Wildbear Discovery 5 discreet winch mount LS7834 | eBay (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wildbear-Discovery-5-discreet-winch-mount-LS7834-/163402198511)

Interestingly though, I cant find any reference to it on the actual Wildbear 4x4 website

[andhad]

My cradle is from WildBear, imported through Rovacraft, both have been excellent. It comes as a kit with a second battery tray to bring the power source forward. Lucky8 in the USA do their own winch cradle, and take the power directly from the jumper points under the bonnet.
My hurdle now is that there is no ADR or EU certification so I am trying to work my way through the process to get it engineer approved. The construction is very solid and I should be able to get the welding and powder coating data, but ADR 69 that deals with frontal impact is the other aspect that needs to be addressed.

I have found a friendly engineer at the Gold Coast but I am in Brisbane so going backwards and forwards with the front off is going to be difficult.

[andhad]

Interestingly, the D5 workshop manual (in the general section, installation of accessories) has installation instructions for a winch and tray with LR part numbers.

146903

I wonder why they don't sell this.

Ron

Hi Ron, since I’m chasing engineering info, if Land Rover have designed the chassis to take a winch tray, I would love any other pictures or install info.

The other alternative is letting me know how to access a workshop manual.

Thanks

Andrew

[IndusD4]

The workshop manual is available on Topix but you need a subscription to access it.

Ron

[Mac_and_Cheese]

My cradle is from WildBear, imported through Rovacraft, both have been excellent. It comes as a kit with a second battery tray to bring the power source forward. Lucky8 in the USA do their own winch cradle, and take the power directly from the jumper points under the bonnet.
My hurdle now is that there is no ADR or EU certification so I am trying to work my way through the process to get it engineer approved. The construction is very solid and I should be able to get the welding and powder coating data, but ADR 69 that deals with frontal impact is the other aspect that needs to be addressed.

I have found a friendly engineer at the Gold Coast but I am in Brisbane so going backwards and forwards with the front off is going to be difficult.

Do you mind if I ask what the cost delivered was?

[andhad]

$850 for both the winch and battery trays together.

[doddsy]

I am also curious of the legalities.

I thought as long as it didn't protrude from the front of the vehicle, it was ok ?

Sketchy ground otherwise, is a second battery compliant ? Engine bay compressor ?

As long as you don't compromise the airbag sensors when fitting.

I am only surmising? Nobody gets a cert for a winch fit in a bar.

Will follow...

[andhad]

Interestingly, the D5 workshop manual (in the general section, installation of accessories) has installation instructions for a winch and tray with LR part numbers.

146903

I wonder why they don't sell this.

Ron

Hi Ron I just paid for a subscription for TOPix and this did not come up. Did you by chance get this through a subscription for the UK info rather than the Australian one?

[IndusD4]

Hi Andrew, sent you a PM.

[andhad]

So I talked with another Engineer who specialises in car modifications and he jumped right in by saying there are not any ADR’s that apply to them. On his advice I approached my insurer and explained the situation and was told that it is fine to install as long as it is listed as an accessory, which seemed more about value than safety or legality concerns.

My car is in having the tailgate repaired under warranty so I will do the install as soon as I get it back.

[19D5]

My cradle is from WildBear, imported through Rovacraft, both have been excellent. It comes as a kit with a second battery tray to bring the power source forward. Lucky8 in the USA do their own winch cradle, and take the power directly from the jumper points under the bonnet.
My hurdle now is that there is no ADR or EU certification so I am trying to work my way through the process to get it engineer approved. The construction is very solid and I should be able to get the welding and powder coating data, but ADR 69 that deals with frontal impact is the other aspect that needs to be addressed.

I have found a friendly engineer at the Gold Coast but I am in Brisbane so going backwards and forwards with the front off is going to be difficult.

Hi Andrew,

looking to install the Wildbear winch cradle with a Warn Platinum 10 S;

1. Which winch did you install?
2. Which engine do you have in your D5?
3. Did the engineer have to modify the cradle for it to fit?

The SD6 225kw has two air boxes, no room for the dual battery under the hood so the electrician will need to run off the jumpstart pole or a new cable to the dual battery in the rear.

Any pics of the install would be appreciated. Thank you

[andhad]

I installed the Carbon 12K winch, in a 2017 TD6, which bolted straight into the cradle. I did it all myself. I connected the power to the factory recommended point in the rear of the front right wheel well