tank of petrol for the Puma.

[fatnold]

sooo, without pointing fingers around my house, my 2015 110 (with only 5000k's on the clock) Has been filled with 65L of ULP and driven 200m. It was turned off as soon as it started to cough. Had it towed to a dealer who wants to change injectors and high pressure fuel pump. (as well as a complete flush and new fuel filter of course) Their price -$13 762! ($1420 for flush and filter) They have conducted no testing/ diagnostics and are following the Landrover Technical Bulletin. What is the wisdom? New injectors and high pressure pump MUST be replaced or 'they should be right mate'? Will it be drive-able after a flush regardless? (so i can get the work done elsewhere given a set of injectors is around $1600 and a pump about $800).
Your wisdom will be appreciated.
ps. i have bought 4 Landrovers from this dealer over the years and I hate them with a passion. ........nice to get that off my chest.

[Tombie]

You’re not completely up the proverbial. [emoji30]

Some go for a while, most that went hard don’t and fail soon. Being such a short run and immediate shut down - I’d suggest the following:

You can always try your luck, drain, fill, go.
At worst it’s a tank of diesel.

[LRJim]

Just a thought maybe get the flush done by a specialist 1st? Similar to one of those guys that come to the servo. If there is no petrol in ANY of the system it shouldn't do any damage when you fire it up, then look at changing the injectors If the problem persists you should be able to get the refurbished if they only have done 5xxxkms

Good luck hopfully the flush/filter will be enough

[87County]

not clear on your location, but there are diesel experts around that could be far more rea$onable

Are you trying to protect a relatively new-car warranty?

[DazzaTD5]

sooo, without pointing fingers around my house, my 2015 110 (with only 5000k's on the clock) Has been filled with 65L of ULP and driven 200m. It was turned off as soon as it started to cough. Had it towed to a dealer who wants to change injectors and high pressure fuel pump. (as well as a complete flush and new fuel filter of course) Their price -$13 762! ($1420 for flush and filter) They have conducted no testing/ diagnostics and are following the Landrover Technical Bulletin. What is the wisdom? New injectors and high pressure pump MUST be replaced or 'they should be right mate'? Will it be drive-able after a flush regardless? (so i can get the work done elsewhere given a set of injectors is around $1600 and a pump about $800).
Your wisdom will be appreciated.
ps. i have bought 4 Landrovers from this dealer over the years and I hate them with a passion. ........nice to get that off my chest.

You mention at the end how you hate the dealer, yet you keep going back??????? When will people learn? or do they sell the vehicle vowing never to buy another land Rover again, simply due to mechanical incompetence.. For goodness sake take it to an actual qualified mechanic and not a group of "approved bluh bluh bluh"

ANY half decent diesel mechanic should advise you on the issues with running petrol through the system (and it can be potentially fatal to the diesel fuel system), all the while flushing the petrol out and priming with diesel. I have done dozens of diesels that have had petrol through the system, the odd one drops an injector or lift pump a few kms down the track, but surprisingly most have survived to do many many more km's.

Its a land Rover Defender... you need a real mechanic (that would make a good sig) [tonguewink][tonguewink]

P.S the injectors in the ford engine cant be refurbed

[trout1105]

I have had 2x Hilux diesels go through the same dramavand after draining the tank thel filling up with clean diesel they went on for another couple of hundred thousand K's.
Just drain the tank then refill and give it a whirl[thumbsupbig]

[Wallaby Ted]

If you do need to pay it cost me around $3k for parts and labour done at an independant, that was about $1800 for injectors (x4) and pump which i supplied and $1200 for labour with other bits and pieces that were required.

I did flush the tank and lines before replacing and took it the Fraser island for a week but it started having problems again so it was off to the mechanics to be repaired. I suspect that I may have had a failing injector and pump already as the pump wouldn't run the learn off the tool I had or the mechanics ones, so they all got replaced at the same time.

Richard

[LRJim]

P.S the injectors in the ford engine cant be refurbed

I don't own one but good to know thanks for sharing!

[DazzaTD5]

I don't own one but good to know thanks for sharing!

Well I'm not a sharing huggy person [tonguewink] ... the relevance of what I said is with regards to 2007 onwards Defender models that are a Ford engine. Another thing to note, is Land Rover didnt do some big engineering on it, Ford call it a severe service engine (or something of that description).

[LRJim]

Well I'm not a sharing huggy person [tonguewink] ... the relevance of what I said is with regards to 2007 onwards Defender models that are a Ford engine. Another thing to note, is Land Rover didnt do some big engineering on it, Ford call it a severe service engine (or something of that description).Hahaha sharing is caring!
I figured it was for the non LR motors. It's the transit engine isn't it?

[Zeros]

Well I'm not a sharing huggy person [tonguewink]

Real men share, hugging is optional 😎. ...the amount you generously share here Daz is fantastic. Thank you.

[fatnold]

not clear on your location, but there are diesel experts around that could be far more rea$onable

Are you trying to protect a relatively new-car warranty?

was towed by LR assist so must be taken to a LR dealer. Only 2 months of warranty left. I bought it recently so i'd have as close to new everything as possible. Thinking of reliability for a long term project.

[donh54]

was towed by LR assist so must be taken to a LR dealer. Only 2 months of warranty left. I bought it recently so i'd have as close to new everything as possible. Thinking of reliability for a long term project.It's been taken to a dealership, so you've fulfilled your side of the bargain. Now find an indie, and get it towed there. The dealer is seeing you as nothing more than a cash cow!
Run! Run Now!!!

[goingbush]

Just Drain it & replace filter & fill with diesel , turn the key to purge the system but don't start it . turn off & turn on again for a minute , repeat 5 times.

Any petrol will be flushed into the tank through the return line where it will cause no harm, as it will be so diluted .

Start it let it run a bit & your good to go.

Have done same on a Ford Ranger - same engine & I drove it a lot further than 200m , I knew what the problem was but kept going as far as I could before finding a safe place to pull over.

[goingbush]

https://youtu.be/GL9-i9tcESU

[Tombie]

Funny video, not so relevant to Common Rails (as per comment at 5:00 or so).

[Zeros]

It's been taken to a dealership, so you've fulfilled your side of the bargain. Now find an indie, and get it towed there. The dealer is seeing you as nothing more than a cash cow!
Run! Run Now!!!

Agreed! Take your vehicle back now! Before they start any work. Their quote is outrageous!

[djam1]

There is an article on YouTube from Andrew at Berrimah diesel evidently a lot of the CRD engines survive this

[DeeJay]

Does insurance cover this??

[scarry]

Does insurance cover this??

Interesting point,some do,many don't.

i have just changed insurance companies,the one i now use covers miss fueling and fuel contamination damage to the vehicle.

It cost about $200 more than the last place,with windscreen replacement,so i was happy with that.

[Bigbjorn]

A friend of wife is a social worker at a govt. dept. She was out on calls in a govt. car and filled it up at a Coles Shell who had the govt. contract at the time. Govt. fuel card was rejected as it only allowed purchase of diesel. Is that a diesel or petrol car says the console operator. Huh, says Mary, how do I tell? Well the label on the filler cap "Diesel Fuel Only" should have been an indicator. She had never before had a diesel car. You took the car to Coles and filled it up with petrol. Car got pushed off to the side away from the pumps and Mary 'phoned her boss. Boss 'phoned fleet controller who 'phoned Mary and told her to buy 5 litres of cheap engine oil and pour it in the tank. Nothing else done and car continued in service. Unwelcome comments about "*(+%# social workers, dumb as dog ****".

[fatnold]

insurance!

[Tombie]

insurance!

Most don’t cover it.

[fatnold]

Most don’t cover it.

QBE do it seems. Assed and approved.

[private]

Late to the thread I know but FWIW I have a puma-engined Defender I believe this happened to.

I can't be sure what happened in the interim because I bought it after the event (and without the knowledge of what went on before), but the end result manifested itself in backfiring and refusal to start, and the forensics I did all pointed to petrol in the diesel.

After some diagnostic work I discovered the problem was due to seized injector nozzles. No-one around here had the kit to test them or deal with them in any way so I made my own test unit and attempted to clean the nozzles with a variety of products and ultrasonics etc. This was unsuccessful.

I believe new nozzles may be able to be purchased, but in the end I replaced the injectors with some from a Citroen (yes really!) and the machine has run sweetly since.

Not saying this'd necessarily be an issue for @fatnold but it's worth relating perhaps for anyone else who may run across a similar problem.

BTW @fatnold - are you going to keep the old parts if you get them replaced?

[ninetubes]

equally late to the thread, and not a specific contribution to the defender issue, but;

A friend had a new diesel VW caddy van he used for work,and was coming to meet us on a weekend down south. He came down later than the rest of us on the ~400km trip. When he arrived he was talking about the van not driving too well, that's when we worked out that he'd put a full tank of ULP in it 200km ago! We managed to drain the tank, mostly, re-fill with diesel and flush the filter and lines through. It's still being used as a daily delivery vehicle 4 years later with no issues.

maybe he got lucky, or maybe the VW system was less susceptible to mis-fueling failures. But my take-away from this was that perhaps CRD mis-fueling gets over complicated by some people.

- I'm not advocating for any particular plan of action here, just sharing an interesting experience -

[goingbush]

<snip>But my take-away from this was that perhaps CRD mis-fueling gets over complicated by some people.
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hit the nail on the head.

Lots of people making lots of money out of hype where its really a non issue & costs nothing more than a tank of diesel if dealt with sensibly

[LRJim]

hit the nail on the head.

Lots of people making lots of money out of hype where its really a non issue & costs nothing more than a tank of diesel if dealt with sensiblyThe reason all these people are making money is because 90% of diesel cars these days are driven by suits who only know the color of the fuel pump let alone how to dump and bleed the system!

[scarry]

There is a guy around here who makes a living out of this issue.

He pumps the fuel out,etc,and gets most on their way.

I read an article about someone that had used him,she was his fourth customer for that day.

As for insurance companies,ask the question,i did and found out or work vehicles are covered,but the D4,which was up for renewal was not.
I shopped around and it is now covered as well.