Dirty Diesel? / Best Second Filter for Puma Defender?

[Zeros]

Who has experienced dirty diesel in their puma?

Whats the consensus on the best second inline diesel filter for Pumas and where to fit it?

[martnH]

I installed this one
fuel manager defender 2.2 kit from Bailey diesel

Use factory fuel cooler line. Comes with stone guard and a hand primer..... Although it is redundant in a 2.2

From memory $400....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/e13057eaa1f9c9fb7ea40965e9bd387d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/d2b804a2ec7964632ba47448d5c00fb7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/029a7cef0016987a11d46693f380a6ef.jpg

[martnH]

I got the idea from Toxic_Avenger :D

[Zeros]

I installed this one
fuel manager defender 2.2 kit from Bailey diesel

Use factory fuel cooler line. Comes with stone guard and a hand primer..... Although it is redundant in a 2.2

From memory $400....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/e13057eaa1f9c9fb7ea40965e9bd387d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/d2b804a2ec7964632ba47448d5c00fb7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/029a7cef0016987a11d46693f380a6ef.jpg

Thanks MartnH, looks like a good option.
Is that the pre-filter or secondary filter version?
I’m looking at this one - secondary.
Landrover Defender 2.2L & 2.4L - Secondary Fuel Filter Kit - DCS029 | Diesel Care Australia (https://www.dieselcare.com.au/product/filtration-and-additives/secondary-fuel-filter-kits/landrover-defender-2-4l-secondary-fuel-filter-kit-dcs029/)
Cheers

[Beery]

I installed this one
fuel manager defender 2.2 kit from Bailey diesel

Use factory fuel cooler line. Comes with stone guard and a hand primer..... Although it is redundant in a 2.2

From memory $400....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/e13057eaa1f9c9fb7ea40965e9bd387d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/d2b804a2ec7964632ba47448d5c00fb7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/029a7cef0016987a11d46693f380a6ef.jpgBe better to filter the supply line rather than the tank return line wouldn't it?

[martnH]

Be better to filter the supply line rather than the tank return line wouldn't it?? But


I have checked and the secondary fuel filter is on the supply line...

Both supply and return go near the fuel cooler...

[martnH]

Thanks MartnH, looks like a good option.
Is that the pre-filter or secondary filter version?
I’m looking at this one - secondary.
Landrover Defender 2.2L & 2.4L - Secondary Fuel Filter Kit - DCS029 | Diesel Care Australia (https://www.dieselcare.com.au/product/filtration-and-additives/secondary-fuel-filter-kits/landrover-defender-2-4l-secondary-fuel-filter-kit-dcs029/)
CheersI got the same one...

It's from diesel care, not Bailey.

Cheers

[goingbush]

Those Fuel Managers are over rated & over expensive.

Get a fuel filter mount from a 70 series cruiser ($100 from eBay) & run a Ryco Z699 , 5 micron & have a water trap built in with a connection to hook up to an idiot light which will illuminate if theres water.

I make an adaptor to fit the Iveco fuel sensor inside the Z699 instead of the POS Iveco plastic housing rubbish , Ive had 2 standard filter housings split & they are $300 ++ , the Cruiser would be an ideal Aux filter for any LandRover, as would Ford Courier / Mazda Bravo Filters (pictured) which runs Z332 (10 micron)

Oh & you get a bonus hand primer pump, very handy.

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[Robmacca]

I assume this is mounted on the chassis but where in relation to the Fuel Cooler? Any Chance of some more Pics where I can get a better idea as to where & how it is mounted?

Also, what is the Flow rate of these Aux Filters? W/O a good flow rate, your not doing any favours to your fuel system.....

rob



I installed this one
fuel manager defender 2.2 kit from Bailey diesel

Use factory fuel cooler line. Comes with stone guard and a hand primer..... Although it is redundant in a 2.2

From memory $400....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/e13057eaa1f9c9fb7ea40965e9bd387d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/d2b804a2ec7964632ba47448d5c00fb7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180721/029a7cef0016987a11d46693f380a6ef.jpg

[Marty90]

I assume this is mounted on the chassis but where in relation to the Fuel Cooler? Any Chance of some more Pics where I can get a better idea as to where & how it is mounted?

Also, what is the Flow rate of these Aux Filters? W/O a good flow rate, your not doing any favours to your fuel system.....

robThat red thing is a cover for the fuel cooler

[DazzaTD5]

So.... what is a second fuel filter that filters 5 microns going to achieve that the first fuel filter filtering 5 microns wont?

[goingbush]

So.... what is a second fuel filter that filters 5 microns going to achieve that the first fuel filter filtering 5 microns wont?

Assume your referring to my input. Nothing is the Answer to that.

Im just offering an alternative, In the Iveco I replace the unreliable cartridge filter with the Z669 , both are 5 micron. A pre filter needs to be coarser media , hence the Z 332 Ford / Mazda suggestion . Z252X is the same fit as a Z669 but is 10 micron.

[DazzaTD5]

Assume your referring to my input. Nothing is the Answer to that.

Im just offering an alternative, In the Iveco I replace the unreliable cartridge filter with the Z669 , both are 5 micron. A pre filter needs to be coarser media , hence the Z 332 Ford / Mazda suggestion . Z252X is the same fit as a Z669 but is 10 micron.

No no, wasnt referring to anyone's post, was just a general comment with regards to the sometimes sales spin of companies pushing second fuel filter installs.

I see a lot of "Quick! save you diesel engine now" and fit.... second fuel filter kit, fit a oil separator (catch can), remap with a performance tune, etc etc..... hell lets fit a hi-clone .....

[Zeros]

So you’d stay with just the factory filter Daz? ...is there any merit in a second filter in case the First gets waterlogged, or is the fuel just going to carry the water to the scond anyway?

[DazzaTD5]

Those Fuel Managers are over rated & over expensive.

Get a fuel filter mount from a 70 series cruiser ($100 from eBay) & run a Ryco Z699 , 5 micron & have a water trap built in with a connection to hook up to an idiot light which will illuminate if theres water.

I make an adaptor to fit the Iveco fuel sensor inside the Z699 instead of the POS Iveco plastic housing rubbish , Ive had 2 standard filter housings split & they are $300 ++ , the Cruiser would be an ideal Aux filter for any LandRover, as would Ford Courier / Mazda Bravo Filters (pictured) which runs Z332 (10 micron)

Oh & you get a bonus hand primer pump, very handy.

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I actually like this setup as on a 2.4lt Defender TDCi (puma) it will give you a simple way to prime the fuel system.
In fact I use a aftermarket alloy fuel filter head that has a primer on early model Jeeps diesels (as they suffer the same thing you mention, and at $300) that is round $50 and uses the same filter as the previous model Defender TD5 (which is used on a lot of diesels) In the pic is a Baldwin BF7970

[DazzaTD5]

Well you would really need one with a water trap.

I dont see fitting a fuel filter underneath to be the best spot, it doesnt really promote regular filter changing.
I spose the ideal setup would be 10 micron primary filter, 5 micron secondary filter, one of them with a water trap.

We are talking worst case scenario here.... dirty fuel with water in it.....
I would be more inclined to take a few spare fuel filters.

[goingbush]

Don't know about the Puma but the Td5 filters have a built in water trap & the Discos have the "water in filter idiot light". Defender is same without the idiot light. Idiot thing about the filter is the location in the wheel well , no light needed for that.

If your worried about water in fuel don't wait for a light, just crack the drain on the filter & the water comes out before the diesel. All standard equipment - no aux filter needed.

That said Ive never had any water in the fuel of any of my 4x4's , in 35 years ,( not even the one I submerged ). Regular filter changing will deal with any water that condenses in your tank.

[Zeros]

Understand the water trap, but how is a 10 micron and a five micron better than two 5’s?

Is there a water trap replacement filter for the standard filter underneath on a 2.2? Then is there a good location to mount a second 5 micron under the bonnet?

Is the genuine LR filter 5 micron?

[DazzaTD5]

Understand the water trap, but how is a 10 micron and a five micron better than two 5’s?

Is there a water trap replacement filter for the standard filter underneath on a 2.2? Then is there a good location to mount a second 5 micron under the bonnet?

Is the genuine LR filter 5 micron?

Because the primary filter, at 10 microns grabs all the "large" particles while the secondary, at 5 microns grabs all the left over particles.

Having two 5 micron filters does nothing. The second filter wont pick up 5 micron particles that the first filter somehow missed. As in if a particle goes through the first 5 micron filter then it will also go through the second 5 micron particle.

On the Defender TDCi (puma) I use a Baldwin fuel filter (sorry cant remember the number off the top of my head) but it is marked as "Secondary Filter" and is 5 micron.

[DazzaTD5]

That said Ive never had any water in the fuel of any of my 4x4's , in 35 years ,( not even the one I submerged ). Regular filter changing will deal with any water that condenses in your tank.

This statement x 2

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Toyota covers the new Prado for "bad fuel",,, ya gotta wonder why..

[Eevo]

i prefer clean diesel

142479

[trout1105]

I recently bought a new fuel filter/water trap for my boat and the complete kit including filter, housing and fittings cost a bit over a hundred bucks But it doesn't come with its own primer.
Add an in line primer eg squeeze bulb type or a 12v fuel pump and this filter will suit any diesel or petrol engine as a primary filter/water trap.
I have used these on boats, tractors and headers and they have worked perfectly and are far cheaper than an OEM filter setup to replace.

[Beery]

? But


I have checked and the secondary fuel filter is on the supply line...

Both supply and return go near the fuel cooler...Some interesting reading from the workshop manual. The genuine filter head has a thermostat in it. When the returning fuel is below 45 degrees, the thermostat diverts it back into the filter and back to the high pressure pump. Stops the fuel system waxing up in freezing conditions.
If the return fuel is above 45 degrees, it sends it back to the tank.

[martnH]

The secondary fuel filter (fuel manager) is a 2 micro unit. With a extended water trap beneath

I was thinking of diy. But then the fuel line are made of polymer, it is preformed and seems quite brittle. and replacement is expensive...
Overall I am not capable to DIY the filter......

[martnH]

The secondary fuel filter doesn't use the fuel lines on the fuel cooler. It's on the supply fuel line. It has nothing to do with the fuel cooler.
It was my mistake to say it uses the fuel cooler line. It only use the supply line. Both supply and return fuel lines go near the cooler..... And there is quick connect fittings on both lines.
Cheers


Some interesting reading from the workshop manual. The genuine filter head has a thermostat in it. When the returning fuel is below 45 degrees, the thermostat diverts it back into the filter and back to the high pressure pump. Stops the fuel system waxing up in freezing conditions.
If the return fuel is above 45 degrees, it sends it back to the tank.

[Beery]

The secondary fuel filter doesn't use the fuel lines on the fuel cooler. It's on the supply fuel line. It has nothing to do with the fuel cooler.
It was my mistake to say it uses the fuel cooler line. It only use the supply line. Both supply and return fuel lines go near the cooler..... And there is quick connect fittings on both lines.
CheersI was talking about the primary filter. Explaining why the supply and return lines both go via the primary filter head.

[martnH]

I assume this is mounted on the chassis but where in relation to the Fuel Cooler? Any Chance of some more Pics where I can get a better idea as to where & how it is mounted?

Also, what is the Flow rate of these Aux Filters? W/O a good flow rate, your not doing any favours to your fuel system.....

rob

I think the filters are all on the low pressure side. Plus there is a lift pump in the tanks so shouldn't have any starvation problem?

I don't know.haha but so far so good.

[afb]

Hi All,
I’m curious whether a 5 micron filter really warranted over a 10 micron? If so, why run two filters, why not just replace the 10 with 5 micron and carry a spare?
Cheers
Adrian

[Zeros]

The question really boils down to whether two filters is better than one?

Is there an argument for double filtering and/or whether redundancy in one filter, will prevent the second filter from failing?

Obviously if one filter is doing the job and it’s changed regularly all is good. But if you don’t catch water or other contaminent in the fuel, in the first filter in time, will the second filter make any difference?

[rick130]

I wrote a long reply and the bloody phone crapped itself!!

Filter nominal ratings aren't absolute, a 5 micron filter will trap 50% of 5 micron particles.
Stick another one in series with it and you'll roughly get another 50% of 5 micron and larger particles.

All the ag stuff I used to work on all had two fuel filters in series, often Bosch heads with the DI mechanical stuff.

Obviously with common rail/unit injectors you need filters with much higher flow and pressure ratings.

If Ben/isuzurover was still posting he'd explain it better

[martnH]

A fuel filter with a lower particular size and a higher efficiency, is better.

And also
My puma is tuned with bas 170bhp. It will "require" a cleaner fuel.....than standard. And hence my decision to install additional filter. (This is my interpretation from the army g wagon brochure that says the g240 engine is detuned to suit the quality of fuel.

So I am guessing it is quite possible the particulars under 5 micro will still cause quite a bit of damage to the combustion chamber lining of a common rail engine?Or piston? Particularly so when the engine is under heavy load?
It may not affect the performance but the longevity of the engine?

[goingbush]

A fuel filter with a lower particular size and a higher efficiency, is better.

And also
My puma is tuned with bas 170bhp. It will "require" a cleaner fuel.....than standard. And hence my decision to install additional filter. (This is my interpretation from the army g wagon brochure that says the g240 engine is detuned to suit the quality of fuel.

So I am guessing it is quite possible the particulars under 5 micro will still cause quite a bit of damage to the combustion chamber lining of a common rail engine?Or piston? Particularly so when the engine is under heavy load?
It may not affect the performance but the longevity of the engine?

Tune does not care about the particlular size, The HP pump & injectors don't know what tune you have , The HP pump is most prone to damage from particles greater than 5 micron no matter if you have a Stage 1, 2 or no tune.

[DazzaTD5]

A fuel filter with a lower particular size and a higher efficiency, is better.

And also
My puma is tuned with bas 170bhp. It will "require" a cleaner fuel.....than standard. And hence my decision to install additional filter. (This is my interpretation from the army g wagon brochure that says the g240 engine is detuned to suit the quality of fuel.

So I am guessing it is quite possible the particulars under 5 micro will still cause quite a bit of damage to the combustion chamber lining of a common rail engine?Or piston? Particularly so when the engine is under heavy load?
It may not affect the performance but the longevity of the engine?

*Sorry to say, but your tune (as with any tune, regardless of brand) will have a greater effect on reducing the longevity of your engine.
*(As a very broad statement) Damage isnt to the combustion chamber etc etc, the damage will occur to your fuel system, namely the high pressure side, when you are talking pressures of 3,000psi upto say 45,000psi small particles of dirt become like sand blasting the internal components.

[martnH]

Thanks.
Say, the tune will kill 5 years off the engine (it's a trade off between longevity and performance) Will the secondary fuel filter save two years out of the five?

I always thought the reason why JLR detune the tdci engines in a defender (compare to one in a transit) is because of safety but as well as bad fuel they presume defender owners will use if travelling in remote areas.

What is your opinion on the filters?

Cheers
*Sorry to say, but your tune (as with any tune, regardless of brand) will have a greater effect on reducing the longevity of your engine.
*(As a very broad statement) Damage isnt to the combustion chamber etc etc, the damage will occur to your fuel system, namely the high pressure side, when you are talking pressures of 3,000psi upto say 45,000psi small particles of dirt become like sand blasting the internal components.

[Robmacca]

I actually like this setup as on a 2.4lt Defender TDCi (puma) it will give you a simple way to prime the fuel system.
In fact I use a aftermarket alloy fuel filter head that has a primer on early model Jeeps diesels (as they suffer the same thing you mention, and at $300) that is round $50 and uses the same filter as the previous model Defender TD5 (which is used on a lot of diesels) In the pic is a Baldwin BF7970


Dazza,

Would love to see where within the engine bay u installed that Aux Fuel Filter/primer from the early model Jeep ??


On the missus Prado D4d, I installed a Racor Aux Fuel Filter that filters down to 2 microns and installed it before the Original (OEM) Fuel Filter. Mainly did this for a couple of reasons (1) Geniune Toyota Filters were very expensive at the time (2) I had access to good quality filters at a very good price. I had to make sure that it had a high flow rate as well which if I remember correctly is around or a bit over a 100ltrs/hr. I've never had any fuel issues over the 190,000kms we have put on the Prado and usually change the Aux Filter approx every 30k depending on where we have been....

I'd like to install a Aux Fuel Filter on my Tdci 2.4 as well, but after reading posts here and seeing that u have to put it under the car mounted on the chassis, I'm not really sure its worth the effort, instead, just change out the filter more regularly & carry more filters when touring....

I've been told the 2.4's don't have a pump in the tanks so when it comes to changing the OEM Fuel Filters, what do people do to prime the fuel system after a fuel filter replacement? Is there a trick to it to get the car running properly again?

[Zeros]

*Sorry to say, but your tune (as with any tune, regardless of brand) will have a greater effect on reducing the longevity of your engine.
*(As a very broad statement) Damage isnt to the combustion chamber etc etc, the damage will occur to your fuel system, namely the high pressure side, when you are talking pressures of 3,000psi upto say 45,000psi small particles of dirt become like sand blasting the internal components.

How much is this outweighed by the new tune if it switches of the EGR?

[sashadidi]

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I've been told the 2.4's don't have a pump in the tanks so when it comes to changing the OEM Fuel Filters, what do people do to prime the fuel system after a fuel filter replacement? Is there a trick to it to get the car running properly again?
I have a racor 230r primary water trap on 2008 Puma, My was mounted near fuel tank and inline before the LR fileter and has alarm etc but now have seem them mounted on bulkhead for easy access, when i changed filter(S) I just filled them up with diesel to the top,screwed them on and it started both times. Racor has a hand primer as well, I have also helped a person prime a Puma by sealing petrol tank hole by placing a CD disc over the fuel tank entry, placing air hose in the hole in the CD and the air pressure pushed diesel through the lines and primed the system to the rail on the engine and we just closed the bleed valve off once air bubbles stopped coming through and it started

[DazzaTD5]

If your worried about water in fuel don't wait for a light, just crack the drain on the filter & the water comes out before the diesel. All standard equipment - no aux filter needed.

That said Ive never had any water in the fuel of any of my 4x4's , in 35 years ,( not even the one I submerged ). Regular filter changing will deal with any water that condenses in your tank.

The above pretty well sums up my thoughts.
*I am a believer of improving a Land Rover design.
*But I hate cluttering a Land Rover with supposed improvements.
*I really hate "improvements" that make other simple tasks such as doing a service harder/slower.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

2 microns.

Your late model LR diesel with huge pressure piezo injectors need less that 2 microns,,



otherwise its just a throwaway engine,,,
sad but true.

[labrado]

2 microns.

Your late model LR diesel with huge pressure piezo injectors need less that 2 microns,,



otherwise its just a throwaway engine,,,
sad but true.Has anyone here fitted a transit fuel filter to puma? Something like this Genuine Ford TRANSIT Mk7 Fuel Filter 1685861 | eBay (https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/Genuine-Ford-TRANSIT-Mk7-Fuel-Filter-1685861/1009771235)
The ford mechanic I used had compared a Ford filter with a wji500040 I supplied, he can't confirm the Ford one will be screwed in perfectly.

[rar110]

I’ve emptied the old Lucas water trap plenty of times of water and particles. But my old 110 doesn’t have a fuel cooler.

I stupidly replaced the water trap with a Racor filter/water trap. The Racor picked up more water and more junk. I didn’t realise the Racor filter was 2 micron, so blocked and stopped the car.

I went back to the original Lucas part as a good primary filter. I will refit the Racor in the engine bay, post water separator, as a good filter. Any year now. Don’t drive the 110 much any more so not a big priority.

[Dorian]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by goingbush https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/263594-dirty-diesel-best-second-filter-puma-defender-post2827021.html#post2827021)

That said Ive never had any water in the fuel of any of my 4x4's , in 35 years ,( not even the one I submerged ). Regular filter changing will deal with any water that condenses in your tank.


This statement x 2

Those statements minus 1
In my case I believe the damage was done from one tank fill, although this is the first time, I'd had any problems.

A write up of my experience - https://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/250146-lime-milkshake.html?250146=#post2682996

I check/drain my filters every 4-5 tanks and I always get more water out of the secondary filter than the primary, often I get none out of the primary, I put it down to the bowl trapping the water away from the filter element so it doesn't get sucked back up into the flow. Others may have a more proven explanation.

The diesel care option isn't the most cost effective, but it's got all the bits needed and I fitted it to my MY12 Puma in about 1 1/2 hours.


Cheers Glen

[djam1]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by goingbush https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/263594-dirty-diesel-best-second-filter-puma-defender-post2827021.html#post2827021)

That said Ive never had any water in the fuel of any of my 4x4's , in 35 years ,( not even the one I submerged ). Regular filter changing will deal with any water that condenses in your tank.



Those statements minus 1
In my case I believe the damage was done from one tank fill, although this is the first time, I'd had any problems.

A write up of my experience - https://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/250146-lime-milkshake.html?250146=#post2682996

I check/drain my filters every 4-5 tanks and I always get more water out of the secondary filter than the primary, often I get none out of the primary, I put it down to the bowl trapping the water away from the filter element so it doesn't get sucked back up into the flow. Others may have a more proven explanation.

The diesel care option isn't the most cost effective, but it's got all the bits needed and I fitted it to my MY12 Puma in about 1 1/2 hours.


Cheers Glen

Yes but it’s a known issue on Pumas with the breather needing modification from what I recall

[Dorian]

Yes but it’s a known issue on Pumas with the breather needing modification from what I recall

I had addressed the breather issue prior to the water incident (or MR Auto had). The water got in either from the fuel or from filling the tank. It was ****ing down at the time so could have been the later.
I check the filters for water every 4 or 5 tanks (yes, I'm paranoid ) and always get something out, it's usually only a small amount (say 1/4 or less of a teaspoon- probably less) so assume it's from condensation inside the tank.

Point is, IMHO the primary filter does nothing to remove the water as since my incidence, the primary filter has hardly ever dropped any water, where as the secondary has always given up a small amount.

Cheers Glen

[martnH]

Hi Glen,
After I installed the fuel filter, I think (I am not sure) the engine is a lot quieter.
Have you experienced the same? Is it possible as all?

My engine used to make the typical tdci sound. like a pair of acrylic dentures rattling again each other, dadadadada
I can easily hear a tdci in a bt50 or ranger transit

But now that sound is gone...But sure what is the case....
I had addressed the breather issue prior to the water incident (or MR Auto had). The water got in either from the fuel or from filling the tank. It was ****ing down at the time so could have been the later.
I check the filters for water every 4 or 5 tanks (yes, I'm paranoid ) and always get something out, it's usually only a small amount (say 1/4 or less of a teaspoon- probably less) so assume it's from condensation inside the tank.

Point is, IMHO the primary filter does nothing to remove the water as since my incidence, the primary filter has hardly ever dropped any water, where as the secondary has always given up a small amount.

Cheers Glen

[Dorian]

Hi Glen,
After I installed the fuel filter, I think (I am not sure) the engine is a lot quieter.
Have you experienced the same? Is it possible as all?

My engine used to make the typical tdci sound. like a pair of acrylic dentures rattling again each other, dadadadada
I can easily hear a tdci in a bt50 or ranger transit

But now that sound is gone...But sure what is the case....

Hi Martin,
I think that it runs better, my recollection is that it used have "rattly" episodes every so often and the exhaust smoke would be greyish instead of black. I don't get that anymore.
However to be fair, the filter went on straight after I had the fuel system replaced (both pumps, injectors and the pressure control valve/s), so it went from shockingly bad to pretty keen. I suspect that my fuel system had been on the downward slope before hand and the water was the push over the edge so to speak.
So while I think the filter has made things better, I wouldn't be betting my left leg on it.

Cheers Glen

[rick130]

All you need to get water in your car tank is have the servo running low on diesel in the underground tank.

I've had the water alarm go off a few times in a Patrol from farm fuel, and that was just condensation buildup in the farm tank.

[Marty90]

I've seen plenty of vehicles stop due to water after filling up from dodgy servos.

[sashadidi]

All you need to get water in your car tank is have the servo running low on diesel in the underground tank.

I've had the water alarm go off a few times in a Patrol from farm fuel, and that was just condensation buildup in the farm tank.second filter saved me 3 times so far, two times from water in fuel especially after dodgy fuel tanks after earthquakes ruined them in christchurch. The Racor was worth every cent to me.

[martnH]

If you think about it,......It's pretty crazy...
2 micron is bacteria level

(As in width...Some bacteria can be pretty long...
2 microns.

Your late model LR diesel with huge pressure piezo injectors need less that 2 microns,,



otherwise its just a throwaway engine,,,
sad but true.

[YOLO110]

I installed this one
fuel manager defender 2.2 kit from Bailey diesel

Use factory fuel cooler line. Comes with stone guard and a hand primer..... Although it is redundant in a 2.2

Can you elaborate why it's redundant in a 2.2 please?

[Beery]

Can you elaborate why it's redundant in a 2.2 please?The 2.2 has an electric lift pump in the tank. To prime, all you have to do is turn the key to 'run' and let it pump the fuel lines for a bit.

[martnH]

Can you elaborate why it's redundant in a 2.2 please?As Beery said, 2.2 has a lift pump. Don't really need the hand primer

[Zeros]

...but is a second filter on 2.2 redundant? Has anyone mounted one in a less vulnerable position under the bonnet?