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DazzaTD5
21st July 2018, 04:44 PM
I know some of you already know this, but was news for me and does come from reliable sources.

The Merc 4x4, 6x6 are deemed as Australia use only and wont be deployed overseas.

I was also told that service personal overseas in conflict zones are driving Land Cruisers, so both the good guys and bad are using land Cruisers, which may make one ponder why they simply didnt end up using Land Cruisers here in Australia.

grey_ghost
21st July 2018, 05:16 PM
And these things are meant to be better than the Perentie? I bet they won’t be running around in 30 years either! On the bright side - it means that we can buy a Perentie! [emoji1303][emoji3]

p38arover
21st July 2018, 06:30 PM
I heard that the G-Wagons will soon start appearing in the military auctions.

101RRS
21st July 2018, 06:33 PM
The G wagen and the Perentie cannot be compared - G Wagen is a support vehicle where many versions of the Perentie were frontline, at least until we started to realise how vulnerable they were in modern insurgent type warfare.

rar110
21st July 2018, 06:33 PM
I heard that the G-Wagons will soon start appearing in the military auctions.

Nice for us. Expensive experiment I never really understood in an age of big IEDs. I’d want to be in a bushpig.

weeds
21st July 2018, 07:21 PM
The perentie hasn’t been used for patrols on deployments for some time so you can not compare with the g-wagon. A good mate of mine that has done five deployment into the hot zones, never once wished he had a Land Rover. ASLAV was his preferred method of cruising the battle fields....he doesn’t mind slipping back into a GMV in AUS.

The defence force will always need a fleet of un-armoured vehicles for training and domestic duties.....oh and Land Rover didn’t have an option. I would rather a G-Wagon over a perentie if I was still in for dumb arse exercises in Australia.

There is a lot of equipment the defence force use that doesn’t get deployed....take the new battle tank, it will never be deployed.

DazzaTD5
21st July 2018, 07:35 PM
The G wagen and the Perentie cannot be compared - G Wagen is a support vehicle where many versions of the Perentie were frontline, at least until we started to realise how vulnerable they were in modern insurgent type warfare.

This is a very valid comment, the British Wolf was also a victim of the same issue.
So it makes the Merc 4x4, 6x6 a very expensive vehicle for a support only role, especially if what I was told with regards to the SAS using Land Cruisers.

DazzaTD5
21st July 2018, 07:41 PM
The perentie hasn’t been used for patrols on deployments for some time so you can not compare with the g-wagon. A good mate of mine that has done five deployment into the hot zones, never once wished he had a Land Rover. ASLAV was his preferred method of cruising the battle fields....he doesn’t mind slipping back into a GMV in AUS.

The defence force will always need a fleet of un-armoured vehicles for training and domestic duties.....oh and Land Rover didn’t have an option. I would rather a G-Wagon over a perentie if I was still in for dumb arse exercises in Australia.



Yes most know that Ford wasnt interested in tendering a Defender for this role.
A Land Cruiser would have easily have filled the need for a soft skinned light vehicle at no doubt considerably lower cost.
Its seems yet another example of mis-directed funds.

DazzaTD5
21st July 2018, 07:45 PM
A good mate of mine that has done five deployment into the hot zones, never once wished he had a Land Rover.

I dont know that anyone who has done active service would want that or anything more than on the ground with boots.

rar110
21st July 2018, 08:01 PM
I wasn’t comparing. I’m aware Perenties on Os deployments were largely confined to base. I would be less wanting to be in a perentie110 than a GWagon with plates. I’ve seen a perentie 6x6 that hit a moderate IED.

I was saying in an age where use of big IEDs, why buy light armoured anything.

justinc
21st July 2018, 09:00 PM
And the IEDs will just get bigger, too big for any armour to protect any of the occupants

Eevo
21st July 2018, 10:12 PM
bushmaster is the replacement

justinc
21st July 2018, 10:22 PM
Some pretty bleak footage of what they are going through

YouTube (https://youtu.be/ZdvIDNeVKpw)

justinc
21st July 2018, 10:25 PM
This us the one I was looking for. You can't tell me this is survivable from inside any armoured vehicle

YouTube (https://youtu.be/03rywDtxZMU)

grey_ghost
22nd July 2018, 06:46 AM
One time I was driving my 101 and a current ADF member approached me asking me if he could take some pictures. We got talking and I mentioned that I also had a Perentie. I asked him how the new G wagon was - he said that “most” people preferred the Perentie over the G, because when anything went wrong with the G you were stranded, but in a Perentie you could patch it yourself until you got back to base.

Zeros
22nd July 2018, 12:44 PM
The big question ( that we probably already know the answer to) is, will the next ‘Defender’ be taken up by any military? And if not, why call it Defender?

...my ‘Defenders’ are really only defending my front lawn from bogans doing burnouts in the street, my bush work requirements and my lifestyle choice of having bush capable vehicles for civilian adventures with a fridge full of gourmet food!

weeds
22nd July 2018, 05:14 PM
One time I was driving my 101 and a current ADF member approached me asking me if he could take some pictures. We got talking and I mentioned that I also had a Perentie. I asked him how the new G wagon was - he said that “most” people preferred the Perentie over the G, because when anything went wrong with the G you were stranded, but in a Perentie you could patch it yourself until you got back to base.

I have the opposite feed back from my mate....each to there own I guess.