My Experience with Land Rover Discovery SDV6 SE 2016

[Ljwilson1]

I’ve had my 2016 Land Rover Discovery 4 for 18 months now, and unfortunately believe the purchase was floored, and I should have stuck by replacing my 22-year-old 80 series Toyota Land Cruiser with a 200 series. While I liked the idea of a British Marque, the decision was my mistake, as I didn’t do enough research.

I did consider waiting for your newer model, but judging by the delays, uncertainty and no indication price or options, my instincts said No, which proved correct.

I took delivery of my 2016 Discovery, which was a run out vehicle, in September 2016. In hindsight it lacked the options that I would now not accept for a modern vehicle. This is particularly the case with the GPS, which could not locate a street in Perth that had been gazetted more than five years earlier, and this is the market the vehicle was being sold into-very frustrating. Furthermore, where I live, I have totally given up on its reliability and nearly always use Google maps via Wi-Fi or my TOM TOM GO 5100 as the information is live and up to date. Furthermore, it doesn’t cost the earth, and it has lifetime maps for the whole world. (I appreciate there are updates now, but the hardware is hardly cutting edge, so lacking in any real usefulness)

I don’t wish to dwell on my lack of judgement but we have holidayed in Europe recent years, and hired a standard VW Passat, and a Renault Kadjar. Each of these vehicles had All the top end features, including GPS Data, which constantly let one know whether we were speeding, including adaptive cruise control, which should be basic tools. And these vehicles are less than half the price of the Discovery, so why is this? Do their profits need to so high or your overheads so owner us.

The Land Rover Discovery 2016 is a box on wheels, and the current vehicle looks like someone has set off a hand grenade and blown it out on all sides. But then the new local dealer in Bunbury said that you get used to it, and it grows on you.

With the 2016 model, these are some of the things that annoy me about it. Judging, I would say your most recent vehicles have similar issues, as LR doesn’t seem to learn the lessons well: -

· The tow bar cover is cheap and nasty, somewhat trashy plastic clips holding it on, which fall-off easily;
· The towing plug should be an external arrangement because of this fiddly cover plate as you need to get down under the vehicle to fix-it;
· No tread protection on the doorsills (In the interim, I have bought some on line, which are easy to fit)-another extra;
· Doors should be double sealed like the Toyota Land Cruiser, as the Discovery’s require more force to close, and are therefore quite unsophisticated when there is no need to be;
· Body Shape is terribly dated, and its replacement is disappointing (The VELAR/RR Sport are a much better shapes, and with diesel becoming persona non-grata, concentrating on hybrids is for LR is probably their best option);
· You could easily ditch the Discovery as I believe you have more than enough models and technology can be incorporated in these vehicles reducing your costs;
· The vehicle is way to heavy, even for a 2016 model;
· Wiper blades don’t lift off the glass back and front for easier cleaning like the Cruiser;
· Not much thought has gone into the registration plate fixing arrangements…if it doesn’t suit the UK number plate- don’t worry about, the Colonials and other recipients will just have to wear it! From this sought of thing, I really wonder why they sell into Australia, as the vehicle doesn’t seem to meet any of our expectations as LR has to much of a laisser-faire attitude and needs to lift their Game.

Inside the vehicle the following I don’t find satisfactory either: -

· The GPS doesn’t have a provision for live inputs for speed limits including traffic congestion and there is no way to alter this; The system is so basic, it is unbelievable;
· I am constantly catching my foot on the underside panel in the vicinity of the accelerator pedal, and I only have a size 9 foot;
· Furthermore, I am constantly knocking the flaps on the steering wheel when I do a U turn, which is annoying to reset;
· The screen for the radio is way to small in this day and age, and could have been improved long ago;
· No after-market coloured floor mats for the boot, which are the same as the upholstery that are easily available. In my case, beige, the hardest to match was the boot, which I was able to finally purchase on-line in the US;
· The dealer offered us mudflaps at $550, which I purchased for less than $100 on line, fitting myself. I have seen a number of ‘Discoveries’ without mudflaps as I imagine the owners similarly balked at such a rip-off for a couple of bits of plastic; this experience turned me off LR parts forever.
· Likewise, I purchased electric side steps, and extended roof rails, which would have saved me a lot over their inflated prices;
· Servicing, well that was another issue. LR Perth quoted me at least $760, when my local mechanic did it for $430, and he has a great reputation. There are No secrets that I see your pricing as predatory & it isn’t nearly 200K away.
· Furthermore, LR needs to grips with is servicing. I live in the second largest city in Western Australia. However, I have had to drive to Perth for servicing. Furthermore, I unable to use the online servicing website as there wasn’t any recognised garage in Bunbury when I spoke to your office. I since believe LR has just partnered with GM agent in Bunbury, but my experience with LR so far isn’t good, and I won’t be taking up the option. However, Australia suffers from a tyranny of distance from everywhere, so you need to be more flexible in the provision of Service.
· I would have liked heated seats, but unfortunately I would have to purchase a whole bunch of other stuff, which is next to useless in Australia. Why can’t you tailor vehicles for Australia? In the era of robotics, this task should not insurmountable?
· And why can’t the vehicles be up-graded with such things as Adaptive Cruise Control?... Or similar to other devices like TV’s with 4K and 5K adaptability, which should be part of your aim and culture?
· There is no small change compartment for the driver for parking, or is it that in this case technology has already done away with this? There is a silly little lid in the centre compartment, which looks like an after thought and prone to I don’t know what!

Basically, this an insight into part of my dissatisfaction, as I have never been so disappointed in any vehicle when I reflect on what is available these days, and am angry with myself. Furthermore, I could have said more about your customer service in Australia, but I have Bleated-on enough.

[loanrangie]

I can only assume that the format of this "letter" was so it could be sent to LR themselves, all of your comments are your opinion but why on earth would you buy a vehicle if you didnt like the shape of it ?
The RRS and Velar are completely different vehicles in every way possible so don't see the comparison ? The LC200 is also a big box on wheels shaped very much like a D4 so you are contradicting yourself there.
You havent mentioned anything on reliability so assume that all was ok on that front, something that may not have been true if you stuck with toymota.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Why wouldnt it be a box on wheels??

see that number 4 after the word discovery??

the three generations of Disco's before that one were "boxes on wheels"
and TOTALLY distinctive in design. For 25 years NOTHING ELSE looked like a Disco.
(unlike now where a D5 looks like EVERYTHING else)

all your diatribe means to me is you've had 18 months of trouble free ownership.

I'd hate to see the post if you had bought a lemon...

[p38arover]

, I could have said more about your customer service in Australia, but I have Bleated-on enough.

You do realise that this forum has no affiliation with Land Rover?

[Zeros]

Funny! ...All 4x4 vehicles are either a box on wheels (D4 / Defender) or a whale on wheels (LC200 / D5). ...all in all some pretty small quibbles by someone who just wished he’d bought a Toyota and looking for someone to blame. ...although his comments about a lack of Land Rover service centres and extortionate servicing costs are on the money. Luckily there are many excellent indies around who do a better job.

[gromit]

First post and it's a 'dummy spit'.

Welcome to the Forum........

Colin

[speleomike]

I like the box on wheels shape. I bought mine because its a very practical box.

[Ferret]

Buyers remorse - the sense of regret after having made a purchase. You'll get over it.

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[scarry]

Dated and heavy,has anyone looked at a 200 series lately?
The whole vehicle is well and truely dated.....

One thing though,unfortunately, he is correct about the LR dealers.
LR really need to sort out this issue,as it is disgraceful,as noted by many on here.

[rangieman]

Welcome
You bought this car did you not test drive it first [bighmmm]

Really a good hour long test drive before you parted ways with your hard earned cash would have shown up all these trivial complaints of yours:soapbox:

By the way you came from a tojo 80 series with the same mod con`s as a HQ.

Sell it and go buy something else [thumbsupbig]

[jon3950]

Lucky he didn’t buy a Defender. Looking forward to post no.2.....

[Chops]

An interesting read,,, And having owned Other brands,, I'll say this.

Unlike Mr Wilson here,, I can only say that I feel just the opposite.
Mine, as I understand, was THE last D4 HSE to come into Australia. We too had the option to wait for the "All new Discovery" (D5 [wink11]), but I don't like the idea of buying the first of a new model, and at that point, prices/specs were unclear as well. But having said that, we prefer the look of the D4 over the D5. Its in our opinion, the smartest looking 4x4 on the market,,, still.

We bought our vehicle with a very specific reasoning behind our decision. Form and function were key factors, and mostly based around a touring lifestyle. Its comfort is absolutely excellent for long hours behind the wheel,,, very ergonomically designed, and certainly built with me in mind,, nice chaps over there in England ehh [wink11]
The economics of driving for hours on end with a large van in tow is excellent,, which leaves one to wonder how other brand owners can justify their choice,, and then be hamstrung with fuel costs etc whilst on the road.

Things like the "electronics"of the sat nav etc, are something I am personally not worried about. As tourers, we expect to have different devices to do different jobs. We've had both Tom Tom's and Garmins,, and they both make mistakes, or take you weird ways etc etc etc.

The four wheel drive functions are streets ahead of anything else on the market, and of course lead the way.
On that, I actually fail to see why LR did not actually make a Disco that was essentially just two wheel drive for the city folk who will never even see a dirt road in anger, let alone a rocky mountain track, or sand dunes etc. I'm sure many many people buy these cars JUST because they drive very well on bitumen, and have some severely good safety factors that work well. Of course, now we have the Evoque and Disco Sport.

All I can see in the letter is some gripes, and if it was presented to LR, I think they would view it in the same light. At the end of the day, a car company starts out to fill a market, more often than not, to satisfy a majority of people,, not just one person.

[timax]

I think the post is fair enough.
Its was an outdated car as compared to its competition which is why they made a new one.
Id like to know thoughts on reliability though.
'How is the build quality etc.

[101RRS]

Its was an outdated car as compared to its competition

Hmm its competition was developed at about the same time and is still around - the competition was never as advanced as the D4 and is still not.

[cjc_td5]

I’ve had my 2016 Land Rover Discovery 4 for 18 months now, and unfortunately believe the purchase was floored, and I should have stuck by replacing my 22-year-old 80 series Toyota Land Cruiser with a 200 series. While I liked the idea of a British Marque, the decision was my mistake, as I didn’t do enough research.

I did consider waiting for your newer model, but judging by the delays, uncertainty and no indication price or options, my instincts said No, which proved correct.

I took delivery of my 2016 Discovery, which was a run out vehicle, in September 2016. In hindsight it lacked the options that I would now not accept for a modern vehicle. This is particularly the case with the GPS, which could not locate a street in Perth that had been gazetted more than five years earlier, and this is the market the vehicle was being sold into-very frustrating. Furthermore, where I live, I have totally given up on its reliability and nearly always use Google maps via Wi-Fi or my TOM TOM GO 5100 as the information is live and up to date. Furthermore, it doesn’t cost the earth, and it has lifetime maps for the whole world. (I appreciate there are updates now, but the hardware is hardly cutting edge, so lacking in any real usefulness)

I don’t wish to dwell on my lack of judgement but we have holidayed in Europe recent years, and hired a standard VW Passat, and a Renault Kadjar. Each of these vehicles had All the top end features, including GPS Data, which constantly let one know whether we were speeding, including adaptive cruise control, which should be basic tools. And these vehicles are less than half the price of the Discovery, so why is this? Do their profits need to so high or your overheads so owner us.

The Land Rover Discovery 2016 is a box on wheels, and the current vehicle looks like someone has set off a hand grenade and blown it out on all sides. But then the new local dealer in Bunbury said that you get used to it, and it grows on you.

With the 2016 model, these are some of the things that annoy me about it. Judging, I would say your most recent vehicles have similar issues, as LR doesn’t seem to learn the lessons well: -

· The tow bar cover is cheap and nasty, somewhat trashy plastic clips holding it on, which fall-off easily;
· The towing plug should be an external arrangement because of this fiddly cover plate as you need to get down under the vehicle to fix-it;
· No tread protection on the doorsills (In the interim, I have bought some on line, which are easy to fit)-another extra;
· Doors should be double sealed like the Toyota Land Cruiser, as the Discovery’s require more force to close, and are therefore quite unsophisticated when there is no need to be;
· Body Shape is terribly dated, and its replacement is disappointing (The VELAR/RR Sport are a much better shapes, and with diesel becoming persona non-grata, concentrating on hybrids is for LR is probably their best option);
· You could easily ditch the Discovery as I believe you have more than enough models and technology can be incorporated in these vehicles reducing your costs;
· The vehicle is way to heavy, even for a 2016 model;
· Wiper blades don’t lift off the glass back and front for easier cleaning like the Cruiser;
· Not much thought has gone into the registration plate fixing arrangements…if it doesn’t suit the UK number plate- don’t worry about, the Colonials and other recipients will just have to wear it! From this sought of thing, I really wonder why they sell into Australia, as the vehicle doesn’t seem to meet any of our expectations as LR has to much of a laisser-faire attitude and needs to lift their Game.

Inside the vehicle the following I don’t find satisfactory either: -

· The GPS doesn’t have a provision for live inputs for speed limits including traffic congestion and there is no way to alter this; The system is so basic, it is unbelievable;
· I am constantly catching my foot on the underside panel in the vicinity of the accelerator pedal, and I only have a size 9 foot;
· Furthermore, I am constantly knocking the flaps on the steering wheel when I do a U turn, which is annoying to reset;
· The screen for the radio is way to small in this day and age, and could have been improved long ago;
· No after-market coloured floor mats for the boot, which are the same as the upholstery that are easily available. In my case, beige, the hardest to match was the boot, which I was able to finally purchase on-line in the US;
· The dealer offered us mudflaps at $550, which I purchased for less than $100 on line, fitting myself. I have seen a number of ‘Discoveries’ without mudflaps as I imagine the owners similarly balked at such a rip-off for a couple of bits of plastic; this experience turned me off LR parts forever.
· Likewise, I purchased electric side steps, and extended roof rails, which would have saved me a lot over their inflated prices;
· Servicing, well that was another issue. LR Perth quoted me at least $760, when my local mechanic did it for $430, and he has a great reputation. There are No secrets that I see your pricing as predatory & it isn’t nearly 200K away.
· Furthermore, LR needs to grips with is servicing. I live in the second largest city in Western Australia. However, I have had to drive to Perth for servicing. Furthermore, I unable to use the online servicing website as there wasn’t any recognised garage in Bunbury when I spoke to your office. I since believe LR has just partnered with GM agent in Bunbury, but my experience with LR so far isn’t good, and I won’t be taking up the option. However, Australia suffers from a tyranny of distance from everywhere, so you need to be more flexible in the provision of Service.
· I would have liked heated seats, but unfortunately I would have to purchase a whole bunch of other stuff, which is next to useless in Australia. Why can’t you tailor vehicles for Australia? In the era of robotics, this task should not insurmountable?
· And why can’t the vehicles be up-graded with such things as Adaptive Cruise Control?... Or similar to other devices like TV’s with 4K and 5K adaptability, which should be part of your aim and culture?
· There is no small change compartment for the driver for parking, or is it that in this case technology has already done away with this? There is a silly little lid in the centre compartment, which looks like an after thought and prone to I don’t know what!

Basically, this an insight into part of my dissatisfaction, as I have never been so disappointed in any vehicle when I reflect on what is available these days, and am angry with myself. Furthermore, I could have said more about your customer service in Australia, but I have Bleated-on enough.

Welcome to the forum mate!
The D4 shape has been around since 2004? Can't say you didn't know what it would look like! The "boxy" shape is in fact unique and very easy to fit a heap of stuff into. I love the practicality and styling....

You should rejoice that we now have a new LR dealer in town! I have been going to Perth FOR AGES for servicing and now have local factory support. I have recently dealt with them for a warranty issue and they have bent over backwards to help me out. I had a loan car for over 3 weeks no questions asked. If your local independent is the garage in Stuart St, then sorry, I can't say anything positive about them from past experience and that of others....

Mate is doesn't have some of the gadgets of a Jap or some euro new cars, but have you used it every day, towed a heavy load, been down the beach or out in the desert? It will do all of those things straight off the showroom floor with aplomb. Not many other vehicles can do all of this I am sure without some form of upgrades required...

Your GPS comments, well I don't have any of that stuff. Your phone mapping is way more accurate than just about any vehicle GPS system these days.

If your wanting to sell, I am sure there are many out there that would love a D4 rather than the curvy offerings these days.

Give me a wave if you see a white D4 in Bunbury. I am usually the one with a big smile enjoying cruising in my D4.

Cheers,
Chris

[timax]

Hmm its competition was developed at about the same time and is still around - the competition was never as advanced as the D4 and is still not.
Yep i guess the competition to us wanting to use the car off road is different to the majority of buyers who are comparing it to an X5 or a Q7 etc
Personally i love the shape and the fact that they are good off road and the others mentioned would never be on my list.
A 200 series may be but i just find the interiors a bit bland and they are huge for me in the city.

[jonesfam]

I think you blokes have been "Baited"

And I think you bit.

Maybe?

[Mick_Marsh]

Yep, baited.

And I'm biting.


I have never been a lover of whitegoods. Refrigerators in the kitchen and washing machines in laundry, yes, but not D3/4s.
Mr Ljwilson1, let me do you a favour. I'll swap you a Toyota Camry (yes, your favourite brand) for your Discovery. You'll be much happier. The Camry even has a satnav. Not sure if it has Perth on it. Do you have roads over there?

Oh, and does the D4 have a roo bar?

[p38arover]

I'm not a fan of factory GPS on any marque. Updates are very expensive and often out of date.

An update for our Suby is over $350 and isn't as good as stand-alone systems - and one has to stop to be able to do anything. The passenger can't even use it whilst the vehicle is moving (I've found a workaround -pull the handbrake up ever so slightly so the car thinks one is parked.)

[Milton477]

Troll.

[cuppabillytea]

Welcome to the forum Ljwilson1.
I think you should probably have bought a Defender. It doesn't have any of these silly things you complain about, although ,I suppose it is slightly boxy to the eye.
I know a bloke who sold a truly magnificent Defender and bought a D4 HSE. He hasn't been quite the same since.
On the pluss side; Had you stayed with Toyota you might still be feeling it and by now, could have gone blind.

[ozscott]

Haha. Funny post. I can appreciate dealer comments and some other things you might have said about certain aspects of a 200.series but the 200 is such a yawn. Coming from an 80.series the D4 must have felt like the US Enterprise. You do know some people here have actually owned or at least driven an 80 dont you? Having said that the 80 was an honest vehicle and the last of the great Cruisers.

Cheers

[Arch]

Yes that 80 was the last of the great cruisers... especially with the 1HD-FTE.

The OP definitely reads like a troll - some valid points but really didn't do their own research very well. Seems common on forums these days.

[donh54]

Adaptive Cruise Control? Every vehicle I've ever owned has had that! It carries over from one vehicle to the next - all the way from my first (a Triumph Mayflower) to the 2008 Santa Fe, and many Land Rover models in between.
It's called a "right foot" and, when attached to a suitably trained brain, it will work pretty much automatically to maintain a safe gap to the vehicle in front.
Most (sadly not all) people come equipped with one. The major problem seems to be the connection to the brain, this can be affected by fatigue, chemicals, anger, or outright stupidity, amongst other things.

[Chops]

Adaptive cruise control with the auto braking etc, can actually be quite dangerous.

Leeannes Ford Kuga has this, and in traffic, can really keep you on your toes. If someone happens to cut you off in any way, the car takes over and can damn near send you through the front windshield. If the guy behind you is a bit close, he can then run up your arse, especially when your merging in slow traffic. [bighmmm]

Been there, done that [thumbsupbig]

[p38arover]

Not all LC 200 are perfect. Here's an advert from Gumtree that I had to save:


The brochure says "King off the road". I foolishly thought they meant it was a good 4wd but now I understand what they mean by 'off the road'. Silly me, I probably should have read the small print somewhere.

Anyway, I wanted to be fair and reasonable in selling my vehicle so I am updating my ad. It probably sounds like there is lots wrong but I have it in writing from Toyota now that it has no major faults! Pheww, that's a relief. I guess they are correct as things like driving home on Christmas Eve with the car beeping and telling me the key is inside the vehicle is not major. Very annoying and not what I saw in the brochure but none the less, it's not major. I guess it's reassuring to know the key fob hasn't flown out the sunroof (which works by the way) whilst going down the highway. It also now overheats the transmission fluid up hills but don't worry too much about that, my dads old EF Falcon with 300000km also done that. I'd probably just recommend avoiding hills and maybe towing????

I purchased the vehicle new in June last year. It has a full Toyota service history including the most recent 3 attempts by Toyota to complete the 10000km service and full receipt of all warranty repairs will come with vehicle. (They only have to plug some plugs back into the console this week to get everything finished) ******This is now complete, the nice buggers came out to my wife's work to fix up their little mistake.*******

Get total piece of mind with this vehicle!!!!No need to worry about squeaks in the dash, injectors not functioning correctly, replacing exhausts and DPFs, fixing rear air con, repairing rattles in tow bars, fuel tanks not being able to be filled, hanbrakes not working, they have all been fixed for you already by the happy team at Toyota. There are a few things yet to be sorted, one of them is the replacement of the entertainment screen and navigation system that will hopefully fix all the ongoing intermittent electrical faults that the vehicle has which causes the screen not to work correctly, front parking sensors to trigger at random or not at all, the climate control screen to appear instead of the reverse camera and a few other fun things for the whole family. With a bit of luck, this may even fix the issues of the auto wipers, the rear view mirrors dipping whilst driving and the rear headphones for the rear seat entertainment unit having random interference. I can't promise you but let's hope. Toyota also say that none of these 'glitches' will effect the safety systems in the vehicle which is very comforting. The handbrake failing and nearly rolling back on me and the letter box doesn't count.

**** UPDATE****The processor for the infotainment system has now been replaced albeit they marked my trim but it's only minor, with one that they took from some other persons brand new Sahara prior to being sold despite the fact that Toyota don't do this! Unfortunately this did not fix the issues as the vehicle faulted within 10km of having it back from Toyota after 10 days of it being there. But don't let this bother you, I have Toyotas word that they will continue to help. I can't get them to return emails but I'm sure you will be fine. *********

Another great feature of the Sahara is the fact that you don't always need to set your alarm as the car beeps at you in middle of the night whilst sitting in the garage. Also handy in case you forgot to turn the dishwasher on, you can do it at 2 am when going to check if someone is stealing your car or it's just another 'glitch' as Toyota would say.

This particular vehicle is also a good tax write off as it uses much more fuel than any other 200 series Landcruiser I am aware of, it's not quiet as thirsty as my petrol 100 series but not far off.

Sometimes the proximity remote doesn't work from the back of the vehicle when trying to operate the tailgate but don't worry, just a few short steps to the front of the car to unlock and then back again with groceries in hand and everyone's happy. Car is unlocked and you got a few more steps on your Fitbit.

Toyota cannot replicate some of the faults that are occurring but I have video footage of most of them that I can give you to keep hold of for when you may need it in the future or just to kickstart your own video library of the cars faults.

Apart from the above mentioned items, the car is in great condition. It has the rare 'sand' colour Interior. The paint is perfect.

It also comes with a 6 year warranty which is lucky.

I'm not sure how we best go about viewing the vehicle as it will be back at TMCA for half of January for more testing.

[SPROVER]

Troll.Sure is....[emoji106]

[Ferret]

Not all LC 200 are perfect. Here's an advert from Gumtree that I had to save:

I see no complaints about the LC200's 4k TV or coin compartment. The 2 owners should get together and do a swap.

[carjunkieanon]

If you'd like to sell your D4 for what you consider it is worth...I'd be interested in buying.

[ATH]

I've got a D4 much the same age as the OPs vehicle and yes I have had small whinges like the drivers seat not holding position, but nothing like him. Didn't he even look at the thing before he bought it? Didn't he see it's shape etc.? Or the lack of a sat.nav.?
Totally unbelievable that he could have spent so much time composing such a load of garbage.
Clear off back to the darkside mate, if you think their products are so much better.
AlanH.

PS. My son has (or had) a new 200 series...... took Tojo 3 years to fix the oil consumption prob. and change the transmission which wouldn't work after a week being idle while he was on site at the mine. Apparently and according to them it was a "Hi-tech box which needed time to build pressure before it would work".....
Then there's the 5K to upgrade the suspension to tow his boat.
Goodbye Mr Wilson.

[Ean Austral]

Troll.

If he's not - he wont be coming back in a hurry. In fairness he did say he didnt do his homework - or similar to that effect.

I was expecting to read a list of mechanical failure's and no support from Land Rover , only to read the standard complaint about dealerships and their charges , and the car was outdated and boxy.

Truth be known, land rover are probaly happy that that's all a customer is unhappy about. no warranty work in that list.

Cheers Ean

[ATH]

The only real problem I've had with mine of much the same age as his is the damn horn continually blowing one morning. In the end I pulled the fuse and LR Assist took it to the stealers who couldn't find a fault.
I shamefacedly admit "' twas me what did it"..... :)
Driving off to get the paper from round the corner I had the window open and a load of water poured in off the roof as I went round the corner..... so I swept it off the door window controls with my hand and reckon I splashed it all over the steering wheel and a bit must have seeped down and shorted out the horn buttons......
Very embarrassing.
And I apologise to all who may have heard for my rude language at the time. :)
Apart from that it's a great vehicle and even the Cook who loves Defenders (even more than she loves me!!) is starting to like it.
AlanH

[Zeros]

Oh for an outdated, boxy, practical, bush ready, 4X4 vehicle!

[ramblingboy42]

LJ Wilson, if your vehicle makes you so miserable , sell it. Offer it to me at realistic price , but I bet you wont do that even though you bought cheap aftermarket accessories for it. I've looked at the market prices for late D4's , so offer it to me realistically and go buy your LC200....then two people can become very happy. simples.

[V8Ian]

I think he spent more time on his post than on a pre-purchase look-see. [biggrin]

[Jojo]

Funnily enough, when reading your post about your dissatisfaction with your Discovery, it reminds me of a similar letter I was writing to Land Rover after the purchase of my Discovery, almost 25 years ago. Like you, I was deeply annoyed and frustrated about having purchased a vehicle with a plethora of faults and obvious problems (including a gearbox failure at rather low mileage and age). Now, decades later, I still own the truck and several other vehicles of similar age from the same manufacturer.
With other words: take a deep breath, mate, you'll get over it. And if you still are disappointed with the choice of your vehicle, put it on sale and invest the revenue in a Series truck and enjoy the daily smile on your lips ever since.
Just my 2c...
Cheers

[rangieman]

Troll.
Not quite it Seems
His profile Joined date 10th of May
Took a while to work the gut`s up to post his Trivial BS:Rolling:

[cuppabillytea]

Not a Troll.....A troll would have been back to have a crack at each of us. Then he would ask " What is your quest" and What is your favourite colour?" and other perplexing questions that we have no answer for.

[Arch]

Trolls come in all shapes and sizes these days, depending on their intelligence they use a range of techniques as well.

[carjunkieanon]

Not a Troll.....A troll would have been back to have a crack at each of us. Then he would ask " What is your quest" and What is your favourite colour?" and other perplexing questions that we have no answer for.

That wasn't a troll that asked those questions. It was the old man from scene 23!

[PeterOZ]

WOW! Can I sell you a harbour bridge? Trust me you don't need to do any homework on it, I'll even throw in a GPS [bighmmm]

How about we swap you the loveloy D4 for a Prius? Probably more your style then you can cruise around with a smug grin, sipping a latte while you twirl your man bun. [bawl]

Good grief sell the D4 to somebody who appreciates the vehcile and you can sod off and hopefull stop wasting oxygen here. [bigwhistle]

[DiscoJeffster]

Lucky he didn’t buy a Defender. Looking forward to post no.2.....

With his clear level of investment upfront before purchase, maybe he actually IS driving a Defender but hasn’t worked that out yet [emoji23]

Who in their right mind spends that sort of money on a car they find ugly and boxy? This surely is a ****-take.

This post says a lot more about the fool posting than the car.

[PeterOZ]

With his clear level of investment upfront before purchase, maybe he actually IS driving a Defender but hasn’t worked that out yet [emoji23]

Who in their right mind spends that sort of money on a car they find ugly and boxy? This surely is a ****-take.

This post says a lot more about the fool posting than the car.

probably a troll with a rav4 wishing he had a D4. [biggrin] [bigrolf][bigwhistle]

[Bytemrk]

Certainly Interesting that he has not been back on the site since he posted his "issues". [bighmmm]

[cuppabillytea]

That wasn't a troll that asked those questions. It was the old man from scene 23!
But he had a bridge.and was very uncooperative... Oh and not nice.

[Ean Austral]

Certainly Interesting that he has not been back on the site since he posted his "issues". [bighmmm]

Do you blame him . He's copped a fair old roasting [bighmmm]


Cheers Ean

[Bytemrk]

Do you blame him . He's copped a fair old roasting [bighmmm]


Cheers Ean

Normally I'd agree.... but he's not logged on to see the roasting yet...[wink11]

[PeterOZ]

I'd say he deserved it.

Should we send him a "Are you ok" [biggrin]

Kept us amused for a bit anyway.

[jonesy63]

I feel sorry for the guy - he's still driving around Perth trying to find a street!

Don't worry - he'll run out of fuel shortly and be back online after that.
[biggrin]

[DiscoJeffster]

I feel sorry for the guy - he's still driving around Perth trying to find a street!

Don't worry - he'll run out of fuel shortly and be back online after that.
[biggrin]

Yeah because Perth is just so unwieldy.

The only one I’ll give him, and all car makers have been guilty of this (until Android and Apple Car Play) is poorly designed sat nav - either hard to use or out of date with no easy or reasonably priced update options.

[PerthDisco]

Reads very much like an Englishman telling a Frenchman all the faults of France.

[drowell]

Let's be brutally honest - My D4 has looks only a mother could love. Especially after the stuff I've put her through. Love her to bits. No other car I'd rather own.

[pprass]

If the OP is genuine about the basically trivial "problems" that he has with his D4, then I think I can guess what spurred him on to make such a public declaration - HIS CRUISER LOVING "FRIENDS"!

I bet that his Toyo friends would have ribbed him about this and that and why buy an "unreliable" car etc - and so he has had to find menial fault and make a public declaration to save face.

If he just let his mates have a drive of the D4 for 10 minutes they may understand why he bought one (even though it appears that he doesn't himself [bigsad])

Peter

[slug_burner]

I thought it was a genuine post which is a cut and paste of his email to Landrover. I accept that we don’t all have the same criteria when selecting our vehicles and our expectations.

I’d be happy to buy the vehicle from the OP, I’ll accept it with the listed faults and deficiencies. If only all my problems were as serious as the ones listed.

[JonW]

Toyota Fanboi. Ever ridden in a 200 series? They are large and truckish.

Perhaps you misunderstand the intent of the vehicle. Maybe you be better off with a BMW X5 or an Audi Q7.

Anyhow, we love them so that is what counts.

[Ecopix]

Well I'm with Ljwilson1.But my beef is with my '95 Defender 130 truck, which I drive all over Australia and have been doing so for the last ten years. Landrover put such a puny odometer in it that it will only go to 999,999km. What were Landrover thinking?