Anyone had an early 90's Classic for sale

[DoubleChevron]

Some bloody women wiped mine out at a round-a-bout. She didn't slow, didn't brake, didn't give way ............ Didn't even seem to notice there was an intersection there. I managed to steer up onto the round-a-bout as much as possible so I didn't T bone her dead centre. But the poor old Rangie will effeminately be a writeoff as it's market value is so low :(

Damn it ... that bloody car was a brilliant heap of ****. First time in I've been in an accident since I've got my license (25 years).

seeya,
Shane L

[p38arover]

But the poor old Rangie will effeminately be a writeoff

Well, that's nice isn't it - calling the Rangie unmanly!? [bigsad] :bat:

Glad you're OK Shane.

[DoubleChevron]

Well, that's nice isn't it - calling the Rangie unmanly!? [bigsad] :bat:

Glad you're OK Shane.

That will teach me for using the spell checker :) ... Yeah, the kids were in the car too. I wasn't going fast, but I stll gave her car a decent hit. She admitted fault as soon as I went over to see if she was ok "I'm sorry, I didn't see you ...". I don't think she saw the actual intersection itself ( up a slight hill/crest at night). She is a local though and should have known to slow and check .... No-one is hurt, that is all that matters.

I am going to need another Rangie though. That one was a brilliant heap of ****.

seeya,
Shane L.

[PhilipA]

I know you love RRCs and I did also BUT IMHO look at a Disco 2 V8 .
Now so cheap, and are MUCH more reliable than an RRC.
There is more than 10 years worth of advances from a RRC to a D2 yet the D2 still has the basic structure of an RRC eg solid axles, windscreen, Doors, but as well has much more room in the load area and a much more solid rear structure particularly around the rear door.
They don't ride as well as an RRC but IMHO that is about the only negative.

Regards Philip A

[bee utey]

D2's don't age as well as a Classic, too much plastic crap to fail and too many dodgy circuit boards and relays. Nothing beats the simplicity of a good RRC (fitted with a LT230) for pottering about in the bush.

[p38arover]

I'd have concerns about a D2 V8 engine which is the same as a P38A 4.0

[DoubleChevron]

I'm not really interested in Discos ... A friend has a low milage TD5 Disco II with a blown gearbox sitting in his drive .................... But I just don't have any enthusiasm for them.

I've had a good look aroudn at all the Rangies for sale. Everything below $5000 looks liek a "restoration project" rather than a reliable driver like mine was. I might have to move all the good bits to the "parts car" here and register it. My parts car is in nicer nick than a lot of the Classics for sale ........ But its in a lot of bits. I'll need the insurance company to write my car off and get it back to me so I can move the missing bits back over (unless I find something nicer in the meantime).

seeya,
Shane L.

[PhilipA]

D2's don't age as well as a Classic, too much plastic crap to fail and too many dodgy circuit boards and relays. Nothing beats the simplicity of a good RRC (fitted with a LT230) for pottering about in the bush.


Well yes the plastics are crap, but cheap and some good replacements are now being made like the Malaysian plenum cover.
I have lost one bit in 5 years, a B pillar cover which blew off, probably from someone pushing the car by it. Outback 1 sold me one cheap.The A pillar covers can be sikaflexed on.
An early 90s RRC has a Borg Warner which will do a rear output shaft at 200KK.14CUX is nowhere near as good as Motronic and D2 generally has Bosch electrics. The awful Magneto Marelli alternator in a 90s RRC has to be replaced by Bosch. Get the wheels wet on an RRC and you are usually up for new bearings, and the steering is crap compared to D2 which has zero offset. The swivels leak all the time.
Traction control reduces the need for lockers. I haven't had a relay or circuit board fault in 5 years.

The 4.0L engines do have problems which should have been fixed by now , but so does the 3.9 which the poms regard as the worst of the lot. They are exactly the same in bore and stroke. 4.0 vs 3.9 is marketing and was introduced because the Jeep Cherokee had a 4.0 litre engine. Don't EVER overheat either and they usually last.

A lot of 38As were overheated when new as LR tried out about 4 or 5 different designs of top radiator hose because the hose was higher than the radiator and caused air locks. I witnessed this myself on a trip when a 38A blew off its top hose .
A lot of 38A problems arose from that

Regards Philip A

[bee utey]

Another major benefit of the Classic is the readily available pool of cheap spare parts courtesy of compatible D1 and defender parts. All later V8 engines are backwards compatible with the 3.9 so if you score a rebuilt 4.0 or 4.6 it just drops in with just a few hours work swapping non engine block bits. And apart from the ECU every other electronic part can be swapped out with reliable brand parts or deleted and it'll still go. And with a 300Tdi conversion or LPG you don't even have to rely on the ECU.

But if you think that electronic acronyms increase your driving pleasure who am I to argue! [bigrolf]

[DoubleChevron]

Another major benefit of the Classic is the readily available pool of cheap spare parts courtesy of compatible D1 and defender parts. All later V8 engines are backwards compatible with the 3.9 so if you score a rebuilt 4.0 or 4.6 it just drops in with just a few hours work swapping non engine block bits. And apart from the ECU every other electronic part can be swapped out with reliable brand parts or deleted and it'll still go. And with a 300Tdi conversion or LPG you don't even have to rely on the ECU.

But if you think that electronic acronyms increase your driving pleasure who am I to argue! [bigrolf]

Yeah the guys at work asked were talking about my "old car" ...... Bloody old .... gee's. I told them its the newest car I've ever owned ( come to think of it, everything modern bores the **** out of me)...... "1992 is new" I claim ................... So they said "Was anyone here born in 1992" ......................... Yep, they sure put me in my place [bighmmm][bighmmm] .. the then exclaimed "not me"

[350RRC]

Yeah the guys at work asked were talking about my "old car" ...... Bloody old .... gee's. I told them its the newest car I've ever owned ( come to think of it, everything modern bores the **** out of me)...... "1992 is new" I claim ................... So they said "Was anyone here born in 1992" ......................... Yep, they sure put me in my place [bighmmm][bighmmm] .. the then exclaimed "not me"

I have no cost salvage rights with the Shannons policy for my POS. You don't have that?

Sure a RRC can be 'written off' just by denting a couple of metallic painted panels but the reality is they usually can be rebuilt.

Is it a statuary write off (like bent chassis) or just sum insured vs cost of repairs?

An option is just putting another body on the same chassis if it just a cost write off. The bodies didn't have a VIN till about 1993. Just a colour change with Vicroads.

Can you you buy the wreck? Just some thoughts Shane.

DL

[DoubleChevron]

I have no cost salvage rights with the Shannons policy for my POS. You don't have that?

Sure a RRC can be 'written off' just by denting a couple of metallic painted panels but the reality is they usually can be rebuilt.

Can you you buy the wreck?

DL

I intend too... it'll be quicker and easier to move its driveline to another vehicle than change and repaint all the bolt ons. we have the front munched, bonnet, front panel, front left guard. I took at the rear quater as it span around .... the two doors have minor dents. So I'd need to change quite few panels. The inner guard has pushed over and munched the radiator tank (otherwise I would have just driven home).

Its comprehensively insure through shannons ... but only for $3,000. I intend to keep it. I'll convince them to leave it registered and not WOVR it if I can.

seeya
Shane L.

[Homestar]

Why are you cliaming through your insurance if it was her fault? Tell her insurance company to fix your car.

[dungarover]

I'm not really interested in Discos ... A friend has a low milage TD5 Disco II with a blown gearbox sitting in his drive .................... But I just don't have any enthusiasm for them.

I've had a good look aroudn at all the Rangies for sale. Everything below $5000 looks liek a "restoration project" rather than a reliable driver like mine was. I might have to move all the good bits to the "parts car" here and register it. My parts car is in nicer nick than a lot of the Classics for sale ........ But its in a lot of bits. I'll need the insurance company to write my car off and get it back to me so I can move the missing bits back over (unless I find something nicer in the meantime).

seeya,
Shane L.

Most Rangies are overpriced for what they are but it's a supply and demand market, since RRC's are becoming a lot less common than they were a few years ago they go for more money. I seen a couple of decent ones on gumtree for about $2k (that's what I paid for my 92, same as yours except in maroon) but a lot are worth over $5K are not worth that. Lot of sellers are taking the **** IMO but some poor bastard will pay too much. Good early 90's RRC range from a grand to about $4k, unless it's exceptionally tidy or very low kms (seen a really low km 93 Vogue for sale on car sales for close to $40k, had to check twice thought I was having a nightmare!!)

Hope you can save yours, you would be better off as long as there's no structural damage to the chassis, firewall etc..

Trav

[DoubleChevron]

Why are you cliaming through your insurance if it was her fault? Tell her insurance company to fix your car.

I pay thousands of $$$ in insurance every year..... Why would I want to go through the hassle of chasing someone elses insurance company and wasting months of my life trying to get them to write it off for more than $500 ....... If I put in a claim through shannons, it should be repaired or written off pretty quickly! .... and if I try to follow up on it, I can ring up, and an aussie will answer the phone, without sitting in queue for any length of time

seeya,
Shane L.

[Meccles]

Sorry to hear of the accident good you’re all ok. That’s the main thing. Me - I’d be thinking I’ve had two “ incidents” and all walked away. Do you believe in things running in three’s? Just saying be careful for a while.

[DoubleChevron]

Sorry to hear of the accident good you’re all ok. That’s the main thing. Me - I’d be thinking I’ve had two “ incidents” and all walked away. Do you believe in things running in three’s? Just saying be careful for a while.

well I've been driving since I was 12years old .... and other than someone running up my bum when I was 18years old .... I've never been in an accident. Yes, I've been really lucky..... I just can't work out why people want to crash into such an ugly fortified looking 4wd [bighmmm] A lot of people have crashed into it carparks (into its bullbar and rear ARB bar show signs of many colours of paint. I've watched several people drive into its bullbar while I'm standing beside the car .... I don't get it .... can't they tell just by looking at it, its the equivalent of driving into a stationary freight train ).

seeya,
Shane L.

[Mercguy]

Shane,
PM me.

[DoubleChevron]

well I've been driving since I was 12years old .... and other than someone running up my bum when I was 18years old .... I've never been in an accident. Yes, I've been really lucky..... I just can't work out why people want to crash into such an ugly fortified looking 4wd [bighmmm] A lot of people have crashed into it carparks (into its bullbar and rear ARB bar show signs of many colours of paint. I've watched several people drive into its bullbar while I'm standing beside the car .... I don't get it .... can't they tell just by looking at it, its the equivalent of driving into a stationary freight train ).

seeya,
Shane L.

Well I urge all of you guys to have a look at the Rangie market. You may find your way under-insured. I'm thinking my ****boxes replacement value is around $6500 + RW costs + registration + transfer etc.....

The towie came and towed it away today (so hopefully I'll hear soon from the insurance company). He told me while I was in the cab filling out the paperwork, the police carted the other driver off in a divvie 'van ...... So it looks like I was taken out by a drink driver ..... groan ....

seeya,
Shane L.

[Homestar]

I pay thousands of $$$ in insurance every year..... Why would I want to go through the hassle of chasing someone elses insurance company and wasting months of my life trying to get them to write it off for more than $500 ....... If I put in a claim through shannons, it should be repaired or written off pretty quickly! .... and if I try to follow up on it, I can ring up, and an aussie will answer the phone, without sitting in queue for any length of time

seeya,
Shane L.

Because you have a much better chance of getting it repaired as it wasn't your fault - I've had the same thing happen some years ago and I forced the other parties insurance to conduct a repair more than $2K more than its value, but it can be a long shot. your call in the end - it's a pretty ****ty situation - I hope you find something to replace it.

[PhilipA]

BUT i think OP was making the point that no insurance for other driver if she was drunk.
Then you have to sue the individual.
Regards Philip A

[DoubleChevron]

Sorry to hear of the accident good you’re all ok. That’s the main thing. Me - I’d be thinking I’ve had two “ incidents” and all walked away. Do you believe in things running in three’s? Just saying be careful for a while.

Did you jinx me :bat:

I'm having a very, er, "exciting" time driving this week.


Last night coming home after dropping one of the kids off at guides I head back home .... There was poeple waiting at dancemakers to pull out... This is a big house on the main highway between Ballarat and Bunninyong the women waiting looked straight at me and pulled out ........


Now if it was a 60km/h zone ... I would have just braked, so she had enough time to cross my lane (she was turning right) ... However it's a 100km/h zone. I didn't even have a chance to hit the horn.... I just stood the bloody car on its nose and veered off the road to try and let her get across ( luckily she was so god damn stupid she didn't realise what she'd done .... Otherwise she would have panic'd and stopped infront of me). The brake pedal gave my foot a nice massage either way. The poogoe 407 lives to see another day.


Then today I whipped into J&D auto paints in my lunch hour. I head down albert street and move to the inside lane to go around a crusty old Campervan that was doing about 45km/h ..... My front doors are level with the back of them when it veers across my lane and does a U turn infront of me. The two old dears sitting in the front seats looked most startled to see a vintage Citroen with smoke billowing off its front tyres .... and two wheels up on the road divider as they ambled across the front of me..... Sigh.....


So after I grab petrol at APCO in skipton street on the way back to work .... I watch in amazement as a car drives the wrong way down the road and stops infront of ALDI.... ( the same divided duel carriage way the camper tried to take me out on 20minutes earlier) Anyway, As I drive past this car .... The old dear (that must have been in her 90s) ... surges forward toward me, then slams on the brakes .... just as she's about the hit the doors on the poor old Citroen ( I guess she didn't see me .... or the car behind me .... or the car infront of me ........ or the car in the lane beside me). She must have driven down albert street, got to the round-a-bout, not known what to do, so did a Uturn and went back the wrong way .... found all the cars coming at her head on ... and panic'd .... and pulled infront of ALDI ..... Then tried to pull back into the traffic by almost driving into the side of me. I wonder what the 5minute drive home will bring.


I guess the biggest question is ... I wonder if that little old lady ever got back home... I hope someone stopped her and took her keys away.


seeya,
Shane L.

[Mercguy]

Leave the cars at home Shane and walk tomorrow. It might just save your life.

[DoubleChevron]

Leave the cars at home Shane and walk tomorrow. It might just save your life.

Bloody hell ..... You are trying to jinx me :(


My daughter wanted to go through the firetrails and dodge kangeroos to go to school this morning. She is concerned someone is going to crash into the car as everytime we leave the house, someone/something tries to kill the car.

For the first time in two weeks we didn't have kangaroos jump across the road............ Shame about the women in the pretend **** tank that came hurtling out of the side street 100metres short of the school carpark ..... Without looking........ So once again I stood the bloody car on it's nose ..... There must be so many flat spots on the tyres now ... .that they are almost round again.... The women was most apologetic when we pulled up in the carpark beside her though .... She "forgot" to look apparently. There's no point painting my car bright pink and putting flashing lights ontop if no moron in this town even bothers to look in the first place.... I think I might buy a heavy rigid truck ... with a nice big bullbar and allow natural selection to work its magic.

seeya
Shane L.

[DoubleChevron]

I have no cost salvage rights with the Shannons policy for my POS. You don't have that?

Sure a RRC can be 'written off' just by denting a couple of metallic painted panels but the reality is they usually can be rebuilt.

Is it a statuary write off (like bent chassis) or just sum insured vs cost of repairs?

An option is just putting another body on the same chassis if it just a cost write off. The bodies didn't have a VIN till about 1993. Just a colour change with Vicroads.

Can you you buy the wreck? Just some thoughts Shane.

DL

Shannons has come good in a record time. They are just bloody brilliant to deal with. They have obviously flagged the car as a total loss. The car is being returned to me registered and not on the WOVR so I can repair it as requested. I was sent an email saying the cheque is processed on its way for the policy amount.

If I wan't to re-insure through shannons i just need to get the repaired car inspected (no doubt just an ID check to make sure I haven't done the dodgy) and they will re-insure it.

I've spent the last week prepping the other body for paint.... Give me a few weeks and I should have the old girl back on the road with fresh paint and everything else i find that is required along the way.

This time I'm insuring it for the $8->10,000 range.

seeya,
shane L.

[dungarover]

That's good news Shane. I used to have a Rangie insured with Shannons 20 years ago but left as I got a better deal through Suncorp at the time (I was a apprentice so every $$ I could save was important) but was more than happy with them for an insurance company. For classic cars they are the best to deal with many people have told me.

Trav

[350RRC]

Shannons has come good in a record time. They are just bloody brilliant to deal with. They have obviously flagged the car as a total loss. The car is being returned to me registered and not on the WOVR so I can repair it as requested. I was sent an email saying the cheque is processed on its way for the policy amount.

If I wan't to re-insure through shannons i just need to get the repaired car inspected (no doubt just an ID check to make sure I haven't done the dodgy) and they will re-insure it.

I've spent the last week prepping the other body for paint.... Give me a few weeks and I should have the old girl back on the road with fresh paint and everything else i find that is required along the way.

This time I'm insuring it for the $8->10,000 range.

seeya,
shane L.

A good news story! Looking forward to seeing the pics.

cheers, DL

[Baggy]

Hi Shane,

Great to see things have turned out OK thus far ....

My poor wife was hit by an old lady going backwards.

Evidently .... she had one of those knob attachments like you have on a fork lift fitted to the steering wheel, locked it on full lock got
panicked .... put it in reverse ...foot slipped off brake and hit the accelerator ..... was going out of control down a side street backwards for nearly the whole street.

Hit a brick privacy wall off a corner house and ricocheted off and T Boned my wife's Territory who was travelling on a normally busy main road in the suburbs.

Knocked the Territory to the other side of the road ... onto the verge between a concrete power pole (large) and an old concrete bus stop (think Flintstones) style.

When the neighbors came out into the street they only saw a Honda Getz in the middle of the road .... It was the driver in front of my wife who pulled up to assist her that
alerted them she was there ... he said if he was 5 seconds later it would have been him .... no one saw her coming.

The luckiest of things .... If it hadn't been early Saturday morning (8.00 am ish) ... less traffic she would have been knocked into oncoming traffic (head on) and looking at where she
landed ... it was a miracle she missed both (power pole and bus stop) as you couldn't in normal instances pull in between them at slow speed let alone at 70 kms.

I'm going to revisit my Rangies policy with Shannon.

Please keep us informed on the Rangies progress ....

Baggy

[DoubleChevron]

Hi Shane,

Great to see things have turned out OK thus far ....

My poor wife was hit by an old lady going backwards.

Evidently .... she had one of those knob attachments like you have on a fork lift fitted to the steering wheel, locked it on full lock got
panicked .... put it in reverse ...foot slipped off brake and hit the accelerator ..... was going out of control down a side street backwards for nearly the whole street.

Hit a brick privacy wall off a corner house and ricocheted off and T Boned my wife's Territory who was travelling on a normally busy main road in the suburbs.

Knocked the Territory to the other side of the road ... onto the verge between a concrete power pole (large) and an old concrete bus stop (think Flintstones) style.

When the neighbors came out into the street they only saw a Honda Getz in the middle of the road .... It was the driver in front of my wife who pulled up to assist her that
alerted them she was there ... he said if he was 5 seconds later it would have been him .... no one saw her coming.

The luckiest of things .... If it hadn't been early Saturday morning (8.00 am ish) ... less traffic she would have been knocked into oncoming traffic (head on) and looking at where she
landed ... it was a miracle she missed both (power pole and bus stop) as you couldn't in normal instances pull in between them at slow speed let alone at 70 kms.

I'm going to revisit my Rangies policy with Shannon.

Please keep us informed on the Rangies progress ....

Baggy

:o :o :o

She is ok ... that is all that matters. I figure its not worth stressing about accidents. Sure if they'd wiped out one of my classic cars .... I"d be massively ****ed off.... But if you and your family walks away unharmed..... Well nothing else in the world really matters.

Insurance, this is what is for. Though on low value cars, getting another roadworthy and registered will eat up 80% of the insured value :(

seeya,
Shane L.

[Bradtot]

My 89 Rangie always been insured with shannons for the last 10 years it was around 18 k agreed value but has come down to about 12 k present day...[bigsmile1]

[Baggy]

Hi All

Just a footnote to Shane's post re Insurance for my 92 Classic.

I bought her about 18 months .... maybe 2 years ago and have it insured with Shannons.

I could only insure it for purchase price around $1,800.00c but with Shane's unfortunate accident I made an inquiry over the phone with them after his post.

I explained I've been tidying her up ... replaced missing bumper and bumper ends, replaced wheels, dark tinted windows etc etc and Shannons were happy to
increase insurance value to $4,000.00c sight unseen without increasing my premium.

Very happy with that ..... and again shows the value the discussions in this forum can be.


Cheers

Baggy

[DoubleChevron]

Well done! I'm going to try for 8->$10k .... I forward photos of its rebuild. I don't give two hoots about its value. Its just to stop them writing the damn thing off to easily if anything happens to it again ................... Its worth a try!

seeya,
Shane L.

[Justinb]

Shane,
shannons are brilliant. You’ve driven my 300 Tdi converted Vogue LSE. After all the effort and money put into that conversion, they where happy with an agreed value of $15k. Last year a tree branch fell on the roof and scratched the side panel and bonnet . The repair quote was $9800 and they honoured it without question. I’ve got 6 cars with them including a track car I’ve insured with them for 25 years. Couple of claims here & there ( only minor until last year ) ,never a problem

[1950landy]

With shannons they insure your vehocle for the price payed for 1st year than you can contact them & insure for agreed value . I just did that with my s1 & 1984 BMW. no problems & did it over the phone took about 5 minuts.

[Vern]

Shane,
shannons are brilliant. You’ve driven my 300 Tdi converted Vogue LSE. After all the effort and money put into that conversion, they where happy with an agreed value of $15k. Last year a tree branch fell on the roof and scratched the side panel and bonnet . The repair quote was $9800 and they honoured it without question. I’ve got 6 cars with them including a track car I’ve insured with them for 25 years. Couple of claims here & there ( only minor until last year ) ,never a problemHmmm may be i should insure my isuzu powered and heavily modded LSE soft dash with them, and park it under a really big tree, in a storm. [emoji6]

[Mick_Marsh]

Shannons has come good in a record time. They are just bloody brilliant to deal with. They have obviously flagged the car as a total loss. The car is being returned to me registered and not on the WOVR so I can repair it as requested. I was sent an email saying the cheque is processed on its way for the policy amount.I wish that had been my experience.
Sadly, not.