Payload HSE vs SE

[Disconath]

Hi all. First post but frequent visitor reading up on Discovery 3's.

I am in the market for a D3 TDV6 as they are one of the only 7 seaters that can tow a decent weight and carry a good payload. I have an off road caravan with 3 kids and gear and the "legal" payload gets eaten up pretty quick when touring.

I hope someone can shed some light on the payload and Kerb differences - sorry if it has been raised before but I have searched here and Google.

The HSE shows
Tare 2442kg
Kerb 2718kg
Gross 3230kg
Payload 512kg (not enough)

Whereas the SE shows
Tare 2416kg
Kerb 2494kg
Gross 3230kg
Payload 736kg

I always thought Tare was an empty car with only 10lt of fuel and Kerb included only a full tank of fuel. No passengers etc.

Thanks and hopefully be back with a D3 in the garage.

Nathan

[grey_ghost]

Hi mate,

I can’t answer your question - but the HSE is a higher specification vehicle, so I am guessing that it’s heavier. Eg I assume that the HSE has things like memory seats, rear aircon, more speakers, rear DVD, etc - and it all adds up!
Just a guess though!

[weeds]

I well documented on here that towball weight doesn’t need to come off or impact your tare....er do search.

Either way if your towing the D3 or D4 doesn’t impact like every other make and model out there.

It’s also a big discussion point how many 4WD easily exceed GVM...I certainly do when I’m touring in the hi-lux

[cripesamighty]

I will have to dig through my D3 manual to check, but I’m pretty sure Land Rover’s empty weight includes a tank of fuel and 75kg driver. The variance in payload is due to the accessories the vehicle gets fitted with from factory. If you want to see scary, check out the Range Rover Vogues that have a 390kg payload or less! By the way, good choice in vehicle for touring. Mind you I am biased in that I have a D3 SE too!

[gavinwibrow]

Hi all. First post but frequent visitor reading up on Discovery 3's.

I am in the market for a D3 TDV6 as they are one of the only 7 seaters that can tow a decent weight and carry a good payload. I have an off road caravan with 3 kids and gear and the "legal" payload gets eaten up pretty quick when touring.

I hope someone can shed some light on the payload and Kerb differences - sorry if it has been raised before but I have searched here and Google.

The HSE shows
Tare 2442kg
Kerb 2718kg
Gross 3230kg
Payload 512kg (not enough)

Whereas the SE shows
Tare 2416kg
Kerb 2494kg
Gross 3230kg
Payload 736kg

I always thought Tare was an empty car with only 10lt of fuel and Kerb included only a full tank of fuel. No passengers etc.

Thanks and hopefully be back with a D3 in the garage.

Nathan

In addition to the info already provided, your problem arises with the GVM (Gross 3230kg), which you will note is the same for both variants; I think set by the manufacturer for all variants within the model, and not able to be otherwise changed within variants of that model.
In other words, the more you load up the vehicle with accessories, mods etc, the less your payload becomes, because without engineered increases (like Toyota currently, but maybe for not much longer, can do), the GVM/Gross cannot be increased (and I've never heard of any recent LR engineered increases anyway, unless you are talking way out there like 6 wheelers etc.

Hope this helps

[Disconath]

I well documented on here that towball weight doesn’t need to come off or impact your tare....er do search.

Either way if your towing the D3 or D4 doesn’t impact like every other make and model out there.

It’s also a big discussion point how many 4WD easily exceed GVM...I certainly do when I’m touring in the hi-lux

I have seen some of the discussions relating to how the towball weight effects the GVM on the D3. I currently have a R51 Pathfinder and it has a sliding scale when hooked up.
A placard on the drivers door indicates when towing:
100kg towball weight equates to 70kg when calculating your payload
150kg equates to 130kg
200kg equates to 200kg
250kg equates to 270kg
300kg equates to 350kg

In theory, I could currently tow "legally" 3000kg with 10% ball weight at 300kg = 350kg. I have a bull bar at 80kg. Tow bar at 35kg. full tank adds 60kg leaving 150kg for a driver. I'm not fatty by any stretch so I wouldn't have enough allowance for a case of beer. Luckily my caravan only has a ball weight of maybe 210kg but still way over the legal limit when touring.
That's why I'm looking at the D3 SE for touring.

[Disconath]

I have seen some of the discussions relating to how the towball weight effects the GVM on the D3. I currently have a R51 Pathfinder and it has a sliding scale when hooked up.
A placard on the drivers door indicates when towing:
100kg towball weight equates to 70kg when calculating your payload
150kg equates to 130kg
200kg equates to 200kg
250kg equates to 270kg
300kg equates to 350kg

In theory, I could currently tow "legally" 3000kg with 10% ball weight at 300kg = 350kg. I have a bull bar at 80kg. Tow bar at 35kg. full tank adds 60kg leaving 150kg for a driver. I'm not fatty by any stretch so I wouldn't have enough allowance for a case of beer. Luckily my caravan only has a ball weight of maybe 210kg but still way over the legal limit when touring.
That's why I'm looking at the D3 SE for touring.

Maths error - 105kg for a driver.

[IndusD4]

Luckily my caravan only has a ball weight of maybe 210kg but still way over the legal limit when touring.

This being the case, then 60kg of the 210kg ball weight would have to come off your payload with a D3/D4/D5. Any tow ball weight up to 150kg does not have to be deducted, just the weight over the 150kg.

Ron

[twr7cx]

These figures do highlight the disconnect between the legal stated figures and the reality of what's going on out there. I'd suggest it would be a very very high number that are overloaded when out and about touring as the reality is that the rated load capability of these vehicles is not sufficient for what most of us are doing. It's still being done though. So are the figures low to protect the manufacturers or are they really the upper safe limit and many are just lucky in getting away with it without issue?

I have a D2a HSE and I imagine with the accessories and modifications it's near legal payload limit when the family and dogs are in it without baggage or towing.

[Disconath]

I did consider a 6.5 diesel Suburban but probably not that good a car for suburban car parks and peak hour traffic. They do sound good though.

My Parents, being Grey Nomads, use a Mazda BT50 to tow their off road caravan. Even then they are border line when they head up to Karumba. My dad is quite clear when he states most of the others up there are well over their GCM and GVM, even driving their 100 and 200 series cruisers.
Who thinks the insurance companies wouldn't use this as an out for any insurance claim?

[rocket rod]

This article does not stipulate a Land Rover but it's an interesting read.

Why most modern UTE tow ratings are bulls#!t - CLUB 4X4 (https://www.club4x4.com.au/modern-ute-tow-ratings-bullst/)

[weeds]

This article does not stipulate a Land Rover but it's an interesting read.

Why most modern UTE tow ratings are bulls#!t - CLUB 4X4 (https://www.club4x4.com.au/modern-ute-tow-ratings-bullst/)

That’s the best breakdown I’ve seen....and they do mention the 130 but didn’t break it down as it’s not longer available, I’m guessing he is using figures for the current models

[Disconath]

Thanks for the replies.
I would anticipate the HSE would be heavier with more goodies but, I would have thought that would an increase in the Tare not the Kerb. End of the day though, it will impact the allowable payload so looks like the SE for me.

Thanks again


Hi mate,

I can’t answer your question - but the HSE is a higher specification vehicle, so I am guessing that it’s heavier. Eg I assume that the HSE has things like memory seats, rear aircon, more speakers, rear DVD, etc - and it all adds up!
Just a guess though!

[discomatt69]

Don't forget that Land Rover have a list a mile long for optional extras so a standard HSE doesn't have that much more than SE and its not until its a V8 or fully specked that it would make a huge difference.
For example a standard HSE only has 11 speakers, upgrade is 17, standard has no head rest screen, no heated or cooled seats, no console fridge and the list goes on