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LRD414
10th September 2018, 10:14 PM
I recently completed a round trip with my wife that included two crossings of the Simpson Desert, partly solo and partly with another couple in a Defender.
Overall the trip was amazing and I’m very happy to say virtually incident free for the D4. Some of the details may be of interest to other D3/D4 owners.

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Fuel economy
96L for 628km Birdsville to Jervois Station via QAA and Hay River Track
99L for 603km Mt Dare to Birdsville via French/Rig/WAA/Knolls/Poeppel/QAA

Both legs included a couple of runs up Big Red. The west-east route involved more dune crossing in comparison hence the increased fuel consumption but I was still pretty impressed with 16.4L/100km. The hardest sections of dunes saw up to 22L/100 for short periods but mostly the dune crossing was around 20L/100. The Defender we travelled with for the return crossing used around 105L.

Setup
There was a few changes compared to any other trip due to the extra fuel and water required, including temporary removal of the 3rd row and 2nd row seats, which reduced weight by 115kg.
I took the Drifta rear drawer & fridge slide unit I already had and made a ply platform for the second row space.
Third row space under the drawers stored most of the tools and spares while under the second row platform stored the main water bladder, air compressor and a few things that didn’t fit in the rear drawers. We slept in Oztent Bunkers that were stowed on the second row platform. The self-inflating mattresses, sleeping bags and ground mats went on top of the drawers in the back behind a Trav-all cargo barrier.

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For fuel I carried 4 jerry cans; two on the rear wheel carrier and two equivalent (4x10L) on the roof rack.
If I was doing a similar trip again I would only take three jerry cans.

For water I carried 55L bladder under the platform and 2x20L bags plus a 10L plastic container for in camp.
If I was doing a similar trip again (& also in winter) I would leave one of the 20L water bags out and replace the 10L container with a 5L one.

The hitch-mounted rear wheel carrier worked out really well, kept the second spare off the roof and carried half the extra fuel.
It was rock solid even after all the corrugated roads and bouncing around over dunes.
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This arrangement meant the roof rack was relatively lightly loaded with 4x10L jerry cans, 4 MaxTraxs, the awning and a small bag.
Using 10L jerrys on the roof also helps keep the centre-of-gravity lower compared to standard ones, as well as being much easier to deal with lifting on & off the roof.
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Tyres - The 265/60/R18 KO2s were about 30% worn so went with them. Handled everything well but one slow leak was sustained coming into Birdsville at the start of the trip from a tiny but very sharp shard of rock that embedded into a tread block and caused a small hole that slow-leaked overnight. Once found it was easily fixed with a vulcanised patch for $45 at the roadhouse (fast, friendly and reasonable price too). The dune areas of the desert are not too hard on tyres but the approaches are savage; gibber plains, stony sections, etc.

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I applied the protective film "Paint Shield" before leaving and was very glad to have it.
The amount of unavoidable extremely harsh scratchy bushes and spinifex was huge especially on the less used tracks we took.
Nothing got through to the paint. Detailed thread here:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/205107-paint-protection-film-has-anyone-used-8.html

Driving technique

Generally the D4 handled the conditions easily, only requiring a second attempt a couple of times when I didn’t quite carry enough momentum. Low range without any terrain response mode seemed to be the most effective way to maintain smooth progress. Manual shifting to third or fourth at the base of medium to large dunes worked well except for those so churned up with wombat holes that second was required. For all dunes the main criteria was to go as slow as possible to keep pitching and rocking to a minimum but this was not really an issue on the less used tracks like WAA. Tyre pressure was reduced once into the softer sand and I found 18/22psi worked well.

Llams was fantastic in many places such as the Chambers Pillar Track, Old Andado Track and heading south from Mt Dare. For the dunes I settled on factory offroad height because speed virtually never got above 35kph but there was a few sections with widely spaced dunes where Llams medium was ideal. I did get an orange suspension error that self-cleared just with an ignition cycle. It was algorithm based and I think occurred because I was using Llams at the time and the articulation was going out of sensor range or varying too often for normal height mode. It was a scenario in which Llams was unnecessary anyway.

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This time Big Red presented no trouble, I dropped to 15psi and drove straight up. It was more difficult when I was there two years ago.
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Accessories I already had for trips and touring:
18” wheels
Llams
rear drawer unit with fridge slide
dual battery
roof rack
uhf
tailgate lighting

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It was a brilliant trip and the D4 was a fantastic way to do it.

Cheers,
Scott

Odysseyman
11th September 2018, 04:16 PM
Great report thanks Scott, excellent and really useful details.
Cheers
David

Spike The Cat
11th September 2018, 06:49 PM
Looking fwd to the video on youtube...........

DiscoJeffster
11th September 2018, 07:22 PM
I
Am
So
Jealous

Arapiles
11th September 2018, 10:34 PM
I
Am
So
Jealous


Ditto.

BobD
11th September 2018, 11:08 PM
I
Am
So
Jealous

Mate, you don't need to be jealous, just get out there and do it. Its only about 5 days to Birdsville from Perth via the Great Central Road and its a great drive, even if you don't do the whole desert and only have a short time available. We did it the first time in a 2 week trip from Perth to Brisbane and back to pick up my Kimberley Karavan and the second time the next year in a three week trip from Perth to Lawn Hill and back via Uluru, Birdsville, Katherine and Kununurra. Even from WA its not that difficult to get to these iconic places. If my son's D1 can do it with us accompanying in the D4, anyone can!

LRD414
12th September 2018, 05:17 PM
.... get out there and do it.
This is why I made a thread. It’s easy to get caught up with all the potential problems when reading forums or not know where to start. I certainly worried a lot about getting stuck in the middle of nowhere. But good preparation and knowledge of the vehicle goes a long way. And for everything else, a sat phone & Visa card will sort it.

Cheers,
Scott

shedmarket
13th September 2018, 08:17 AM
Ditto on the "just get out and do it". Last year we took two weeks to go from Coffs Harbour NSW to Finke for the desert race. Went via Hebel, Innamincka, Walkers Crossing, Warburton and Rig track to Mt Dare then Finke. Came back via Old Andando, Mt Dare and across French Line to Birdsville. Had one stroke of luck, if you want to call it that. Got up Big Red first attempt very easily and in doing a quick u-turn on top to get a photo of the other vehicle with us coming up we hit a soft patch that stopped us dead. Selected reverse and had an almighty clunk and that was where we stayed, broken front left hand drive shaft.

This was the luck, on top of the last sand dune of over a couple of thousand. Towed it down the other side to the road and called road side assist. They paid for our accommodation that night and next morning had the two of us in the car on a plane heading home, via Brisbane the Sydney to Coffs. Even covered the overnight stay in Brisbane and had a hire car waiting for us at the airport in Coffs when we got there. They freighted the vehicle back to Coffs and in exactly a week from the top of Big Red had it back on the road at no cost, deemed mechanical failure so under warranty. If we were even one sand dune further back in the desert it would have been a nightmare.

Anyway, get out there, it is amazing country to see. First time I took the wife down the Birdsville Track she was all "what the hell are we doing out here, there is nothing". Within a few months back it was "I really want to go back".

mike7
13th September 2018, 10:09 AM
Hi Scott,

What a great trip, thanks for the info on fuel usage, I’ll keep those figures handy for my trip.


Cheers
Mike

cucinadio
18th January 2019, 11:48 AM
Awesome write up Scott 👍🏼

Konradical
18th January 2019, 02:19 PM
Hey Scott,

appreciate the write up. Would be keen on getting a copy of your map or notes on where you went.

Also wouldn't mind finding out more about the tyre carrier.

I am hoping to do this trip either this year or next with the same people I did the Canning last year. Was a good trip and seems we can all deal with each other on extended trips.

Cheers

LRD414
19th January 2019, 11:58 AM
Would be keen on getting a copy of your map or notes on where you went.
Links to trip report (including map):
Simpson Desert by D4 (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/multi-state-reports/264486-simpson-desert-d4.html) .... or
https://scotthumphris4.wixsite.com/trips/single-post/2018/09/03/SIMPSON-DESERT-Aug-2018-Part-1 (https://scotthumphris4.wixsite.com/trips/single-post/2018/09/03/SIMPSON-DESERT-Aug-2018-Part-1)


Also wouldn't mind finding out more about the tyre carrier.
It is a Tyre Trek, made in Toowoomba
Tyre Trek, 4WD, Rear Bar, Tyre Carrier, Jerry Can Holder, Tow Bar Mounted Tyre Carrier, Swing Away Mounted Tyre Carrier, 4WD Accessories, Australian Made (https://www.tyretrek.com.au/)

Cheers,
Scott

Turtle60
22nd January 2019, 09:12 PM
Hi Scott. Really great write up and equally impressive photography (what Drone?). That takes time and effort so thanks for sharing. Planning on the same trip in late July so will use your west / east track for our crossing as we are looping from nth Qld via Mt Isa way. Looks like the discovery did well.
Question, we plan to tow a 1.2t camper (serious off road similar to patriot) so do you anticipate and dramas. We are pretty well set up and have a winch, ko2 on compos etc and some practise by doing the cape this year. All other issues were pretty well covered by you. Will get into shield and peel too!
Lastly what’s next for you? Got a few trips under your belt already! Canning stock route perhaps?
Regards
Steve

DiscoMick
22nd January 2019, 10:06 PM
Hi Scott. Really great write up and equally impressive photography (what Drone?). That takes time and effort so thanks for sharing. Planning on the same trip in late July so will use your west / east track for our crossing as we are looping from nth Qld via Mt Isa way. Looks like the discovery did well.
Question, we plan to tow a 1.2t camper (serious off road similar to patriot) so do you anticipate and dramas. We are pretty well set up and have a winch, ko2 on compos etc and some practise by doing the cape this year. All other issues were pretty well covered by you. Will get into shield and peel too!
Lastly what’s next for you? Got a few trips under your belt already! Canning stock route perhaps?
Regards
SteveCan I just comment, as someone who has done The Simpson, that I wouldn't ever attempt to tow anything over those dunes.
I know it has been done, and I have towed campers on beaches, but tall, soft sand dunes are another thing altogether.
Towing a camper would result in repeatedly getting bogged, having to be towed repeatedly and tearing up the tracks, I think.
My preference on routes such as The Simpson is to keep it as light as possible with swags on stretchers under an awning. Hope that is helpful.

de7158
25th January 2019, 01:45 PM
Hi Scott. Really great write up and equally impressive photography (what Drone?). That takes time and effort so thanks for sharing. Planning on the same trip in late July so will use your west / east track for our crossing as we are looping from nth Qld via Mt Isa way. Looks like the discovery did well.
Question, we plan to tow a 1.2t camper (serious off road similar to patriot) so do you anticipate and dramas. We are pretty well set up and have a winch, ko2 on compos etc and some practise by doing the cape this year. All other issues were pretty well covered by you. Will get into shield and peel too!
Lastly what’s next for you? Got a few trips under your belt already! Canning stock route perhaps?
Regards
Steve


Have had five trips (no tow) across the Simpson Desert/Hay River (solo and in convoy).
To quote someone a touch more experienced than me "You can tow a trailer across the desert, but it'll take all the fun out of it" Dave Cox 2015, final week before he left Mt Dare.

Cheers Peter

LRD414
26th January 2019, 11:52 AM
Steve, I personally wouldn’t tow for a crossing like what we did. It will be a struggle over many of the dunes but obviously not impossible. Tyre pressure down very low will be needed. I saw a few numptys churning up the existing holes in the dunes even worse thanks to high tyre pressure and they weren’t towing, so I don’t think it’s fair to solely blame those towing for the damage. But there’s no doubt towing makes it significantly harder. If towing is the only option, get serious about weight minimisation would be my advice.

Cheers,
Scott

JDNSW
26th January 2019, 02:48 PM
My experience of the Simpson goes back nearly sixty years, but I would add my voice to the above; towing is possible, but it will make the whole trip a lot harder and more likely to have trouble, and is something to avoid if at all possible.

Same advice I gave to the Leyland Brothers when I met them on the edge of the Simpson in 1963. It was ignored, and they made extensive use of our workshop facilities in the middle of the Desert.

weeds
26th January 2019, 03:01 PM
Hi Scott. Really great write up and equally impressive photography (what Drone?). That takes time and effort so thanks for sharing. Planning on the same trip in late July so will use your west / east track for our crossing as we are looping from nth Qld via Mt Isa way. Looks like the discovery did well.
Question, we plan to tow a 1.2t camper (serious off road similar to patriot) so do you anticipate and dramas. We are pretty well set up and have a winch, ko2 on compos etc and some practise by doing the cape this year. All other issues were pretty well covered by you. Will get into shield and peel too!
Lastly what’s next for you? Got a few trips under your belt already! Canning stock route perhaps?
Regards
Steve

If you’re set on towing across the Simpson than I wouldn’t follow the sheep on the French line.....depending on which way you cross I’d go Rig Rd and Knolls Track and QAA.

10 years ago I avoided the French line many to keep away from the masses.

Back than the WAA was the choice for those towing.

I come across a patrol towing on Knolls and they said it was a cruise

You have a light weight trailer so that a good start.

Turtle60
26th January 2019, 09:10 PM
If you’re set on towing across the Simpson than I wouldn’t follow the sheep on the French line.....depending on which way you cross I’d go Rig Rd and Knolls Track and QAA.

19 years ago I avoided the French line many to keep away from the masses.

Back than the WAA was the choice for those towing.

I come across a patrol towing on Knolls and they said it was a cruise

You have a light weight trailer so that a good start.

Thanks for the imput and have researched this topic to the Nenth degree. Thats the track for sure and Thats why we have the lightest off road trailer we can get which removes what I think is probably 300 kgs of the back axle but accept we are towing 1.2 tons in total. A mate has just done this trip with an D4 towing a Kimberley van (2T) and had no issue but I accept conditions and tracks can change quickly. But the deal breaker is no camper the wife won’t entertain going. Mmmmm. Nah. I totally agree with the ease of single car camping for travel but everything is a trade off. I think Scott you had a great set up and would do that in a heart beat so all’s not lost yet. Thanks to all for your learned, been there done that, knowledge. Apologies to you Scott if my question derailed what was an excellent post of your adventures. Cheers

weeds
26th January 2019, 09:16 PM
If you’re set on towing across the Simpson than I wouldn’t follow the sheep on the French line.....depending on which way you cross I’d go Rig Rd and Knolls Track and QAA.

10 years ago I avoided the French line many to keep away from the masses.

Back than the WAA was the choice for those towing.

I come across a patrol towing on Knolls and they said it was a cruise

You have a light weight trailer so that a good start.

Edit 10 years ago

DiscoMick
27th January 2019, 10:02 PM
Thanks for the imput and have researched this topic to the Nenth degree. Thats the track for sure and Thats why we have the lightest off road trailer we can get which removes what I think is probably 300 kgs of the back axle but accept we are towing 1.2 tons in total. A mate has just done this trip with an D4 towing a Kimberley van (2T) and had no issue but I accept conditions and tracks can change quickly. But the deal breaker is no camper the wife won’t entertain going. Mmmmm. Nah. I totally agree with the ease of single car camping for travel but everything is a trade off. I think Scott you had a great set up and would do that in a heart beat so all’s not lost yet. Thanks to all for your learned, been there done that, knowledge. Apologies to you Scott if my question derailed what was an excellent post of your adventures. CheersNo worries mate, hope it goes well and the wife is happy. Happy wife = happy life.
My wife swagged on a stretcher (what a trooper!), but now we have a flash camper so we won't be taking that over big dunes.
I think it depends a lot on what traffic has been over the route before you and if it has been dug up by yobbos.

rhinosm
28th January 2019, 07:37 PM
Hi
Just to throw my 2 bobs worth.
I have crossed Simpson twice in D4, 2016 & 2017, both direction and towed both times, second time with Patriot Camper.
Yes, it would be easier without but we managed fine.
I found you needed a lot of momentum to get up difficult dunes, but the trailer also pushed you over crest.
It made some dunes difficult if there was a tight turn at top of dune as trailer wanted to push you straight ahead so you need to be prepared for that, feel what the trailer is doing, so to speak.
The trailer did get thrown around on rough dunes.
All in all, no real issues, just more momentum.

Birdboy
8th April 2019, 09:00 PM
Links to trip report (including map):
Simpson Desert by D4 (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/multi-state-reports/264486-simpson-desert-d4.html) .... or
https://scotthumphris4.wixsite.com/trips/single-post/2018/09/03/SIMPSON-DESERT-Aug-2018-Part-1 (https://scotthumphris4.wixsite.com/trips/single-post/2018/09/03/SIMPSON-DESERT-Aug-2018-Part-1)


It is a Tyre Trek, made in Toowoomba
Tyre Trek, 4WD, Rear Bar, Tyre Carrier, Jerry Can Holder, Tow Bar Mounted Tyre Carrier, Swing Away Mounted Tyre Carrier, 4WD Accessories, Australian Made (https://www.tyretrek.com.au/)

Cheers,
Scott

That Tyre Trek carrier looks brilliant! Can I ask how much it cost?
I assume it blocks the rear sensors and camera?

spfitzy
20th April 2021, 09:19 PM
Hi Scott,

a fantastic report, just the thread I was looking for. We are getting ready now for our trip departing 14th May, our crossing is
Birdsville to Poeppel Corner
Poeppel Corner - Dalhousie Springs
Dalhousie Springs - Mt Dare (refuel)
back to Birdsville via the WWA Line

Reading your report I'm a bit happier regarding fuel consumption as we have the stock standard D4 fuel tank and I have 4x 10 ltr fuel cans to carry on the roof. I'm interested in the water bladder, does it just sit on the floor and is easy to use? and taking the seats out as its only my wife and I so we could lose the 115KG. Are the seats hard to take out?

Cheers
Peter

LRD414
21st April 2021, 02:08 PM
Hi Peter. The bladder is great, easy to use because it’s supplied with a hose and tap as well as breather hose. Just sits on floor on a piece of marine carpet. It is contained/safe because of the platform I installed in place of the seats, no way for bladder to escape. Seats are simple to remove, one at a time, and the platform utilises same bolts.

I would suggest carrying at least 50L in jerrys in case you have to turn back or go further than Mt Dare, like we did last year (thru to Oodnadatta due to road closed to Mt Dare).

See also my build thread in Members Ride section for details.

Cheers,
Scott

TDV6Robvdw
22nd April 2021, 06:52 AM
It was a brilliant trip and the D4 was a fantastic way to do it.

Cheers,
Scott

Great read - trip looked awesome!
Thanks for sharing.

scarry
22nd April 2021, 08:25 AM
I would suggest carrying at least 50L in jerrys in case you have to turn back or go further than Mt Dare, like we did last year (thru to Oodnadatta due to road closed to Mt Dare).



Cheers,
Scott

Yes,I took three so around 60 litres to be sure.I think from memory two would have done.