Series III heater valve

[gromit]

The heater control valve on Australian built Series III's is different to the UK version.
They are still made, for a Ford, but they are about $80 last time I purchased one. You have to take it apart and re-assemble to get it to fit.

Looking through some parts I've collected I came across another valve that's been fitted to a Series III.
Is it just an aftermarket one that someone has fitted in the past ??

Original type on the right.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1851/44562444042_e6999fae01_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2aTQb5J)DSCN4931 (https://flic.kr/p/2aTQb5J) by Colin Radley (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152321353@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1841/42802013830_c33452cc7c_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/28dgvvG)DSCN4930 (https://flic.kr/p/28dgvvG) by Colin Radley (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152321353@N07/), on Flickr

An original in situ.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1894/43703208935_107d529466_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/29zUnqk)DSCN3047 (https://flic.kr/p/29zUnqk) by Colin Radley (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152321353@N07/), on Flickr


Colin

[bee utey]

The left hand tap is a replacement for a slightly later Ford (XA>>) than the metal tap (>>XY) on the right. The metal tap was also used on the P76. None of them lasted for more than a few years before seizing up.

Example metal:

Ford Water Heater Tap XW XY ZC ZD radiator valve Ford Quality | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ford-Water-Heater-Tap-XW-XY-ZC-ZD-radiator-valve-Ford-Quality/272487485664?fits=Plat_Gen%3AXY&hash=item3f718510e0:g:4FIAAOSwaK1bQtjO)

Example plastic:

Heater Tap Valve Ford Falcon XA XB XC Fairlane ZF ZG Fairmont 1972-79 6cy Engine | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Heater-Tap-Valve-Ford-Falcon-XA-XB-XC-Fairlane-ZF-ZG-Fairmont-1972-79-6cy-Engine/130939719538?epid=7005073400&hash=item1e7c9d8f72:g:158AAOSwHn9bj57G)

[gromit]

The left hand tap is a replacement for a slightly later Ford (XA>>) than the metal tap (>>XY) on the right. The metal tap was also used on the P76. None of them lasted for more than a few years before seizing up.

Example metal:

Ford Water Heater Tap XW XY ZC ZD radiator valve Ford Quality | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ford-Water-Heater-Tap-XW-XY-ZC-ZD-radiator-valve-Ford-Quality/272487485664?fits=Plat_Gen%3AXY&hash=item3f718510e0:g:4FIAAOSwaK1bQtjO)

Example plastic:

Heater Tap Valve Ford Falcon XA XB XC Fairlane ZF ZG Fairmont 1972-79 6cy Engine | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Heater-Tap-Valve-Ford-Falcon-XA-XB-XC-Fairlane-ZF-ZG-Fairmont-1972-79-6cy-Engine/130939719538?epid=7005073400&hash=item1e7c9d8f72:g:158AAOSwHn9bj57G)


Thanks bee utey,
Just Googled and eventually found the Ford tap, a lot cheaper than the metal one.
Would make a low cost replacement allowing me to turn off the heater in summer. Mind you, there's not much heat from the heater so it hasn't been a problem so far.....


Colin

[gromit]

Just found that the spring clip that holds the cable to the valve is 1/2 the price of the valve !

The Holden tap has less bracketry Holden HQ HJ HX HZ WB Cable 2 Way Heater Tap | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Holden-HQ-HJ-HX-HZ-WB-Cable-2-Way-Heater-Tap/122501293596?hash=item1c85a5661c:g:G2MAAOSwp6lbeou J)

Cable clip (I think this is the correct one) Holden Cable Clip Heater Tap HJ HX HZ WB LC LJ 9320791267040 | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Holden-Cable-Clip-Heater-Tap-HJ-HX-HZ-WB-LC-LJ/192520232205?hash=item2cd3199d0d:g:PTwAAOSwrsha3tP m)

Still a cheap alternative to the metal valve.

Colin

[bee utey]

There's also the universal straight metal tap, comes supplied with cable clip.

Heater Tap Valve Universal Type Car Hot Rod 16mm (5/8") Cable Type Inline | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Heater-Tap-Valve-Universal-Type-Car-Hot-Rod-16mm-5-8-Cable-Type-Inline/263428621689?hash=item3d5591c579:g:aksAAOSwel5bgXM S)

[gromit]

There's also the universal straight metal tap, comes supplied with cable clip.

Heater Tap Valve Universal Type Car Hot Rod 16mm (5/8") Cable Type Inline | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Heater-Tap-Valve-Universal-Type-Car-Hot-Rod-16mm-5-8-Cable-Type-Inline/263428621689?hash=item3d5591c579:g:aksAAOSwel5bgXM S)

I saw those but I had it stuck in my mind I needed the 90degree one.

The straight one will save trying to get a short angled hose and with a very short straight hose will be 'fixed' to the heater. Might give one of those a try.....

Thanks bee utey


Colin

[gromit]

There's also the universal straight metal tap, comes supplied with cable clip.

Heater Tap Valve Universal Type Car Hot Rod 16mm (5/8") Cable Type Inline | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Heater-Tap-Valve-Universal-Type-Car-Hot-Rod-16mm-5-8-Cable-Type-Inline/263428621689?hash=item3d5591c579:g:aksAAOSwel5bgXM S)

Any idea how the cable on the Ford connects to the pin on the operating arm ?
Was there a fancy clip or a loop in the end of the cable inner ?

Going to get one but just need to work how to connect the cable.


Colin

[bee utey]

Any idea how the cable on the Ford connects to the pin on the operating arm ?
Was there a fancy clip or a loop in the end of the cable inner ?

Going to get one but just need to work how to connect the cable.


Colin

The solid inner core of the operating cable for the straight tap was formed into a 3 turn loop around the round pin. Easy to do with pliers. The 90 degree plastic tap had the wire core formed into a short zigzag.

[cjc_td5]

Thanks bee utey,
Just Googled and eventually found the Ford tap, a lot cheaper than the metal one.
Would make a low cost replacement allowing me to turn off the heater in summer. Mind you, there's not much heat from the heater so it hasn't been a problem so far.....


ColinIf you only want to turn it on or off seasonally, why not just put a plumbing ball valve in the heater hose?

[gromit]

If you only want to turn it on or off seasonally, why not just put a plumbing ball valve in the heater hose?

Nice to have it on for a cold start and then turn off without stopping later in the day.

The inline valve is ordered and I just need to track down a cable because mine was missing. I could put the inline valve in and manually operate until I can find a cable Series III heater controls & dash vents (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/wanted-adverts/264940-series-iii-heater-controls-dash-vents.html)

Next i need to look at my Series I which has had the heater permanently on for the last 11 years.......

Colin

[S3ute]

Hello from Montreal (Brisbane most of the time).

This thread is timely because I happened to reassemble my heater the week before I came away and used one of these metal ‘Ford’ taps from Rare Spares. As noted, the clip that stops the outer cable slipping is missing from the new tap.

I don’t think I still have the original tap and was planning to see if I could find one on a wreck. If anyone has one they are willing to part with then please PM the contact details.

Cheers,

Neil

[gromit]

Hello from Montreal (Brisbane most of the time).

This thread is timely because I happened to reassemble my heater the week before I came away and used one of these metal ‘Ford’ taps from Rare Spares. As noted, the clip that stops the outer cable slipping is missing from the new tap.

I don’t think I still have the original tap and was planning to see if I could find one on a wreck. If anyone has one they are willing to part with then please PM the contact details.

Cheers,

Neil

Rare Spares will have the clips plus they are available on Ebay.

Expensive little buggers though.....NEW HEATER CABLE SPRING CLIP FOR HK HT HG HOLDEN MONARO KINGSWOOD BROUGHAM | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-HEATER-CABLE-SPRING-CLIP-FOR-HK-HT-HG-HOLDEN-MONARO-KINGSWOOD-BROUGHAM/282067608127?hash=item41ac8a223f:g:QvoAAOSw9N1Vg5e I)


Colin

[whitehillbilly64]

I got my cables from a local mower shop.
They use solid core cables, for the Throttle. Cut to suit.

whitehillbilly

[Busted Syncro]

G'day All,

I used a small stainless steel hose clamp instead of a similar looking clip on the Mini Clubman. Maybe that will work on the L/R valve. Wind out the hose clamp and feed thru the slot.

Chris

[mox]

A couple of points to note re Series heater taps. My 1961 S2 has a Smiths heater similar to but obviously not the same as those fitted to them from new. Holes in firewall are in different places. Then it had a right angled tap of the cable operated type but no cable was ever connected. Was not impressed with this tap. Blowing through it when fully open showed it restricted water flow compared with just the hose or through a gate valve or bigger tap. So installed one of these instead, which should facilitate more hot water through heater element.

Then from also owning Defender and Disco 1 with 300 Tdi's, which were developed from original Rover diesel of 1956 and Series 2 onward 4 cylinder motors, note that there is no tap to turn off water flow through the heaters. Seems this are an important part of the engine cooling system, taking hot water from the rear and returning it to the water pump. I gather any overheating damage tends to occur first around rear of head and block. So in S2 petrol motor, also installed a bypass tap which can be turned on to allow water flow when heater tap is turned off. Note that some cars have two way taps in water circuits to heaters to achieve same result.

[S3ute]

Rare Spares will have the clips plus they are available on Ebay.

Expensive little buggers though.....NEW HEATER CABLE SPRING CLIP FOR HK HT HG HOLDEN MONARO KINGSWOOD BROUGHAM | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-HEATER-CABLE-SPRING-CLIP-FOR-HK-HT-HG-HOLDEN-MONARO-KINGSWOOD-BROUGHAM/282067608127?hash=item41ac8a223f:g:QvoAAOSw9N1Vg5e I)


Colin

Hello again.

Finally got around to seriously chasing the clip. Picked one up at Rare Spares in Virginia (Brisbane) for $5.60.

Cheers,

Neil