May - 86" Series 1

[grey_ghost]

Hi All,

So over the weekend managed to rope in Homestar and we went on a road trip to Mildura to pick-up the new project.

Here she is - loaded up on Saturday afternoon:

https://i.imgur.com/RnQQzT3.jpg

All loaded up we had a lovely steak with Mick88 & Jill, and perhaps I had a few too many red, red wines...

The next day - all ready for the trip home.

https://i.imgur.com/1Swk6ET.jpg

The mighty Hilux towed the S1 like it wasn't even there.. We went out to the local weigh bridge just to double check the weight, and it was 1,940KG.. (Which was under the trailer rated weight so no issues).

Stopped for a rest stop on the way home - same rest stop that I met up with a bunch of AULRO folk for Melrose/Maralinga last year:

https://i.imgur.com/r2uiq9f.jpg

Steady progress and we got home by mid afternoon, and here she is all tucked up in bed:

https://i.imgur.com/CRlbPs1.jpg

Cheers,
GG.

[goingbush]

Bloody fantastic.

(the only thing I don't like is the way you have crossed over the binding strap like that )

[shamirj]

The only thing that stands out of place are those horrible but perhaps practical side mirrors. Looks to be a very straight looking S1, well done. Enjoy

[grey_ghost]

Hi All,

So I have had a bit of a chance to look at May - although the full investigation won't be finished until I have put it on a hoist & found the engine/chassis numbers...

I am new to the Series 1 game - so am very unfamiliar with these vehicles.. (I do have two Series 2's - but there are quite a number of differences). So I'm trying to identify / check the parts below...

On both front doors a leather strap has been used for the door stay:

https://i.imgur.com/XQ2T3WN.jpg

I'm guessing this isn't the "normal" door strap - as the doors won't open to 90o - rather they only open up to about 60o.. No huge issue - I just need to replace the door strap, but I was just wondering - what's standard?

The engine bay:

https://i.imgur.com/FOxKmUp.jpg

The vehicle came with 2 x spares, on a nifty arrangement:

https://i.imgur.com/Gv8CBjW.jpg

Here - you can see that it has the original seat backs (I think), and the original crank handle. The Middle/Passenger seat bases are missing, but I have plans for that:

https://i.imgur.com/48IiJf8.jpg

Here is the petrol tank - I filled it up today and so far no leaks:

https://i.imgur.com/TN7rppo.jpg

The tool box was empty - apart from a screw driver, and a bottle jack (more of that later), and a fan belt that is well beyond it's used by date:

https://i.imgur.com/kP4Tgba.jpg

The vehicle plate - too far gone to read much:

https://i.imgur.com/PzuVCwk.jpg

There are some curios interior lights - I haven't experimented with them yet, but I believe that the wires are plugged into the dash positive/negative terminals:

https://i.imgur.com/NJLfDam.jpg

The same lights are found in the tray:

https://i.imgur.com/tEQ6rnJ.jpg

The vehicle came with spare parts - some Land Rover, and I think some Bedford...

Am I correct in saying that this is a spare, rear axle/hub?

https://i.imgur.com/vJQKdRH.jpg

Am I correct in saying that these are fuel pumps?

https://i.imgur.com/F9l7QRB.jpg

A carby? But is it applicable to a Series 1?

https://i.imgur.com/9u3Vm7o.jpg

Some spare starter motors?

https://i.imgur.com/oeeu0KH.jpg

A distributor?

https://i.imgur.com/m498paw.jpg

A steering box & steering arm?

https://i.imgur.com/slQEJKk.jpg

A fuse box? (I think that I have a spare one of these from my Series 2)

https://i.imgur.com/HUAWmlk.jpg

A diff centre? Front or rear?

https://i.imgur.com/VMhZ9nO.jpg

I am guessing - part of the cooling system? (It is metal - not rubber)

https://i.imgur.com/EXJP7qD.jpg

Values and..?

https://i.imgur.com/TDrEIqy.jpg

A pitman arm, an oil/air breather, top of a swivel bush and...?

https://i.imgur.com/GYLMk45.jpg

A distributor cap:

https://i.imgur.com/iWgVLiE.jpg

Rocker arm assembly?

https://i.imgur.com/rfbcckl.jpg

A rear light, rubber for a pedal, bottle jack. The arm doesn't fit this bottle jack... Is this a Series 1 jack?

https://i.imgur.com/rOxehKI.jpg

Another distributor?

https://i.imgur.com/giRMrDj.jpg

This shock is actually labelled beford:

https://i.imgur.com/1gessIQ.jpg

A speedo cable - but looks to new to be for a Series 1?

https://i.imgur.com/z1GADEz.jpg

I am guessing that these are lights from a bedford:

https://i.imgur.com/mBjZalD.jpg

What is this? It has Lucas written on it - the end turns, and appears to have three settings:

https://i.imgur.com/F3InDWn.jpg

Maybe a beford pedal assembly?

https://i.imgur.com/BNi9WjB.jpg


Cheers,
GG.

[grey_ghost]

May started first try, so I drove her out of the shed to give her a quick wash (nothing fancy).

Before:

https://i.imgur.com/fTNMV9z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xCemsOF.jpg

And after:

https://i.imgur.com/gbqWKPp.jpg

She currently doesn't want to start - so I must have got something electrical under the bonnet wet... [bawl]

The bonnet was down (I certainly didn't hose out the engine bay) - the fuel pump runs but won't fire... I've opened the bonnet and will let her drive off for a few hours.

Perhaps it's just her way of protesting the wash.. [wink11]

Cheers,
GG.

[grey_ghost]

The only thing that stands out of place are those horrible but perhaps practical side mirrors. Looks to be a very straight looking S1, well done. Enjoy

Yeah - I wasn't 100% happy with the side mirrors either, but they are practical. The strange thing is - there are NO holes in the guards to suggest that there were once wing mirrors.. I'm still undecided if I should remove the side mirrors (which will leave holes) and replace them with standard wing mirrors (which are next to useless anyway!)

I want to try and keep the vehicle "as-is" - apart from mechanical work, and a few tidy up's...

Cheers,
GG.

[pop058]

Nice looking S1 and yes to fuel pumps, fusebox and voltage regulator, and the stork with the 3 position switch on it is the indicators. It clamps to the steering column.

[Homestar]

Bloody fantastic.

(the only thing I don't like is the way you have crossed over the binding strap like that )

It had 2 x 2500kg straps and 2 x 1000Kg straps on a vehicle weighing 1300Kg - it didn't move a mm during the 6 hour trip and would have stayed firmly attached to the trailer even if I'd rolled it in a ditch. [emoji6]

[JDNSW]

Door checks. Standard is nothing, doors open 180 degrees and can be just lifted off at that.

The rear axle/hub looks like a Series 1.

Fuel pumps are contemporary SU ones, probably off it, but they were fitted to a lot of others.

Carby looks correct

Starters look correct, but again, there were similar ones used on a lot of vehicles.

Distributor - could be, not clear.

Steering box and draglink does look correct.

Not a fuse box, its a voltage regulator - looks correct.

Diff looks correct, but could be from any of a wide range of Rover and Landrover vehicles 1932-2016. Count the teet - May should be 4.7:1

I don't recognise the cooling system part, but I'm not too familiar with S1 these days.

Valves, pushrods, generator stay, and I feel I should recognise some of the other bits, but I don't!

Next one includes an accelerator bellcrank and links.

Distributor cap and rocker arm assembly look correct.

Jack is definitely not Rover, looks more modern. The numberplate light could be. No pedal rubbers on Series 1.

Distributor looks correct

Shock labelled bedford does not mean it is, and also it could fit both.

Speedo looks to have wrong gearbox end connection for a Series Landrover.

The lights are certainly not off a Landrover!

Lucas item is a steering column light switch, definitely not off any Landrover.

Neither is the pedal.

[grey_ghost]

Thanks John. [emoji1303][emoji3]

[goingbush]

It had 2 x 2500kg straps and 2 x 1000Kg straps on a vehicle weighing 1300Kg - it didn't move a mm during the 6 hour trip and would have stayed firmly attached to the trailer even if I'd rolled it in a ditch. [emoji6]

Yes . I understand that, maybe what I should have said is the TRG blokes wouldn't like it .

I might be wrong but Im pretty sure your not allowed to cross a strap over like that, you have to use something like a choker or one of these.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VzwAAOSwoRBagf6S/s-l1600.jpg

[mick88]

I always crossed the tie-down straps as it ensures that the vehicle being restrained doesn't move at all.
I have seen the metal cage type wheel restraints, but never these type, however I like the idea and might have to invest in a set.

Cheers, Mick.

[Chops]

Awe, nice one mate. Cant wait to see it in the flesh [biggrin]

[cjc_td5]

Yes . I understand that, maybe what I should have said is the TRG blokes wouldn't like it .

I might be wrong but Im pretty sure your not allowed to cross a strap over like that, you have to use something like a choker or one of these.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VzwAAOSwoRBagf6S/s-l1600.jpgGot a link or product name for those tiedowns Don?
Chris

[goingbush]

I can't find the exact one in the photo, but I bought a set of 4 of these, that have applicable AS/NZS 2000kg tag on them.

Wheel Bridging / Link / Strap (four) Trailer Tie Down Car Recovery 16" SM001 634385864928 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Wheel-Bridging-Link-Strap-four-Trailer-Tie-Down-Car-Recovery-16-SM001/262755179845)

[Lewy110]

Looks fantastic.

I checked out one similar a few months back but it was out of my price range, and not as good as that.

[1950landy]

Redvtail light is off 1950 Rover Cyclops would also have fitted other British makes also.

[gromit]

Great addition to the stable.
Like the rifle rack behind the seats.

If you want a temporary solution for the seat bases I made up some plywood ones some years back. Mine has plywood which is falling apart but I'm making the correct style bases from strips of hardwood.
All you'd need is some foam and someone to make the covers.

When are you having an 'open day' ??


Colin

[goingbush]

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Diff looks correct, but could be from any of a wide range of Rover and Landrover vehicles 1932-2016. Count the teet - May should be 4.7:1



They stopped using the bolt on front bearing housing at or just before the beginning of Series 3 production .

Rover cars & Early series one had a round flange without the mud slinger , so its more likely 1949 ish to 1972 ish .

[grey_ghost]

Hi Colin,

You are welcome to come and visit anytime, but it is a fair drive from your side of town!

Cheers,
Tom

[Mick_Marsh]

Hi Colin,

You are welcome to come and visit anytime, but it is a fair drive from your side of town!

Cheers,
Tom
It's a fair drive from any side of town.

[Chops]

[biggrin] We'll be up on the weekend,, be handy if she starts so you can take Leeanne for a quick burl [wink11] (never know,, she might relent and let me have one [bigwhistle])

The three position switch is a steering column truck light switch as indicated by John, and I'm pretty sure from memory its Bedford K series (?) unit. I think actually, quite a few English vehicles were issued with these types of switches.
Pic 20 I think, there's some carby fittings/linkages there in the top RH corner I think.
The cab lights look like old bus type interior lights maybe(?).

[grey_ghost]

Hi Chops,

After drying out she starts again but has NO brakes so I shan’t be driving her too far... [emoji15][emoji6]

[Chops]

Hi Chops,

After drying out she starts again but has NO brakes so I shan’t be driving her too far... [emoji15][emoji6]


Haha,,, you look a little concerned about the brakes Tom [thumbsupbig]

[rangieman]

Looks a little ripper Tom [thumbsupbig]

[Homestar]

Yes . I understand that, maybe what I should have said is the TRG blokes wouldn't like it .

I might be wrong but Im pretty sure your not allowed to cross a strap over like that, you have to use something like a choker or one of these.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VzwAAOSwoRBagf6S/s-l1600.jpg

While I'm sure those items in the photo are better, I don't know of any legislation that forbids crossing a strap - it may only be recommended practice but I'd be happy to be corrected if you have the appropriate legislation handy. Passed several Police on the way back - including Highway Patrol, no one chased us down to tell us off, so I still consider it safe and legal to be honest, but happy to be corrected. 😊

[shack]

[biggrin] We'll be up on the weekend,, be handy if she starts so you can take Leeanne for a quick burl [wink11] (never know,, she might relent and let me have one [bigwhistle])

The three position switch is a steering column truck light switch as indicated by John, and I'm pretty sure from memory its Bedford K series (?) unit. I think actually, quite a few English vehicles were issued with these types of switches.
Pic 20 I think, there's some carby fittings/linkages there in the top RH corner I think.
The cab lights look like old bus type interior lights maybe(?).The steering column light switch could also be off a Leyland truck, if not it's certainly very similar, no doubt many at the time were of similar design

[Landy Smurf]

Looks like a great s1.

[goingbush]

While I'm sure those items in the photo are better, I don't know of any legislation that forbids crossing a strap - it may only be recommended practice but I'd be happy to be corrected if you have the appropriate legislation handy. Passed several Police on the way back - including Highway Patrol, no one chased us down to tell us off, so I still consider it safe and legal to be honest, but happy to be corrected. 😊


Not to worry , I'm the only one of my siblings thats not a cop , I don't think any of them would see anything wrong with this picture ! I still would not cross a strap back on itself , maybe its just me.

http://i.imgur.com/iaje48N.png

[Mick_Marsh]

Yes . I understand that, maybe what I should have said is the TRG blokes wouldn't like it .

I might be wrong but Im pretty sure your not allowed to cross a strap over like that, you have to use something like a choker or one of these.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VzwAAOSwoRBagf6S/s-l1600.jpg
Yet another post of opinion vs legislation.

Care to back your opinion up with the appropriate legislation? A link would be handy.

[grey_ghost]

Hi all,

Well according to the engine number & using Clifton Scientific Text Services:

1954
Series 1 Petrol
Home Market
86"

Now I can't find the chassis number - but I seem to remember that the Pons stamped it in a different location for home market?

I have been looking on the LHR spring hanger - not there.

There is no ID plate on the firewall either.

The car was registered in SA - can you register an old vehicle on the engine number alone - without a VIN/Chassis? (And as an extension - I wonder about VIC)

Cheers,
Tom.

[Homestar]

On old trailers Vicroads will happily issue a new VIN, but not sure on vehicles - maybe call
them and ask when you have an hour free to see what the go is. There will be a way, just don't know what it is. Maybe stamp the engine number onto the chassis and use that... [emoji56]

[Mick_Marsh]

can you register an old vehicle on the engine number alone - without a VIN/Chassis? (And as an extension - I wonder about VIC)
They used to be registered on engine number alone. The vehicles identity now comes from the chassis number or VIN so, in these times, no.

See if you can find the chassis number and restamp it.

[mick88]

Got a link or product name for those tiedowns Don?
Chris

Purchased a pair on E-Bay yesterday and they will be here Monday.
$25 per wheel.

Cheers, Mick.

[goingbush]

Yet another post of opinion vs legislation.

Care to back your opinion up with the appropriate legislation? A link would be handy.

im not a lawyer, I never said it was against the law, I simply said "I might be wrong but Im pretty sure your not allowed to cross a strap over like that" and offered a possible solution

..... but it might be in here ??

https://www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports/(125D483B-53AC-83A1-7BBE-A88645111DEE).pdf

[1950landy]

I would think the the car number on the plate beside the starter button would be the chassis no & chassis number would be stamped on the R/H front spring bracket.

[mick88]

Land Rover FAQ - History, Production, Sales - Chassis Numbering (http://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.Chassis_Numbers.html)


Cheers, Mick.

[B.S.F.]

I've got a 54 86" with the chassis number stamped on top of the left chassis rail, next to the radiator.
.W.

[cjc_td5]

I've got a 54 86" with the chassis number stamped on top of the left chassis rail, next to the radiator.
.W.

Same place with my 1954 86".

[Mick_Marsh]

im not a lawyer, I never said it was against the law, I simply said "I might be wrong but Im pretty sure your not allowed to cross a strap over like that" and offered a possible solution

..... but it might be in here ??

https://www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports/(125D483B-53AC-83A1-7BBE-A88645111DEE).pdf
Thanks for the link to the draft guide. I am already familiar with it and already have a copy.
I draw your attention to page 2.

It is intended to be used as a guide only.
Yes, I do understand you didn't say it was against the law, but you did say it was not allowed. Who doesn't allow this? Saying something is not allowed implies there is an enforcement authority. Who would that be?

[gromit]

Now I can't find the chassis number - but I seem to remember that the Pons stamped it in a different location for home market?


Mine is stamped on the top of one of the front dumb irons.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1876/30909468708_e6acb30a37_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/P6n7bh)Chassis number (https://flic.kr/p/P6n7bh) by Colin Radley (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152321353@N07/), on Flickr

I did read that CKD assemblers (Regent Motors, Grenville Motors etc.) stamped the chassis numbers in different locations.

I met an elderly gent a few years back who worked at Regent Motors and the chassis came in a separate parts which they welded together to keep the costs down (and therefore the duty paid). This would probably mean that the chassis number wasn't on the chassis rail when delivered.

I have some number & letter stamps you can borrow [bigwhistle]


Colin

[cjc_td5]

Mine is stamped on the top of one of the front dumb irons.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1876/30909468708_e6acb30a37_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/P6n7bh)Chassis number (https://flic.kr/p/P6n7bh) by Colin Radley (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152321353@N07/), on Flickr

I did read that CKD assemblers (Regent Motors, Grenville Motors etc.) stamped the chassis numbers in different locations.

I met an elderly gent a few years back who worked at Regent Motors and the chassis came in a separate parts which they welded together to keep the costs down (and therefore the duty paid). This would probably mean that the chassis number wasn't on the chassis rail when delivered.

I have some number & letter stamps you can borrow [bigwhistle]


Colin

In Colin's photo you can see a brake pipe on top of the LH chassis rail (RHS of photo) behind the radiator panel. My chassis number is directly under the bend in that pipe.
Chris

[grey_ghost]

Hi All,

Well - I have found what I believe is the chassis number... Located (as some have suggested) on the top of the chassis rail, passenger side, where the brake line bends.

Only problem now is - I can't read it! [bawl][happycry]

Interestingly - I would suggest that the original colour of the chassis is yellow, then painted green, then black?

https://i.imgur.com/K3AYOzI.jpg

Cheers,
GG.

[cjc_td5]

Well done.

144551

47661515

That is cool as mine is ####1618.

Chris

[cjc_td5]

The yellow I believe is an undercoat. Mine was yellow underneath the Sand (beige) final colour.

[Homestar]

Yep, I concour - 47661515

[JDNSW]

That yellow looks like the colour of vehicles delivered to the Department of Supply at that time for a variety of government bodies such as Bureau of Mineral resources, Department of Civil Aviation, Overseas Telecommunication Commission etc.

[cjc_td5]

That yellow looks like the colour of vehicles delivered to the Department of Supply at that time for a variety of government bodies such as Bureau of Mineral resources, Department of Civil Aviation, Overseas Telecommunication Commission etc.My 86" started life in SA (or Commonwealth) government. The engine sump plate and fuel tank tank guards are the same as used at Woomera. Mine was almost certainly painted Sand from the factory as all of the hard to get to places are the sand colour.

[grey_ghost]

Thanks guys - your eyesight is much better than mine.. [bigsad]

The most I got was ...664515 (or 6)

Thanks for your help! The vehicle originated from SA so perhaps it's kissing cousins with Chris's!! [thumbsupbig]

[gromit]

Mine has the yellow primer under the green paint on the chassis.
Yours must have then been painted black at some point in it's life.

I've been told that mine shouldn't have a green chassis but I guess the colour came down to Regent Motors ( or whoever built the CKD locally) rather than Land Rover......


Colin