Some better spy shots at last!

[blackrangie]

LR didn’t have much of a reputation over there so it will have to be something very special for it to sell well.

Oh,and yes that D4 looking thing we have seen before.Is that why the Defenders are now fetching around 100k American? Everyone wants them

[scarry]

Is that why the Defenders are now fetching around 100k American? Everyone wants them

There are other reasons Defenders are worth big money over there,the main reason being their rarity.

It is the other models that didn't have much of a reputation,as the Defender hasn't been availably their new for a long time.

[blackrangie]

There are other reasons Defenders are worth big money over there,the main reason being their rarity.

It is the other models that didn't have much of a reputation,as the Defender hasn't been availably their new for a long time.So its not Land Rover and not defenders, its Discovery's or Range Rovers and what years? All of them?
Range Rovers are extremely popular in the States..that leaves the discos??
Discos are all pretty good..hmm

[blackrangie]

You are joking aren't you? Surely you mean the D3 with air suspension - the coiler as standard is a bit of a dud - evidenced by the need to get it lifted to be competent offroad.Not joking its a great tourer platform

[Fubar]

From what has been available to date I only see it as a Discovery (insert build iteration number here) with a Defender badge to help boost sales.

I hope I'm wrong and the Defender name is not misappropriated to boost sales on a vehicle type previous Defender buyers would have walked straight past.
At least if I'm right the missus will get new wheels because the 2nd hand market will be inundated with 2017/2018/2019 Disco's..... Disco's do make great shopping trolleys!:firedevil:

[loanrangie]

Clearly not a disco body, lines are completely different.

[SimmAus]

From what has been available to date I only see it as a Discovery (insert build iteration number here) with a Defender badge to help boost sales.

I hope I'm wrong and the Defender name is not misappropriated to boost sales on a vehicle type previous Defender buyers would have walked straight past.:

What is the general consensus on “what makes a Defender” for this model to be successful.
The pics / assumptions / observations on this new LR model are all pointing to:
IFS / IRS
EAS most likely.
Traction control
Aluminium chassis construction
Improved safety

It is also looking, in terms of general shape, as a D4/D5 should’ve been.

So what parts of a D4 will Defender buyers walk past or accept on this new model?

[goingbush]

What is the general consensus on “what makes a Defender” for this model to be successful.
The pics / assumptions / observations on this new LR model are all pointing to:
IFS / IRS
EAS most likely.
Traction control
Aluminium chassis construction
Improved safety

It is also looking, in terms of general shape, as a D4/D5 should’ve been.

So what parts of a D4 will Defender buyers walk past or accept on this new model?

A Defender needs to be Rugged, Utilitarian and an Adaptable platform that allows a multitude of configurations.

[Fubar]

So what parts of a D4 will Defender buyers walk past or accept on this new model?

Think LC200 vs the Troop Carrier, that kind of a gap....I may be pessimistic, but I envisage a new 'Defender' that is a Disco with vinyl floor matting. Ie a poverty pack Disco.

The world really doesn't need another luxury wagon, chocked full of features that become failure points for, in the literal sense, forward advance.


IFS / IRS - Sure, just interested to see how that works with a ute configuration.
EAS most likely - Guaranteed the first thing the aftermarket industry steps up to resolve. Rip it out - Coils or 'dumb' air bags please.
Traction control - Just no...God no, let people who know how to drive actually drive the bloody things. Last thing I want is TC fighting me when I want to do something it is not programmed to understand. Make it an option.
Aluminium chassis construction - Sounds good, going to be a pain when you want to modify something though. Defender owners do like to modify things.
Improved safety - No problem with that at all. I've done things to mine to make it safer.

Just give me a basic, overbuilt, safe platform with only as much electronics as is required to pass the current crop of ADR's. I want best in class towing, load carrying and longevity....and keep all the other crap as options, they just eat into my GVM, wallet and humour.

[blackrangie]

A Defender needs to be Rugged, Utilitarian and an Adaptable platform that allows a multitude of configurations.Plenty of them on carsales, JLR didnt sell enough of them to be viable product, so something that appeals to more of the market will be made, which has many benefits, think how many accessories and mods are avail for mass market 4x4s. Same will be the case with defender, i bet they are being built already by aftermarket co's and JLR.

To me it doesn't matter if its high tech, what matters is how reliable the tech is compared to lower tech 4x4s. The newer LR's are getting more and more reliable in my opinion, able to tour long distances safely, wade extremly deep water and a very capable..you may just have to put up with less rivets and more of a rounded body.

I see way more benefits than negatives with the new fender, it will be more comfortable, more capable, safer and maybe even better looking

[goingbush]

<snip>..you may just have to put up with less rivets and more of a rounded body.

I see way more benefits than negatives with the new fender, it will be more comfortable, more capable, safer and maybe even better looking


Better looking (insert vomit emoticon here), Fine if you like the generic Blobs that all 4x4's have become !

I'll take Rivets thanks, Here is my next new car . funnily enough looks more Defender than the next Defender .

JLR miss out on my money, I don't know the price of these but I'll happily shell over 50% on top of whatever the 2020 Defender is going for to get one.


http://goingbush.com/images/b1.jpg

[loanrangie]

Meccano cars are dead, get over it.

[goingbush]

Meccano cars are dead, get over it.


One thing I'm not is a Lemming , I've never had a car that everyone else wants . Looking forward to driving my next Meccano Set.

[Vern]

One thing I'm not is a Lemming , I've never had a car that everyone else wants . Looking forward to driving my next Meccano Set.You had a defender, and as it seems, that's what everyone wants[emoji6]

[SeanMurr123]

Better looking (insert vomit emoticon here), Fine if you like the generic Blobs that all 4x4's have become !

I'll take Rivets thanks, Here is my next new car . funnily enough looks more Defender than the next Defender .

JLR miss out on my money, I don't know the price of these but I'll happily shell over 50% on top of whatever the 2020 Defender is going for to get one.


http://goingbush.com/images/b1.jpg

This is the worst looking car I've ever seen.
Why wouldn't you just put an electric motor in a used Defender? Would be way less money and probably better.

[blackrangie]

Better looking (insert vomit emoticon here), Fine if you like the generic Blobs that all 4x4's have become !

I'll take Rivets thanks, Here is my next new car . funnily enough looks more Defender than the next Defender .

JLR miss out on my money, I don't know the price of these but I'll happily shell over 50% on top of whatever the 2020 Defender is going for to get one.


http://goingbush.com/images/b1.jpgMate, that thing is ugly as, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess

[blackrangie]

Better looking (insert vomit emoticon here), Fine if you like the generic Blobs that all 4x4's have become !

I'll take Rivets thanks, Here is my next new car . funnily enough looks more Defender than the next Defender .

JLR miss out on my money, I don't know the price of these but I'll happily shell over 50% on top of whatever the 2020 Defender is going for to get one.


http://goingbush.com/images/b1.jpgLand rovers old and new stand out from the crowd big time,defenders, disco(new one needs number plate centering kit), rr, evoque, velar, sport..they all look way better than the competitors and perform better..blobs nah...new nissan patrol in stock form is pretty blobby imo, after bars n lift and a staino snorkel its not to bad.

[JDNSW]

Perhaps worth pointing out that, like the Defender, this car has flat, near vertical glass - exactly what is needed in a country where keeping cool is a major issue over most of the country, especially when the vehicle is parked in the sun.

Of course, it is a quite unsuitable colour, but that is a lot easier to change than the angle of the glass!

I can hear the responses - "thats what airconditioning is for!", but airconditioning does little to improve the lot of the car's interior and that of anything left in the car while parked, for many people, in the sun, for at least eight hours a day.

The temperature here has reached maxima of 38-42C every day since well before Christmas, and the same sort of temperatures or worse would have been encountered over the vast majority of the country - including substantial parts of major metropolitan centres over this period. That is the temperature in a Stevenson shield, or in the shade - and most cars are not parked in the shade. And we haven't reached the hottest month of the summer yet!

[goingbush]

JD has hit on the reason I would want that butt ugly Bollinger B1 , and not a new Electric Defender .

Also it's Utilitarian & Practical, it has a other attributes of the old Defender , the Roof & , door tops & Doors are removable . Its modular .

Unlike a Defender it has Portal axles & Diff Locks standard ,

Rear load area has a 1200 wide between arches so can carry sheets of plywood flat on the floor & unlike any other car ever can load full length items right through from the front opening bonnet to the rear tailgate.

Electrifying an Old Defender is a damn good option. But theres not a snowballs chance in hell I'll be buying a New Defender. ( if I electrify anything else it will be my Iveco 4x4.)

And in my opinion, despite everyone falling in love with the shape of clone blobs, I think the Bollinger actually looks bloody good.

[blackrangie]

JD has hit on the reason I would want that butt ugly Bollinger B1 , and not a new Electric Defender .

Also it's Utilitarian & Practical, it has a other attributes of the old Defender , the Roof & , door tops & Doors are removable . Its modular .

Unlike a Defender it has Portal axles & Diff Locks standard ,

Rear load area has a 1200 wide between arches so can carry sheets of plywood flat on the floor & unlike any other car ever can load full length items right through from the front opening bonnet to the rear tailgate.

Electrifying an Old Defender is a damn good option. But theres not a snowballs chance in hell I'll be buying a New Defender. ( if I electrify anything else it will be my Iveco 4x4.)

And in my opinion, despite everyone falling in love with the shape of clone blobs, I think the Bollinger actually looks bloody good.I get the attraction of the Bollinger but Rivian looks wayy better imo and better specs, hopefully defender looks better again
Again beauty is in the eye of beholder so just my opinion.

[goingbush]

Absolutely, don't get me wrong, I really do like the looks & specs of the Rivian but not still utilitarian enoug for my liking. Plus if I scrape the side along a tree stump or such it wont be the same level of tragic in the B1 .

[SBD4]

Another electric alternative coming:

https://youtu.be/K-OIG5JQicQ

[blackrangie]

There’s a good chance this is the new Defender prototype dash.
Yeah not production, but apparently at the moment whilst this is still hot and legalities of pic are being questioned, mods being safe and deleting pic, just use a link.

[DiscoDiscoMan]

Hope the ridiculousness of Brexit doesn’t kill off the Defender.... supply chain, market access etc....

[goingbush]

looks like a 70 series

oops


70 series LHD for comparison
http://www.brian894x4.com/lc70interior.jpg

[Homestar]

Can people, PLEASE STOP posting links with the pics of the Defender interior in it.

[grey_ghost]

Lol - wasn’t me! [emoji3]

[blackrangie]

looks like a 70 series

oops


70 series LHD for comparison
http://www.brian894x4.com/lc70interior.jpgYeah kinda

[DiscoMick]

No, quite different. Has two screens and the dash is much clearer.

[DiscoMick]

Hope the ridiculousness of Brexit doesn’t kill off the Defender.... supply chain, market access etc....I assume they will make it in Slovenia with the Discovery to avoid transport delays thru customs caused by Brexit stupidity.

[Dervish]

Can people, PLEASE STOP posting links with the pics of the Defender interior in it.

Sorry, I didn't see the other threads before posting. I think it's preposterous to ban posting links to this story, but I would respect a mod's judgement on the matter.

[blackrangie]

I assume they will make it in Slovenia with the Discovery to avoid transport delays thru customs caused by Brexit stupidity.Thats the rumour ay

[blackrangie]

Sorry, I didn't see the other threads before posting. I think it's preposterous to ban posting links to this story, but I would respect a mod's judgement on the matter.I dont think they care about links, its more the pics thats better to be safe that sorry.

[Homestar]

Sorry, I didn't see the other threads before posting. I think it's preposterous to ban posting links to this story, but I would respect a mod's judgement on the matter.

It's about legalities and exposures to the forum. You're not paying the legal bills.

[rar110]

Thats the rumour ay

I think Brexit situation will encourage Defender production in Slovakia.

It will probably be good for us, Oz began negotiating a FTA with the EU back in June last year.

[DiscoMick]

I think Brexit situation will encourage Defender production in Slovakia.

It will probably be good for us, Oz began negotiating a FTA with the EU back in June last year.Yes, we should certainly give priority to trade with the EU, which is a huge market, while the UK shrinks to a quaint backwater. Companies like JLR are already moving investment away from the UK to the EU.

[DiscoMick]

I see the deleted pic is still appearing in my menu.

[Homestar]

I see the deleted pic is still appearing in my menu.

Yeah, it seems the app and tapatalk cashe the last photo posted as a thread pic. Hopefully if someone else posts some other pic, that should go away.

[grey_ghost]

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The new Defender! [emoji3][emoji1303]

[Zeros]

Some interesting info in the WhichCar article, including the cancellation of the Disco SVX due to financial difficulties (read: ongoing effects of Diesel gate) and reminder of a new PHEV Disco Sport - 2020: 2020 Land Rover Discovery Sport to get new platform, PHEV variant (https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news/2020-land-rover-discovery-sport-phev-to-battle-volvo-xc40-t5).

Thinking about it further, I'm not convinced the Defender dashboard image was accidentally leaked...the very public response by JLR PR on Twitter doesn't make sense. Maybe it was actually part of a social media marketing strategy by JLR. ...a tester? to see what the public response is to a prototype utilitarian dash? It's definitely working.

[blackrangie]

Some interesting info in the WhichCar article, including the cancellation of the Disco SVX due to financial difficulties (read: ongoing effects of Diesel gate) and reminder of a new PHEV Disco Sport - 2020: 2020 Land Rover Discovery Sport to get new platform, PHEV variant (https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news/2020-land-rover-discovery-sport-phev-to-battle-volvo-xc40-t5).

Thinking about it further, I'm not convinced the Defender dashboard image was accidentally leaked...the very public response by JLR PR on Twitter doesn't make sense. Maybe it was actually part of a social media marketing strategy by JLR. ...a tester? to see what the public response is to a prototype utilitarian dash? It's definitely working.100% agree, the twitter user was deleted soon after reportedly.

Responding via twitter only adds fuel to the fire.

You only fuel the fire if you want it to burn

JLR US also reportedly confirmed it was an older pre production shot, which kinda says to me like its the finished product but not refined.

[Homestar]

Can people, PLEASE STOP posting links with the pics of the Defender interior in it.

Just deleted yet another post with a link to these pics.