Electrical Test and Tag

[weeds]

Sending my work team interstate.....

Is Electrical Test and Tag done in QLD valid in NSW??

I know each state has its own licencing system.......but I’m thinking so long a licenced electrician has done the test and tagged the appliance than all should good??

[Homestar]

We would accept that no dramas. We have gear Electrical gear in every state and share it around so it isn't uncommon to get a genset or DB from NSW or QLD that has a current elec test tag on it - we send them straight to the customer like that and don't have any dramas - and we work on all the big sites, with Unions, etc without issue here.

Can't see it being an issue.

[LRJim]

I just buy them from bunnings and fill them out myself....

[Homestar]

I just buy them from bunnings and fill them out myself....

You put your licence number on them as you're supposed to? If not licenced then what do you put there?

[weeds]

We would accept that no dramas. We have gear Electrical gear in every state and share it around so it isn't uncommon to get a genset or DB from NSW or QLD that has a current elec test tag on it - we send them straight to the customer like that and don't have any dramas - and we work on all the big sites, with Unions, etc without issue here.

Can't see it being an issue.

That’s what we figure, plenty of companies send equipment and workers all over the country.

Just crossing the T’s

[LRJim]

You put your licence number on them as you're supposed to? If not licenced then what do you put there?A licence number I was given way back years ago. Dunno if it's a legit number or not. As long as they see the right color all good to most of em. I don't work on union sites anymore so I havnt tagged my tools in a few years now. It's a gimmick really on domestic sites, tools don't get shared around like on commercial sites. I understand why they tag tools but its pretty crap putting everyone under this "safety net" it just adds lazyness if you ask me. It takes 3 seconds to check the lead and plug. I know if my tools need repair or not. If they need work their not on site.
Commercial I'm all for it, domestic not really most of us own our own tools not company tools and we look after them.
Cheers Jim

[scarry]

You put your licence number on them as you're supposed to? If not licenced then what do you put there?

Anyone can do it,you just need to be “competent”[bighmmm]


Haven’t checked lately but that’s the way it used to be.

Dunno what is done if the competent person doesn’t have a license.

We keep a few in our vans,just put them on when needed.Had to do a battery charger as we were working at a hospital recently,some smarty saw the tag was out of date.
Should see the look on the customers face when we just go to the van and put it on.[biggrin]

Not doing any building site work Ours often are out of date.....

[weeds]

think Mine Site as the work location.....

[DoubleChevron]

Its a farce the test and tag bulldust around my workplace. I have my workstation at work tested and tagged several times. Each time without managing to unplug it [bighmmm] How they can "test" any earth leakage or crossed wires without unplugging anything is beyond me ..............................

It still always gets a tag though.



seeya,
Shane L.

[LRJim]

Anyone can do it,you just need to be “competent”[bighmmm]


Haven’t checked lately but that’s the way it used to be.

Dunno what is done if the competent person doesn’t have a license.

We keep a few in our vans,just put them on when needed.Had to do a battery charger as we were working at a hospital recently,some smarty saw the tag was out of date.
Should see the look on the customers face when we just go to the van and put it on.[biggrin]

Not doing any building site work Ours often are out of date.....AFAIK you need to buy some machine which cost like 10k that's last I heard a few years ago. You don't need to be a sparky just a "tool tester" lol

[Homestar]

A licence number I was given way back years ago. Dunno if it's a legit number or not. As long as they see the right color all good to most of em. I don't work on union sites anymore so I havnt tagged my tools in a few years now. It's a gimmick really on domestic sites, tools don't get shared around like on commercial sites. I understand why they tag tools but its pretty crap putting everyone under this "safety net" it just adds lazyness if you ask me. It takes 3 seconds to check the lead and plug. I know if my tools need repair or not. If they need work their not on site.
Commercial I'm all for it, domestic not really most of us own our own tools not company tools and we look after them.
Cheers Jim


Anyone can do it,you just need to be “competent”[bighmmm]


Haven’t checked lately but that’s the way it used to be.

Dunno what is done if the competent person doesn’t have a license.

We keep a few in our vans,just put them on when needed.Had to do a battery charger as we were working at a hospital recently,some smarty saw the tag was out of date.
Should see the look on the customers face when we just go to the van and put it on.[biggrin]

Not doing any building site work Ours often are out of date.....

Yep, all probably fine for most things and I agree most of it is a bit of a ****, but as Weeds noted now for a mine site, or large construction site with Union involvement and they'd check this sort of thing - During the induction they would require any tickets, VOC's, etc for everything. Test and tag tickets are checked to for those conducting their own at times, so well worth asking the question and covering off the small items when going to a job like this.

We also log every single elect test done in the company - including who did it. We have over 100,000 bits of electrical equipment that need to stay in test in our company which is no mean feat - keeping track of it is a whole other problem, but we do it as we are an ISO certified company so these things get audited twice a year to ensure we stay compliant.

Whatever you think of the process, it keeps people employed that's for sure...[biggrin]

[austastar]

Hi,
The Uni went this direction about 12 years ago.
Rediculous.
Most lab gear never moved from its position on the bench.
Big fuss! Admin wanted a room/device register. Some gear moved rooms, some items like desktop computers got replaced but still used the old cable running back behind a desk.
So I knocked up a database of everything, printed out a few reports listing by rooms, due now, due soon and over due. All this inserted into a big ring binder and sent to Admin.
Never heard a peep from them on the subject ever again.
Cheers

[LRJim]

Yep, all probably fine for most things and I agree most of it is a bit of a ****, but as Weeds noted now for a mine site, or large construction site with Union involvement and they'd check this sort of thing - During the induction they would require any tickets, VOC's, etc for everything. Test and tag tickets are checked to for those conducting their own at times, so well worth asking the question and covering off the small items when going to a job like this.

We also log every single elect test done in the company - including who did it. We have over 100,000 bits of electrical equipment that need to stay in test in our company which is no mean feat - keeping track of it is a whole other problem, but we do it as we are an ISO certified company so these things get audited twice a year to ensure we stay compliant.

Whatever you think of the process, it keeps people employed that's for sure...[biggrin]Like I said I'm not against it on commercial sites not in the slightest, tools get shared from goon to goon and most people don't care about company tools. And I think all metal body tools should definitely be tested and tagged for obvious reasons. If I had employees which used my company tools I probably would have them checked every 3months for their safety.
Hey I'd do the course if I could afford the machine. If I had 100,000 items like the company you work for I'd have a dedicated test and tagger employed full time.

[Homestar]

Hi,
The Uni went this direction about 12 years ago.
Rediculous.
Most lab gear never moved from its position on the bench.
Big fuss! Admin wanted a room/device register. Some gear moved rooms, some items like desktop computers got replaced but still used the old cable running back behind a desk.
So I knocked up a database of everything, printed out a few reports listing by rooms, due now, due soon and over due. All this inserted into a big ring binder and sent to Admin.
Never heard a peep from them on the subject ever again.
Cheers

Yes, office equipment, etc is pretty dumb. We still do all of our fixed appliances once a year though. Everything we use on site is monthly.

[Homestar]

Like I said I'm not against it on commercial sites not in the slightest, tools get shared from goon to goon and most people don't care about company tools. And I think all metal body tools should definitely be tested and tagged for obvious reasons. If I had employees which used my company tools I probably would have them checked every 3months for their safety.
Hey I'd do the course if I could afford the machine. If I had 100,000 items like the company you work for I'd have a dedicated test and tagger employed full time.

We have competent technicians at every one of our 160 sites which looks after what is in their local area. Once on site it becomes the customers issue - we only need to do it when running up the equipment ready for hire. :)

[goingbush]

Begs the question, what about Electric Car charge cables . A whole new workforce will be needed for them.

My VASS engineer wanted me to get my Charger & Charge cable Test & Tagged before signing off on the Blue Plate, The tags have expired I suppose that makes my Landy unroadworthy ??

[Vern]

AFAIK you need to buy some machine which cost like 10k that's last I heard a few years ago. You don't need to be a sparky just a "tool tester" lolMachine is from about $300 and up. Have never heard of one costing $10k.
You need to be licensed, and have either a test tag license number, or be a licensed electrician, you can't just fill it in and be done with it.

[LRJim]

Machine is from about $300 and up. Have never heard of one costing $10k.
You need to be licensed, and have either a test tag license number, or be a licensed electrician, you can't just fill it in and be done with it.Just looking on Google shopping cheapest is 600 most expensive is like 6k withought looking to hard. Last I looked was maybe 6 years ago and it was way up there. Hmm maybe it's worth doing the course after all, getting over building yuppies houses lol

[LRJim]

Begs the question, what about Electric Car charge cables . A whole new workforce will be needed for them.

My VASS engineer wanted me to get my Charger & Charge cable Test & Tagged before signing off on the Blue Plate, The tags have expired I suppose that makes my Landy unroadworthy ??No you can drive it, just not charge it hahaha.

[Vern]

Just looking on Google shopping cheapest is 600 most expensive is like 6k withought looking to hard. Last I looked was maybe 6 years ago and it was way up there. Hmm maybe it's worth doing the course after all, getting over building yuppies houses lolA Megger is about $300, the machine i have was about $400, the one our work has is about $5k. I do it at work, its the most degrading job for us sparkies ever, but you will be surprised what leads and tools that look ok actually fail.

[pop058]

Without being a licensed Electrician in Qld you are required to do a 1 day course to be ticketed to do test and tag. And then you can only do your own gear.

[DiscoMick]

Someone at my work got reprimanded for donating a used Nespresso machine to the staff room without having it tested and tagged. Apparently it caused a problem on the power system.
We have been told nothing electrical can be connected to our work system unless it has been tested and tagged first.

[scarry]

Without being a licensed Electrician in Qld you are required to do a 1 day course to be ticketed to do test and tag. And then you can only do your own gear.

Dunno,i thought this was the rule

No - you don't need to be an electrician or have an electrical background to test and tag in Australia. According to Australian Standards AS/NZS 3760, you must be deemed a 'Competent Person'. This can achieved by undertaking a Test & Tag Course, which usually takes 1 day to complete.

No mention of only doing your own gear

[Homestar]

Yep, simple course, no Electrical experience required before attending. Most of our Mechanics are ticketed to test.

Testing machines can be a cheap Insulation resistance tester (Meggar) as mentioned or fully pimped out PAT testers like we use in each branch that scans the bar code of the asset, records a pass or fail, logs the info via wifi in some larger branches or daily download to our main software so the test appears on the service history of the item, then prints the sticker with all information, test date, tester, licence number, asset number, etc and keeps us ISO compliant - about $5K a pop I believe.

You can make it as simple or as complicated as you like.

[pop058]

Yep, simple course, no Electrical experience required before attending. Most of our Mechanics are ticketed to test.

Testing machines can be a cheap Insulation resistance tester (Meggar) as mentioned or fully pimped out PAT testers like we use in each branch that scans the bar code of the asset, records a pass or fail, logs the info via wifi in some larger branches or daily download to our main software so the test appears on the service history of the item, then prints the sticker with all information, test date, tester, licence number, asset number, etc and keeps us ISO compliant - about $5K a pop I believe.

You can make it as simple or as complicated as you like.

I still use a Meggar to do mine. [thumbsupbig]

[Bigbjorn]

Without being a licensed Electrician in Qld you are required to do a 1 day course to be ticketed to do test and tag. And then you can only do your own gear.

A friend's son started a job as a trainee technician with a major computer company. He is in Brisbane and had to do a short course and obtain a restricted electrical ticket to fit or change three pin plugs.

[1950landy]

When my brother & I had out steel & aluminum business we did our test & tag every 3 months for over 40 years . I had a test & tad licence & limited electrical licence & along with an electrician we would test over 300 electrical appliances over a 12hr period on a Saturday. No tool that had electronics or circuit boards including mig welders or computers were meggered so as not to damage the boards. All leads were tested for earth & continuity & had visual inspection. If leads were damageb they were either cut back & a new plug fitted or plugs cut of & dumped. We also had test equipment to test all the earth leakage / safty switches either in the switch boards or portable. All test resultes were recorded in our electrical tool register .
When we had site work all electrical equipment going to site was tested & taged before going to site even if it had only been tested the week end before.
AFTER DOING ALL THAT IT WAS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE MOMENT IT WAS TESTED you could bet by midday on the Monday there would be a couple of cut leads on the maintenance bench .
We also removed , inspected & replaced the brushs if they were down to 3/4 worn on all drills & grinders . We found by doing this we would get up to 3 times the life out of the tool.

[Stuck]

. I do it at work, its the most degrading job for us sparkies ever,
Nothing degrading about that. Keep fighting the good fight man, I've been on sites where the tags are on the passenger side floor of the supervisor's ute, use them as required !!!.