QLD Rego stats 2018 for Series LR's

[RichardJ]

I was just looking at Qld's Open Data portal to see if I could find out how many soft top series were actually registered.
Data was pretty crappy but with a bit of a tidy up … this is what I found:
Data extract 09/10/2018
Data currency 21/09/2018
Data url: Vehicle registrations - Datasets | Data | Queensland Government (https://data.qld.gov.au/dataset/vehicle-registrations)

Total light vehicle registration in QLD is 3,830,152
Total Land Rover Registrations in QLD is 25,835

All Series Land Rovers currently registered in QLD = 470
Series 1 = 86
Series 2 = 62
Series 2A = 99
Series 3 = 223

There are only 11 registered as soft tops (6xS1, 1xS2, 2xS2A, 2xS3)

Colours of all registered Series
Beige = 17
Black = 4
Blue = 17
Brown = 8
Cream = 26
Fawn = 1
Gold = 35
Green = 222
Grey = 19
Khaki = 12
Maroon = 1
Orange = 4
Purple = 1
Red = 10
Silver = 2
Tan = 3
White = 12
Yellow = 76

Fuel Type:
Diesel = 65
Diesel and Gas = 1
Gas = 1
Petrol = 390
Petrol and Gas = 13

Just interesting really ...

[ramblingboy42]

excellent information but what is astonishing is the total number of light vehicles registered in Qld.

Visually I would have thought there were more Land Rovers in total registered in Qld.

This shows really how small the voice for say a new Defender is in Australia.

[incisor]

sadly many land rovers aren't registered as the variant they are because that variant isn't on the old rego books...

esp true for series ii after seeing what I had to wade through when I registered my 59 swb

it was originally reg as a series I

I tried to get it registered as a series ii and fought for hours as there was nothing on the old books that matched

was fun... and ended up being registered as a Land Rover series ii panel van as that was the only series ii variant available for them to use

[JDNSW]

Similar story in NSW for my 2a, which is registered as a table top ute as that was the only option on the computer!

[bemm52]

Stats are quiet interesting
re Incisor and JDNSW when I presented my 1966 2a 88 for rego with no roof and a road worthy certificate Vic Roads basicly excepted what I wrote on their form (vehicle was some 15 years out of rego prior to this)
I got with no problems it registered as a 5 seater vehicle as there were bench seats in the tub
all they were interested in were that chassis and engine number matched roadworthy certificate

Cheers Paul

[Slunnie]

This will be why LR are not concerned about the traditional Defender owner and commentary of dissatisfaction from current owners/enthusiasts. They want a volume seller.

[QRS40]

Just curious- How was soft top defined/ derived in the stats? My s1 is on full qld rego, Ute or station wagon were the only options, so Ute it is (3 seats up front, 80”). This was done about a year ago.
PS for anyone in seq- the tmr ladies at Nambour are lovely to deal with, and went above and beyond to help out despite several ‘computer says no’ issues..!

[RichardJ]

Just curious- How was soft top defined/ derived in the stats? My s1 is on full qld rego, Ute or station wagon were the only options, so Ute it is (3 seats up front, 80”). This was done about a year ago.
PS for anyone in seq- the tmr ladies at Nambour are lovely to deal with, and went above and beyond to help out despite several ‘computer says no’ issues..!

Hi QRS40
The counts by body type by model are as follows (I think these add up):
Series 1
4 Panel Van
6 Soft top
65 Utility
11 Wagon

Series 2

4 Panel Van
1 Soft top
39 Utility
18 Wagon

Series 2A
1 Campervan
3 Minibus
15 Panel Van

1 Sedan
2 Soft top
60 Utility
1 Van
16 Wagon

Series 3
3 Minibus
32 Panel Van
1 Sedan
2 Soft top
2 Ute cab'n'chassis
103 Utility

1 Van
79 Wagon

Looks a bit random … might be whoever enters it into the system.
Let me know if you want any other slice/dice or the cleaned csv.
Ta
Richard

[RichardJ]

Queensland Transport and Main Roads updated their OpenData vehicle rego stats last month.
Here's a quick summary on Series registrations:
Total light vehicles 3,933,255
Total count of Land Rovers (and what appear to be Leyland LR models) currently registered in Queensland (1948 to end of 2019) is around 27,230.
Total Series vehicles (including 101's) is 792.

Assumptions to classify into Series due to inconsistent model data:
Series 1 1948 – 1958
Series 2 1959 – 1961
Series 2a 1962 – 1971
Series 3 1972 – 1984

The data is certainly not clean. Obvious errors include:
A 1953 and 1955 Series 2
Several Series 2A listed in 1958 and the early 1980’s
A 1963 Range Rover
Several Series 2’s in the late 1960’s and early 70’s
Several 1970’s Defenders

After some broad reclassification (assigning models where none existed or obvious errors) and doing some slicing and dicing we find that:


Model

total count

Petrol

Diesel

with gas



101

6

4

1

1



S1

116

111

5




S2

43

38

4

1



S2A

203

182

16

5



S3

424

336

81

7





Most popular 3 colours in order are:
101 Green, beige, cream
S1 Green, grey, yellow
S2 Green, grey, blue
S2A Green, cream, grey
S3 Green, yellow, gold

Any other summaries of interest let me know.
Ta
Richard

[Bigbjorn]

Check for Leyland Land Rover. At Leyland T&B we registered all LR's and RR's as Leyland.

[RichardJ]

Check for Leyland Land Rover. At Leyland T&B we registered all LR's and RR's as Leyland.

Hi BigB
yup, I think I included all of them.
Some of the Leyland ones had models of Land Rover, Rover, Range Rover, Land and even just Rov. Others had more typical Series designations.
I didn’t include Leyland with no model at all, could be anything.

The data itself is pretty crap and inconsistent, model names varied from Roman numerals to normal numbers, some were “2A Series” then “Series 2A” or “Series IIA” and evening just “2A”
There are records with no manufacture date and plenty of spelling errors.

I’ll look at the body type tomorrow to see what the make up is. No way to tell short vs long though.
hope it’s of interest.
R

[JDNSW]

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I’ll look at the body type tomorrow to see what the make up is. No way to tell short vs long though.
hope it’s of interest.
R

Most of the Series 1 are listed as "utility". If this is even remotely correct it would be pretty remarkable that survival was that selective. Certainly nearly all lwb Series 1 were utes, but the swb probably outnumbered them at least 4:1 in this country, and the vast majority of these were rag tops. And nearly all the ones that were not were "panel vans", i.e hardtops. Utes were virtually unheard of.

So my guess is that the majority of the ones described as "utility" are not. I could believe selective survival if the majority were hardtops - these tend to be the preferable body as S/H Landrovers went into recreational use, so not only would these be more likely to survive, but, of course, being Landrovers, it is easy to swap the hardtop onto another one after the older one died.

The numbers for Series 2/3 are more believable, but my guess is a lot of the classifications for all Series Landrovers are wildly inaccurate.

[Bigbjorn]

All our new vehicle retail sales to general public customers as opposed to dealer sales at Truck and Bus were registered as private use utility as this was then the cheapest CTP classification. Station wagons excepted. In the early to late seventies nearly half of new LR sales were 109" with dropside bodies. Customers were principally primary producers and government. Few private sales for recreational use then. Leyland Truck and Bus, Rocklea, was the distributor for Queensland and Northern NSW down to Grafton. T&B were also the only Brisbane retail dealer. T&B took over distribution from Annand & Thomson in July 1973.

[JDNSW]

Yes, by the seventies most sales would have been utes or traybacks. But mostly lwb - swb utes were always rare. And yes, recreational four wheel drives were rarely bought new until late seventies - the Game was a symptom of this changing market. Before then, recreational users nearly all bought second hand ones.

[scarry]

The one in my sig is registered as a 'wagon',as its a 5 seater,has the bench seat in the rear.

[RichardJ]

I need to add some more records to my Series table as I just thought to check “Rover” as a make.
There seem to be a few Series under that as well as plenty of Range Rovers. There’s also a Make “Rover”, model “Range”.
I really don’t know how a rego system like this operates ... it seems like any value can be entered in any field.
Watch this space ...

[JDNSW]

A lot of the Series vehicles, those that have been registered for a long time, would have had the data entered off the paper records, where the only check on what was entered would be the officer filling out the form. Many of these would have no idea as to valid model descriptions.

[Bigbjorn]

A lot of the Series vehicles, those that have been registered for a long time, would have had the data entered off the paper records, where the only check on what was entered would be the officer filling out the form. Many of these would have no idea as to valid model descriptions.

Forms originally completed by junior clerks at a dealership who likewise had no idea of model.

[JDNSW]

Forms originally completed by junior clerks at a dealership who likewise had no idea of model.

This would apply for ones that have been continuously registered in Qld, but a lot will have changed states over their lives, and the paper entries will have been made by clerks at the Qld registry office who had even less idea. Probably whatever the applicant said. When did Queensland put it all on computer?

[Bigbjorn]

This would apply for ones that have been continuously registered in Qld, but a lot will have changed states over their lives, and the paper entries will have been made by clerks at the Qld registry office who had even less idea. Probably whatever the applicant said. When did Queensland put it all on computer?

Sometime in the 1970's. Stan Rawlings was the top man in Main Roads then and dragged them into the computer age. He lived three doors from me and told me about the internal battles as various sections fought to protect their turf. He realised in the mid 60's that the dept would never cope with the ever increasing workload of manual recording and accounting unless it computerised. So when the new modern high rise office building was built in Spring Hill Stan got the ball rolling. This building is now flats, a hotel, and other mostly accommodation and hospitality businesses. Main Roads got amalgamated with Transport.

All the old files are in the State Archives and can be accessed by researchers. Records were kept by registration number and you need to know this if you wish to see a file for a particular vehicle. They are manila folders with the number in heavy print across the front.

[JDNSW]

Thanks, so that means all the ones first registered in Qld before some time in the seventies (i.e all Series 1, probably all 2/2a and possibly early S3) were done on paper, and transferred to computer later. And when were regional offices all hooked up to the computer? or did they continue initial input on paper and send them to HO for transfer for a while.

[Bigbjorn]

Thanks, so that means all the ones first registered in Qld before some time in the seventies (i.e all Series 1, probably all 2/2a and possibly early S3) were done on paper, and transferred to computer later. And when were regional offices all hooked up to the computer? or did they continue initial input on paper and send them to HO for transfer for a while.

No idea where the work was done. Only ones currently registered at the time were data input. I know that initially all number plates were issued from Brisbane for many years and posted to non-metropolitan clients. Then certain regional offices were able to issue plates. Numbers in Qld. were only used once and could not be transferred to another vehicle. Personalised plates when they appeared were and still are able to be transferred from vehicle to vehicle. Nowadays one can pay to get the original number for a restored vehicle or one returning to service after a period of de-registration. The onus of proof that it is the same vehicle is on you. Make/model now come off the computer listing so no confusion there even if the TMR have it wrong as they have done. Odd and rare makes cause problems if the computer says "no such". I know a couple of guys who ran up against this bureaucratic brick wall. One had restored a 1920's Hall & Scott he bought in the USA and the other was an obscure early veteran whose make I can't remember. Another had to produce all sorts of evidence to convince TMR that his 1949 Kurtis Sports Car existed when the computer said it did not. Understandable as only 14 were made and none came to Australia until he imported his about 2013. The Hall & Scott was a light truck chassis bodied as a large touring car. Monster engine. Only one in Australia.

[RichardJ]

So I found another 5 Series under the "Rover" make (2 x S3 and 3 x S2A) bringing the total count to 797, so not many more really.
Table below is the body shape classification ... as mentioned by others this could have been influenced by different costs for registration classes over the years so unlikely to reflect what is actually on the road.
Rego data says there are only 5 Series 3 soft tops in QLD, somehow I don't think that is quite right [bighmmm]

So the summary of this is that if you have a green Series 3 utility you're not alone, there are 67 of you ... but if you have white Series 2 utility, you're one of a kind :lol2:
I've got a Camino Gold Series 3 wagon so I'm somewhere in the middle (I guess its a wagon ... compliance plate says Hardtop, not registered yet so I'll wait and see what they choose).



Model

Body shape

Count



101

UTILITY

4



101

WAGON

1



101

PANEL VAN

1



Series 1

UTILITY

88



Series 1

WAGON

14



Series 1

SOFT TOP

8



Series 1

PANEL VAN

4



Series 1

SEDAN

1



Series 1

MINIBUS

1



Series 2

UTILITY

28



Series 2

WAGON

9



Series 2

PANEL VAN

4



Series 2

SOFT TOP

2



Series 2A

UTILITY

140



Series 2A

WAGON

30



Series 2A

PANEL VAN

23



Series 2A

MINIBUS

7



Series 2A

SOFT TOP

2



Series 2A

VAN

2



Series 2A

SEDAN

1



Series 2A

CAMPERVAN

1



Series 3

UTILITY

231



Series 3

WAGON

112



Series 3

PANEL VAN

66



Series 3

MINIBUS

7



Series 3

SOFT TOP

5



Series 3

SEDAN

3



Series 3

UTE CAB'N'CHASSIS

1



Series 3

VAN

1