Advice for AT wheels and tyres for disco 4

[RHDisco]

Hi Guys, new to the forum after buying my first disco 4 2013 SDV6 SE last year. It came with 22 inch rims which look great but I want to pick up an AT set that I can use for occasional beach work. From what I have read in previous forums (thank you) is the 18” are recommended but you have less Tyre options and they look very expensive. My kids are still young so I won’t be doing any hard core off-road work for some time so do you think 19’s will be fine? Also, can anyone recommend a good land rover wheel and tyre suppplier in Brisbane? Thanks!

[ATH]

I thought the 19" on mine were a pain but 22" are even worse. Wouldn't like to try and get a tyre for one of them in the bush. Actually I dumped the original tyres at 36K and had Maxxis 980LT fitted and they are working well. Just done a long trip over some rough roads (Skull Springs Rd for example) and they came through without any cuts or chips.
Not sure yet about their ability on sand but that will come soon.
AlanH.

[RHDisco]

Thanks for the advice, had a quick look there and they are certainly getting good reviews and seem to be a good price. Any other recommendations? Need to find rims also, not sure about people’s thoughst on OEM’s vs after market?

[kelvo]

As you also need rims, have a look at the steel Tuff Ant 18” rims Discovery 18" wheels | Land rover 18" rims | Tuffant | Product Page (https://www.tuffant.com/product-page/set-of-5-tuff-ant-18x8-steel-wheels-back-satin-finish)

or if you want alloy rims Land Rover Discovery D4 Compomotive Wheels (https://4wd1.com/compomotive-wheels-discovery.html)

You’ll have a larger selection of tyres with 18” rims.

[scarry]

Thanks for the advice, had a quick look there and they are certainly getting good reviews and seem to be a good price. Any other recommendations? Need to find rims also, not sure about people’s thoughst on OEM’s vs after market?

OEM 18's won't fit the 3.0l D4.They will fit 2.7l only.

After market 18's is the only way to go.

If you go 19's,you will have issues,18's,and LT tyres is the only way to go.

[discomatt69]

Agree go 18 not 19 , after market as stated above but IMO go the tuff ant, don't look as good and slightly heavier BUT they will not crack like a few reports about the alloys and you can help an Aussie supplier , buy compomotive OS , the supplier here from recent history will take the $$ and you will be waiting a looooong time

[RHDisco]

Thanks guys, the tuff ants also look cheaper but looks like they are sold out until December. I have a few weekend trips next month I need them for. Will keep looking and report back. Thanks for all the help.

[cjc_td5]

Thanks guys, the tuff ants also look cheaper but looks like they are sold out until December. I have a few weekend trips next month I need them for. Will keep looking and report back. Thanks for all the help.There was a set of Tuffants for sale on here recently.

[BMKal]

I've recently fitted 265/60R18 Toyo Open Country A/T's. Very happy with them so far.

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[Ferret]

There is a set of Compomotives with tyres currently for sale in the 'Markets' section.

[Russrobe]

Hi Guys, new to the forum after buying my first disco 4 2013 SDV6 SE last year. It came with 22 inch rims which look great but I want to pick up an AT set that I can use for occasional beach work. From what I have read in previous forums (thank you) is the 18” are recommended but you have less Tyre options and they look very expensive. My kids are still young so I won’t be doing any hard core off-road work for some time so do you think 19’s will be fine? Also, can anyone recommend a good land rover wheel and tyre suppplier in Brisbane? Thanks!

I'd be sorting some TuffAnt18" wheels and something like this Dunlop AT22 Grandtrek 265/60R18 110H x 4 (set) | Wheels, Tyres & Rims | Gumtree Australia Dalby Area - Dalby | 1192280017 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/dalby/wheels-tyres-rims/dunlop-at22-grandtrek-265-60r18-110h-x-4-set-/1192280017)
These are from people with brand new 200series and Hiluxes going straight to a tyre shop for larger more aggressive AT's, for your use, that will be a waste of money until you want to hit long corrugated tracks.

This is exactly what i did for using around town, and they're fine for occasional beach work too. I paid $300 for a set of 4 brand new tyres identical to this from a new hilux so hunt around, this is just the first new set i found in Brisbane.
By comparison, a set of new Bridgestone D697's will be $1600 alone.

Everybody hates on the Grandtreks because they wear down quicker, but when you're getting a set of 4 for the price of one D697 you can't really complain.

Remember you'll have to pay a shop $25ea to fit and balance so hunt around.

Edit: I'd be offering that guy $600 MAX seeing as they're selling brand new for $1000 a set on tyresales right now.
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[scarry]

I've recently fitted 265/60R18 Toyo Open Country A/T's. Very happy with them so far.

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A mate of mine is in the LC76 club,a lot of them run the Toyo,in A/T,and muddy,and have an excellent run out of them.
One of them is a newly released model,it maybe the A/T.

[Russrobe]

Not sure why people waste money on aggressive AT's for highway/city driving. They increase fuel consumption, cost twice as much to buy and offer little benefit. Look good i guess.

[rar110]

Not sure why people waste money on aggressive AT's for highway/city driving. They increase fuel consumption, cost twice as much to buy and offer little benefit. Look good i guess.

I’d be happy with HTs as most of my off road is beach work. But can’t find a HT in 265/60/18s with decent load rating.

[Russrobe]

Tbh I'd say I actually use the D697s benefits on 2-3 trips a year when I'm either loaded to the point of needing the LT rating or going on tracks that benefit from them.

Worth every $ for those two trips, but not worth wasting tread the other 48 weeks of the year.

2 sets of wheels is the way to go long term.

Depends on your usage. Although I'd doubt most are much different.

Loved seeing the l/100 average sitting around 10.5 on the last trip I did on tarmac.

[RHDisco]

There is a set of Compomotives with tyres currently for sale in the 'Markets' section.

Thanks, $3500 though. Easy to get carried away as I’m a sucker for my toys and gadgets but for mostly city use and some beach work I think I’ll for once avoid temptation and go for so something not too $$$:)

[cjc_td5]

As I posted earlier, there are some Tuffants for sale in the markets section also.

Disco 3 Tuffants and tyres for sale (Nowra NSW) (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/wheels-tyres-suspension-for-sale/264912-disco-3-tuffants-tyres-sale-nowra-nsw.html)

Chris

[RHDisco]

As I posted earlier, there are some Tuffants for sale in the markets section also.

Disco 3 Tuffants and tyres for sale (Nowra NSW) (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/wheels-tyres-suspension-for-sale/264912-disco-3-tuffants-tyres-sale-nowra-nsw.html)

Chris

Thanks!! I’m in Brisbane, I presume postage would eat into any savings on bulky heavy items.

[cjc_td5]

Thanks!! I’m in Brisbane, I presume postage would eat into any savings on bulky heavy items.Yes, but they're available NOW. Get the tyres stripped off to save some freight weight.

[discomatt69]

Thanks!! I’m in Brisbane, I presume postage would eat into any savings on bulky heavy items.

Go for a drive with a empty roof rack...

[Eric SDV6SE]

2 sets of wheels is the way to go long term. Depends on your usage. Although I'd doubt most are much different. Loved seeing the l/100 average sitting around 10.5 on the last trip I did on tarmac.

Im running OEM 19's with MAXXIS AT980's - great on sand / mud / corrugations whatever. I ve had the Cooper ZEONs and also no issues - although with the high treadwear rating (540 or something silly) the rubber gets really hard and they become too slippery in the wet. We do a lot of camping and thats why I went the LT rated MAXXIS....

Still seeing 10.5 on the fuel consumption too.

Wish I had a second set of HTs - definitely the way to go - have to ask Santa nicely I guess...

Eric

[letherm]

Hi

In May I put a set of Michelin LTX Force 265/60/18 tyres on mine (2013 HSE D4) after receiving a set of 5 Compomotive 18" rims I had ordered from GOE (Gordon, as mentioned elsewhere).

My reason to go 18" were:
1. To get a better choice of tyre.
2. To make the ride more comfortable for my wife.
3. To get a tougher tyre after the OEM tyre split a sidewall by nudging a gutter going through an "S" calming patch early on in ownership.
4. Hopefully to have a better tyre for off road use which in my circumstance is wishful thinking at the moment due to my wife's health.[bigsad]

The reason for the Michelin rather than the usual brands used here was that it had a "cushion guard layer" which as the name implies gives a softer ride which was for me was a major factor. I have done about 1300kms since May and found them very good around town (Sydney). They are very comfortable, handle well in the dry and wet, aren't noisy and from reviews I have read should wear well. They weren't cheap but I am very happy with my decision - fwiw I got the best deal at a Michelin Dealer rather than the usual suspects. Obviously I can't comment on off road use but would expect better results than the OEM Wrangler 19" that came with the car. HT tyres would have been a more logical choice given I drive 95% in the city but I simply wanted a more rugged tyre. Personally, I like the look of them too so that was an added bonus but shouldn't come into the decision but if I'm honest did to a certain degree.[smilebigeye]

HTH

Martin

[Dagilmo]

I've recently fitted a set of 285/60/18 Toyo Open Country R/T. So far so good. Happy to offer further information if anyone is interested.

[Russrobe]

Im running OEM 19's with MAXXIS AT980's - great on sand / mud / corrugations whatever. I ve had the Cooper ZEONs and also no issues - although with the high treadwear rating (540 or something silly) the rubber gets really hard and they become too slippery in the wet. We do a lot of camping and thats why I went the LT rated MAXXIS....

Still seeing 10.5 on the fuel consumption too.

Wish I had a second set of HTs - definitely the way to go - have to ask Santa nicely I guess...

Eric
There's definitely options for 19", but seeing as he has to buy a set of wheels to replace his 22" wheels, there's no way i'd recommend going to 19". As others have mentioned there's a tonne of tyres choices in 18", plus they're readily available should you need to replace one in a remote area.

Bit of a difference between living with 19's because you have them and spending money to buy them.

[Eric SDV6SE]

There's definitely options for 19", but seeing as he has to buy a set of wheels to replace his 22" wheels, there's no way i'd recommend going to 19". As others have mentioned there's a tonne of tyres choices in 18", plus they're readily available should you need to replace one in a remote area.

Bit of a difference between living with 19's because you have them and spending money to buy them.

Agree with that

[cripesamighty]

The good thing is that 265/60/18 is common on Toyota’s, so outback travel would see that size more likely to be available in an emergency.

[Eric SDV6SE]

The good thing is that 265/60/18 is common on Toyota’s, so outback travel would see that size more likely to be available in an emergency.

Having said that, on a trip in 2016 to Karajini NP (Perth - Exmouth - Karajini - Newman - Meekatharra - Perth) we did a tyre on the sharp stones of the roads in the NP. OEM 19" wheel with Cooper Zeons.

Changed to the spare and in Newman went on the search for a replacement, did not fancy driving 1400km home without one. 1st tyre shop in Newman had at least 2 brand new 19" Hankooks in stock, fitted an balanced right then and there.

I see that 19" tyres are becoming more common. Agree that there are many more tyre choices out there for 18"s.\

Would like to fit the camper out with the same 19"s (requires new stub axles as the stud patterns don't match)

Eric

[Eric SDV6SE]

The good thing is that 265/60/18 is common on Toyota’s, so outback travel would see that size more likely to be available in an emergency.

On a 2016 trip to Karajini NP (Perth - Exmouth - Karajini - Newman - Meekatharra - Perth) we punctured two tyres (not at the same time luckily!) of the roads in the NP. OEM 19" wheel with Cooper Zeons.

Plugged one, (the other was immediately cactus - side wall tear) and in Newman went on the search for a replacement, as I did not fancy driving 1400km home without one. 1st tyre shop in Newman had at least 2 brand new 19" Hankooks in stock, fitted an balanced right then and there.

I see that 19" tyres are becoming more common around the place, even remote areas.

Agree that there are many more tyre choices out there for 18"s.

Would like to fit the camper out with the same 19"s (requires new stub axles as the stud patterns don't match), but thats another story.

Eric

[cripesamighty]

I had a tyre blow out on my D1 several years ago when I was at Karijini. The tyre shop had one tyre (not brand, just one tyre) that fit my car. I thanked my lucky stars!

[Graeme]

On a 2016 trip to Karajini NP (Perth - Exmouth - Karajini - Newman - Meekatharra - Perth) we punctured two tyres (not at the same time luckily!) of the roads in the NP. OEM 19" wheel with Cooper Zeons.

Plugged one, (the other was immediately cactus - side wall tear) and in Newman went on the search for a replacement, as I did not fancy driving 1400km home without one. 1st tyre shop in Newman had at least 2 brand new 19" Hankooks in stock, fitted an balanced right then and there.

I see that 19" tyres are becoming more common around the place, even remote areas.
The same 19" size on Amaroks so bound to be more readily these days.

[Turtle60]

Agree with that

If you got to buy rims then it has to be 18’s for sure. No brainer IMHO

[StewG]

Hi Guys, new to the forum after buying my first disco 4 2013 SDV6 SE last year.
I also have a MY13 SDV6 fitted with 19" original alloy wheels. Tyres are MAXXIS 980LT and despite the tread looking a bit shallow from new, they have now done over 30,000 km towing an off-road van on all manner of roads and tracks, e.g. Cape York, Lawn Hill, Wolf Creek Crater, Cameron Corner. Their performance has been great and no damage to date. I've not done any serious sand travelling, so can't speak about that, but hard and flinty surfaces and loose, very coarse, gravel have been no bother. Sealed wet roads are no bother, but they are a little noisier than original Goodyear tyres.

[pegasus181]

Hi I run Hankook AT's on my Disco 3 TDV6 on 18 inch rims. Great all rounders Sand, mud, ruts, gravel and on road. A little noisy at times.

[Macboy]

I recently put on the new Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain Plus after acquring some second hand Discovery 4 19” wheels through Gumtree for $950. Very happy with the A/T construction and on-road performance.

[LandySymo]

I thought the 19" on mine were a pain but 22" are even worse. Wouldn't like to try and get a tyre for one of them in the bush. Actually I dumped the original tyres at 36K and had Maxxis 980LT fitted and they are working well. Just done a long trip over some rough roads (Skull Springs Rd for example) and they came through without any cuts or chips.
Not sure yet about their ability on sand but that will come soon.
AlanH.

I am on my second set of Cooper LTZ 19 inch on my Disco 4. Nice looking tyre with reasonable off road performance and low road noise however I dont believe they are good value as only getting 45 to 50,000 kms out of a set of five on regular rotation. Needing to replace all including the spare and interested to know more about the maxxis 980 LT. As a true performance test any idea what kms you could expect out of a set of four on regular rotation (without rotating the spare) ?

Has anyone tried a few different brands in the 19 inch and got an opinion?

Also any tips on best dealers on the Sunshine Coast. I have been going to Sugar Road Tyre and mechanical super happy with the service however not sure if they carry all brands

[DiscoJeffster]

If I was getting 50k km out of four tyres I’d be happy however .....

[cjc_td5]

If I was getting 50k km out of four tyres I’d be happy however .....

My Hankooks are still going at 75,000km. Probably got another 10,000km left in them, possibly more over summer.

[discomatt69]

45-50,000 km out of a set of tires is woeful, I get that out of muddies on the D1 that get absolutely smashed by pressures and environment and then get rid of them with half the tread left. Something like Crapper Zeon should be heaps more, they are on my 19's from the previous owner and wear quicker than a pair of thongs on a hot day and the side wall is like tissue paper...

[ATH]

Went out yesterday for a wander and tried some sand hill climbing, a first since fitting the 980LTs to the D4. Oh dear. Great generally but the vehicle bottomed out on each hill as they had some deep ruts and I haven't put an extended lift on yet with the GAP tool. With the size of the ruts I'm not sure it would have changed things anyway. :(
Also the first time I've used the chicken tracks...... :)
Apart from that they're working out to be a good tyre.
AlanH.

[LandySymo]

My Hankooks are still going at 75,000km. Probably got another 10,000km left in them, possibly more over summer.

Which model Hankooks? Are they 19 inch?

[cjc_td5]

Which model Hankooks? Are they 19 inch?Yes 19", std D4 size.

[LandySymo]

Which model Hankooks? Are they 19 inch?

Also I have noticed on some o/s forums the Wrangler Duratrac AT Tyres getting a good write up as a 19 inch opiton. Why has no one mentioned them here on our AUS forum?

[Russrobe]

Also I have noticed on some o/s forums the Wrangler Duratrac AT Tyres getting a good write up as a 19 inch opiton. Why has no one mentioned them here on our AUS forum?

They don't appear to be in stock in Aus. Accept for here GOODYEAR WRANGLER DURATRAC 255/55R19 111Q NEW TYRE | Wheels, Tyres & Rims | Gumtree Australia Knox Area - Ferntree Gully | 1159116462 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/ferntree-gully/wheels-tyres-rims/goodyear-wrangler-duratrac-255-55r19-111q-new-tyre/1159116462) for $386. Reiterating why the OP should buy 18's.
Bridgestone D697s look like they're on special for $296 in 265 60 18. That's pretty much another buy 3 get one free deal.
Bargain, must be a sign.

[LRD414]

. Why has no one mentioned them here on our AUS forum?
They have been discussed quite a bit here and plenty of feedback offered over the years when they were virtually the only 19” option. A search should turn up a few threads. Some people had good experiences but on balance they were found to be relatively weak.

Scott

[LandySymo]

The good thing is that 265/60/18 is common on Toyota’s, so outback travel would see that size more likely to be available in an emergency.
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Does anyone know if Toyota rims off a very recent model Landcruiser will work on a Disco 4 3.0 as a second set of off road tyres? 285/ 60 R16 OR are Tuff Ant rims they only ones that will work as an 18inch option

[shanegtr]

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Does anyone know if Toyota rims off a very recent model Landcruiser will work on a Disco 4 3.0 as a second set of off road tyres? 285/ 60 R16 OR are Tuff Ant rims they only ones that will work as an 18inch option

Nope, different stud PCD

[rhinosm]

I have run Goodyear Wrangler Duratec for 3 trips to Central Australia and will be changing to 18" Tuffant and BFG for next trip.
Goodyear got cut to pieces in Great Victorian Desert and Nullarbor Desert whilst BFG on other vehicle were fine.
I ended up leaving them in Ceduna.

[StewG]

I am on my second set of Cooper LTZ 19 inch on my Disco 4. Nice looking tyre with reasonable off road performance and low road noise however I dont believe they are good value as only getting 45 to 50,000 kms out of a set of five on regular rotation. Needing to replace all including the spare and interested to know more about the maxxis 980 LT. As a true performance test any idea what kms you could expect out of a set of four on regular rotation (without rotating the spare) ?

At present I've got about 35,000 km out of my 19" MAXXIS 980 - never been rotated and most kms towing a 2.5.tonne van. They might be good for another 10k kms. The spare is still like new... The performance of them has been brilliant. Particularly on gravel roads where the gravel was like half bricks and just as sharp - enough to give the driver white knuckles. Fuel economy has been good too. Without the van, 110 kph highway driving between Melbourne and Seymour, managed to get 7.5 l/100km on two occasions.

[DiscoJeffster]

I’ve got Maxxis on the front and Crapper LTZ on the rear. I expect to total one rear next trip as always so will kill one of them then switch to Maxxis on the rear.

[Celtoid]

I’ve got Maxxis on the front and Crapper LTZ on the rear. I expect to total one rear next trip as always so will kill one of them then switch to Maxxis on the rear.

Are we bagging the Crapper LTZ's because that's a title that has been bestowed on the brand or is it specific to the LTZ? :-)

I rate my 285/60/18s that I have on GOEs for the driving I have done. However, I've read that the 18" LTZ is a much tougher tyre than the 19".

[Chris_Falcon]

I've recently fitted a set of 285/60/18 Toyo Open Country R/T. So far so good. Happy to offer further information if anyone is interested.

Sorry to revive an old post but I am new to the site having recently picked up a 2013 SE SDV6 and am thinking about changing to 18s.

How have you gone with the 285/60r18s? Any issues with tyre rub? What is the arrangement with your spare tyre?

[Tombie]

At 285s if the compressor fails and it drops - you won’t be driving it.

If you have read AC it will rub on the rear plastic liner.

Experiences and observations especially in certain conditions is that the wider rubber is worse in the wet once they wear 50%, works the vehicle harder in sand and chews more juice.

If you like the wide look. Go for it.

[Tombie]

Are we bagging the Crapper LTZ's because that's a title that has been bestowed on the brand or is it specific to the LTZ? :-)

I rate my 285/60/18s that I have on GOEs for the driving I have done. However, I've read that the 18" LTZ is a much tougher tyre than the 19".

Never seen a Cooper hold up as claimed.

[Dagilmo]

Sorry to revive an old post but I am new to the site having recently picked up a 2013 SE SDV6 and am thinking about changing to 18s.

How have you gone with the 285/60r18s? Any issues with tyre rub? What is the arrangement with your spare tyre?

Hi Chris,

Bit of a long story. The 18s were on my D3. I had a dual rear Kaymar bar so 285 tyres fitted without isuue on there. They did scrub a little in the guards but not enough to worry me. The biggest issue was the front passenger side where there is a bit of loom running along the chassis. This would be a problem if it either rubbed through or was ripped off. Tombie is correct about it being a problem if dropping to bump stops. Also, was significantly heavier on fuel and the 2.7 was found wanting with the extra gearing and weight (the Toyo R/Ts are a big heavy tyre) meaning it's pick up was a bit lethargic. Having said all that, they actually went well pretty well as far as off road and in the sand goes. Also, they do look pretty cool (which of course is personal opinion) being big wide and chunky.

Sooo, when I sold the 3. I put some other tyres on and kept the 285s as they were only a few 000ks old. They are in the shed. The D4 came with 20"s so I bought a second hand set of Compomotives that came with 265/60 Cooper AT3s with a bit of tread. So the plan is to wear these down and put the 285 on. Spare, I'm guessing will go on roof, or on rear carrier if I have one on by then- which is possible as the 20s have heaps of tread and the coopers are as hard a rock so will take ages to wear :angry:. I'll need to protect the loom in the passenger wheel arch somehow and I have a GOE emergency air up kit (that never, thankfully, got fitted to the D3) to fit.

Now, knowing what I know now. I wouldn't go for 285s. I'd look at either 265/60 or the 265/65 (though this is off the top of my head, here is heaps of info on here about sizes) as they fit better and the 285s don't offer any performance advantages.

Hope this helps.

[Tombie]

Those Coopers once they hit 5yo. Bin them.. not worth risking the damage bill.

[Dagilmo]

Those Coopers once they hit 5yo. Bin them.. not worth risking the damage bill.

In what regard?

Because they get hard and are dangerous? Or they fail?

I had a set of STs on a Navara in the past and they were down right dangerous in the wet. Still had tread but really slippery...

[Tombie]

In what regard?

Because they get hard and are dangerous? Or they fail?

I had a set of STs on a Navara in the past and they were down right dangerous in the wet. Still had tread but really slippery...

I have seen way too many fail. Causing thousands in damage as they rip the guard and everything behind it apart.

[ramblingboy42]

At present I've got about 35,000 km out of my 19" MAXXIS 980 - never been rotated and most kms towing a 2.5.tonne van. They might be good for another 10k kms. The spare is still like new... The performance of them has been brilliant. Particularly on gravel roads where the gravel was like half bricks and just as sharp - enough to give the driver white knuckles. Fuel economy has been good too. Without the van, 110 kph highway driving between Melbourne and Seymour, managed to get 7.5 l/100km on two occasions.

hi Stew,

having been driving the SA desert roads twice a year for over 20yrs I'm interested in which gravel roads you may referring to.....to avoid if possible.

I can only really think of perhaps 2 roads I've travelled in last couple of years that could even come close to what you describe.

I should be on some of those roads next week but nevermind , they'll still be there later , and the friends I have out bush will still be there as well.

Den

[StewG]

hi Stew,

having been driving the SA desert roads twice a year for over 20yrs I'm interested in which gravel roads you may referring to.....to avoid if possible.


Den

Sorry, I can't place them exactly for you. We did a 24,000 km lap around Aus and the one I particularly remember for white knuckles looked as if it had been recently resurfaced by dumping loads of 4" screenings on it for many kms. There have been plenty of other roads where small rocks have been frequently dislodged and strewn about. A real worry when I only have one spare tyre. But as I said, the Maxxis survived beautifully and went on to give me 60,000 km before replacement.

[ramblingboy42]

Good to hear of your success Stew

If you're on a good thing stick to it.

Last year in April I put a set of Faulkens on, they seemed very good and were only a week old when I shredded one on one of those bricks you mentioned.

I was near Olympic Dam so pulled into the Bridgestone dealer there and put a 697 on. Next day on the way to William Ck I punctured another Faulken. An enthusiastic guy from WA elbowed me out the way and repaired it for me. I got back to Qld and had that tyre professionally repaired.

In August same year I shredded another Faulken on that bastard limestone rock road south of Noccundra and again continued on to Olympic Dam and the guy there had a 2nd hand Cooper he offered for $70 fitted so I put it on. The 697 is rh rear, the cooper spare, so currently run 3 different tyres. Just before that series of events I had been bragging on here about not having had even a puncture for over 20yrs.

So. hope your good luck doesn't run out.

[Tombie]

I’ve had one puncture in 20 years (on my own vehicles, had about 50 this year on the work LV) - happened on the highway between Berri and Waikerie.

Piece of rebar through the LHR. That was on a near new D697 and killed it.

Falkens have now been on for close to 2 years and not a problem at all on the gibber - touch wood.

On e went on a trip where a bloke with new BFGs managed to puncture every tyre at least 3-4 times.

Sometimes it’s just the luck of the draw.

[RANDLOVER]

I’ve had one puncture in 20 years (on my own vehicles, had about 50 this year on the work LV) - happened on the highway between Berri and Waikerie.

Piece of rebar through the LHR. That was on a near new D697 and killed it.

Falkens have now been on for close to 2 years and not a problem at all on the gibber - touch wood.

On e went on a trip where a bloke with new BFGs managed to puncture every tyre at least 3-4 times.

Sometimes it’s just the luck of the draw.

Obviously you let the BFG guy drive in front? [biggrin]

[Tombie]

Obviously you let the BFG guy drive in front? [biggrin]

Hahaha

I was a BFG user for years, and then had access to a plethora of brands so went on a run of testing different manufacturers and models.
BFG are a benchmark, long exceeded by many others.

Going first or following both have drawbacks.

Go first, and you may well find that old rail spike, sharp gibber or other foreign object.
Follow, and the surface is often flicked over by the preceding vehicle exposing items looking to wreck your tyre.

I'll also been on trips where almost identically configured vehicles running the same rubber has had one suffer multiple failures, while the other had no problems. Similar can be said for fuel burn between operators. [bigwhistle]

[Celtoid]

Those Coopers once they hit 5yo. Bin them.. not worth risking the damage bill.

Sorry Tombie,

Haven't been on the forum for a while.

Thanks for the advice. I've had my LTZs sitting around for a while now and was going to fit them to wear them out as I was aware of the potential hardening and cracking issues on any ageing tyre …. might have to rethink that.

Cheers,

Kev.

[DiscoDB]

Interestingly checked the age of the Cooper AT3’s on my D3 - 8 years old and still over 50% tread remaining. But they are starting to crack - so time to replace.

First time I have needed to replace tyres due to age and not wear. Clearly not driving enough.

[Chris_Falcon]

Hi Chris,

Bit of a long story. The 18s were on my D3. I had a dual rear Kaymar bar so 285 tyres fitted without isuue on there. They did scrub a little in the guards but not enough to worry me. The biggest issue was the front passenger side where there is a bit of loom running along the chassis. This would be a problem if it either rubbed through or was ripped off. Tombie is correct about it being a problem if dropping to bump stops. Also, was significantly heavier on fuel and the 2.7 was found wanting with the extra gearing and weight (the Toyo R/Ts are a big heavy tyre) meaning it's pick up was a bit lethargic. Having said all that, they actually went well pretty well as far as off road and in the sand goes. Also, they do look pretty cool (which of course is personal opinion) being big wide and chunky.

Sooo, when I sold the 3. I put some other tyres on and kept the 285s as they were only a few 000ks old. They are in the shed. The D4 came with 20"s so I bought a second hand set of Compomotives that came with 265/60 Cooper AT3s with a bit of tread. So the plan is to wear these down and put the 285 on. Spare, I'm guessing will go on roof, or on rear carrier if I have one on by then- which is possible as the 20s have heaps of tread and the coopers are as hard a rock so will take ages to wear :angry:. I'll need to protect the loom in the passenger wheel arch somehow and I have a GOE emergency air up kit (that never, thankfully, got fitted to the D3) to fit.

Now, knowing what I know now. I wouldn't go for 285s. I'd look at either 265/60 or the 265/65 (though this is off the top of my head, here is heaps of info on here about sizes) as they fit better and the 285s don't offer any performance advantages.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the reply, and sorry for my slow response. Thinking 265/65r18s may be the way to go. I am not so concerned about width but would like a bigger sidewall.

[TheSaltyDisco]

I recently put on the new Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain Plus after acquring some second hand Discovery 4 19” wheels through Gumtree for $950. Very happy with the A/T construction and on-road performance.

I’m in the market for AT for 19 inch rims for my D4. How did those Pirelli’ go?

[DazzaTD5]

There is a set of Compomotives with tyres currently for sale in the 'Markets' section.

If they are the original ones from green oval experience then I wouldnt bother as I have had numerous customers over the years with cracked wheels.

P.S didnt realise it was an old thread as I'm currently searching for info with regards to steel wheel options or 18" wheels in general for a late model D4.

[Macadamia]

If they are the original ones from green oval experience then I wouldnt bother as I have had numerous customers over the years with cracked wheels.

P.S didnt realise it was an old thread as I'm currently searching for info with regards to steel wheel options or 18" wheels in general for a late model D4.

Steelies? You can't go past Tuffants. They even look good for Steelies!

[DazzaTD5]

Steelies? You can't go past Tuffants. They even look good for Steelies!

IMHO
*I had a customer that has fitted a set of Tuffant steel wheels to their D4 a few months back and a couple of issues that are making me rethink putting them on a D4.
*One steel wheel the centre was pressed out of round and wouldnt balance, it was replaced with another Tuffant steel wheel.
*The taper on the lug nut holes look too small for the taper on the lug nuts so the leading edge of the taper on the lug nut hits the outer edge of the taper on the steel wheel.
*So visually you can see that the lug nut is cutting into the steel wheel rather than seating into the taper around the hole.

*The customer was sent 2 sets of alloy rings that go onto the wheel hub but they are so thin once you do a wheel change on and off its shredded.
*Even when fitting a wheel back onto the hub with new alloy rings they can get damaged very easily.

Keep in mind I'm not a engineer or anything like that and is only my observation with having the disco in for some maintenance.

[Macadamia]

IMHO
*I had a customer that has fitted a set of Tuffant steel wheels to their D4 a few months back and a couple of issues that are making me rethink putting them on a D4.
*One steel wheel the centre was pressed out of round and wouldnt balance, it was replaced with another Tuffant steel wheel.
*The taper on the lug nut holes look too small for the taper on the lug nuts so the leading edge of the taper on the lug nut hits the outer edge of the taper on the steel wheel.
*So visually you can see that the lug nut is cutting into the steel wheel rather than seating into the taper around the hole.

*The customer was sent 2 sets of alloy rings that go onto the wheel hub but they are so thin once you do a wheel change on and off its shredded.
*Even when fitting a wheel back onto the hub with new alloy rings they can get damaged very easily.

Keep in mind I'm not a engineer or anything like that and is only my observation with having the disco in for some maintenance.

that's disappointing. did you feed that info back to tuffant? They're a QLD business and I imagine we're their biggest customer base so would be pretty keen to resolve any issues. Unfortunately I have not heard of any other steels made for/fitted to 3.0L D4.

[apom]

Andrew from TuffAnt here.

Firstly, on the lug nuts. These are packed and shipped at the factory and there was a small number of wheels from the last batch that had the wrong tapered nuts. We have had these verified by the engineer they present no issue with these from a safety perspective. That said, anyone that has raised them we have shipped and happy to ship them a new set for free.

Secondly, the hub rings are there to allow for any variation or where on the centre bore and are aluminium. These are only needed if people are having balance issues with some off-road tyres, especially as the tyres get older. Again these are free of charge and have had no one mention this to us of any hub rings being destroyed so weird someone is mentioning it here.

Mostly importantly, those that have dealt with us, know the thing we always put at the top of our list is customer service and stand behind our products on this basis. Like any product from time to time we do have faults, errors or a product that gets through QA, no different from any other product. How we deal will these issues is something we are immensely proud of unlike most vendors that simply don’t care. That is 100% not the TuffAnt way.

We do also improve our product with every shipment, sometimes these are small improvements, sometimes large, and this comes from valued feedback from our loyal customers.

The TuffAnt difference here is we stand by that for our customers. Of course for us to do this we need to here from them directly in the first place that there is an issue so we can assist them in providing a solution. This usually happens quickly but from time to time when we are away testing new products it may take a little time to get back to people but we always do so.

Sadly, in recent times we have been so busy we haven’t been able to contribute to forums like this as much as possible but thankfully a new addition to the staff should assist in this area along with some exciting news on new products coming soon.

As always, please feel free to contact us directly on any and all issues or general questions about our products.

[DazzaTD5]

Some pics while I had the D4 in my workshop...

[DazzaTD5]

My customer has been in contact with Tuffant and was told while they arent a safety issue (I dont believe anyone actually brought this up) they are the incorrect wheel lugs. Apparently they are going to send them new wheel lugs, I believe my customer is waiting on a reply.

[Steve86]

I've recently fitted 265/60R18 Toyo Open Country A/T's. Very happy with them so far.

145195

Dredging up an old post but I'd be interested to hear how the Toyo's are performing - road noise, any rubbing, spare tyre fit etc. Just bought a D4 with 20 inch rims so will be looking at swapping out to 18 ATs.

Also, if anyone's got tuffant alloys it'd be good to hear how they've performed.

Cheers, Steve

[shanegtr]

Dredging up an old post but I'd be interested to hear how the Toyo's are performing - road noise, any rubbing, spare tyre fit etc. Just bought a D4 with 20 inch rims so will be looking at swapping out to 18 ATs.

Also, if anyone's got tuffant alloys it'd be good to hear how they've performed.

Cheers, Steve
heres my thoughts on Toyo AT2.

https://youtu.be/3yCJugTP0r0
Toyo have the AT3 now so they may have improved the wet weather handling on those

[LRD414]

….. if anyone's got tuffant alloys it'd be good to hear how they've performed.
Well I’m very happy with them. Taken all the abuse thrown at them on our big lap this year including some pretty rough roads. Fully loaded basically the whole time too.

Scott

[Steve86]

heres my thoughts on Toyo AT2.

Toyo have the AT3 now so they may have improved the wet weather handling on those

Great reviews of both the Toyos & Falkens. I had Toyo AT2's on my previous vehicle (Pajero) & found them to be a good on road/off road all rounder. Would you have any comments for Toyo v Falken road noise?

Falken also have an option for 265/65R18, but based on comments in other threads it sounds like it would be slightly too large to fit in the spare wheel well inflated. Difference in diameter between 265/60 and 264/65 is about 1 inch (30.6 vs 31.5").

Does anyone have the measurement for the wheel well maximum diameter? I assume it's about 31".

My other option is to stick with the 20 inch rims as there are a few 265/50R20 ATs available (same diameter as 265/60R18) - but I worry about having minimal side wall.

[shanegtr]

Would you have any comments for Toyo v Falken road noise?


Toyo's quieter overall. Falken's where dead quite for the first 1000km's or so before they developed a mild hum. Nothing too bad but more noticeable than other AT's I've run.

[Tombie]

Toyo's quieter overall. Falken's where dead quite for the first 1000km's or so before they developed a mild hum. Nothing too bad but more noticeable than other AT's I've run.

Strange.

My Falkens were silent the entire time they were on.
They’re on the kids 4wd now and still quiet.

The D697s and a mate with Toyos are louder.

My RTs hum for sure, although easily tolerated.

[BMKal]

Dredging up an old post but I'd be interested to hear how the Toyo's are performing - road noise, any rubbing, spare tyre fit etc. Just bought a D4 with 20 inch rims so will be looking at swapping out to 18 ATs.

Also, if anyone's got tuffant alloys it'd be good to hear how they've performed.

Cheers, Steve

Haven't had any issues at all with the Toyos and they still have a lot of life in them yet. Haven't been off road with them much compared with what I did on the previous Mickey T's, but they have handled everything I have put them through without problems. I've dropped them to less than 15psi in soft sand and we pulled out two bogged Toyotas and made it look easy enough to be very embarrassing for their drivers. They work very well in sand, and also climbing steep rock faces down near Esperance. A little bit of a hum on smooth bitumen around town now that they've got a bit of wear - but hardly noticeable at all. Can't hear them at all out on the highway at least at any speed up to ~ 130.

The owner of the local tyre service who supplied them has told me that they are still by far his best seller into the mines around here, as they seem to outlast just about anything else - and he sells quite a few different brands. Definitely quieter than the Mickey T's I had on before these, and looking like they are easily going to outlast them as well.

[Chris_Falcon]

I thought I would drop an update on my AT experience on the D4 given this seems to be a perennial thread :)
I fitted Tuffant steelies with Falken Wildpeak 265/65r18 and have travelled 26k KMs with them. No-one could balance them properly when I first fitted them 12 months ago and I would get a wobble in the steering wheel at speeds greater than 100. That has settled down now.
That size tyre means I have to drop the pressure in the spare to about 8psi to fit it in and even so it is a struggle. The tow hitch also won't fit on the car...not a problem for me as I don't tow but if you do, steer clear of this size tyre.
I get a little rubbing at the front on full lock. My indie checked what happens on the bump stops and apparently there is a little rubbing at the rear.
The tyres are great; no excessive noise, handle well in the wet, perform really well off-road and on the highway. I haven't had any punctures yet but also haven't been through Central Australia with them ;) Most of the off-road work I have done is on the NSW mid-north coast where the tracks are steep and tough.
The wear seems okay...7mm tread remaining and I am rough on tyres.