New Disco Stops!! Mrs swift not happy---

[Pedro_The_Swift]

'tis true,,
it failed to proceed.
stopped at a chemist came out,, no go.
Racq arrives, tests battery, A OK!

then he says something really weird---



"lets push the car down there--"


so we pushed,,


and low and behold the car starts!


it seems Series II's have a little problem with power lines,,,,

park under one big enough and oggniB!
no start, or even door lock.

Was THAT one well documented Inc?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ :wink:

[drivesafe]

Actually pedro, was it an Amcal chemist.

There is something to do with their security scanners at the entrance that plays up with the discos.

There are a number of things that will do it.

I have a set of Sennheiser wireless headphones and they stop everything within 20 metres of the base transmitter from unlocking or locking.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by drivesafe
Actually pedro, was it an Amcal chemist.

There is something to do with their security scanners at the entrance that plays up with the discos.

There are a number of things that will do it.

I have a set of Sennheiser wireless headphones and they stop everything within 20 metres of the base transmitter from unlocking or locking.

8O
you ARE good Tim,,,
yes it was an amcal,,

funny though,, the car started outside the chemist ( heres where I cop it---) and we drove it 50metres to a servo :oops: where it didnt start

I kinda didnt want to mention the servo :oops: :roll:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

so,, am I reading your reply right--- its the locking mechanism that wont let the car start??

[weeds]

gee best you dont do any of those trackes under the really big power llines

[DeeJay]

The RACV even had an article saying not to park out the front of the Inverloch Post Office- same thing, and the local RACV patrolman just tows it 100m away.
BTW a professional photographer mate of mine used to take his remote camera unit down to the park and activate it- the remote planes just fell out of the sky. His idea of fun.. :?

[Bytemrk]

8O 8O 8O 8O

Bugger.....


Never had that happen to me............................yet!

Maybe you should have bought one with a sunroof Pedro...




... easier to spot those power lines :roll:

Mark



PS. Pedro... I replied to your CDL PM a few days ago.... but it's still sitting in my outbox.... they tell me that's cause you haven't read it yet :?

[one_iota]

Electrickery....

I have heard this before but dismissed it as an Urban Myth 8O

The other one that causes consternation is the proximity of the GSM mobile phone to the cars brain.. 8O :?

[noddy]

I was reading the manual of the Defender the other day (same immobilizer as the D2) and it operates off (from memory) 800Mhz band.

I am sure someone will confirm, but interference in that bandwidth will affect the entire system (doors, immobiliser etc).

Will try and find that section in the manual again..... :?

[noddy]

Originally posted by one_iota

The other one that causes consternation is the proximity of the GSM mobile phone to the cars brain.. 8O :?

GSM operates off the 900Mhz spectrum, CDMA 800MHz, so they are not far off what the immobilser is running off.

Something for the Aust Communications Authority (ACA) as I thought that spectrum was licensed :?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Good 'ole LR,,
gets you both ways,,,

in the city we have to watch out for security cameras,,

in the bush we have to watch out for CDMA phones :roll:

[noddy]

Found what I was looking for in the manual (bloody hard to find stuff in those manuals :roll: :wink: )

According to the manual, the anti-theft ECU operates on 315MHz (in Aust).

This makes more sense than the 800/900/1800MHz which is licensed spectrum.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift
so,, am I reading your reply right--- its the locking mechanism that wont let the car start??

Ok,, soooo-
Noddy your saying its the anti-theft ECU that gets its knickers twisted?

so what runs at THAT frequency?
apart from security cameras :roll:
(I was at least 40-50 metres away from the chemist--)

[Jamo]

Maybe it's designed that way so you can't rob amcal chemists and use a Disco as a getaway car!

[noddy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>so what runs at THAT frequency?
apart from security cameras
(I was at least 40-50 metres away from the chemist--)[/b][/quote]

Not sure Pedro. To the best of my knowledge that spectrum is not licensed.

Will do some homework with teh ACA and get back to you though.

[noddy]

315MHz is not licensed spectrum and from doing a quick look around there seems to be all sorts of devices operating in this badnwidth.

The following link might be of some interest.

http://www.maxim-ic.com/solutions/ism_rke_...ex.mvp/pl_pk/14 (http://www.maxim-ic.com/solutions/ism_rke_srd/index.mvp/pl_pk/14)

[jdinow]

I have heard it is something to do with Amcal chemist's electronic inventory system (which may be their security system) & the easiest solution is to go in & ask them to trun it off while you start up & drive away. They are apparently very aware of the issue.

BTW it also supposedly happens with some Jags as well.

Because it's probably the security scanners at the shop exit, the servo may have them (or similar) as well.

Cheers,
Peter
00 TD5 SLS ACE
(Almost surely for sale soon)

[Disco123]

Happened to me twice in Kerang too on separate occasions about 3 years ago. had almost forgotten about it until it happened here in Adelaide on Saturday (but not outside an Amcal!).
With security horn blaring, my son and I pushed it about 10 metres and it stopped.

PITA when it happens but it's easily fixed when you know what to do.

[muddymech]

happens all the time in the uk, petrol stations covered in mobile phone transmitters, cameras and what ever else can run off airwaves, also happens in car parks, definatly a good security device.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">there is a code which should be in the hand book that allows you to bypass
the immobiliser.....it is entered by using the ignition switch.....
and if you had the car lock with the magic button....
you unlock it with the key (cos the button no workee) and try and enter
the code while the alarm is blaring the horn to attract the attention of the
tojo drivers that are gathering around to have a good laugh......</span>

[drivesafe]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift
Ok,, soooo-
Noddy your saying its the anti-theft ECU that gets its knickers twisted?

so what runs at THAT frequency?
apart from security cameras :roll:
(I was at least 40-50 metres away from the chemist--)

Pedro, if you were 50 metres away from the chemist then it is unlikely that the chemist was the problem and more likely the servo probably had similar scanners at their shop exit.

Nobby, 315 MHz is an open frequency used primarily for wireless domestic and automotive security systems and thats why both the disco’s frequency and the shop exit scanners are around the same frequency.

And Zook, the code only works when the dealer gives you the correct one in the first place.

I bought my series II disco from that anal retentive pack of crooks, Austral Motors in Brisbane and one many, MANY problems that mongrel pack of barsteds caused me was to give me the security code label for some other vehicle.

In a worst situation, LRA can give you the correct code for your vehicle, but for security reasons, it a big job getting it from them.

[hiline]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>MANY problems that mongrel pack of barsteds caused me was to give me the security code label for some other vehicle.
[/b][/quote]

same thing happened to the wife's rangie :evil: :evil: :evil:

wrong code for the radio :roll: :roll: :roll:

and it was a real nightmare getting the right one ..........

[Scouse]

Later P38 RRs switched to 433MHz to get away from interference problems. We used to have quite a few cars towed in from Carlingford shopping centre that would start right away in the workshop.

If the car was under warranty, LR would upgrade the locksets to 433MHz.

[Farnarkle]

I'm getting nervous again - Austral's my closest dealer - how often does this immobiliser prob occur? What do you have to do to get it to occur? Forgive the dumb questions - Does this happen with the D3?

[Ace]

There have been articles and letters in LROI over the last few years speaking of this problem. From memory it was the object the vehicle was parked by interfering with the remote central locking button and the immobiliser not being deactivated or something like that. Matt

[gofish]

I have had my S2 Disco for about 3 years now. Same thing happened to me when i first got it . I rang the dealer & he told me to lock the car again, wait 20-30 secs & unlock it again. Sure enough she started no problems after that. It has happened a few times but now i Know what to do it isn't as painful. By the way, most times it has happened has been in the drive with no power lines,etc in the way. I think it is more of a central locking/alarm problem. This method sure beats pushing the thing anyway 8O
Hope this can help https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[BigJon]

Discovery Series IIs parked outside the School of the Air here in Alice Springs almost always have central locking issues. I think it must be the massively powerful transmitters that they have there.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Funny thing is we talked aboiut this Saturday night https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

A friend has a d2 and if he parks it at the top of his borthers driveway it won't start. Push it to the bottom and all is well and off he goes... we haven't found out what is doing it yet... 8O :roll:

[drivesafe]

I think you will find there is a difference between pedro’s problem and the problem gofish is having.

Pedro’s problem is caused by an external radio signal over powering the signal being generated by his fob key transmitter.

This is not only a common problem suffered by Landy owners but is also something that effects other makes of vehicles but apparently not to the same extent as certain models of Landies.

Gofish’s problem is more likely to be an internal system fault or it could be as simple as incorrect use of the transmitter.

While I had my series II, on a number of occasions I turned my ignition to the ON position and the disco went into Limp Home Mode.

I would have to turn the ignition off and arm the alarm. Then after a short period I could disarm the alarm and start the disco.

I was telling another disco owner about the fault and he said he had the same problem until he realised that he was pressing the alarm button as he was turning the key in the ignition switch.

Sure enough, that must have been it and I never had the problem again.

[drivesafe]

Originally posted by Captain_Rightfoot
Funny thing is we talked aboiut this Saturday night https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

A friend has a d2 and if he parks it at the top of his borthers driveway it won't start. Push it to the bottom and all is well and off he goes... we haven't found out what is doing it yet... 8O :roll:

Captain_Rightfoot, next time your friend is at his brothers place, ask him to see if the house has a TV antenna amplifier.

I use to make and fit remote controlled home security systems and we had a common problem with some of these devices.

[mrapocalypse]

This will help in most situations. It's pretty simple but it happens at TV stations all the time, the central locking is overpowered by external transmissions and I do it to my Dii.

You touch the car bodywork with the key and press the button. If it doesn't work in one spot try another. Try the plastic bot and the actual key. You should have no more problems.

Works everytime.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">so what you are doing is earthing out the key.......

which could mean its static causing the problem and not radio interference...


putting the key in the lock should do the same.....earth out the key.....</span>

[PhilipA]

Those RF little weather stations you can buy at Jaycar apparently are a major cause of interference.
You know sensors outside receiver inside
regards Philip A

[mrapocalypse]

I wouldn't say it was static, just that all the extra Electro radiation about is diminishing the power of your little key zapper. Touching it on the car removes the need for the radio signal to travel through space.

The air is full of interfearance. And it's only gunna get worse.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Originally posted by drivesafe+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(drivesafe)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Captain_Rightfoot
Funny thing is we talked aboiut this Saturday night https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

A friend has a d2 and if he parks it at the top of his borthers driveway it won't start. Push it to the bottom and all is well and off he goes... we haven't found out what is doing it yet... 8O :roll:

Captain_Rightfoot, next time your friend is at his brothers place, ask him to see if the house has a TV antenna amplifier.

I use to make and fit remote controlled home security systems and we had a common problem with some of these devices.[/b][/quote]
You mean like a masthead amplifier?

I'm going over there on the weekend and will look around https://www.aulro.com/afvb/