The great fuel boycott

[trog]

I wonder how effective this will be ? Wasn’t there something like this promoted a few years back as well. I my opinion it would be as useful as holding your breath in an elevator after someone has farted.

[Eevo]

98 is $1.88
ouch!

[loanrangie]

91 and diesel at $1.699/l here.

[DiscoMick]

Dropped to 152 here since talk of a boycott started.
Bring on electric cars!

[Hall]

What was once proposed was a boycott of jut one supplier like shell for a week then another one the next week and so on. Problem would be the organization of such a idea. If it did get of the ground it would hurt the petrol companies.
Cheers Hall

[Homestar]

Geez, that old chestnut. That’s been around since petrol hit 80 cents a litre and it has never had any legs. We all need fuel, we’ve become reliant on it - they will squeeze us for every cent while they can. While I too am looking forward to mass produced cheap electric cars I can charge off my solar they’ll find a way to make money from that too.

[Ean Austral]

$1.72 for Diesel & $1.61 for Petrol yesterday here. - could be had a few cents cheaper at the indi's if you shopped around .

I know what we pay for bulk diesel after the fuel rebate and someone is putting a nice little earn in the pocket even after the rebate and GST is added on .

Its a neccisary evil and they know it . the average person will fold before the fuel companies do.

Cheers Ean

[jonesfam]

Pricing fuel is comlicated.
In Doomadgee our fuel is over $2.00 a litre which sure aint cheap.
This year every time I buy in fuel it has gone up by .05c per Lt, then you have all the costs of storing & selling it.
EG At the start of the Wet I'm holding 70,000Lt of Opal & the same in Diesel, thats a lot of money sitting in the tanks which is money I can't spend elswhere or may even have to borrow with interest.
If we have a big Wet I hardly sell it because no-one can dive anywhere but I have to have that much because the fuel suppliers won't deliver during the Wet & if we are not shut off I have to be able to supply but can't get deliveries.
Then you have the cost of Drive Off's (more regular than you would think) the cost of carrying accounts, the cost of repairs (huge out here), staffing, put some money aside for capital improvements, paying off infrastructure, Environmental costs, compliance costs & the list goes on.
So, after much mind boggling mathematics I have worked out I have to make a certain number of cents per Lt to break even & then I actually have to make some profit or what's the point?
So, I buy my fuel delivered for $Y then cover all my cost for $X then try to make some money out of the whole deal, lets say $Z. YXZ = $2.01 for Opal & $2.05 for Diesel at the moment. But 12 months ago YXZ was = $1.25 for both, I made the same number of cents per Lt (actually a couple more than I do now) but sold more fuel so I make less out of fuel now than I did 12 months ago.
I'm not saying that some places don't gouge but firstly it is very expensive to sell fuel & secondly you are far more likely to be gouge when wholesale fuel is cheap because even at a couple of cents more than what it should be you still think it's cheap.

Justification/rant over.

Jonesfam

[laney]

Fuel prices have gone up world wide the Americans don't help our problem as they put sanshins on oil production country's out dollar has dropped so oil goes up. Now what I don't understand is lpg has gone up to last week I put gas in my partners falcon at 79.9 cents per litre same place yesterday 97.9 cents per litre as I understand our gas is not opec controlled it's local.

[Chops]

JF,,
I don't think anyone, especially here on the forum begrudges what you guys out in the sticks charge. I think we've all seen how much it takes to get it out there etc, and we're happy to pay when we get out there. You guys out bush, do NOT need to justify anything dude. (We've seen "Sludge" on Outback Truckers too [thumbsupbig])

Our problem is the shops in and around town, and the fact they can charge what they want, and no one seems to bat an eyelid or do anything about it.
Fuel here can go up 20 cents/Lt on a Thursday arvo,, right after most of us have been paid, and before the weekend, when people need to run around seeing people or getting kids to sports etc,, then goes down again on Monday. Fuel (barrel price) go up, and thats reflected at the pump "on the day",, nothings been delivered yet to anyone, but it seems we have to pay the new upped price immediately. If it should come down,, no, you have to wait until the new fuel comes in to receive the new lower price.

It's just plain wrong, and a rip-off, and people are sick of it.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

yea,, LPG went up 20cpl overnight,, its at 89.9 EVERYWHERE on the Sunny coast,,
what are the odds on that I wonder...

[4bee]

Geez, that old chestnut. That’s been around since petrol hit 80 cents a litre and it has never had any legs. We all need fuel, we’ve become reliant on it - they will squeeze us for every cent while they can. While I too am looking forward to mass produced cheap electric cars I can charge off my solar they’ll find a way to make money from that too.



Yep, the buggers have most of us by the nuts & squeezing hard. I say most, because not all AULRO-ians are blokes.[smilebigeye]

It really is a no win situation. Ok, today you boycott. A couple of days later you NEED fuel so what you gonna do, pray that someone will fill your tank overnight for free while you sleep? Fill up with water from the tap?

None of the above, right? No, you sheepishly return to the local fuel outlet while trying to appear as though you don't give a s**t & fill up yet again & the price has probably increased as a point is being made by the Operator saying "That'll teach you to ***k with my living".

Guaranteed.:soapbox:

[Ean Austral]

Pricing fuel is comlicated.
In Doomadgee our fuel is over $2.00 a litre which sure aint cheap.
This year every time I buy in fuel it has gone up by .05c per Lt, then you have all the costs of storing & selling it.
EG At the start of the Wet I'm holding 70,000Lt of Opal & the same in Diesel, thats a lot of money sitting in the tanks which is money I can't spend elswhere or may even have to borrow with interest.
If we have a big Wet I hardly sell it because no-one can dive anywhere but I have to have that much because the fuel suppliers won't deliver during the Wet & if we are not shut off I have to be able to supply but can't get deliveries.
Then you have the cost of Drive Off's (more regular than you would think) the cost of carrying accounts, the cost of repairs (huge out here), staffing, put some money aside for capital improvements, paying off infrastructure, Environmental costs, compliance costs & the list goes on.
So, after much mind boggling mathematics I have worked out I have to make a certain number of cents per Lt to break even & then I actually have to make some profit or what's the point?
So, I buy my fuel delivered for $Y then cover all my cost for $X then try to make some money out of the whole deal, lets say $Z. YXZ = $2.01 for Opal & $2.05 for Diesel at the moment. But 12 months ago YXZ was = $1.25 for both, I made the same number of cents per Lt (actually a couple more than I do now) but sold more fuel so I make less out of fuel now than I did 12 months ago.
I'm not saying that some places don't gouge but firstly it is very expensive to sell fuel & secondly you are far more likely to be gouge when wholesale fuel is cheap because even at a couple of cents more than what it should be you still think it's cheap.

Justification/rant over.

Jonesfam

Im hearing ya, we hold near on 2 million ltrs in Karumba over the wet season when the fleet are all tied to the wharf , only because if the place floods , or , a cyclone is coming, we need to have fuel for the fleet at the start of the season.

I never question the cost of fuel at remote places , and even if I don't need fuel I will buy a stubbie cooler or something just to give back even tho its not much. I would bet that if I walked into your store after seeing the price at the pump , I wouldn't see a sign saying ' spend $10 in store and get 10c a ltr discount on the fuel, like I did 2 days ago when I fuelled up the work ute. [bigsad][bigsad]:bat:


As for LPG - we have 2 of the biggest gas plants in the country on the other side of the harbour , piped in from the gas fields out at sea, I haven't seen the LPG price under $1.00 for atleast the last 10 years , prolly longer.

Cheers Ean

[gromit]

Mostly the sales price has nothing to do with the local servo you buy from, the supplier dictates when and by how much they have to hike the price. Some years back there was an independent in Vic offering cheap fuel and the supplier threatened to cut off their supply.

If there are a few servos close together there may be a slight price variation (a few cents) but none of them 'compete' for fuel because they don't have to.

When I first came out from the UK I picked up the Thursday price hike almost every week and asked someone why. I got a blank look and the comment "because it bloody pay day". The ACCC have been threatening for years to sort it out but nothing changes......

Maybe the oil companies need to boost their profits now before there is a move to electric cars ?

I mentioned in another thread that when cars were first sold you went to a shop and purchased a gallon can of petrol and took it home. How long before we get back to buying fuel like this when everyone is going electric .......??

Colin

[4bee]

That is if you will be able to find an outlet. Here, BP Stations seem to be bought up by one family so they'll have us by the nuts as well if our Tanker doesn't arrive from the West each week & I can picture queues 10 miles long as servos have been closed & there aren't as many around these days even though the population seems to be increasing.


Mind you back then cars probably did a Million miles to the gallon because they didn't have all the crap hanging off them. so that would have lasted a few weeks.[smilebigeye]


Mobil saw fit to close Port Stanvac, so now no refinery here anymore instead we got a SA Govt built Desal Plant on the site. Never been used in anger but 'they' keep telling us "you will be thankful one day".

Not me Gunga Din, we have our rainwater & excellent Artesian water so no cost to those leeches anymore.


:soapbox:

[DiscoMick]

It's certainly a different situation in remote areas compared with the cities. Near me over the last week unleaded peaked at 169 and then on Friday arvo I paid 150.5 for E10 minus the RACQ 4 cents discount, that's a major price variation. I suppose I should be grateful to even get a discount, unlike remote customers.
Meanwhile diesel seems stuck on about 165. I just spent $115 to fuel up the Defender.
It's true that the oil price is up, which means LPG is also up, the US$ is up and the AU$ is down.
Venezuela is in financial trouble and it's a big oil producer. OPEC wants a higher oil price.
What does that all mean? Stuffed if I know.

[Aaron IIA]

Drove past the local independent tonight. 149.9c/L for 91RON petrol. Different independent has diesel for 155.9c/L. South of Adelaide.

Aaron

[RANDLOVER]

I don't know how the little indies do it. The local paper had a story about a guy who had a lot of old customers that he'd fill cars for, and it was cheaper for him to put drums on the back of his ute, drive to the local Woolies servo with his 4c off vouchers, than buy from the fuel co's.

[trog]

I got a win at the pump this am . Somehow they set the price for 98 at two cents per litre less than regular unleaded. Doubt this gad anything to do with the boycott.

[Saulman1010]

I take advantage of the Coles vouchers. If I buy $20 instore Its 10c rather than 4c off. I buy stuff im gonna buy anyway...dunny paper and case of bottled water.
Not much, but I think there is principle there somewhere.

[Saulman1010]

ACCC? A toothless dragon. Waste of space. Should be closed down as they are no use and have yet to demonstrate any benifit for the taxpayer's money.

[goingbush]

Whats this I heard of a fuel Boycott , News to me .

I was in the unfortunate position of having to visit Melbourne this weekend & got dragged along to Costco Morabbin, I didn't realise Costco had its own petrol station , Ive never seen so many cars at a petrol station in my life, There were about 10 queues with at least 20 cars in each, 200 cars. and then lined up out the driveway and down the road. Im completely flabbergasted . Even if they were giving fuel away for free theres no way I'd wait more than 2 cars , never ever.

[DiscoMick]

I take advantage of the Coles vouchers. If I buy $20 instore Its 10c rather than 4c off. I buy stuff im gonna buy anyway...dunny paper and case of bottled water.
Not much, but I think there is principle there somewhere.I worked out one day that spending extra in the servo to get 10 cents ended up costing me more than if I just stuck to 4 cents off.

[Saulman1010]

I worked out one day that spending extra in the servo to get 10 cents ended up costing me more than if I just stuck to 4 cents off.It would, if you buy stuff you wont buy anyway. Items I get cost same at supermarket.

[trog]

Seems the French can do a bit more than a boycott, just a shame there was a fatality and injuries
French fuel protests leave 1 dead, dozens injured - CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/17/europe/macron-france-fuel-protests-intl/index.html)