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Omaroo
7th April 2006, 08:09 AM
Like most, our Defender is extremely difficult to see out the back of. We have the drawer system and on top of that a shelf system which houses the fridge, boxes, bags, etc. Behind all of that is the spare. Not easy to safely reverse, and I came very close to nudging someone the other day that I swore was clear but wasn't quite.

I've decided to get a camera system to help out - not just for seeing rearward pedestrians in the car park, but for reversing into tight camping spots and general reversing. Only problem I found is that they aren't cheap. Systems were looking like $4-800 for the camera, wiring and monitor. I have only a small area in the Defender dash so can't have a 7" monitor which is the norm - it just wouldn't fit anywhere. I found the $700-odd din-sized slide-out ones looked too fragile, and would certainly fall apart because of corrugations and dust.

So.... I found one on eBay out of..you guessed it...China. $130.00 delivered to my door in Sydney. Not bad!!!! There's no reason that the camera shouldn't be as high quality as the Jaycar unit - it's probably the same one. The screen should go for years too. We'll see how it all likes living inside a 4WD over time. Anyway - for $130.00 who's arguing.

The camera looks like the Jaycar unit (with the swivel mount) that they sell for that price alone. Here are the specs:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
* 2.5" TFT Screen
* Can be operated inside your car or at home
* Plays DVD/VCD/VCR/CCTV/Rear View Camera
* Resolution (336,960 pixels)
* Build In Speaker
* NTSC/PAL system auto switch
* With Volumn/Color/Brightness adjustments
* Thin Film Transistor (TFT)
* Power Supply: 12V DC 10%
* Image Sensor: Color CMOS
* Electronic Shutter time: Auto PAL;1/60-1/100,000 Second
* Number of Pixels: PAL 510(H)x492(V)
* Horizontal resolution:380 TV Lines
* Operating Temperature: -10 to +50 Degree C
* Camera size: 30mm x 42mm
* Monitor Size: 75x59x27mm

Jacks:

* RCA type Video and Audio Input
* DC input: 12v/400mA

Accessories:

* 1 x 2.5 inch TFT LCD Display
* 1 x Car Rear View Color Camera
* 12V car cigarette adapter included
* RCA cable

http://www.chinese-cloisonne.com/tftc/25tftc.jpg

http://www.chinese-cloisonne.com/tftc/DSC07206.jpg

p38arover
7th April 2006, 08:13 AM
Have you received the goods as yet?

I've seen those advertised but haven't been game to order owing to the country whence they are being sold. I wasn't sure I'd receive the goods.

Ron

Omaroo
7th April 2006, 08:15 AM
Then I'll let you know Ron!

I've ordered from China before and, if anything, they've been snappier deliverers than anyone else. They are basically honest and know that a bad reputation can literally kill their business over there.

p38arover
7th April 2006, 08:24 AM
Excellent! That's good to know because I've been interested in a number of items from there.

Ron

Tusker
7th April 2006, 08:33 AM
Keep us posted on how it goes once installed. I'll be doing somthing similar after Easter.

Regards
Max P

George130
7th April 2006, 09:02 AM
I have been looking at these ones as well. I was thinking of getting a second camera for the front for those steep drops. Keep us all informd of your findings.

Farnarkle
7th April 2006, 09:06 AM
Prolly a dopey question - why a camera and not just one of them proximity detector thingies?

Omaroo
7th April 2006, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Farnarkle
Prolly a dopey question - why a camera and not just one of them proximity detector thingies?

I like the idea of being able to see proper images so that I might be able to better line up a trailer hitch, or see if my wife is coming back to the car at the shops, or view where details are when backing into a bush campinf spot etc, etc.

Proximity is great, but I want to see a picture.

Farnarkle
7th April 2006, 09:23 AM
OK I getcha now - where would you mount the camera? And run the cabling?

Omaroo
7th April 2006, 10:04 AM
Cabling is the easy part. There are lots of routes to take to the console.

Camera position? That's probably going to be in one of these four places. Any ideas anyone?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

harryw
7th April 2006, 10:48 AM
Omaroo

I have the same need but would like to adapt/use with my caravan.

Was there any additional camera options on the ebay offer.

Or maybe get a larger screen and use for DVD's as well, or is that trying to get too clever?

On another note loved your pics on the Overlander site and the view across your property reminded me of when we lived in Carwoola on the road to Captains Flat, there is just something about the views in that region.


regards

George130
7th April 2006, 11:33 AM
harryw There are heaps of choices on Ebay. You can also buy just the cameras, heaps of different screens, it all depends on how much you wan't to spend.

As for possition I was planning to mount up high so there is less chance of mud and water damage. Just need to get the angle right.
Picture also lets you navigate any small nasties lying on the ground.

Omaroo
7th April 2006, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by harryw
Omaroo

I have the same need but would like to adapt/use with my caravan.

Was there any additional camera options on the ebay offer.

Or maybe get a larger screen and use for DVD's as well, or is that trying to get too clever?

On another note loved your pics on the Overlander site and the view across your property reminded me of when we lived in Carwoola on the road to Captains Flat, there is just something about the views in that region.

regards

Hey Harry https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

There are plenty of variations on eBay. I was just looking for the cheapest - nothing else mattered. I can't see myself watching DVD's in the Defender, so that wasn't one of my criteria... but there are those little portable DVD players (or the fold-down roof-mounted ones) that probably accept video-in from a camera.

Thanks for the comment on the property. It's a fantastic area to live in - and Captains Flat isn't that far away. We love the rolling hills and grassland too. If you go to my website ( http://www.omaroo.net/index.php?set_albumN...=view_album.php (http://www.omaroo.net/index.php?set_albumName=Omaroo-Images&option=com_gallery&Itemid=40&include=view_album.php) ), there are more photos.

Cheers
Chris

Tusker
7th April 2006, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Farnarkle
Prolly a dopey question - why a camera and not just one of them proximity detector thingies?

It seems they don't like aluminium and

they aren't water proof. They need to be at bumper height, and don't like a swim.

Regards
Max P

Omaroo
7th April 2006, 12:59 PM
Just has confirmation that it has been shipped 7/4/06 12:43pm. Countown is running......

p38arover
7th April 2006, 01:04 PM
What was the eBay item no. so we can look for similar items?

Ron

Omaroo
7th April 2006, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by p38arover
What was the eBay item no. so we can look for similar items?

Ron

Ron - this is my auction number: 9707565938

The seller's page is here: http://stores.ebay.com.au/Lucksky-Electronics-Ltd

Looks like he's only got a couple left, but you KNOW that he'll have nmore shortly...

He sells the camera and screen separately, and the combined cost is actually less, but because he douples up on transport costs it works out about the same. The $130 I paid is the "buy now" price. I've emailed him twice now and he's responded within 30 minutes each time. Seems OK so far.

Farnarkle
7th April 2006, 03:46 PM
Sorry if I seem to be hijacking your topic Omaroo but one question leads to another, you see https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ Tusker mentioned previously that the sensors cant get wet. The new D3 I'm interested in has reversing proximity thingies - why can't they get wet? Whats the point of putting em on the back of a fourby if they can't get wet?

Omaroo
7th April 2006, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by Farnarkle
Sorry if I seem to be hijacking your topic Omaroo but one question leads to another, you see https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ Tusker mentioned previously that the sensors cant get wet. The new D3 I'm interested in has reversing proximity thingies - why can't they get wet? Whats the point of putting em on the back of a fourby if they can't get wet?

Good question! Maybe they are there to satisfy up-coming ADR's or something? Satisfying the rules doesn't mean that they have to work under water...

Tusker
7th April 2006, 04:42 PM
The ones I was looking at, and on offer at the local doof doof shop are only water resistant & really intended for passenger car use. If you get a D3 stuck in a creek I suspect non-functioning sensors will be the least of your worries!

Regards
Max P

George130
7th April 2006, 04:46 PM
I had a look at his gear and its looks the same as most of the others. The advantage of buying each bit seperatly is you can choose a bigger screen if you wanted to.

incisor
7th April 2006, 04:47 PM
just boaugt one of his post boards... see how we get on...

p38arover
7th April 2006, 10:19 PM
SOme of his stuff is cheap but the postage is horrendous, e.g GBP30 (A$72) to Oz for a 2.5" monitor.

Late edit: I found he sells the same item elsewhere on the site for more money but charges less postage. It seems the postage cost varies with the sell price. If it is cheap, the postage is high - and vice versa.

Ron

norto
8th April 2006, 01:52 PM
G/day Omaroo
does the reversing camera have a colour screen

Omaroo
8th April 2006, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by norto
G/day Omaroo
does the reversing camera have a colour screen

Yup https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

abaddonxi
8th April 2006, 07:08 PM
Saw a 2.4Ghz remote camera on ebay the other day, all that stuff is usually 12v, so you could just run a power line at the back of the car and another at the front and not have to worry about running the data line. Still have to buy the screen, and probably wreak havoc with the remote locking and alarm.

Just a bit of overkill.

The other feature was remote access.

Cheers
Simon

VladTepes
8th April 2006, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by Omaroo
Camera position? That's probably going to be in one of these four places. Any ideas anyone?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Yep-

1 & 2 are down too low, and will get covered inmud and rubbish.
The view freom 2 will be obscured partly by the tyre in that direction, I suspect.
3 is in a good place to kick it with your foot when you climb the ladder. It will also give an "asymetrical view" (no comments re the spelling thanks Ron) biased toward the kerbside. OK around town but not ideal for backing into campsites etc.

For mine, no 4 is the best position. It is central, giving a view to both sides of equal distance making it easier for your brain to interpret the image (if you know what I mean). It's up out of the way from mud and in a place where it's less likely to get damaged.

Well, hope these are helpful comments when making your deliberations. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

DiscoTDI
8th April 2006, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Tusker
The ones I was looking at, and on offer at the local doof doof shop are only water resistant & really intended for passenger car use. If you get a D3 stuck in a creek I suspect non-functioning sensors will be the least of your worries!

Regards
Max P

Dont they come with a ctrl - alt - del function https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

George130
9th April 2006, 08:20 AM
I would vote for 4. Up high and out of the way. You can always angle them down if needed. The 2.5 inch screen would be fine for reversing but to small for anything like maps or DVD, It will fit easily though. 7 inch would be better for multiple tasks but the cost jumps quick that way and the space required is a problem. There are a few of these sellersrs and ron was right they have high shipping costs when the price is cheap. If its not a buy it now price search carefully as you will find several that have lots of bids and one with none. Chances are the quality will not be an issue these days.

bigbugga
9th April 2006, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by Omaroo+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Omaroo)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-norto
G/day Omaroo
does the reversing camera have a colour screen

Yup https://www.aulro.com/afvb/[/b][/quote]

I got of of these last week

Ment to be a colour camera and screen but mine only runs in black and white.
Asked why the seller told me to use the switch to change ot over to PAL, but after I told him it didnt have a switch I havnt heard back from him no matter how much I email him.

But it works well
Mine came with a 240v and cig/lighter plugs, had to modify the wiring to run both the camera and screen off the 12 volt but that took 5 min of splicing.

So now the rear is black and white but I still see more that before and it cost me $150 including post.

Captain_Rightfoot
9th April 2006, 12:53 PM
I would vote for position 4, but I would make a little bracket so that it sits on the inside of the windwcreen just below the washer jet. That way it should keep clean and out of the evironment. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

loanrangie
9th April 2006, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by p38arover
SOme of his stuff is cheap but the postage is horrendous, e.g GBP30 (A$72) to Oz for a 2.5" monitor.

Late edit: I found he sells the same item elsewhere on the site for more money but charges less postage. It seems the postage cost varies with the sell price. If it is cheap, the postage is high - and vice versa.

Ron

There are a few sellers like that, low price high postage and vice versa.
I just bought a bluetooth gps for my Ipaq and was looking a few days to find one with reasonable price and shipping cost, in the end i got one for $100 inc shipping.

Omaroo
19th April 2006, 10:34 AM
OK - It's arrived. Now I have something to do over the next couple of evenings in the garage https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

The Chinese eBayers have come through yet again. Everyting looks as though it is as advertised.

Yay!

Captain_Rightfoot
19th April 2006, 12:39 PM
It's a pretty interesting concept this. I've often looked at something made in china... like a piece of electronics or toy, and thought... if this cost me $100... the gov took $10, the shop probably made 30, it cost $10 to freight it here, the importer took another $30, and somewhere they was probably import tax, and shipping, leaving the guy who made it with about $2.50. Amazing.

However this EBAY selling bypasses all these problems for them. If it we pay $100, they probably get 90% of that, so the profit on one item sold like this could be equivalent to making and selling a hundred widgets through the normal channels. 8O Interresting paradaigm shift for them.

Omaroo
19th April 2006, 05:58 PM
Well - I connected it up this arvo when I made it home and voila! It works - and in full colour too https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ It seems to automatically adjust its own exposure levels too. An object that I pointed it towards was initially quite dark, and after a second or so it brightened up and came to a nice clear colour image - and not over-bright. Should be great!

Now to mount it properly....

George130
19th April 2006, 08:02 PM
Is the immage big enough to realy use?
That was what I was worried about.

Omaroo
19th April 2006, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by George130
Is the immage big enough to realy use?
That was what I was worried about.

Absolutely and easily! If you have normal eyesight it is quite clear.

bluetongue
19th April 2006, 10:20 PM
gday omaroo... looking forward to checking out photo's of where you put it. I'm definately thinking of it for my defender.

cheers
scott

norto
20th April 2006, 10:41 AM
g/day omaroo

sounds good

does it have a wide angle view and what was the all up cost

regards

DiscoTDI
20th April 2006, 07:12 PM
do we get pictures :wink:

one_iota
20th April 2006, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by DiscoTDI
do we get pictures :wink:

Only in reverse https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

George130
20th April 2006, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by one_iota+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(one_iota)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-DiscoTDI
do we get pictures :wink:

Only in reverse https://www.aulro.com/afvb/[/b][/quote]

lmfao

DiscoTDI
20th April 2006, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by George130+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(George130)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by one_iota@
<!--QuoteBegin-DiscoTDI
do we get pictures :wink:

Only in reverse https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

lmfao[/b][/quote]

theres always one :roll: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Maggot4x4
20th April 2006, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by one_iota+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(one_iota)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-DiscoTDI
do we get pictures :wink:

Only in reverse https://www.aulro.com/afvb/[/b][/quote]

Why,

good replacement for rear view mirror as well.

As for where to put it, what about in the middle of the spare wheel.

Captain_Rightfoot
20th April 2006, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Maggot4x4

As for where to put it, what about in the middle of the spare wheel.

That would be wheelie good https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

VladTepes
20th April 2006, 11:45 PM
:roll:



groan.

bluetongue
26th May 2006, 09:09 PM
Gday Omaroo, was wondering how you went with this... any luck?

Regards,
Scott

Omaroo
26th May 2006, 11:08 PM
Gday Omaroo, was wondering how you went with this... any luck?

Regards,
Scott

Hey there Scott - it's in the plan for this weekend's activities! I actually went and bought another camera (from the same guy on eBay) for AU$59.00 landed. It is a wide-angle jobbie (120 degrees) and has the infra-red array of leds around the periphery for night vision. I figure I'll use the other on underneath the vehicle for hairy wheel-placement times (unless it's covered in mud at the time).

Cheers
Chris

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/05/43.jpg

duff
27th May 2006, 12:23 PM
I've been thinking about getting one of these things also.

I have been considering mounting it onto the inside of the rear window. Mirror glue ? to the glass and supported by brackets to the high level stop light.
The rear of my disco is usually covered in dust, every nook and cranny gets covered in the stuff. So i am considering that up near the high level brake light will give a good view and allow me to use the rear wiper to get a clear picture all the time.:)
I havent actually seen one in the flesh yet :rolleyes: so I dont know how practical this will be:huh: , but I am sure I dont want it out in the elements :eek: (dust or city road grime)

dobbo
27th May 2006, 12:50 PM
For waterproofing you could get a perspex box to mount it in from jaycar or even a boat/marine shop, as for keeping it clean ????????????????
probably a bottle of windex and a chux wipe every few minutes. Have you thought of mounting in one of the holes in the rear bumper. I realise this is an old thread now and probably allready mounted but it could assist others also thinking about installation of these units.

bluetongue
27th May 2006, 02:00 PM
I realise this is an old thread now and probably allready mounted but it could assist others also thinking about installation of these units.


.... ahhh old, but not so old... check thread #48 - sounds like Omaroo could be fitting it this w/e ;)

dobbo
27th May 2006, 02:07 PM
.... ahhh old, but not so old... check thread #48 - sounds like Omaroo could be fitting it this w/e ;)



Omaroo is not online though so I guess it's just a tad too late

solmanic
27th May 2006, 06:04 PM
I'd be sticking it down low (where little children are likely to be lurking). Why not pop it through the chassis rail itself - you'll then have a clear run (in a conduit of course) under the vehicle up to the front. Since it looks like it has a black housing it might also be less noticeable there.

bluetongue
27th May 2006, 06:35 PM
On page 239 of this months 4WD monthly... there's a one-page article called "BUMPERCAM"... to protect it the guy has fitted a camera to the front of his fourby inside a torch!

... food for thought

norto
27th May 2006, 06:47 PM
just fitted my reversing camera (from ebay). it worked very well for the first few days untill we had 4" rain and now its very dull at night. i think its got moisture in it some where, mabye one of the rear connections, seems to work ok in the day
regards
norto

Omaroo
27th May 2006, 08:02 PM
OK, I put mine in today... after going down to JB-HiFi and picking up another 5" screen ($299). The $29.00 one from Hong Kong just wasn't bright enough, and the contrast levels were way too high and unadjustable.

I drilled a 1" hole in the top of my bodywork (at position #4) over the rear door next to the washer nozzle. It hurt seeing a bloody big hole there, but the camera slipped straight in, and using the angled support rings, it is tilted down beautifully. I'll take photos tomorrow after I seal it all with automotive black silastic (the one that doesn't throw off heaps of ammonia fumes which would fog the lens).

I rigged it up front to the 5" screen and it works incredibly well. Even at night you can see the infra-red peripheral leds glowing slightly, and a subject standing directly behind the vehicle is easily seen. The camera automatically reverses the image for you, so things appearing to be coming in from the left ARE in fact coming in from the left.

Great stuff! I'm rapt!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

dobbo
27th May 2006, 08:21 PM
Are you going to connect the camera so it starts when you engage your reverse gear?

Mudnut
27th May 2006, 09:39 PM
Like the previous post is it possible to connect it to be powered only when reversing?? Also where to mount the monitor? Is it too bright at night? Could it go on top of the dash just in front of the steering wheel, so it can be viewed through the wheel? Or is there a better location. Thanks for any info, as I intend to purchase one soon ( I have to back in front of my wifes BMW, and I don't like the thought of a trailer hitch inbedded in her front bumper).http://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/smilies/huh.gif

Thanks,
Ken

Omaroo
27th May 2006, 11:07 PM
Are you going to connect the camera so it starts when you engage your reverse gear?

Nope - I will use a switch to simultaneously power up the camera and screen. I don't want to just use it whilst in reverse. I want to be able to see backwards whenever I like. With the screen I bought, it does have a wire off the plug that goes to your reverse light. When you hit reverse gear it switches to Video#2 channel (which you would normally have the camera on. I will leave it permanently on Video#1, and use Video#2 for a forward-facing camera so that I can see wheel placement from underneath :)

dobbo
27th May 2006, 11:16 PM
a camera on each individual wheel would be good with a split screen image to negotiate rocky passages but that would be getting expensive. Where does one stop:confused::confused::confused::confused:

Omaroo
28th May 2006, 12:20 PM
OK - placement of the screen (up front in a Defender) has beaten me for the moment. Anywhere I try to position it, it either stands out like dog's balls and is a theft target - or it will cover a vent, knob or switch.

I've resigned myself to the fact that the only real way out is to get a top shelf and mount it up there. It'll be out of the way and won't be seen by prying eyes as easily. Besides - we could use the extra storage.

http://www.4wdinteriors.com/images/top_shelf_l2.jpg

So - this is what the camera end looks like anyway. I decided to mount it through the body (alloy remember) because the infra-red leds reflected off the glass when I tried to mount it inside the rear window - creating a circular flare in the image. I used a bead of Silastic to seal it off to the body panel.

http://www.omaroo.net/albums/album06/P5270075.sized.jpg

http://www.omaroo.net/albums/album06/P5270074.sized.jpg

http://www.omaroo.net/albums/album06/P6010001.sized.jpg

bluetongue
28th May 2006, 02:24 PM
Nice job Omaroo....

Hey just an idea... how about fitting into a centre console? This picture is from OL but I wonder if you could get or build up a custom center console to take it, maybe even have it fold-away out of sight somehow.

Regards,
Scott

Omaroo
28th May 2006, 02:37 PM
I like it Scott! I'll investigate building my ultimate centre console and incorporate the screen in a hideaway section, and also add cup-holders , more storage and make it a little higher so I can rest my left elbow on it comfortably. Time to get out the CAD system..... :)

George130
28th May 2006, 05:09 PM
I like the console but with my auto I couldn't go with that method.
The camera mounting looks good.

Lionel
28th May 2006, 05:16 PM
Should please Scruby!

Cheers,

Lionel

DeeJay
28th May 2006, 06:03 PM
Omaroo,
I have the same reflection problem with mine inside the rear window, so I am going to pinch your idea:cool:
In return, I will let you have my idea which works fine for the 8" screen I have.:rolleyes:
I ran a bracket (using 20mm flat steel) off the centre cubby that took the screen about 3" out from the passenger side corner. It clears the gear lever and is only a glance down to look at it.
On it I mounted a swivel mount for the screen. For security the screen gets put in the console - it undoes easily, but here is the clever part, I cut a vertical groove down the cubby near the front, wide enough to take the screen wires. It goes down approx 1" and when I remove the screen I can put it in without taking the wires off. The lid closes over the top as the groove is lower than the lid.
Well I keep telling me I am clever-:eek:

Omaroo
28th May 2006, 06:44 PM
Sounds interesting DeeJay :)

Do you have a photo of your idea?

Cheers
Chris

Ace
28th May 2006, 07:38 PM
Looks good chris was it easy to wire in or does it plug into the cig lighter or something? Matt

Omaroo
28th May 2006, 08:29 PM
I just wired both the camera and screen via a relay off the aux battery to a switch in the cabin. This way I can turn it on whenever I like - rather than only when in reverse. That'd be fine in an auto, but in a manual it means sitting there riding the clutch just to activate the screen for any length of time.

DeeJay
28th May 2006, 09:41 PM
Sounds interesting DeeJay :)

Do you have a photo of your idea?

Cheers
Chris
I do now, i just snapped a couple and bunged em on the blog site, geez that garage of mine gets messy:eek:
http://landie.bigblog.com.au/gallery.do?type=detail&id=36027

Cheers
David

Omaroo
28th May 2006, 09:56 PM
Thanks for that David. I get the picture now. Good to see it is hidden from view when the lid's shut.

Wow! That screen's a big sucker isn't it!

dobbo
29th May 2006, 07:52 AM
You probably would have been better with one of the in dash versions mounted into a custom pod on top of the dashboard yes they are smaller but hide away from view automatically, most are movable laterially and horizontally.

Tusker
29th May 2006, 03:33 PM
The only other thought I had about where to place the screen, is to utilise a flipdown monitor. They seem to range from 10" or so to 17".

My rear view can be completely blocked sometimes. It ocurred to me that a flip down could be mounted just in front of the cargo barrier, facing forwards - visible via the mirror in the normal manner. If you've got nothing in the back, just close it up. And close it up on corrugations.

It should be easy to mount through the trim onto the roof's centre rib, and deady easy to wire up along the top of the cargo barrier.

Only disadvantage would be having to undo seatbelt, get out etc to open it when reversing, if it happened to be shut. Even that could be overcome with a motorised unit.

If the camera has a mirror function, the orientation can be sorted.

That's my ponderings for today.

Regards
Max P

norto
29th May 2006, 05:23 PM
mudnut
i connected both the monitor and camera to come on when reverse is engaged, it takes a few seconds to adjust its brightness the works well. like omaroo i think the 2.5" screen could be bigger but mine has colour and brightness dials. the lady in the house next door has 6 kids and they are always in our yard so it gives me more confidence when im backing out .

DeeJay
11th June 2006, 11:11 PM
Well, my camera is set up Omaroo, How is yours progressing?
The camera location is perfect, I have attached Pics. You can see my 5 year old- he is 1 metre away from the rear tyre.
You can see the ground at 1.5 m out and to the horizon. Cars become visible at 200m away.
Love it.....

fritz
17th June 2006, 10:02 AM
hi,

could you please forward the details where you can get this camera, i'd be interested in trying it myself.

please email me on admin@wavesbyronbay.com.au

regards
michael

DeeJay
17th June 2006, 09:05 PM
Michael,
Not sure if you meant me but I sent You an email of where I got mine.

http://www.brashimports.com.au/

Above in case you did not get the email.
Cheers, David

rangieman
1st July 2006, 10:52 AM
so omaroo do we have some updates with pics of the screen and the view thru the screen of the view behind

Omaroo
1st July 2006, 11:14 AM
so omaroo do we have some updates with pics of the screen and the view thru the screen of the view behind

No, not as yet unfortunately. I've decided to build a new cubby box that will house the monitor. It will simply flip out when needed, otherwise it's all too much bother each time you want to reverse.

All of this is on the drawing board ATM. It's difficult to get decent screen shots, but I'll try. The angles are perfect with the camera up where it is. You can see an object standing right up to the door at either extremity - i.e. both left and right sides - to about two feet outside the rear of the vehicle's perimeter.

Captain_Rightfoot
30th September 2006, 05:52 PM
Well I'm spitting the dummy. In the 18 months that we've owned the defender I have backed into 2 poles. :mad: :mad: I've not hit a pole in any other car since I did my driving test 19 years ago :o (gees I'm starting to feel old) My excuse is that the child seat blocks about 40% of the view out the drivers side.

So, I've got to get a reversing camera.

What do people think of these units here (http://www.brashimports.com.au/6A.htm)? I saw these under two different brands today for between 1 and 2 hundred dollars more than he is asking. The screen looks a little small, but there aren't any mounting hassles which is a positive :)

DeeJay
1st October 2006, 10:13 PM
Well,
We have just done the Long Service leave thingy and the reversing camera got a thorough workout -- 10.500 k's over 10 weeks. I put another camera on the caravan as the unit has two video outputs.
The caravan one was brilliant, as a lot of drivers "tucked" in behind, so there were no surprises. Unfortunately the on/off button died in the last few days and I really had no idea if a car- or truck- was going to try to pass at a bad moment.
The next version will have a 4" screen mounted next to the street finder up on the dash or maybe just below it. The 8" is just too big ( as the actress said to the bishop)
Cheers,
David

VladTepes
9th January 2008, 02:06 PM
Does anyone have a setup with a camera plumbed in to a PDA (so its a multifunction for GPS display and reversing camera display).
After all, in Defenders the fewer screens you have the happier everyone will be.

loanrangie
13th January 2008, 04:06 PM
Does anyone have a setup with a camera plumbed in to a PDA (so its a multifunction for GPS display and reversing camera display).
After all, in Defenders the fewer screens you have the happier everyone will be.

Not possible unless you find one that has a USB input which is rare for pda's, some Toshiba's had a usb adapter and maybe some Dell Axim's as well ?

RonMcGr
13th January 2008, 05:47 PM
Cabling is the easy part. There are lots of routes to take to the console.

Camera position? That's probably going to be in one of these four places. Any ideas anyone?

http://www.omaroo.net/albums/album06/camera.sized.jpg

I did all this a few years ago to our Falcon and last year to our Discovery, using the very same camera's :)
This time I used a smaller one for the downward road picture, from E-bay, Brisbane ($45). All work well.

The monitor is from Strathfield Car radios, $189.
I have a 7" and they also have a 5" that is cheaper.

All the wiring went through the top of the door sills.

Message - AULRO Photo Gallery (http://www.aulro.com/app/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=15287)

Xavie
13th January 2008, 05:57 PM
I've ordered from China before and, if anything, they've been snappier deliverers than anyone else. They are basically honest and know that a bad reputation can literally kill their business over there.

Couldn't agree more. Once when the product was broken they sent me TWO more even know only ordered one and never asked for me to send back the other item or any thing.

Xavier

jik22
13th January 2008, 06:53 PM
Excellent! That's good to know because I've been interested in a number of items from there.

Ron
I get lots of stuff off eBay from Hong Kong, China and various other parts of Asia...and it's usually here quicker than stuff ordered from the East Coast! ;)

Graeme
13th January 2008, 08:02 PM
I don't know whether the Defender is anything like the Disco, but I've mounted one of those cameras in the D2's left safety chain hole. The hole had to be slightly enlarged. It gives a very good view from both sides when the tow hitch is not installed. I also use it to line-up the trailer and can see when the coupling is right over the ball.

pete
14th January 2008, 12:36 PM
You could also try something like this I think you could put tom tom ect on sd card and use tom tom instead of the nokia software it has av input so you can hook a reversing camera up plus being divx means you can put movies onto 1 disk or usb








900 7" TFT LCD TOUCHSCREEN TV Monitor GPS DVD Player
ALL IN ONE CAR GPS NAVIGATION + AU MAPS Item number: 290197156978

VladTepes
14th January 2008, 12:50 PM
But would it take the day to day hammering of a Defender ?

pete
14th January 2008, 01:40 PM
Probably as much hammering as any other electonic componentry

VladTepes
14th January 2008, 03:00 PM
It'd be ironic - getting a Tdi to avoid the electro wizadry of a TD5 and then adding a computer !! LOL.










(The real reason I'm after a 300 rather than a TD5 is price, by the way).

stevetd5
30th January 2008, 09:51 PM
Hi all, I had similar problems reversing,same problem with cost. Try portapower sales they have a unit that you can buy via ebay its wireless so you just place the monitor on the dash and fit the camera at the rear.no holes at all on a Defender,I made a small housing to protect mine as I fitted it under the rear wheel(SPARE).Only problem is that it has no infra red assist at night.Also check out ABR Sidewinder camera looks good and could feed image to cd player with small screen(my next project). I'll post a photo when I can.Wireless unit works quite well.

VladTepes
23rd February 2008, 09:09 AM
OK so now I'm keen to get one as is the Mrs - for the 130. So I'd like n update rom people on this thread please as to how theirs is going, what $ they've invested in te camera/screen setup / where they purchased from etc.

Sooner the better (while she's still in a buying mood!)

Cheers
Mike

adnic
24th February 2008, 03:47 PM
eBay Seller: 95soarer: Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats items on eBay Australia (http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZ95soarer)
try this guy on ebay.
i ordered 2x of them at 75.00 each including freight & they are excellent.
the only thing i would suggest is maybe look at bigger screens in the future.
ad

VladTepes
24th February 2008, 04:19 PM
eBay Seller: 95soarer: Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats items on eBay Australia (http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZ95soarer)
try this guy on ebay.
i ordered 2x of them at 75.00 each including freight & they are excellent.
the only thing i would suggest is maybe look at bigger screens in the future.
ad

Isnt this the one you got ?
MINI LCD MONITOR & IR REVERSE REARVIEW REVERSING CAMERA - eBay Players, Audio, Video, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 24-Feb-08 21:25:00 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MINI-LCD-MONITOR-IR-REVERSE-REARVIEW-REVERSING-CAMERA_W0QQitemZ200200184603QQihZ010QQcategoryZ328 26QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
coz its 79 + 20 freight - if that.s it ??

adnic
25th February 2008, 05:19 PM
that's the one. i gather he must have done me a deal with buying a couple.
try emailing him direct for a price on a couple if you know someone who wants one too.

VladTepes
25th February 2008, 06:42 PM
anyone else in Brissie or SE Qld want one too ?

VladTepes
16th March 2008, 06:08 PM
OK I went to WOW and had a look at drop down screens - thinking I;d build one into a roof console and use it for the reversing camera. I found a couple one at $150 and one at $250 with decent sized screens and look fairly rugged. However the sales bloke tells me that they can;t be directly set up to a reversing camera input - apparently because they can't be set up to be powered up by an external switch. I presume he means that you'd have to turn the screen on seperately and maybe even manually set up the "mirror" function each time (i.e. mirrors the picture L to R so reverse camera image displays properly).

Anyone able to comment on this or offer a solution ?

Brands were "Vision" and "Viscom".

Captain_Rightfoot
16th March 2008, 10:48 PM
If I get one of these I'm going to set it up so it can run all the time - not just when reversing. Often on big trips the back is full so I can't see too much out the back. It would be handy to have this running all the time. :)

Michael2
18th March 2008, 12:16 PM
If I get one of these I'm going to set it up so it can run all the time - not just when reversing. Often on big trips the back is full so I can't see too much out the back. It would be handy to have this running all the time. :)

I got an $80 unit from ebay and leave it on all the time too. Great for towing and for trips. Here's some things to consider with them :

1. the wide angle means you get a good view of what's directly behind the vehicle, not so good as a rear view mirror for distant traffic though (if you're in convoy, have them drive with headlights on so you can see them in the screen). However when they're that far back, you should see them in your side mirrors.

2. the night vision LEDs on the cheap ones are no where near as good as on the expensive ones. I've mounted the camera under a 110W spread beam on the kaymar wheel carrier, so it doesn't rely on LEDs for night vision anyway.

3. late afternoon long shadows create too much contrast and it's still easy to miss things (especially with the 2.5" screen on my budget version).

4. early morning / late afternoon - sun glare distorts the colors and you get hues of red & orange across the screen. I need to set up some sort of visor for the camera.

5. the screen sometimes takes up to 2 minutes to warm up and till then has verticle hold issues. Not good for a 'reverse select only' application, but ok when it's on all the time. Again a more expensive you may allay these issues. It's powered from the aux battery, so the problem may be power related until the aux battery cuts into the charging circuit.

bblaze
18th March 2008, 05:55 PM
Just to add to other comments
I purchased a wireless one for the disco and found that unless I put the transmitter inside the car the screen flickered to much to be of any valve.
The solution I come up with was to lenthen the distance between the camera and transmitter by cutting and splicing extra cable. I added about a meter of cable and this allowed me to put the camara in the center of the bummper bar and the transmitter inside RHS rear pillar about half way up, This all worked well untill I went to run the cables where they had to go and buggered up the transmitter. There goes $150 down the gurgler.
Now wating on a moniter (7 inch) that has 2 av inputs with audio, cost was $125 from hong kong, then purchased a high quality camera seperately from melboune. I may add a second camera for the front later but will use the second av for dvd recording while on trips. The screen wont auto on in reverse but I can live with that. Will never go wireless again.
cheers
blaze

VladTepes
20th March 2008, 11:33 PM
bblaze - got links / info on those purchases ? - sounds just what Im after !!!!!

bblaze
21st March 2008, 05:45 PM
Hi
Hi just got them on evil bay, have recieved the camera and just spent 2 hrs putting that in and running the av cable in under my passenger seat (havnt decided where the monitor will go yet, either the centre of the dash or above the mirror, which ever place I decided that was the best place to bring in the cable). The camera is good (had it running on the tv) and shows up extemely well in the dark with infra red. I am very hesitant to put links to the sellers on evil bay just incase it dosnt work how it should. The monitor is one of those head rest jobbies that seems like it can be removed from the headrest mounting unit. No real help to you, sorry about that.
cheers
blaze
ps
you can get 7 inch srceens that auto on when engaging reverse, mine dosnt but I have other uses in mind for it too.

VladTepes
2nd September 2008, 05:22 PM
OK I'm here again revising this thread. Time to buy a camera I think.

Taz
2nd September 2008, 10:47 PM
I fitted a wireless camera to the roof inside the rear of our rangie looking outwards and it works great.
It also works fitted inside our caravan looking out/through the rear window, but only when stationary (with engine running). I start to loose the picture as I move off. I think it's due to EMI from the ignition system, even up around 2.4GHz, so I suspect they would work better on deisels.
Anyway, CCD cameras generally have better sensitivity (low light performance) than CMOS camera's (at these resolutions at least - many hi res studio camera's are CMOS). In terms of resolution, look out for at least 420 TV lines on the camera AND display. I wouldnt be too concerned about display contrast figures as they are easy to fiddle. Display peak luminance should be at least 150cd/m^2. Also make sure you can flip the display left-2-right and upside-down - giving you the most flexibility with installation positions.

VladTepes
4th September 2008, 08:43 PM
Well I bought ebay item number 380058326851

It's a camera from AE International - comes with a hole saw etc for isntallation. SO you can find it if the item number doesn;t work).

It also has rings that allow it to be mounted pointing downward on a slight angle or just straight out.
Any opinions which is better ?
Any problems with pointing it straight backwards, as far as field of view is concerned ?

Is there anywhere near the back of the vehicle where 12v power is continuously available (ie while the car is switched on anyway) to power the thing ?

p38arover
4th September 2008, 08:53 PM
I'm just looking at the latest Auto One flyer for Fathers' Day.

Schneider reverse camera and mirror system: 6" mirror, dual video input, infra red night vision camera, with remote control. $169 Code: Rcam404

Captain_Rightfoot
4th September 2008, 09:14 PM
I'm just looking at the latest Auto One flyer for Fathers' Day.

Schneider reverse camera and mirror system: 6" mirror, dual video input, infra red night vision camera, with remote control. $169 Code: Rcam404

Ron - DO NOT BUY IT. :)

p38arover
4th September 2008, 10:16 PM
Ron - DO NOT BUY IT. :)

Please explain! :o

VladTepes
4th September 2008, 10:19 PM
Ron I'm not sure what you are looking at but if it's the type that goes over your normal rear vision mirror then

1) It's much bigger and blocks more of your forward view out the windscreen
2) It's muck darker - next to useless at night (as a normal mirror), and
3) It's very annoying in every possible way.

Captain_Rightfoot
4th September 2008, 10:27 PM
Please explain! :o

I can just tell it's all heading for tears... that's all. :eek: :D You don't have good odds :wasntme:

p38arover
4th September 2008, 10:44 PM
Oh! Silly me! I should have realised you were warning me off, not everyone else! :D

You're right, of course! :(