Mundine

[justinc]

How much of his behaviour is 'showmanship', and I use the term loosely, or is he like this in real life??? Media has him painted a certain way, but is there any more to him? Any kind of polar opposites to what we see on tv or hear on radio??

Jc

[V8Ian]

It's hard to believe that Tony is his father, chalk and cheese.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

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[weeds]

Just seeking attention...

[Pickles2]

He is what He is, but I am not a fan of his anti Aussie, anti National Anthem, & other aspects to him for which discussion could end up in C.A.
On the other hand, I've heard it said that amongst his friends, "out of the public view", He is a different person. But, I do not hold with his "Public Views".
Whilst I was a member of the Monaro Club, one member mentioned that He was driving his CV8 Monaro, & a similar black CV8 pulled up alonside at the lights, the driver of which wound down his window & commenced the conversation with "Nice Car Man",...it was Mundine!
No doubt He is a good & brave Sports person, but I hope Jeff beats him. If Jeff doesn't beat him, and beat him well, He will find it hard to gain further world rated fights.
Pickles.

[4xsama]

Mundine is proof that you don't need a long neck to be a goose. Having said that you'd have to guess his public persona is a bit of an act. He certainly is polarising.

I hope Horn beats him - well.

[justinc]

I like to think that he IS a different person than what we see in media, however I would say that his public persona sometimes doesn't do him any favours...

[Geedublya]

I like to think that he IS a different person than what we see in media, however I would say that his public persona sometimes doesn't do him any favours...

Yes, but it has helped his bank balance as a lot of people watch in the hope he will be beaten. I have heard he is generous with his support of his community.

[DiscoMick]

He's performing to drum up interest in his last fight, I think.

[Eevo]

whats he done this time?

[Fatso]

whats he done this time?

Not much worth talking about [bigrolf]

[4xsama]

whats he done this time?

Anthony Mundine's attack on Jeff Horn is all part of his plan to stir up 'The Hornet' - Sport - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-30/mundine-verbal-attack-on-horn-designed-to-stir-up-the-hornet/10569806'section=sport)

[Redback]

It's hard to believe that Tony is his father, chalk and cheese.

Yes very true, Tony Mundine is a really nice bloke, well he was when I met him many moons ago.

[TheGrumpy]

Stood up for himself & his mob and got people talking so two thumbs up!
Both good dudes but a $$ fight only.
The real scrap is in LA on Saturday night! #gothegypsyking!

[grey_ghost]

He’s a FLOG! [emoji3]

[Pickles2]

He's performing to drum up interest in his last fight, I think.
Mundine has said that if He does the job on Horne, He will look for another fight, because He's "proved himself"!
Pickles.

[hodgo]

The old saying You should never judge a book by its cover, but when it come to Mundine, show man ship or not I would love to see him flogged to with in an inch of his life, His head should be easy to hit its that big.He is an Australian and should show as much pride in his country as all or other sports people have over the years To me he is just a disgrace .
Hodgo

[DiscoMick]

Horn seemed to be laughing in the background as if he found Mundine's antics hugely amusing. What a showman.

[scarry]

whats he done this time?

Same as he has been doing for the last 25 yrs.[bigrolf]

A mate of mine knew him quite a few years ago,he did say he was a fantastic athlete,that was in his footy days.

[bob10]

Same as he has been doing for the last 25 yrs.[bigrolf]

A mate of mine knew him quite a few years ago,he did say he was a fantastic athlete,that was in his footy days.


He came to the Broncos, touting himself as the best 5/8 in Australia, Bennet kicked him back to St . George after 12 months. He was a good footballer, but that's about it.

[bob10]

The old saying You should never judge a book by its cover, but when it come to Mundine, show man ship or not I would love to see him flogged to with in an inch of his life, His head should be easy to hit its that big.He is an Australian and should show as much pride in his country as all or other sports people have over the years To me he is just a disgrace .
Hodgo

Hodgo, he does it to create just that reaction. And he makes money out of it.

[JoeFriend]

I know someone who trained with him back when he was in league, if you know what the beep test is, you will know how impressive this is. He clocked it, twice in a row and then did pretty much a whole session.

Fast forward quite a few years and I had met different people who grew up in the area and knew him. Different in real life and always put his community first, regardless of religion and all the rest of it.

Alot if what he does is based around his idea that his controversies can spark a debate about recognition and issues he is passionate about, and by and large they are social and are based around the aboriginal community.

He crosses the line a lot, and is polarising much like Colin Kaepernick is in the states with his taking a knee over the black lives matters movement. Whether you agree with it or not it brings things up in public debate.

I have mentioned several times and anyone who is a regular would know I am part aboriginal either by seeing me say that or inference on how I state my views and still he polarises me. His intentions are good, and he sticks up for what he believes in and I support some of it but at times how he does it irks me and I feel it sets the issues back, but it does cause debate.

From talking, he doesn't mind being the bad guy if it provokes a conversation that takes us all forward, call it a martyr or whatever you like but he sees it that way.

As a boxer (me as a boxer) I see his style similar to Mayweather's, the more their careers went on the more they were focused on winning without the care factor for how defensive they were. Both are great technically (Mayweather is probably the greatest technical boxer ever), Mundine not as great though. He has been happy to protect his record and box for points and within himself. The few times he went for it he was flattened within rounds.

It will be a closer fight than people think. Mundine is coming down and Horn going up. Mundine will have a big reach advantage which plays into his defensive points based style, Horn needs to get on the inside and do damage.

It will either be Horn by a late TKO or Mundine on points.

[justinc]

I know someone who trained with him back when he was in league, if you know what the beep test is, you will know how impressive this is. He clocked it, twice in a row and then did pretty much a whole session.

Fast forward quite a few years and I had met different people who grew up in the area and knew him. Different in real life and always put his community first, regardless of religion and all the rest of it.

Alot if what he does is based around his idea that his controversies can spark a debate about recognition and issues he is passionate about, and by and large they are social and are based around the aboriginal community.

He crosses the line a lot, and is polarising much like Colin Kaepernick is in the states with his taking a knee over the black lives matters movement. Whether you agree with it or not it brings things up in public debate.

I have mentioned several times and anyone who is a regular would know I am part aboriginal either by seeing me say that or inference on how I state my views and still he polarises me. His intentions are good, and he sticks up for what he believes in and I support some of it but at times how he does it irks me and I feel it sets the issues back, but it does cause debate.

From talking, he doesn't mind being the bad guy if it provokes a conversation that takes us all forward, call it a martyr or whatever you like but he sees it that way.

As a boxer (me as a boxer) I see his style similar to Mayweather's, the more their careers went on the more they were focused on winning without the care factor for how defensive they were. Both are great technically (Mayweather is probably the greatest technical boxer ever), Mundine not as great though. He has been happy to protect his record and box for points and within himself. The few times he went for it he was flattened within rounds.

It will be a closer fight than people think. Mundine is coming down and Horn going up. Mundine will have a big reach advantage which plays into his defensive points based style, Horn needs to get on the inside and do damage.

It will either be Horn by a late TKO or Mundine on points.

Thanks for your input , it is the sort of thing I was hoping to hear, some non media driven anecdotes. I suspected he is a very proud Aboriginal, and even though , as you say, he can be devisive, it seems as 'parts of his heart' are in the right place regarding community and family. In those things, he has my respect.

Jc

[Pickles2]

Thanks for your input , it is the sort of thing I was hoping to hear, some non media driven anecdotes. I suspected he is a very proud Aboriginal, and even though , as you say, he can be devisive, it seems as 'parts of his heart' are in the right place regarding community and family. In those things, he has my respect.

Jc
"In the right place"?...in some instances? ...no doubt. In other instances, "In the wrong place"...No doubt.
Like I said, until the "them & us" mentality is erased, NOTHING will be resolved.
Pickles.

[V8Ian]

"In the right place"?...in some instances? ...no doubt. In other instances, "In the wrong place"...No doubt.
Like I said, until the "them & us" mentality is erased, NOTHING will be resolved.
Pickles.
Easier said than done, especially if you're a middle-class white fella.

[bob10]

I know someone who trained with him back when he was in league, if you know what the beep test is, you will know how impressive this is. He clocked it, twice in a row and then did pretty much a whole session.

Fast forward quite a few years and I had met different people who grew up in the area and knew him. Different in real life and always put his community first, regardless of religion and all the rest of it.

Alot if what he does is based around his idea that his controversies can spark a debate about recognition and issues he is passionate about, and by and large they are social and are based around the aboriginal community.

He crosses the line a lot, and is polarising much like Colin Kaepernick is in the states with his taking a knee over the black lives matters movement. Whether you agree with it or not it brings things up in public debate.

I have mentioned several times and anyone who is a regular would know I am part aboriginal either by seeing me say that or inference on how I state my views and still he polarises me. His intentions are good, and he sticks up for what he believes in and I support some of it but at times how he does it irks me and I feel it sets the issues back, but it does cause debate.

From talking, he doesn't mind being the bad guy if it provokes a conversation that takes us all forward, call it a martyr or whatever you like but he sees it that way.

As a boxer (me as a boxer) I see his style similar to Mayweather's, the more their careers went on the more they were focused on winning without the care factor for how defensive they were. Both are great technically (Mayweather is probably the greatest technical boxer ever), Mundine not as great though. He has been happy to protect his record and box for points and within himself. The few times he went for it he was flattened within rounds.

It will be a closer fight than people think. Mundine is coming down and Horn going up. Mundine will have a big reach advantage which plays into his defensive points based style, Horn needs to get on the inside and do damage.

It will either be Horn by a late TKO or Mundine on points.

You are correct Mundine [ Anthony] does cause debate. He does very good work with disadvantaged aboriginal children. And should be admired for that. He has moral courage, in an age when people of colour would not lift their head above the ramparts, he stood up. I admire him for that. However he has never gained the respect of mainstream Australia, who regard him as a bit of a joke. And that is shame. He could be better than that. Is better than that. But only in the circles that know the real Anthony Mundine. And the way he carries on, it does no good for the people he claims to represent. Any one who steps into the ring, has courage. And self belief. Mundine has let himself and his people down by his showmanship. How much of that is influenced by his father, I don't know. It breaks my heart to see Mundine carry on like a goose. My full blood aboriginal great grand mother would give him the kitchen wooden spoon , and tell him to " grow up boy!" As far as the fight goes, you know the result is up to your preparation. Mundine has been prepared by his father. His father has a vested interest in him being victorious. If Horn has not prepared , I pick Mundine. If he has, a TKO by Horn late in the fight.

[JoeFriend]

"In the right place"?...in some instances? ...no doubt. In other instances, "In the wrong place"...No doubt.
Like I said, until the "them & us" mentality is erased, NOTHING will be resolved.
Pickles.You continually perpetuate the us and them for the most part. Not trying to take it personal, but from all my dealings with you I generally don't see you trying to see it from someone else's point of view, let alone the group of people that is up for debate.

The us and them is there because it's actually real, but as a white heterosexual male you have probably never been a minority in your life, have never been disadvantaged by something that is out of your control. Until you know what this feels like - being a minority (especially when your people are the traditional owners) then I would probably say get off your high horse with this whole 'us and them mentality needs to stop'.

I agree his thoughts on homosexuality are horrendous though. What about you?

[JoeFriend]

You are correct Mundine [ Anthony] does cause debate. He does very good work with disadvantaged aboriginal children. And should be admired for that. He has moral courage, in an age when people of colour would not lift their head above the ramparts, he stood up. I admire him for that. However he has never gained the respect of mainstream Australia, who regard him as a bit of a joke. And that is shame. He could be better than that. Is better than that. But only in the circles that know the real Anthony Mundine. And the way he carries on, it does no good for the people he claims to represent. Any one who steps into the ring, has courage. And self belief. Mundine has let himself and his people down by his showmanship. How much of that is influenced by his father, I don't know. It breaks my heart to see Mundine carry on like a goose. My full blood aboriginal great grand mother would give him the kitchen wooden spoon , and tell him to " grow up boy!" As far as the fight goes, you know the result is up to your preparation. Mundine has been prepared by his father. His father has a vested interest in him being victorious. If Horn has not prepared , I pick Mundine. If he has, a TKO by Horn late in the fight.I know what you mean, he could have done so much more by being a little bit more humble, a bit less over the top.

I think he modelled himself after Ali in the sense that his bravado, brashness and all the rest that went with it allowed him a platform to bring black rights to the fore. It's perhaps just the different age and with some progression of black rights that a different tact was needed.

And maybe world class boxing skills that revolutionised sport could have helped!

Sentiment was there, but his delivery or outward persona wasn't what was need for Australia to unite around him. In that sense wasted.

[DiscoMick]

We're talking about him, so he's succeeded.

[bob10]

I know what you mean, he could have done so much more by being a little bit more humble, a bit less over the top.

I think he modelled himself after Ali in the sense that his bravado, brashness and all the rest that went with it allowed him a platform to bring black rights to the fore. It's perhaps just the different age and with some progression of black rights that a different tact was needed.

And maybe world class boxing skills that revolutionised sport could have helped!

Sentiment was there, but his delivery or outward persona wasn't what was need for Australia to unite around him. In that sense wasted.

Yes. And really, it is not a good thing to have aboriginal children take his example . A backward step. Our indigenous people need forward thinkers. It is a good sign of the times we can discuss this. I have said before, our Nation will not reach our full potential until we have the courage to sort this out. I think it will cause some heartache, and angst, but it has to be done before we can move forward.

[JoeFriend]

You have touched on it before - I don't think this is something the older generation want or care about. Educate the younger generation and agitate the older to get wheels moving, you have said it multiple times recently,and it's up to my generation and the next to make a stand a demand it from those who represent us in parliament.

It will happen, it is inevitable - it is just a matter of when we can get it done. Positive role models that can unite us would just make it easier instead of agitators.

I remain positive, not to change those who come before, but those who come after.

[Pickles2]

You continually perpetuate the us and them for the most part. Not trying to take it personal, but from all my dealings with you I generally don't see you trying to see it from someone else's point of view, let alone the group of people that is up for debate.

The us and them is there because it's actually real, but as a white heterosexual male you have probably never been a minority in your life, have never been disadvantaged by something that is out of your control. Until you know what this feels like - being a minority (especially when your people are the traditional owners) then I would probably say get off your high horse with this whole 'us and them mentality needs to stop'.

I agree his thoughts on homosexuality are horrendous though. What about you?
"Them & Us", is something I do NOT like or perpetuate, it is something continually Hammered, by activists, one of which I am not.
I have been a minority, I have been ridiculed, ya don't have to be an Aboriginal to cop that.
From my point of view, as I've said, until we get away from the "them & us" perspective, nothing will ever be resolved.
So, I repeat, I am not "Them & Us", it may be real to you, but it isn't to me, and that is the problem because as long as it is that way in people's mind, there will always be that "anti" feeling which will always be an impediment to any lasting, long term solution.
I am all about "US",....always have been, always will be.
Pickles.

[bob10]

You have touched on it before - I don't think this is something the older generation want or care about. Educate the younger generation and agitate the older to get wheels moving, you have said it multiple times recently,and it's up to my generation and the next to make a stand a demand it from those who represent us in parliament.

It will happen, it is inevitable - it is just a matter of when we can get it done. Positive role models that can unite us would just make it easier instead of agitators.

I remain positive, not to change those who come before, but those who come after.

We as a Nation move forward , together, or fall apart, and become the banana republic Keating predicted. I have thought for a while we would have to wait until my generation died out, to move forward. I believe we are at a crossroads, the people have spoken in elections around the Nation, our young have marched for their beliefs, how much more has to happen before Canberra wakes up. Not for me to say, but we live in interesting times. I think/hope we are privileged to live in a time when this great place actually strives to reach its great potential, and does so together, all of us. No more division, no more hate, just working together . We will never be perfect, that would be too much to ask. All we need is leadership, and kindness.

[JoeFriend]

"Them & Us", is something I do NOT like or perpetuate, it is something continually Hammered, by activists, one of which I am not.
I have been a minority, I have been ridiculed, ya don't have to be an Aboriginal to cop that.
From my point of view, as I've said, until we get away from the "them & us" perspective, nothing will ever be resolved.
So, I repeat, I am not "Them & Us", it may be real to you, but it isn't to me, and that is the problem because as long as it is that way in people's mind, there will always be that "anti" feeling which will always be an impediment to any lasting, long term solution.
I am all about "US",....always have been, always will be.
Pickles.I would just like to know something specific, the them and us isn't real to you? Is that what you are saying?

Just want to clarify before I respond.

[DiscoMick]

I think the next generation have already made up their minds and are eager for us old farts to get out of the way so the country can go forwards.

[incisor]

and it's over in a flash.....

[DiscoMick]

96 seconds.

Jeff Horn KOs Anthony Mundine in just 96 seconds, as it happened
Jeff Horn vs Anthony Mundine fight at Lang Park, as it happened - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-30/jeff-horn-vs-anthony-mundine-at-lang-park-live-blog/10573192)

[SBD4]

some video:

Jeff Horn KOs Anthony Mundine: video, updates, result, winner | ‘It was scary’ (https://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing/live-jeff-horn-vs-anthony-mundine-fight-at-suncorp-stadium/news-story/ee004d51f04f86e19b0d4381060019ba)

[rangieman]

The tosser got whooped [thumbsupbig]
Say no more [wink11]

[Eevo]

and somehow he'll blame it on cultural oppression

[Pickles2]

I would just like to know something specific, the them and us isn't real to you? Is that what you are saying?

Just want to clarify before I respond.
There is no "them & us" as far as comparisons between Aboriginal people & ourselves, we are all "Aussies" as far as I'm concerned.
I say, We are "One", but there's plenty of activists who do not see that, and more importantly will not SAY it either.
Hope that is some sort of explanation for you.
Pickles.

[weeds]

Good on Jeff.......I’m sure Mundine will continue the circus

[Pickles2]

Mundine didn't appear too unhappy in post match interview.
I heard he got $2.5M for the fight?,.....if this is true, no wonder He's not feeling too bad.
Pickles.

[trog]

Wonder what the punters who paid for ringside seats thought. Get settled in and it’s all over red rover 🤣

[whitey56]

Would I be hypocritical if I said I didn’t see a fight stopping punch, personally I wouldn’t walk across the road to see a Mundine fight I think he and a few others have done nothing for boxing in Australia.
He has been a first class athlete in anything he has done , just a pity his ego got in the way.

[weeds]

Would I be hypocritical if I said I didn’t see a fight stopping punch, personally I wouldn’t walk across the road to see a Mundine fight I think he and a few others have done nothing for boxing in Australia.
He has been a first class athlete in anything he has done , just a pity his ego got in the way.

Gotta agree, Mundine calls himself an elite athlete......I reckon he took a bit of a dive, didn’t want to get hurt.

[incisor]

Would I be hypocritical if I said I didn’t see a fight stopping punch

that was my thoughts as well to be frank

[donh54]

Say what you want to, I wouldn't have wanted to be on the receiving end of that last hit!
As far as the difference between father and son, you have to look at things in the context of the times. If Tony had carried on like Choc, he would've been branded as a smartarse and ignored. Nowadays with pay TV being the biggest money maker in boxing, you have to become polarised by the personalities involved. That will drive people to click the "pay" button.
I thought Choc was quite gracious in defeat. As he said, the trash talk was just showmanship, nothing else.

[weeds]

I don’t watch a lot of boxing but 90 seconds in I reckon I’ve seen bigger hits boxers get back up.

One big problem is the amount you get for coming 2nd, ya only gotta show for pay day and not get hurt.

[bob10]

The more I think about, the more I feel this fight was set up to promote Horn.He has moved up a weight division, which means he will not face the boxers he faced before, he doesn't have to lose weight before a fight, I think his management have worked out he can make a name for himself at this weight. I don't know the oppostion he may face, but I don't think it is at the same level as his last weight division. Also, I can not see how that punch would knock out Mundine. But, I don't want to find out. Mundine sets up Horn, Horn gives Mundine a payday. Old Tony looks after his son. Win, Win, Win. The boxing public get sucked in. Although any one who knew anything about boxing would have watched the seven a side rugby. [bigwhistle]

[grey_ghost]

Bob - Mundine is a flog and probably thought of this as his last big payday before retirement. Nothing more - nothing less.

[stealth]

[B][/

Mundine has to now show some humility or he makes a complete fool of himself.
Barely touched in that fight. (Compare that to the genuine punishment Jeff Horn received in his previous fight.)
Jeff Horn is my sort of athlete. Hard working and humble. I have no time for any of the loud mouth Prima donnas in any sport.
I predict Mundine’s next career move will be seeing him sucked into politics. Celebrity politicians are a waste of time but it would suit his ego nicely.

[incisor]

according to my neighbour who went to the fight, Mundine, was very humble and spoke very highly of Horn after the fight

he reckons Mundine pretty much said he doesn't have to talk crap anymore....

that won't come easy imho

[bob10]

Bob - Mundine is a flog and probably thought of this as his last big payday before retirement. Nothing more - nothing less.

He certainly polarises people. I would like to sit and talk with him for a while before I pass judgement.

[DiscoClax]

I certainly agree with that. Public persona and the real person are often very, very different.

[bob10]

The last word should be from Horn. " behind closed doors Mundine is a nice guy, ", and he is not going to knock him. About that punch. In the video in this shows from behind the force of the punch, Mundine's head rocks back. I may have to change my mind.

Comment: A salesman to the end, the real Anthony Mundine can finally stand up (https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/more-sports/comment-a-salesman-to-the-end-the-real-anthony-mundine-can-finally-stand-up/ar-BBQkceo?ocid=spartandhp)

[DiscoMick]

Mundine was down, but not knocked out.

[Eevo]

Mundine was down, but not knocked out.

the end result was a KO. aka knock out.
dont have to to be knocked out for a KO

[weeds]

Mundines dive goes in the books as a KO

[bob10]

Mundine was down, but not knocked out.

It used to be called a TKO, technical knock out. If Mundine was a Land Rover, it would be a " fail to proceed ". In my days as a wannabe boxer, I failed to proceed a number of times. They hit you on the sweet spot, you lose interest quickly. One thing I noticed, from video after the fight. Horn really hurt Mundine in the body, perhaps even a broken rib. He protected his left side , and even looked tentative. After that body hit, Mundine was out of the fight.

[Zeros]

It’s all theatre. The line between reality and fiction is becoming more and more blurry. It’s all deliberate, the more people talking, the more revenue.

[weeds]

Well it didn’t take long......the mouth is talking up a rematch.

Hopefully Horn ignores it totally and doesn’t get dragged into it as Horn is a cut above the mouth