2018 Jeep Wrangler - 1 Star Euro NCAP rating.

[Homestar]

What will be the 2019 Wrangler here in Australia failed dismally rating just 1 star when tested by Euro NCAP. An accident that would see you walk away in a 5 star vehicle could likely cause you serious injury or death in this vehicle.

Official Jeep Wrangler safety rating (https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/jeep/wrangler/34192)

Even better was the BS that Jeep were spinning about this.

[Homestar]

Well at least it did better than the new Fiat Panda... 😆. Zero stars - my 101 would have matched that. 👍

Official FIAT Panda safety rating (https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/fiat/panda/34191)

[loanrangie]

Well at least it did better than the new Fiat Panda... [emoji38]. Zero stars - my 101 would have matched that. [emoji106]

Official FIAT Panda safety rating (https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/fiat/panda/34191)Ironically the panda is rebadged as a jeep model.

[martnH]

If they sell Rubicon for around $20k I will grab one immediately

[Homestar]

It would need to be under $10k for me to even look sideways at one.

[DiscoMick]

If it's a new model with airbags surely they design it to get a half-decent crash rating.

[DiscoMick]

If they sell Rubicon for around $20k I will grab one immediatelyFor $20k I'd rather buy a D3 every time. Some quite tasty ones on carsales.com for that money.

[Homestar]

If it's a new model with airbags surely they design it to get a half-decent crash rating.

It’s not the airbags that are at fault - the main reason it scored so low is the actual passenger cell comes apart in a crash - this showed up in the 50KPH frontal impact test and the 64KPH frontal offset test.

[martnH]

Rock crawling wise, wrangler still the best cost-effective vehicle

Stock Rubicon has twin lockers with plenty flex.....Don't really care the safety rating. I sometimes drive my defender

[DiscoMick]

It’s not the airbags that are at fault - the main reason it scored so low is the actual passenger cell comes apart in a crash - this showed up in the 50KPH frontal impact test and the 64KPH frontal offset test.I drive a Defender, so I'm not in a position to criticise the Wrangler.

[Homestar]

In 2019 I think it’s pretty **** poor. Considering everything else in the Jeep range is 5 star, how’d they **** this one up so bad?

[weeds]

I guess we dont expect to be in an accident.....what the odds?? Pretty low I guess.

If the authorities thought it was an issue they would simply ban new cars that are not up to scratch and remove old cars from the road.

Sure if one is unlucky than it would be nice to be in a higher rated car......but I also choose a 2000 defer therefore cannot really knock new cars.

[Homestar]

I drive a 101 on the weekends so we all take risks, but I just think in this day and age a ****box like this shouldn’t be allowed to be sold. I guess if people are dumb enough to spend their money on one, that’s not my concern. For the dollars they’ll be asking, there are far better, cheaper and safer cars out there.

[martnH]

The fact wranglers are for sale means it's still okay and safe to drive.

I think 2019 wrangler is an awesome off road vehicle. I would happily own one.

This safety rating is mostly meaningful to , I guess, soccer moms.... Don't get your kids into wranglers.
Get a Land roVer [emoji41][emoji41][emoji41][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

I am pretty sure the new defender will be at least 4 stars.

[Homestar]

No, just because it’s for sale, it doesn’t mean it’s safe... do you seriously believe a vehicle is safe because it’s on the market? Cigarettes and alcohol are on the market too - guess they’re safe by that reasoning. 😉

[DiscoMick]

A new vehicle should be better than one star.

[weeds]

So what happens in accidents where it not identical to the test........I guessing a lot of manufacturer design around passing ‘the test’ not real life crashes.

Plenty of people still die in crashes involving cars with the highest ranking.

[DiscoMick]

Plenty survive who would otherwise have died.

[trout1105]

I can't find any ANCAP ratings for a defender, I wonder what score they would get?

[solmanic]

I can't find any ANCAP ratings for a defender, I wonder what score they would get?

Zero stars.
The thing people seem to forget is that whilst a vehicle may be big with a very strong chassis, it's the deceleration forces that cause most injuries. So without airbags, seatbelt pre-tensioners etc, the Defender is not even on the NCAP chart. The old saying "the other car is my crumple zone" is fine until the thing you hit is bigger than you. Defenders also have very little roll-over protection and the doors lack any side intrusion bars.

I've always wondered how Defenders got away with never being put through any NCAP type testing but I doubt whether Land Rover would've wanted their certain failure to be made public.

[DiscoMick]

Continuing model so didn't need testing. This is why it couldn't be sold in the USA - not safe.

[trout1105]

I find it amusing to see people that own defenders with a crap safety rating bagging another brand that is probably a higher ANCAP rating[bigwhistle]

[4xsama]

I guess we dont expect to be in an accident.....what the odds?? Pretty low I guess.

If the authorities thought it was an issue they would simply ban new cars that are not up to scratch and remove old cars from the road.

Sure if one is unlucky than it would be nice to be in a higher rated car......but I also choose a 2000 defer therefore cannot really knock new cars.

It's ironic that a vehicle with a terrible crash rating can be sold here but another vehicle which doesn't meet Australian Design Rules because of a wrong placement of indicators, lights to wide/far apart etc which are otherwise safe cant.

[101RRS]

I find it amusing to see people that own defenders with a crap safety rating bagging another brand that is probably a higher ANCAP rating[bigwhistle]

But Defenders are no longer sold where this Jeep is a new 2019 model.

Safety is one of the reasons Defenders stopped being made.

[DiscoMick]

Jeep should be able to do better than that with a 2019 model, just as I'm sure JLR will with the new Defender.

[martnH]

JEEP should learn land rover's dirty trick of listing defender as light commercial truck not passenger vehicle

There is no bloody baby seat anchor in my MY13 defender because, guess what, my defender is not a passenger vehicle so anchor points not *required* by law. I do feel being deceived by JLR, the dealer never inform me defender is not passenger vehicle.
And does the regulating body have double standards on vehicle safety?....

Quick Someone send an email to john cadogan....

[Eevo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BckbpoOCQAAkliq.jpg

[Homestar]

I find it amusing to see people that own defenders with a crap safety rating bagging another brand that is probably a higher ANCAP rating[bigwhistle]

I don't own a Defender - far worse in fact safety wise but for my daily duties where I do 99% of my driving, and where I'm at the most risk I drive a 5 star rated vehicle.

I have no issues if other want to run out and buy a brand new car that's got a 1 star rating - I wouldn't - and my point is in this day and age, manufacturers should - and can - do better, but they're still happy to put profit before your safety - says a lot about a company IMO.

[Saitch]

Hmmm, I wonder what rating my '93 L/cruiser 'tilly would be?

[alan48]

Hi,
I read that Wranglers from 2012 had a rating of 4 so wonder if something unusual/unexpected has happened with 2019 version--I really can't accept that it has gone backwards like this, and knew that Defender was a commercial vehicle ratings wise hence no testing. Most of us accepted its lack of rating so would see no difference to potential Jeep owners--you either want a Jeep or you don't--exactly the same with Defender ,Iveco owners etc. I certainly will look seriously at the new Jeep Gladiator with 3ltr diesel and auto ( I want a good tow car) regardless of any rating, it has seat belts, air bags etc so that is enough for me--try driving a S1 with no safety features --you do because you want to and accept the risks.

[solmanic]

Time to trot out this old favourite methinks...

Mercedes Benz G Class Crash Test Built unlike any other 2002 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/mTzaWGFIUYg)
(https://youtu.be/mTzaWGFIUYg)
It would be fascinating to see an actual Defender crash test though.

Interestingly, I was doing some Google Earth touring and found this out the back of the Magna Steyr plant in Graz where the G-Wagen is built. Lots of current models seemingly crash tested. There is as yet only one dodgy cut down clip of the new 2019 G-Wagen being crash tested but no results published that I can find.

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[DiscoMick]

There's always this:

YouTube (https://youtu.be/mFCHuZjFxNQ)

[ozscott]

Its s Jeep thing...

Like fire


I have seen actual crashes involving Deefer (RRC, d2) and its usually the other vehicle that provides the Land Rover occupants with the required deceleration...sad for other vehicle occupants but good for LR occupants. The real problem is when LR meets tree, truck etc.

Cheers

[jonesfam]

Here's a good safety tip:
Don't drive into things.
Just a thought?

[trout1105]

Here's a good safety tip:
Don't drive into things.
Just a thought?

I agree.
If you run into a truck or a tree with ANY car the outcome is Never any good regardless of the ANCAP rating.[thumbsupbig]

[ozscott]

Doesnt help with crap drivers running into you though! That's when I like a strong vehicle.

Cheers

[trout1105]

Doesnt help with crap drivers running into you though! That's when I like a strong vehicle.

Cheers

I would hate to be on the receiving end of my D2a with an ARB bullbar and winch up the front end of it[bigwhistle]

[ozscott]

For sure! The D2 is a lot stronger than the D1 too.

Cheers

[Homestar]

Here's a good safety tip:
Don't drive into things.
Just a thought?

As mentioned, I’m more worried about being hit, than hitting something. I have near misses quite often.

SWMBO has been in 2 serious accidents while stationary - once sitting at a red light, the other, while giving way at a give way sign - the second time her car was shunted into the path of an oncoming truck by a courier on the phone - there’s ****tards everywhere....

[trout1105]

I did a service on the D2a and the 79 series when I was up at King Ash Bay and in all seriousness the Chassis of the D2a looked to be more robust than the Toyota did.
I know that the Monique body/chassis are more crash "Friendly" But a truck with a proper chassis will most likely survive to live another day after a prang.

[martnH]

Yeah nah yeah nah

Defender chassis is narrow. Driver and passengers are siting outside the chassis, protected by thin aluminum sheet and a few metal frame...Just image a Tbone just from a mini is enough to pop the tin can open.

D2 is pretty bad in head on crashes. Fifth Gear did a test and the Discovery was obliterated by a small car.

Don't really want to go there But the 1 star 2019 wrangler is still safer than D2 and Defender


Check thiout PYouTube (https://youtu.be/mLLanPwRgio)
PYouTube (https://youtu.be/mLLanPwRgio)


I did a service on the D2a and the 79 series when I was up at King Ash Bay and in all seriousness the Chassis of the D2a looked to be more robust than the Toyota did.
I know that the Monique body/chassis are more crash "Friendly" But a truck with a proper chassis will most likely survive to live another day after a prang.

[Dervish]

[bigwhistle]

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[trout1105]

D2 is pretty bad in head on crashes. Fifth Gear did a test and the Discovery was obliterated by a small car.

I have hit roos, emu's and sheep with my D2a at speeds that would have destroyed just about any of the newer small cars without any damage whatsoever to the truck.
But Seriously the very Best safety improvement would be to have better drivers on the road, Having a 5 star ACAP rated car is pretty useless if the driver is useless.

[rick130]

Yeah nah yeah nah

Defender chassis is narrow. Driver and passengers are siting outside the chassis, protected by thin aluminum sheet and a few metal frame...Just image a Tbone just from a mini is enough to pop the tin can open.

D2 is pretty bad in head on crashes. Fifth Gear did a test and the Discovery was obliterated by a small car.

Don't really want to go there But the 1 star 2019 wrangler is still safer than D2 and Defender


Check thiout PYouTube (https://youtu.be/mLLanPwRgio)
PYouTube (https://youtu.be/mLLanPwRgio)Was that a D2 or a D1?

I knew the GQ/GU Patrol was bad in an offset frontal prang, the chassis will fold back and it compromises the passenger cell.

When I had a small prang in the D2 last year the smash repairer reckons they are much more robust in the rails than any modern ute which are designed to reform to meet impact tests, the downside is it dissent take much of an impact for the rails to deform which adds enormously to repair costs.
All I had to do was replace the bumper and stock push/bull bar (which folded back and slightly bowed the bonnet) but he reckoned of it was a current Hilux/BT/Ranger etc it would've been a $20k repair.

[101RRS]

Was that a D2 or a D1?



That Youtube clip has a D1 (ES) which is fitted with dual airbags - note the airbags did not go off - was there an issue with them or were they disabled by the makers to ensure they made their point about safety in older vehicles.

Garry

[workingonit]

D1... their point about safety in older vehicles.

Garry

I remember seeing the Fifth Gear episode. Vaguely remember their camera pointing to the materials that had intruded into the drivers footwell after the crash, saying these things would have caused severe damage to the drivers legs. From memory it seems like it was a cardboard cover that gives a clean looking finish around the pedals, and possibly the thin plastic cover just under the steering wheel - hardly something that is going to cause significant injury.

Many years ago I looked up the NCAP rating for our D1 and our Toyota Corolla, both around the same year of manufacture. NCAP gave them both a rating of 1. Later I came across what I remember as maybe being Macquarie Uni rating system based on Australian/NZ injury rates sustained using both these vehicles - the D1 got a rating of 5, while the Corolla remained at 1. Unfortunately I have not been able to re-find this info as originally presented.

Being a bit lazy on researching at the moment so I assume the NCAP is a private company rating system and governments cannot mandate that car companies meet a particular NCAP rating if they are to sell a car? That car companies instead build to engineering standards like Aust Standard xxxx, or US Standard xxxx or International Standard xxxx? Otherwise I could see car companies creating their own off the shelf safety rating companies leading to a circle of self affirmation of standards.

[DiscoMick]

The Discovery 2004-2009 got a four star rating, while later Discos got 5 stars. I couldn't find an earlier rating.
BTW the FAQs about the ratings make some very interesting points. For example, a bullbar can cause occupants to suffer greater injuries because it does not crumple to absorb the impact forces. So we are more likely to die if our vehicle has a bullbar.
Also, smaller vehiclican be safer than larger vehicles if the smaller vehicle crumples more than the larger vehicle.
In a crash between a rigid larger vehicle and a smaller vehicle which crumples more, the occupants of the smaller vehicle may be more likely to survive.
Interesting.
Crash Test Results | Crash Test Ratings | Crash Tests | ANCAP (http://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings'manufacturer_slug=land-rover&model_slug=discovery&show_all=1&sort_by=published_at&sort_direction=desc)

[DiscoMick]

BTW the Jeep Wrangler 3.6 two door from 2012 onwards got a four star rating.
It may be because in a side crash, side airbags greatly reduce head injuries.

[martnH]

It's a bit of ad hoc analysis. I.e. you can always manipulate data to prove/suggest your point.

The question if defined, should be:
If a defender is involved in a Fatal crash with another vehicle, how likely is the driver and passengers of the defender be alive.

This is the question of interest. The result you quotes has a lot of noise as there maybe a lot of low speed small crashes involved a defender as defender drivers usually don't/can't speed.

Cheers
[bigwhistle]

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[ozscott]

I was waiting for someone to chime in with the Renault Espas.

Several things. It was a D1. D2 is far stronger with outer steel shell for doors and bonnet etc and many other changes. D2 was crash tested and did well despite its heavy weight.

The D1 was old and out of a wreckers. Knowing the salted roads over there the chassis was probably weakened by rust on the inside. A single rail does not have to carry all the burden of a decent bull bar is used so in an offset crash a bull bar helps distribute the load over both rails. This D1 didn’t have that advantage.

Air bags disabled it seems.

It was being crashed into a heavy vehicle.

I have seen D2, Deefer , RRC in real world crashes. There is a reason Monash when evaluating real world crash data rate then as having good crash protection for their occupants.

Cheers

[martnH]

One can't simply look at the deformation of a Vehicle

My understanding is that a car crash can sends a shock wave of energy through the vehicle and everything in it. And this shock wave can and often shatter bones, rupture internal organs, strain muscles, and sprain joints. Many times cause internal bleeding.

I will aruge it is smart for the energy to be absorbed by the car. At least it seems that's how the car industry believe

If defender is safer than average car, we will surely have solid cast iron billet 10Tons SUV for soccer Mons

[Homestar]

I was waiting for someone to chime in with the Renault Espas.

Several things. It was a D1. D2 is far stronger with outer steel shell for doors and bonnet etc and many other changes. D2 was crash tested and did well despite its heavy weight.

The D1 was old and out of a wreckers. Knowing the salted roads over there the chassis was probably weakened by rust on the inside. A single rail does not have to carry all the burden of a decent bull bar is used so in an offset crash a bull bar helps distribute the load over both rails. This D1 didn’t have that advantage.

Air bags disabled it seems.

It was being crashed into a heavy vehicle.

I have seen D2, Deefer , RRC in real world crashes. There is a reason Monash when evaluating real world crash data rate then as having good crash protection for their occupants.

Cheers

I too wondered how rust riddled the D1 may have been.

[Dervish]

It's a bit of ad hoc analysis. I.e. you can always manipulate data to prove/suggest your point.

The question if defined, should be:
If a defender is involved in a Fatal crash with another vehicle, how likely is the driver and passengers of the defender be alive.

This is the question of interest. The result you quotes has a lot of noise as there maybe a lot of low speed small crashes involved a defender as defender drivers usually don't/can't speed.

Cheers

I don't know where this information came from (I can't remember, I found it a long time ago), but it's unlikely the person who put it together was trying to push a pro-Defender agenda so I'd suggest manipulation of the data for such a purpose is unlikely.

As to the data being noisy, yes - potentially; although I would find it hard to believe that the nature of Defender (and, I guess, Land Cruiser) two-car crashes is so different to other vehicles as to influence the percentages that drastically. You may be right though.

Defenders (and Land Cruisers and Wranglers, I suppose) are just slow and heavy; that makes them very safe... for the occupants, at least. It seems the crash safety ratings are just not a good reflection of reality for heavier vehicles.

[ozscott]

The Discovery 2004-2009 got a four star rating, while later Discos got 5 stars. I couldn't find an earlier rating.
BTW the FAQs about the ratings make some very interesting points. For example, a bullbar can cause occupants to suffer greater injuries because it does not crumple to absorb the impact forces. So we are more likely to die if our vehicle has a bullbar.
Also, smaller vehiclican be safer than larger vehicles if the smaller vehicle crumples more than the larger vehicle.
In a crash between a rigid larger vehicle and a smaller vehicle which crumples more, the occupants of the smaller vehicle may be more likely to survive.
Interesting.
Crash Test Results | Crash Test Ratings | Crash Tests | ANCAP (http://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings'manufacturer_slug=land-rover&model_slug=discovery&show_all=1&sort_by=published_at&sort_direction=desc)Small cars are crumple zones for heavy rigid cars...so heavy one achieves it's reduced deceleration. The small cars crumple zone works well....until it runs out and the heavy rigid 4wd rips past the fabric of the air bags and the fully deformed crumple zones. If you want an example of that there was a thread on here of a D3 being struck in a full frontal by a near new A4 at vers high speed...incredible. The A4 exploded onto tiny pieces. D3 looked intact...very little damage. D3 occupants minor injuries. Police pulling bits of A4 driver body parts out of d3 roof rack...

Cheers

[LRJim]

Small cars are crumple zones for heavy rigid cars...so heavy one achieves it's reduced deceleration. The small cars crumple zone works well....until it runs out and the heavy rigid 4wd rips past the fabric of the air bags and the fully deformed crumple zones. If you want an example of that there was a thread on here of a D3 being struck in a full frontal by a near new A4 at vers high speed...incredible. The A4 exploded onto tiny pieces. D3 looked intact...very little damage. D3 occupants minor injuries. Police pulling bits of A4 driver body parts out of d3 roof rack...

CheersHORRIFIC ACCIDENT WITH A D3 IN SOUTH AFRICA (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/141338-horrific-accident-d3-south-africa.html)

Brutal.

[rick130]

BTW the FAQs about the ratings make some very interesting points. For example, a bullbar can cause occupants to suffer greater injuries because it does not crumple to absorb the impact forces. So we are more likely to die if our vehicle has a bullbar.


But that's why you are supposed to install only air bag compliant bull bars and they are mounted on crush cans.

And why you shouldn't jack and snatch off a crush can mounted bull bar.

[martnH]

Looking at the results, i don't think any of them will be statistically significant. I.e. any significant difference between the comparing vehicles


Also check out the top right corner. You still reckon the person is not "pro-defender"?

I think I have said enough. I don't have anything else to add. I drove the defender and I am aware of the danger I faced. I also have adequate income protection and life insurance so I have well taken care of the risk.

I was actually thinking about this when renewing my insurance. Should my insurance company know I drive a defender?

Will they lower my premium? Or will they increase my premium. They hired statisticians and have good database. I bet they know real life if the defender is any safe


Cheers
Martin
I don't know where this information came from (I can't remember, I found it a long time ago), but it's unlikely the person who put it together was trying to push a pro-Defender agenda so I'd suggest manipulation of the data for such a purpose is unlikely.

As to the data being noisy, yes - potentially; although I would find it hard to believe that the nature of Defender (and, I guess, Land Cruiser) two-car crashes is so different to other vehicles as to influence the percentages that drastically. You may be right though.

Defenders (and Land Cruisers and Wranglers, I suppose) are just slow and heavy; that makes them very safe... for the occupants, at least. It seems the crash safety ratings are just not a good reflection of reality for heavier vehicles.

[ozscott]

Martin Deefers open up or crush when rolled but are very strong in head ons. You can speculate but if you have seen them do so it's easy to see that you are safe. I saw photos of one hit a H3 head on. Not a good day out for the H3...

Cheers

[trout1105]

A seatbelt and an airbag will most times save your butt as will something solid like a full chassis will stop an oncoming car going right through you.
Why do you think that the most reliable 4WD's have full chassis and live axels, Maybe its because they can survive harsh conditions and brutal treatment over and over again including running over bushes and trees when off road.
Give me a substantial 3t 4WD anytime over one of them ****ant little 800kg buzz box city cars any day in a prang despite their crush panel design[bigwhistle]

[DiscoMick]

I agree with the comment above that my Defender should be reasonable in a head on crash, but would crush if rolled.
If I was going to crash either of our vehicles head-on into something rigid I would choose our Mazda 2 every time because of its airbags and five star rating. The Mazda would be a write-off, but I'd feel more likely to survive. The Defender might be repairable, but it's more likely I'd be dead.
Just my opinion.

[lyonsy]

Just a bit a fuel to throw on fire
Official Suzuki Jimny safety rating (https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/suzuki/jimny/33370)

The Suzuki Jimny has been tested and got 3 stars for a vehicle a on ladder frame with live axles front and rear and not designed with safety in mind with most safety items only being put in place when regulations come in place that will prevent the vehicle being sold.
Add to that it has a strengthened chassis from the old one under it (they added an extra cross member) which traces its self back to the coil Sierra with a redesigned cab, so it has nothing new in its design or been totally redesigned to get better crash performance.

So what is jeeps excuse with a much newer designed vehicle even if they re used the old models chassis it still is a mid 2000's design compared to mid 90's, Is far larger allowing for more crumble zones and reinforcing of the cab, And built by a far larger company by the most profitable brand of the company, oh and world wide production of around depending on the year 20'000 to 200'000 more vehicles then the Jimny factory can produce to improve economic scale as well.

it would also be interesting to see how the 5 star 70 series would go with the current ncap criteria that have made it harder to get 5 stars now

[DiscoMick]

Yes, good questions.
Is it right that both the Jimney and the only 70 achieved higher ratings by adding more airbags to reduce head injuries? I read that side airbags can be the difference between 4 and 5 stars.

[ozscott]

Jeep just drop the ball in so many areas not just safety.

Cheers

[lyonsy]

To get the scores they have, they have reinforced the chassis to make them more ridged and stop them flexing apart and crumbling in a much more controlled manner (just remember the troopy dual cab have a weaker chassis then the single cab), they have also reinforced the foot well to stop the foot well becoming deformed from the tyre contacting it, then adding stuff like seat belt pretensioner's to hold the occupant in the seat.

Then to get 5 stars when the 70 was tested
You need a drivers leg airbag now so the driver does not knee cap them self's on the dash and steering column.
The standard 2 front airbags
You also need side airbags for the side impact test so they dont brain them self's on the pillar or window
you also needed abs and esc
and the front end needed to be pedestrian friendly

to get 5 stars now it would need lane guidance, auto braking, and probably a few other electric helping hands
so a 70 would get 3 or 4 stars atm as it it sold

btw to be able to be sold in Australia so long as the vehicle passes emissions has an airbag and abs/esc with seat belt not wearing warning and pass the crap adr crash test into a flat wall at 48km/h and the dummy does not hit the steering wheel or anything else in the car with its head you pass.
this is why ncap was setup cause the government was not doing there job

[101RRS]

to get 5 stars now it would need lane guidance, auto braking, and probably a few other electric helping hands
so a 70 would get 3 or 4 stars atm as it it sold

But the 70 is 5 star now.

[lyonsy]

yes due to when it was tested and they don't re evaluate cars once it has been rated unless a manufacture wants it to and supply's a vehicle for testing normally for a higher rating.

the fact they dont re evaluate cars result as more stringent tests come in meaning cars that had 5 stars but would only be a 2 or 3 now can be miss leading as you may buy an older vehicle think it is safer then a new vehicle you had been considering but actually is not.

[Tote]

The safety tests as stated above are continually evolving and once a vehicle is granted a rating it is never retested. Hence a 5 star 70 series may get a 1 star rating and be worse than the Jeep if they were retested today. Makes it difficult to compare two vehicles that are currently on the market though.

Regards,
Tote

[101RRS]

the fact they dont re evaluate cars result as more stringent tests come in meaning cars that had 5 stars but would only be a 2 or 3 now can be miss leading as you may buy an older vehicle think it is safer then a new vehicle you had been considering but actually is not.

Huh?? It was only just recently done.

[lyonsy]

yep in 2017 the standards were tightened up due to the number of vehicles getting 5 stars