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bob10
11th December 2018, 11:01 AM
I'd like to see a jeep do this, or a land rover for that matter. 1943 VW 166 schwimmwagen.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9m1YB2FL-A)

67hardtop
11th December 2018, 11:18 AM
Thats bloody amasing. Where are they now?? 4wd as well as amphibious. Love it.

goingbush
11th December 2018, 11:32 AM
bugger, its sold already

1943 VW Schwimmwagen For Sale (http://www.oldbug.com/schwim1.htm)

67hardtop
11th December 2018, 12:01 PM
bugger, its sold already

1943 VW Schwimmwagen For Sale (http://www.oldbug.com/schwim1.htm)Wouldnt have been cheap, thats for sure...

bblaze
11th December 2018, 01:19 PM
about 40 years ago my mate had a vw county buggy, a very square looking thing. Had balloon tyres on it. That used to float. Went through a water hole about 400 metres long and 1 to 1.2 deep on the balfour track and float all the way with the wheels providing the drive. Then spent the next 3 hrs winching the 3 four wheel drivs with us. Boy oh boy they were ****ed off. Only real problem was it would regularly do steering boxes.
cheers
blaze

cripesamighty
11th December 2018, 02:59 PM
Do you mean like this one on carsales? Been up for sale for a while....

New & Used Volkswagen Country cars for sale in Australia - carsales.com.au (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/volkswagen/country/?WT.z_srchsrcx=makemodel)


I often keep an eye out for Type 182's (right hand drive Type 181) as well. A really nice one just sold for less than $20K. This militarised Type 182 version is still up but quite pricey.

1978 Volkswagen 181 Safari Manual-SSE-AD-5728711 (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Volkswagen-181-1978/SSE-AD-5728711/?Cr=0)

rammypluge
11th December 2018, 04:43 PM
Landy makes a showing.....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181211/64a15fc178080c821b7bf79a89b5da80.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181211/1c524ceb77f79832f08c874787efbc76.jpg

pop058
11th December 2018, 04:47 PM
I'd like to see a jeep do this, or a land rover for that matter. 1943 VW 166 schwimmwagen.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9m1YB2FL-A)

Pppffftt, next. [thumbsupbig]

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rammypluge
11th December 2018, 04:49 PM
The big question is, km/h or miles/h?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181211/901c2669e404c5c2de3c93b00b23d508.jpg

rangieman
11th December 2018, 05:46 PM
The big question is, km/h or miles/h?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181211/901c2669e404c5c2de3c93b00b23d508.jpg
Knots:Rolling:

rangieman
11th December 2018, 05:49 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181211/64a15fc178080c821b7bf79a89b5da80.jpg
The word at Cooma this year was if there is a 75th in Aus this will come out from the UK and do a demo [wink11]

pop058
11th December 2018, 05:51 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181211/64a15fc178080c821b7bf79a89b5da80.jpg
The word at Cooma this year was if there is a 75th in Aus this will come out from the UK and do a demo [wink11]

Tis true, heard the man say it. [thumbsupbig]

LRJim
11th December 2018, 05:52 PM
The big question is, km/h or miles/h?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181211/901c2669e404c5c2de3c93b00b23d508.jpgTop speed was about 88ks so I'm guessing kmph, a knot is almost a mile but surprised it's not in knots[emoji38][emoji38]

rangieman
11th December 2018, 06:00 PM
Tis true, heard the man say it. [thumbsupbig]
Yep i heard the same so the hearing was spot on :thumbsup:
Just don`t tell SWMBO :whistling:

Ferret
11th December 2018, 06:17 PM
I'd like to see a jeep do this...

Half Safe - WWII amphibious jeep circumnavigates the world, crossing the Atlantic.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6563236-3x2-940x627.jpg
(https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-22/ben-carlin-and-his-half-safe-amphibious-vehicle-adventure-/6563962)

Seems there is a video on it YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Gqi-RlbO0)

bob10
11th December 2018, 08:34 PM
The schwimmenwagen first floated in 1943. How about the Kubelwagen? I should have known there would be an amphibious land rover.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6sG4AiwuaY)

Colmoore
11th December 2018, 08:41 PM
I want one just for the name....schwimmwagen #schwimmwagenlife

rammypluge
11th December 2018, 08:43 PM
Dont forget the Amphiranger....

YouTube (https://youtu.be/_2LiRiPyAFs)

rammypluge
11th December 2018, 08:46 PM
And the worlds fastest amphibious vehicle is..................a jeep........

YouTube (https://youtu.be/vH9-D98_wPc)

pop058
11th December 2018, 08:52 PM
And the worlds fastest amphibious vehicle is..................a jeep........

YouTube (https://youtu.be/vH9-D98_wPc)

It actual says it is powered by Honda. [biggrin]

bob10
11th December 2018, 08:52 PM
Some more German machines.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klu6r2oSXWM)

101 Ron
11th December 2018, 09:05 PM
YouTube (https://youtu.be/G6sG4AiwuaY)

101 Ron
11th December 2018, 09:37 PM
I have never had anything to do with a swimwagon.
But some of the other german gear I have.
I have driven a Kettengrad which was in Australia for many years and studied it greatly when it was stored at home.
The Kettengrad is brittant and interesting.
One meter wide, Opel 4 cyl 1600c motor, 3 speed main box with a high and low range.
I never got to open it up fully , but it could do over 60kph without to much trouble.
The idea of a motor cycle type wheel arrangement on the front was for fine steering control.......the idea worked extremely well.
Turning the handle bars gradually brought in one of the track brakes.
Could seat one driver and 2 passengers and pull a trailer.
The German detail to small things like the track sprockets have rollers on the ends of the teeth and greasable track pins ect.
The Kettengrad was small enough and simple enough to be a very succesful piece of kit and could pull air craft or work well in snow or mud.
The larger half tracks had things like pneumatic gear change control of the gearboxes and excessive compication which caused them to be hard to make and expensive , with service problems in the field for some models.
A good example is the heavy side car combinations which cost more to produce than a jeep and carried less load.
A heavy motor bike side car combo in the german army often had side car wheel drive, diff lock and high low range.
A jeep will cross flooded rivers, where a side car combo will easily drown, travel down steep tracks without wanting to lift a rear wheel or scrap the front of the side car because the bikes front wheel is offset to one side ect.
The jeep was much better than the heavy bike and side car combos
The Kubble wagon was reasonably successful , because it was light and simple enough to be cheap and easy to produce.
The jeep is better in most respects except for suspension.
The swimwagon was better on water and land than the amphibious GPA jeep due the Jeep swimming conversion being heavy and carrying many extra items not found on a normal WW2 jeep like winch, bilge pumps, rudder etc.
The swimwagon chassis was better suited being a unitary construction, the front wheels were the rudder, no winch, no heavy transmission PTO.
The swimwagon was light ,simpler than the GPA jeep and worked.

NavyDiver
11th December 2018, 09:55 PM
Ouch- my disco looses to a VW WW2 type :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DRijy0brOQ

87County
12th December 2018, 08:36 AM
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There was this genuine Schwimmwagen at the Corowa SwimIn this year - it was "for sale".

I did not buy it.

Sehr kluge Erfindung with the swingover water prop arrangement driving off the starter dog :) .

rammypluge
12th December 2018, 11:38 AM
Ouch- my disco looses to a VW WW2 type :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DRijy0brOQMy german is limited, so, were they comparing the performance of a girl with little or no offroad experience, against a guy with some offroad experience and who went through the obstacles at about twice the speed?

Separate to the actual comparison above, it does show differences between tyres, and how much traction a rear drive, rear weight biased vehicle has, which is a fair amount of traction, as both rear wheels should typically stay on the ground, significantly negating the need for tc or a locker.

[Do these journo's make mythbusters look like nobel science prize candidates?]

goingbush
12th December 2018, 11:46 AM
My german is limited, so, were they comparing the performance of a girl with little or no offroad experience, against a guy with some offroad experience and going through the obstacles at about twice the speed?

Separate to the actual comparison above, it does show differences between tyres, and how much traction a rear drive, rear weight biased vehicle has, which is a fair amount of traction, as both rear wheels should typically stay on the ground, significantly negating the need for tc or a locker.

Are you serious, ---> defend the Disco no matter what, I thought with all the electronics the Discovery 3, 4 & 5 was supposed to be able to perform better offload on Road Tyres than a Defender on Mud Tyres. Gender bias & off road driving experience aside.

I had a slightly modded VW Beetle with Winter treads before I had my first LR & I was super disappointed when the Landy with bar treads could NOT go nearly as good as the VW in some off road situations.

bee utey
12th December 2018, 12:02 PM
My german is limited, so, were they comparing the performance of a girl with little or no offroad experience, against a guy with some offroad experience and going through the obstacles at about twice the speed?



:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Sabine Schmitz is one of the world's most talented race car drivers. The video is just a funny skit on how 60 year old German tech can beat current pommy tech without raising a sweat. Not to be taken seriously.

Top Gear's Sabine Schmitz: 'I scared Clarkson so much he wouldn't ride with me' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/top-gear/top-gears-sabine-schmitz-i-scared-clarkson-so-much-he-wouldnt-ri/)

Sabine Schmitz - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabine_Schmitz)

Chops
12th December 2018, 12:31 PM
Ouch- my disco looses to a VW WW2 type :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DRijy0brOQ


Yeahh, na,, i reckon she should just learn how to drive.

101RRS
12th December 2018, 01:28 PM
That VW is not a WW2 vehicle - is certainly much later.

However the difference in performance between the two vehicles is not unexpected.

D3 at 2.5t, road tyres in clay vs light weight, skinny offroad tyres with only rear wheel drive but lots of weight over the rear.

I dont think either vehicle needs defending, both have strengths and weaknesses and in that clay pit the VW performed a bit better - different approaches might have made things different - what TR was the D3 in? I bet it was mud ruts but if in Rock Crawl it would have done better.

Like was said that "women" driver is one of the most talented drivers in all of Europe if not the world - she would have known what to do.

rammypluge
12th December 2018, 01:44 PM
Yeahh, na,, i reckon she should just learn how to drive.Yeah. Being a tarmac racing driver doesnt make her great at going offroad and acting all hopeless about it.

101RRS
12th December 2018, 01:48 PM
Have you ever watched her drive on Top Gear and 5th Gear - on all types of surfaces and all types of cars - she would put us all to shame - she knows how to drive offroad.

rammypluge
12th December 2018, 02:05 PM
Have you ever watched her drive on Top Gear and 5th Gear - on all types of surfaces and all types of cars - she would put us all to shame - she knows how to drive offroad.I have seen a bit but cant remember.

I have been googling her but havent yet found a single instance of her even being on dirt, never mind offroad.

rammypluge
12th December 2018, 02:07 PM
The swimwagon looks like it has decent speed and seaworthiness on water, and is decent offroad. I think i will look for more utube of it.

bob10
12th December 2018, 08:14 PM
Yeahh, na,, i reckon she should just learn how to drive.

I'm sure it's to do with the weight of the vehicle. Anyway, the history of the peoples car. According to Adolph Hitler. [bighmmm]

history of the VW beetle - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=history+of+the+VW+beetle&view=detail&mid=F5E37AD9C04518A9B733F5E37AD9C04518A9B733&FORM=VIRE)

bob10
12th December 2018, 08:46 PM
The peoples car could not have been built without the business relationship of Adolph Hitler and Henry Ford. Hitlers American business partners.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocsrkya-Bfk)

JDNSW
13th December 2018, 05:49 AM
And copying Tatra's designs!

350RRC
13th December 2018, 07:43 AM
An ex of mine shipped a Kubelwagen from Bali to Oz in the late 80's. Got it registered in Vic.

It was really just a beetle with a different body and a lot of fun to drive around in on a nice day. She sold it to get a Karmann Ghia.

DL

NavyDiver
13th December 2018, 08:07 AM
I'm sure it's to do with the weight of the vehicle. Anyway, the history of the peoples car. According to Adolph Hitler. [bighmmm]

history of the VW beetle - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=history+of+the+VW+beetle&view=detail&mid=F5E37AD9C04518A9B733F5E37AD9C04518A9B733&FORM=VIRE)

Agree re weight Bob. On the beach seeing all the big 4wds struggling while my lighter recycled tank ( Lada) chugged away though the soft stuff used to put a smile on my face. Until I got stuck and suzuki jimny floated above the sand past me[biggrin]


The history was interesting thanks

bob10
13th December 2018, 08:20 AM
Agree re weight Bob. On the beach seeing all the big 4wds struggling while my lighter recycled tank ( Lada) chugged away though the soft stuff used to put a smile on my face. Until I got stuck and suzuki jimny floated above the sand past me[biggrin]


The history was interesting thanks

Mate of mine had a Suzuki ute up in Darwin,I'm sure it had a tiny engine,[ 2 cylinders? ] floating over sand and mud is an apt description. The German vehicle had a flat bottom, reminds me of the stories about VW combie vans up the Cape going places larger heavier vehicles could not. It should be noted that the tyres on those German vehicles looked like normal road tyres.

JDNSW
13th December 2018, 10:08 AM
Mate of mine had a Suzuki ute up in Darwin,I'm sure it had a tiny engine,[ 2 cylinders? ] floating over sand and mud is an apt description.......

I think a 3 cylinder two stroke about 600cc for the early ones.

67hardtop
13th December 2018, 10:35 AM
And very smokey...

rammypluge
13th December 2018, 12:20 PM
Skidders weigh many tonnes but seemingly go almost anywhere.....

YouTube (https://youtu.be/IH82Dx0-uao)

NavyDiver
13th December 2018, 03:12 PM
Those tires[biggrin] are PADDLES from a paddle steamer
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bblaze
13th December 2018, 03:36 PM
I think a 3 cylinder two stroke about 600cc for the early ones.

3 cyc
550 two stroke
go any where I reckon
Mine was a soft top, on some tracks the only thing that kept it upright was the top of the roof, if you ddid get bogged you could pick them up, one end at at time. Jack up one back wheel and pull start them with a rope
cheers
blaze

bob10
13th December 2018, 03:47 PM
I think a 3 cylinder two stroke about 600cc for the early ones.

That's the one. A real little goer, as long as it was 2 up and not much gear.

350RRC
13th December 2018, 08:56 PM
3 cyc
550 two stroke
go any where I reckon
Mine was a soft top, on some tracks the only thing that kept it upright was the top of the roof, if you ddid get bogged you could pick them up, one end at at time. Jack up one back wheel and pull start them with a rope
cheers
blaze

And they rapidly lost weight with age, due to rust. A good friend of mine had one.

DL

bblaze
13th December 2018, 09:08 PM
And they rapidly lost weight with age, due to rust. A good friend of mine had one.

DL

yeh, mine had plenty of rust, also had 15 303 bullet holes. It broke down on previous owner about 300m from his house so when he got home he got the rifle out and shot it. There it sat until I brought it
cheers
blaze