Alternative to GOE Rods

[mitchE39]

Hi All,

Going to be careful with what I say here, but I have made the decision after some reading that I don’t want to buy the GOE rods, and am wondering what suggestions people have as alternatives.

I don’t want to spend as much as LLAMS, and would like to have the ability to go back to standard height easily, so am somewhat ruling out the Johnson rods.

What else is out there at the moment?

[DiscoJeffster]

If you want a multi use tool then the IID Tool which is a fully fledged diagnostic tool plus height adjust is how I do it, though it’s not cheap

[loanrangie]

Not many options, apart from what you have listed I only know of the Italian llams type electronic lift device.
I have a set of unused goe rods but now have a gap tool.

[101RRS]

If you dont want GOE Rods then what about rods from another provider - eg Johnson Rods and plenty of no names around - even make your own.

LLAMs is the way to go though.

[mitchE39]

If you want a multi use tool then the IID Tool which is a fully fledged diagnostic tool plus height adjust is how I do it, though it’s not cheap

This is something I have considered. How involved it it to change height settings on these?

[DiscoJeffster]

This is something I have considered. How involved it it to change height settings on these?

If you leave it connected to the vehicle:
- fire up app
- connect to last device (one press)
- select height adjust menu (one press)
- select preset height setting (one press)

You predefine your preferences and can have three quick press settings. It’s really that easy.

[Turtle60]

Well if you don’t won’t rods, which are cheap and effective, then IID tool is by far and away the best. As discojeffster says you can have up to three height settings, Bluetooth assessable from your phone, as well as a fully functional diagnostic tool. Failing those two options stick with the terrain response system and don’t exceed 50 kph is about it.
Option 3 is 18” rims and oversized tyres if you are prepared for the spare tyre issue and the obvious cost. Benefit here in my case is 12mm lift and no change to cv angles. I went the iID tool and oversized tyres. Cheers

[mitchE39]

Well if you don’t won’t rods, which are cheap and effective

I should clarify on that, I do want the rods, as I had them on my last D3 and we’re good in the limited use I had with them before having to sell the car. The thing that I don’t want is to be buying them from GOE, because of the questionable delivery times etc mentioned in other threads. If someone out there has a direct rip off, then I’d be happy to get them.

[Disco-tastic]

I should clarify on that, I do want the rods, as I had them on my last D3 and we’re good in the limited use I had with them before having to sell the car. The thing that I don’t want is to be buying them from GOE, because of the questionable delivery times etc mentioned in other threads. If someone out there has a direct rip off, then I’d be happy to get them.You could 3d print a set. If you dont have access to a 3d printer there are a few online services where you can give them a model and they'll print it and ship it to you for a few bucks.

If you want to go that way i could get some measurements of mine. Probably wouldnt be til after christmas or new year though.

[Redback]

It takes 5mins to uninstall LLAMS and 5mins to re-install if you need too.

I've had LLAMS in our D4 for 7 years, far and away superior to rods and IID Tool(which isn't that much cheaper than the LLAMS are.

[Mog60]

Probably a bit expensive especially when delivery is taken into account, Prospeed Rods...Discovery 3 and 4 lift rods : ProSpeed (http://prospeed-group.co.uk/product/discovery-3-and-4-lift-rods/)

[DiscoJeffster]

It takes 5mins to uninstall LLAMS and 5mins to re-install if you need too.

I've had LLAMS in our D4 for 7 years, far and away superior to rods and IID Tool(which isn't that much cheaper than the LLAMS are.

But LLAMS is a one trick pony. If you’re adjusting your suspension outside what the factory buttons offer more than once a month, then I agree the convenience of LLAMS would be well worth it. In my case, as I wanted the IID to effect all my servicing needs, and I only use the height function once every few months, it was a no from me. I tolerate the few app clicks.

As they say, right took for the job [emoji106] Both good tools

[TuffRR]

I have IIDtool and LLams. I could use the IIDTool to change heights, but LLams is so convenient. I use it very frequently when off-road, changing settings depending on road surfaces, angles, etc.

[101RRS]

If someone out there has a direct rip off, then I’d be happy to get them.

Google is your friend

LR3 Lift Kit, LR4 Lift Kit, Johnson Rods (http://johnsonrods.com/)

As mentioned - Discovery 3 and 4 lift rods : ProSpeed (http://prospeed-group.co.uk/product/discovery-3-and-4-lift-rods/)

British Off Road - The Land Rover spare parts specialists - Johnson Rods (http://www.britishoffroad.com/products/johnsonrods.aspx)

Lift Rods for Land Rover LR3 (Discovery 3) | Proud Rhino (http://proud-rhino.com/lr3-discovery-3/lr3-lift-rods/)

BA7558 - LAND ROVER DISCOVERY 3/4 - RR SPORT - AIR SUSPENSION LIFT ROD KIT | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BA7558-LAND-ROVER-DISCOVERY-3-4-RR-SPORT-AIR-SUSPENSION-LIFT-ROD-KIT/283117896061?fits=Model%3ADiscovery%7CMake%3ALand+ Rover&hash=item41eb24417d:g:n0UAAOSwTHRbfOyP)

Just a few on a quick search.

Garry

[Russrobe]

Just beware that if you fit a roof rack and 32" tyres, you're going to want to be able to lower it to enter car parks. The extra 2 inches llams gives me below access height allows me to squeeze into any multi story car park. Without it i'd have done some damage by now.

Llams has a lot more functionality. I'd say save a bit longer and fork out the money, plus they have great resale, you can get back 50% of your money when you come to selling the car.

[matti4556]

+1 for LLAMS
- just reach down to console (without looking) flick switch for quick raise on the fly when the track conditions change and better still, quick change down when you see the overhanging "MAX height 2.1m" bar as you swing into the car-parking station. That's a 2 trick Pony and a quick trick as well. Worth every cent.
I even use it to "lift" my tow pin higher into my caravan hitch these days (rather than hop out and wind down the jockey wheel.) That's 3 tricks.
Not once have I had to reach under a muddy filthy or sandy mudguard to re-position rods.
Matti

[Eevo]

$600 is a bit high

[Graeme]

Send me a PM for a forum price. However if only for occasional use and if you can make use of a good diagnostic tool and have the money to spend then there's a good argument to get the diagnostic tool, at least first, otherwise just keep speed under 50 kph for now.

[letherm]

I had this same dilemma in that I needed to get better than access height regularly for my wife. I was leaning towards the LLAMS but eventually opted for the blue tooth version of the GAPIID tool. Reason was that the GAPIID tool of course had all of its inherent functionality with diagnostics etc. I would have loved to have both but economics said one or the other. I regularly drop the car down to its bump stops which is an option on the height control screen. All it takes is a few keystrokes. Drive off and normal height is returned without doing anything - same as normally using access height. The other control screen can be set to three user defined settings such as lower access, higher off road setting etc. What happens is that it overrides the regular car settings and adds for example 50mm to all the cars settings when that user defined setting is selected. If I'm not mistaken you can then use the normal LR buttons to select access, normal or off road height and they would, in this case, be 50mm higher than standard. This is how the 50kph off road limit is overcome for example. The LLAMS would definitely be simpler and is obviously a great piece of gear but if money is an issue the small inconvenience of a few keystrokes on a phone app is worth the GAPIID tool.

Martin

[dirvine]

+1 for LLAMS
- just reach down to console (without looking) flick switch for quick raise on the fly when the track conditions change and better still, quick change down when you see the overhanging "MAX height 2.1m" bar as you swing into the car-parking station. That's a 2 trick Pony and a quick trick as well. Worth every cent.
I even use it to "lift" my tow pin higher into my caravan hitch these days (rather than hop out and wind down the jockey wheel.) That's 3 tricks.
Not once have I had to reach under a muddy filthy or sandy mudguard to re-position rods.
Matti
Actually 4 tricks: When I stop I use LLAMs to level the van. Then wind down the legs and then lower LLAMS to drive away from tow pin! (maybe thats 5 tricks. I just love other caravaners who watch me hitch up and just cannot believe how easy hook up is with the D4.

[DiscoJeffster]

Actually 4 tricks: When I stop I use LLAMs to level the van. Then wind down the legs and then lower LLAMS to drive away from tow pin! (maybe thats 5 tricks. I just love other caravaners who watch me hitch up and just cannot believe how easy hook up is with the D4.

But I do this too, with the button on the dash called access height. Maybe I’m lucky that my camper lines up like that?

[cjc_td5]

Might be time to draw a couple up, grab some conveyor belt rubber, and go and see my local laser cutting service to get a few cut out me thinks....

[loanrangie]

Might be time to draw a couple up, grab some conveyor belt rubber, and go and see my local laser cutting service to get a few cut out me thinks....I was thinking of alloy.

[101RRS]

Here you go a home made set that have worked for years - and only cost a few $$$ to make - not mine.

146834

[DiscoJeffster]

Here you go a home made set that have worked for years - and only cost a few $$$ to make - not mine.

146834

Love it. Simple.

[loanrangie]

Here you go a home made set that have worked for years - and only cost a few $$$ to make - not mine.

146834

Looks like the johnson rods to me.

http://www.britishoffroad.com/images/johnsonrods/johnson_rods2.jpg

[101RRS]

Nope - similar design but home made.

[SimmAus]

Here you go a home made set that have worked for years - and only cost a few $$$ to make - not mine.

146834

Look like they’d suit the new defender?

[shanegtr]

But LLAMS is a one trick pony. If you’re adjusting your suspension outside what the factory buttons offer more than once a month, then I agree the convenience of LLAMS would be well worth it. In my case, as I wanted the IID to effect all my servicing needs, and I only use the height function once every few months, it was a no from me. I tolerate the few app clicks.

As they say, right took for the job [emoji106] Both good tools

My D3 every now and again (hasn't done it for a while now) throws up a yaw sensor fault, which causes a DSC fault and drops the suspension to access height. Can be rest by cycling the ignition which is a pain in the arse when your on the highway doing 110km. LLAMS I just flick to the +50mm height setting when I get this fault and normal height is restored and I keep motoring along.
Not sure if I can do the same thing with my IID tool while on the run with a fault log clear (never tried it),sure as hell cant do it with rods either (well you could but you need to stop to do it)
So there's one extra thing you can do with LLAMS

[Russrobe]

Am i the only one who also uses the -50mm setting while on the highway on very windy days? I find i get blown around a lot less when the extra 2 inches lower. Actually, it feels like the winds gone.

Flicking the few buttons on the app while driving out of a car park usually into busy traffic sounds less than ideal.

IID tool is still better than nothing. Both is best. Rods come in last.

[DiscoJeffster]

Am i the only one who also uses the -50mm setting while on the highway on very windy days? I find i get blown around a lot less when the extra 2 inches lower. Actually, it feels like the winds gone.

Flicking the few buttons on the app while driving out of a car park usually into busy traffic sounds less than ideal.

IID tool is still better than nothing. Both is best. Rods come in last.

Never have, never felt a need. I find the ride (at access height) awful in carparks so wouldn’t want that generally. I also like to keep my tires at the optimum alignment to avoid premature wear

[Russrobe]

Never have, never felt a need. I find the ride (at access height) awful in carparks so wouldn’t want that generally. I also like to keep my tires at the optimum alignment to avoid premature wear


I find it awful in car parks too, although when travelling at 100/110 it's fine. Don't use it all the time, just on really wind days, and on the entire stretch from Port Hedland to Broome.

Would have to run it a lot more often than that to notice any uneven tyre wear.

[Eevo]

the old p38 used to lower above 80km/h.
wish they still did this.

[LRD414]

the old p38 used to lower above 80km/h. wish they still did this.
Well they sort of do ..... you just have to double that number and it lowers, known as High Speed Height.

Cheers,
Scott

https://topix.landrover.jlrext.com/topix/service/archive/65295/air%20suspension.pdf






(https://www.google.com/url'sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=2ahUKEwiu0aTB0KvfAhUEbo8KHdRQD5IQFjABegQIBBAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftopix.landrover.jlrext.com%2Ftop ix%2Fservice%2Farchive%2F65295%2Fair%2520suspensio n.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1xJi_DKbMWXf80b5mTp_4l)

[DiscoJeffster]

Well they sort of do ..... you just have to double that number and it lowers, known as High Speed Height.

Cheers,
Scott

https://topix.landrover.jlrext.com/topix/service/archive/65295/air%20suspension.pdf






(https://www.google.com/url'sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=2ahUKEwiu0aTB0KvfAhUEbo8KHdRQD5IQFjABegQIBBAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftopix.landrover.jlrext.com%2Ftop ix%2Fservice%2Farchive%2F65295%2Fair%2520suspensio n.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1xJi_DKbMWXf80b5mTp_4l)

So a typical drive home from picking up the kids from school for my wife then. Explains the inconsistent tyre wear [emoji23]

[Konradical]

By chance does the Nanocom adjust the suspension height as per the IID? Obviously not as simply, but I do remember seeing something when I was scrolling through the menus.

[letherm]

By chance does the Nanocom adjust the suspension height as per the IID? Obviously not as simply, but I do remember seeing something when I was scrolling through the menus.

I had one but sold it to get the GAPIID. One of the reasons was the ease of use of the Blue Tooth GAPIID versus the Nanocom. Answer is yes the Nanocom can adjust the suspension but from memory it was a bit fiddly compared to the GAPIID. If it's infrequent adjustment it's probably OK but I use it frequently as in several times a week sometimes.

You could get onto the Nanocom site and download the manual to see how it works.

Martin

[Konradical]

I had one but sold it to get the GAPIID. One of the reasons was the ease of use of the Blue Tooth GAPIID versus the Nanocom. Answer is yes the Nanocom can adjust the suspension but from memory it was a bit fiddly compared to the GAPIID. If it's infrequent adjustment it's probably OK but I use it frequently as in several times a week sometimes.

You could get onto the Nanocom site and download the manual to see how it works.

MartinI initially wanted the GAP tool, but at the time of purchase, the Nanocom met the price I could afford and get to me in the timeframe I required it.

I will check out the manual and see how I can do it.

Cheers!

[letherm]

I initially wanted the GAP tool, but at the time of purchase, the Nanocom met the price I could afford and get to me in the timeframe I required it.

I will check out the manual and see how I can do it.

Cheers!
Yes, that's why I went for the Nanocom originally. When I swapped to the GAPIID the price was better and I needed to lower the car past access height for my wife. I was looking at the LLAMS kit but the price point meant that the GAPIID fitted my needs and had more functionality. Selling the Nanocom made the change over an easy decision.

Martin

[drowell]

Has anyone used LLAMS? I have had it on my 2010 D4 HSE since 2010. $600 fitted and is as simple as a knob on the side of the steering column. Bluetooth sounds too fussy.
Llams runs -20, 0, +30, +50mm and just splices into the existing harness.
Agree -50 sounds like a disaster. Can't imagine what the ride would be like. Nasty on the cv joints too.

[loanrangie]

Has anyone used LLAMS? I have had it on my 2010 D4 HSE since 2010. $600 fitted and is as simple as a knob on the side of the steering column. Bluetooth sounds too fussy.
Llams runs -20, 0, +30, +50mm and just splices into the existing harness.
Agree -50 sounds like a disaster. Can't imagine what the ride would be like. Nasty on the cv joints too.

Actually the BT works well and adjusting the suspension is a simple process, obviously not as convenient as the dial for Llams.

[Redback]

I use LLAMS almost every day and have been on +30 for as long as we have had it 6 or 7yrs, never used -20 and certainly wouldn't use -50, actually I would think -50 wouldn't be far off being on the bump stops.

Invaluable off road, on most occasions don't even use offroad mode at all.

[Eevo]

Well they sort of do ..... you just have to double that number and it lowers, known as High Speed Height.


i know, and the policeman complains.