Do city people care about the conditions in the bush?

[B.S.F.]

There is no better way to show that city dwellers don't care about the bush than by wasting money on 7 tons of firework in Brisbane on newyears eve.
.W.

[Saitch]

I made a comment in a similar vein to my wife last night when seeing the event advertised. Surely donating the funds instead instead of burning them, even for one year, is not going to create a perceived affront to the precious. :soapbox:

[trog]

I wouldnt be surprised if there weren’t bigger displays elsewhere

[Blknight.aus]

Sydney do about double that minimum..

[LRJim]

The amount of money local business would make on the night would return that in tax tenfold.

No need to be party poopers

Happy new year

[weeds]

I don’t think you can compare........A couple of millions people plus 10 of thousands of tourist to a town with a couple of hundred???

I can find plenty more examples of wasted money in both cities and rural areas.

I’m pretty sure rural towns put on events for there target audience.....

[B.S.F.]

The amount of money local business would make on the night would return that in tax tenfold.

No need to be party poopers

Happy new year

I guess that answers my original question.
.W

[LRJim]

I guess that answers my original question.
.WWoe is me

[1950landy]

Around our area schools & churches have fireworks at the drop of a hat , all the churches have there Christmas carrols why do they have to have to have fire works ? Fireworks have nothing to do with Christmas. And why do these good church goers have to put all the dogs in the suburb through all that stress. I am sure our poor dog is going to go through the glass doors .Most of our friends leave the Christmas Carrols before the fireworks start because the kids don't like them anyway.

[goingbush]

I hate fireworks with a passion, Bloody noise & environmental pollution is what it is, as well as a huge waste of money. Tourists don't travel to see fireworks so the revenue argument is invalid. The tourists are there anyway.

As for the question "do city people care about the conditions in the bush? " In my opinion that would be an unequivocal no .

Environmental terrorists is what they are , getting away for the weekend involves disrespecting locals, buggering up whatever bush they can find & leaving tonnes of rubbish behind for the others to clean up .

[Homestar]

Melbourne's are set to be huge too - NYE fireworks Melbourne: Your guide to enjoying the NYE fireworks (https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/your-guide-to-enjoying-the-nye-fireworks-in-melbourne-20181228-p50olw.html)

Not my cup of tea personally and I'll be on the inlaws farm listening to the cows and mozzies on new years.

As to the original question - no, City dwellers have no clue nor interest in the Country.

[Fourgearsticks]

I hate fireworks with a passion, Bloody noise & environmental pollution is what it is, as well as a huge waste of money. Tourists don't travel to see fireworks so the revenue argument is invalid. The tourists are there anyway.

As for the question "do city people care about the conditions in the bush? " In my opinion that would be an unequivocal no .

Environmental terrorists is what they are , getting away for the weekend involves disrespecting locals, buggering up whatever bush they can find & leaving tonnes of rubbish behind for the others to clean up .
I agree with your hatred of fireworks but I have been known as a party pooper. If you don't like fireworks don't go to Alice Springs on cracker night, horses bolting down suburban roads, dogs rabid with fear at having fireworks thrown at them, letterbox's blown to pieces everywhere and that's before it gets dark when the real carnage starts. Their a different mob in the Territory.

Now I have to take exception at the rest of your post, I know city people care about folks in the bush and as for being environmental vandals I think you have to the wrong way round. How many Cocky's do you know take their rubbish on the way to town only to dump it in some side road somewhere? I have known farmers who poison platerpus and shoot koala's so no chance of any greenies trying to protect them.
Now obviously not many are like that but they are around. Drought is a terrible thing that occurs naturally but seems many don't prepare for it, they ask for government assistance which city people pay taxes to support. Many city folk give generously to drought support in the bad times. Any small business that rely on rural clientele are left to fend for themselves, with no gov assistance or access to dole or support. Small business fend for them selves the same way everybody does with financial recession. When drought does go and good times are return how many times have you heard farmers give back for the help they receive? In areas I have worked some farmers have been on drought relief but the kids still go to the best private schools. They still drive around in a couple of year old Merc or top of the line Land Cruiser.

It's not good to generalise but you get the idea. Most folks are good hearted, help out in bad times and respect others and the environment. There are people who use the system, people both in and out of cities.

Now back to fireworks, I'll be knocking out Zzzz when midnight comes.

[DazzaTD5]

There is no better way to show that city dwellers don't care about the bush than by wasting money on 7 tons of firework in Brisbane on newyears eve.
.W.

In general, no people don't care much further than their own nose, family, or maybe their local community.

If you look at the life style of the "rich and famous" on one end of the spectrum and then look at a family in a third world country that will lose a child to starvation by the nights end. (then times that one death x aprox 20,000 children under the age of 5 per day die from preventable causes)

It might as well be a different planet.....

[rick130]

The fireworks are nothing.
But 2 billion $ on a couple of football stadiums for Sydney.....

Imagine what that can do for services in the regions and rural areas of NSW.

When I lived in a very rural area we joked that NSW stood for Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong.
Nothing outside there existed.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

considering that stadium is only X years old,,, whats the go there???

[4bee]

What surprises me at times like this is that one never hears a squeak about air pollution from the Green lot.[bighmmm]

[weeds]

Er I think farming has a bigger impact on the environment than fireworks.

[goingbush]

Er I think farming has a bigger impact on the environment than fireworks.

I agree . Lets ban farming.

that will solve the problem, the people will all die . no more people = no more problem.

[rick130]

considering that stadium is only X years old,,, whats the go there???

Who the hell knows mate. Other than $$ for someone, somewhere involved.

[CraigE]

There is no better way to show that city dwellers don't care about the bush than by wasting money on 7 tons of firework in Brisbane on newyears eve.
.W.
I am not sure what your issue is. I have no issue with fireworks, people have different interests. How is this worse than a 4x4 burning around in the bush? There is money wasted on less useful things.

[B.S.F.]

I should have said Rural Australia instead of bush.
.W.

[Arapiles]

How many Cocky's do you know take their rubbish on the way to town only to dump it in some side road somewhere?.

To answer your question, none. Why would farmers be taking rubbish into town? That’s what old dams are for.



In areas I have worked some farmers have been on drought relief but the kids still go to the best private schools. They still drive around in a couple of year old Merc or top of the line Land Cruiser.

I grew up on a farm and I don’t know any farmers who had Mercs or any flash cars - maybe some really well off graziers but I’d suspect it would be pretty uncommon and that they’d have other sources of income. The rest of your allegations are defamatory and if you do know of someone who’s cheated on “drought relief” then I suggest you report it to the authorities.

[Eevo]

who pays more tax?
city or rural?

[bee utey]

who pays more tax?
city or rural?

Per capita or per acre?

[Bigbjorn]

who pays more tax?
city or rural?

Primary producers and self-employed don't pay income tax, or very little using the rorts and lurks available to them under the Income Tax Assessment Act. Wage and salary earners pay income tax and can not do too much to minimise it.

[rick130]

To answer your question, none. Why would farmers be taking rubbish into town? That’s what old dams are for.



I ran a cattle property for a number of years and we always did a run into the tip in town 25km away to dump the households waste, as did most everyone else we knew.
You just did a few things at the same time, including a coffee stop at a cafe [emoji23]

No one dropped rubbish around, that was the travelers going through. Or kids from town dropping their Maccas rubbish.

Dumping in an old dam went out when I was a kid.

[V8Ian]

I ran a cattle property for a number of years and we always did a run into the tip in town 25km away to dump the households waste, as did most everyone else we knew.
You just did a few things at the same time, including a coffee stop at a cafe [emoji23]

No one dropped rubbish around, that was the travelers going through. Or kids from town dropping their Maccas rubbish.

Dumping in an old dam went out when I was a kid.
Back when YouTube (https://youtu.be/JQe4q4T5n9o) [bigwhistle]

[trout1105]

All the farms and stations that I have worked on have had their own rubbish pits.
It was a rare occasion that a new pit had to be dug because verry little got thrown away and all the household rubbish was burnt (just like we all do when we go camping) before it went into the pit.
Farmers have to be by far Australias best recyclers.

[4bee]

I ran a cattle property for a number of years and we always did a run into the tip in town 25km away to dump the households waste, as did most everyone else we knew.
You just did a few things at the same time, including a coffee stop at a cafe [emoji23]

No one dropped rubbish around, that was the travelers going through. Or kids from town dropping their Maccas rubbish.

Dumping in an old dam went out when I was a kid.

They did on this property as well now we have a nice little historical Midden to go through one day. From what I can see, there appears to be quite a lot of pottery objects but I'll bet there is nothing of any value in there.
The only reason I haven't yet looked is because they tossed it over into a creek & the bank is very steep & deep & I bet there is a lot of broken glass among it all, but I very much doubt if there is any old fine bone china. Then again,...............they may have overlooked the Gold Nuggets.[bighmmm]

The thing that really ****es me off though, is the roadside waste of Polystyrene & plastics etc that blows out the back of Orchardist's utes. You can always tell when one has passed your way, just follow the Bouncing Polystyrene Ball.
I happened to mention this in passing to an Orchardist's wife a few years ago & the reaction was as though it was their God Given Right because they were producers.. It's all changed now & they ain't King of the Castle any more here, as grapes have taken their place.

[goingbush]

Ahem, the above comments make it clear that city people don't give a stuff about the country, clearly they prefer imported produce and is why Australia is going down the **** hole .

[rick130]

Back when YouTube (https://youtu.be/JQe4q4T5n9o) [bigwhistle][emoji23]

Ahh Ian, the horses the ex had would've been horrified if anything like that was attempted!

The stables even had hot water so they could have a hot wash in winter after being worked!

[ramblingboy42]

Different people.

That's why the slickers live and work in the city and attend million dollar fireworks for pleasure.

It's why the pastoralists and their families live and work in the bush and go to the local rodeo or campdraft for similar pleasure.

I just love going out into the bush and meeting up with my friends and families out there.

I get no good feelings going into the city at all.

[trout1105]

Different people.

That's why the slickers live and work in the city and attend million dollar fireworks for pleasure.

It's why the pastoralists and their families live and work in the bush and go to the local rodeo or campdraft for similar pleasure.

I just love going out into the bush and meeting up with my friends and families out there.

I get no good feelings going into the city at all.

In the bush you make your own entertainment But in the city someone has to provide the entertainment for the unimaginative buggers[bigwhistle]

[Arapiles]

I ran a cattle property for a number of years and we always did a run into the tip in town 25km away to dump the households waste, as did most everyone else we knew.
You just did a few things at the same time, including a coffee stop at a cafe [emoji23]

No one dropped rubbish around, that was the travelers going through. Or kids from town dropping their Maccas rubbish.

Dumping in an old dam went out when I was a kid.

Yes, we did a run to the council tip every couple of months, but no reason to dump anything on the way there. Now, because they amalgamated the local shire with the nearest big town, the farm actually gets a weekly rubbish collection.

[strangy]

Alice Springs fireworks...
I think that post is a fine example to answer the original question.
I’ll simplify it: those who don’t and never have lived in the bush romanticise stories to suit whatever viewpoint has inspired them on the day.
No, city people don’t care about nor need the bush/ rural areas except to stroke their “environmentally egos” by admonishing those who keep them alive. Literally.
The multitudes of consumers of anything edible or otherwise know milk, meat vegetables all come from the fridge at Woollies.
Brought by trucks, trains and ships that run on happiness and rainbows.

[CraigE]

I have to disagree, country people like fire works as much as anyone else.
I used to organize the fireworks for a country community Christmas tree event.


Different people.

That's why the slickers live and work in the city and attend million dollar fireworks for pleasure.

It's why the pastoralists and their families live and work in the bush and go to the local rodeo or campdraft for similar pleasure.

I just love going out into the bush and meeting up with my friends and families out there.

I get no good feelings going into the city at all.

[cuppabillytea]

The fire works money is not wasted because. It brings in many millions of tourist dollars.
To say that City people don't care about the bush is an absolute bloody insult. I know of two schools that got together and raised $170,000. in a weekend for drought relief.
Why should we all stop making money just because some are doing it tough? And why are bush people so contemptuous of City people?

[Eevo]

Per capita or per acre?

gross.

[JDNSW]

The fire works money is not wasted because. It brings in many millions of tourist dollars.
To say that City people don't care about the bush is an absolute bloody insult. I know of two schools that got together and raised $170,000. in a weekend for drought relief.
Why should we all stop making money just because some are doing it tough? And why are bush people so contemptuous of City people?

As you point out, not all are the same. (both ways) Not long before Christmas, the students at my old high school (Parramatta) in the city, raised $10,000, which they took to Gilgandra High to help support those students disadvantaged by the drought (e.g. no money for excursions etc).

Bush people tend to be contemptuous of city people mainly because they get saddled with rules and regulations that might make a lot of sense in the city, but make little sense in the country - and cost country people a lot more in time and money, and inconvenience than they do in the city. These feelings are exacerbated by a feeling of powerlessness, engendered by the simple fact that there are far more votes in the city, despite the fact that both city and bush depend on each other.

Both sides often regard the other as uneducated - the bush despise the city for thinking that food originates in supermarkets, and the city despises the bush for being uneducated boors. Both views, while accurate in some cases, are, by and large, totally false.

[cuppabillytea]

As you point out, not all are the same. (both ways) Not long before Christmas, the students at my old high school (Parramatta) in the city, raised $10,000, which they took to Gilgandra High to help support those students disadvantaged by the drought (e.g. no money for excursions etc).

Bush people tend to be contemptuous of city people mainly because they get saddled with rules and regulations that might make a lot of sense in the city, but make little sense in the country - and cost country people a lot more in time and money, and inconvenience than they do in the city. These feelings are exacerbated by a feeling of powerlessness, engendered by the simple fact that there are far more votes in the city, despite the fact that both city and bush depend on each other.

Both sides often regard the other as uneducated - the bush despise the city for thinking that food originates in supermarkets, and the city despises the bush for being uneducated boors. Both views, while accurate in some cases, are, by and large, totally false.
That was very well put John.
I do empathise with those in the bush who struggle with the cost of compliance.
The people in the city are not exempt from these seemingly ridiculous rules. They have nobbled the industry I work in, but they wouldn't be necessary were it not for the aberrant behaviour of a few reckless individuals.
We all need to have the courage to reign in the reckless and irresponsible in our own communities so that Legislators don't write the rules in the first place.

[jonesfam]

I have lived in small bush/remote towns for over 30 years.
I am in no way "contemptuous" of city folk, I don't like cities but that's nothing to do with the people that live in them, there is just to many of them.
I don't get city people & I'm very sure that 99.9% of city people don't get me.
So I'll stay here & only go to the city when I need to &
City folk are welcome out here anytime, bring your family & help boost our economies.
Jonesfam
BTW Enjoy your fireworks.

[Fourgearsticks]

Ahem, the above comments make it clear that city people don't give a stuff about the country, clearly they prefer imported produce and is why Australia is going down the **** hole .
It's not "Them or Us" it's just us. I blame supermarket chains for cutting the price farmers get for produce. Try buying Australian fruit, I won't buy fruit unless it's Australian. The rest of their shelves are the same, anything they can get cheaper so they can mark it up. Farmers get ripped off, they get only a tiny percentage of the final price of produce.

[Fourgearsticks]

Primary producers and self-employed don't pay income tax, or very little using the rorts and lurks available to them under the Income Tax Like running the diesel Merc or Landcruiser on tax exempt farm diesel or maybe claiming every vehicle you own as a tax deduction on lease. A bloke that wasn't a primary producer I know used to use $20,000 a month of diesel on power generation and had to pay full price, couldn't get it tax exempt. Farmers get fuel cheaper because it's not used on road (Supposedly).
If your a wage earner try getting a tax deduction for fuel used going to work, it's a legitimate expense, without a car you couldn't work but workers just have to suck it up and pay full price.
Most farms and rural businesses run at a tax loss, all workers pay tax, can't get out of it.

[martnH]

The firework not paid by Taxpayer
It's paid by "city people" (councils

[Eevo]

case closed then

[trog]

The firework not paid by Taxpayer
It's paid by "city people" (councils

I think the nsw govt has stepped in and made some vantage points a ticketed area , though the event has been funded by the city.

[Arapiles]

Like running the diesel Merc or Landcruiser on tax exempt farm diesel or maybe claiming every vehicle you own as a tax deduction on lease. A bloke that wasn't a primary producer I know used to use $20,000 a month of diesel on power generation and had to pay full price, couldn't get it tax exempt. Farmers get fuel cheaper because it's not used on road (Supposedly).
If your a wage earner try getting a tax deduction for fuel used going to work, it's a legitimate expense, without a car you couldn't work but workers just have to suck it up and pay full price.
Most farms and rural businesses run at a tax loss, all workers pay tax, can't get out of it.

There are actually a wide range of fuel excise/GST exemptions for a range of businesses, not just agriculture.

[rick130]

It's not "Them or Us" it's just us. I blame supermarket chains for cutting the price farmers get for produce. Try buying Australian fruit, I won't buy fruit unless it's Australian. The rest of their shelves are the same, anything they can get cheaper so they can mark it up. Farmers get ripped off, they get only a tiny percentage of the final price of produce.

and it's been like this for a very long time.

Through the nineties I looked after a number of orchards in the Bilpin region.
By around this part of the stone fruit season the trays were costing more than what the fruit was selling for at market.
Coles, Woolies and back then, Franklins dictated the price as they controlled over 60% of the Sydney/NSW market.
The old road side stall made much more money thna the tonnes that were sent to Flemington.

[4bee]

I think the nsw govt has stepped in and made some vantage points a ticketed area , though the event has been funded by the city.


A Politicians ONLY area perchance[biggrin]?

[laney]

What a load of crap to say city people don't care about rural communities just because they set of fire works on new years eve now I'm not saying all city people care as not all country people care about the city but to say the city lets of fire works on new years eve is just narrow minded and ridiculous. Now I grew up in a regional town in Victoria (Warrnambool) worked on a dairy farm for many years at Mepunga and Grassmere so have a pretty good idea of how hard it gets on the land most country people I've dealt with are fairly inventive and smart they find ways around most problems natural or man made but to say city folk don't care is just harsh in my option.

[donh54]

I think it's not so much that a number of city people don't care, as that they have no point of comparison.
As a kid growing up in the 50's and 60's, almost every other kid at school (in the city) had at least one relative who had a farm.
Most of us kids got to visit the farm whenever school holidays matched up with haymaking, shearing, lambing or harvesting. Well, you could probably replace the word "visit" with "work" [biggrin]
I learnt to drive the old grey Fergie (it wasn't so old back then!) whilst Grandad and some Uncles were throwing bales onto the trailer. I was still so small, I had to stand on the clutch pedal with both feet to pull it out of gear, then straddle the gearbox to reach the brake to pull up! I couldn't reach the pedals if I was sitting on the seat!
I remember being drafted into helping Mum and the Aunties kill, pluck and dress half a dozen chooks for a Christmas dinner.
It's probably not real fair to go on about the "townies'" lack of empathy, when the vast majority of them are totally disconnected from where their 3 meals a day come from.
The price of "progress, I suppose. [bigsad]

[trout1105]

The nation's best kept secret: regional Australia (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/the-nations-best-kept-secret-regional-australia/ar-BBRFIQk?ocid=spartandhp)

[Pickles2]

Well, I've just read right through this post, I'm OLD, so I'll just say a few things.
Been a Churchgoer all my life, NEVER had fireworks at Christmas time.
Since the time when I was young, attitudes have changed, so have the way some (an ever increasing number IMHO) think about others,...BUT, NOT IN ALL CASES,...this comment does not apply to everyone, but AFAIAC, there are more uncaring people around these days than there were in the 50/60s, some of these people wouldn't have thought about an Aussie farm during their whole life.
So, I reckon that there are the same type of people who do care now, as they always did, but in terms of our overall population, their percentage and influence is decreasing.
Pickles. (All IMHO of course).

[martnH]

I think we digress a bit

The OP's logic is:

Donation to rual area =care

Money spent on fireworks= displaced donation (although not your money) = no donations = don't care

Therefore, the firework city folks enjoyed = selfishness


I don't know but people do enjoy polarising discussion not. Them vs us.

Does bush folks care the city folks? Is it all about money or really "care" as in understanding?

Understanding as in mutual understanding? Personally I can't imagine what is the big difference. Wake up dress brush your teeth then work till 6pm
Meal maybe something else the sleep and do it again. In the weekends have some fun.

If running the farm becomes too hard. Sell it and do what you think is better. We as human will always and always make the decision that is the best in our situation. We complain but still what you have is the best you can have.

What kind of care do people need?