Man dies after being run over while asleep at a camping ground in southern New South

[LRT]

Man dies after being run over while asleep at a camping ground in southern New South Wales - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-30/man-dies-after-being-run-over-while-asleep-in-a-campground/10674454?pfmredir=sm)

[87County]

Very unfortunate incident, from the police comments it was apparently a case where common sense was taking a break as well.

Very sad for all involved.

[trout1105]

Poor Bugger, Very sad indeed.

[justinc]

😟😟😟probably another bloody LC park brake , they are truly dangerous if not 100% in perfect working condition..
Poor family!!!😥

[Roverlord off road spares]

We had a death last night a pedestrian was run over by an Ambulance.

[ramblingboy42]

😟😟😟probably another bloody LC park brake , they are truly dangerous if not 100% in perfect working condition..
Poor family!!!😥

I have a few Landcruiser owning friends who go bush with me.

Is there something that they should know be warned about?

They will listen to me now that I don't own a Land Rover.

[trout1105]

I cant see anywhere in that report that says the 4WD was a Landcruiser, It could have been a Landrover for all we know[bigwhistle]

[LRT]

I cant see anywhere in that report that says the 4WD was a Landcruiser, It could have been a Landrover for all we know[bigwhistle]

Or a Jeep. They all seem to have decorative hand brakes....

[trout1105]

I never rely solely on a handbrake regardless of what car/truck/4WD i am using at the time and i never sleep downhill from ANY vehical either.
Lots of people are now venturing out into the bush which is fantastic But there is very little education or guidence available to these people other than those bloody over the top 4WD TV shows to help them prevent tradgedies like this unfortunately.
A LC handbrake is just as good as any other handbake which is usually just adequate so leaving the car in 1st gear or park on an automatic is mandatory if you want to ensure the truck doesn't move.

[goingbush]

Disc handbrakes with mechanical caliper may have an issue, Handbrake applied when hot , disc and calipers contract as they cool down losing grip. Many EPB's work this way . As stated leaving an Auto in Park or a Manual in gear is also vital.

Also note, Issue with some electric cars eg Tesla , don't have a park pawl or a manual gearbox , and no engine compression in any case. ADR's don't specify a secondary park brake,

My EV has a disc park brake and I know for a fact I'd never lie down behind it. I'll make a point to carry a dedicated wheel chock.

[scarry]

I have a few Landcruiser owning friends who go bush with me.

Is there something that they should know be warned about?

They will listen to me now that I don't own a Land Rover.

There is an aftermarket kit that can be fitted to the 70 series handbrake.

Oh,and once the electric handbrake on the D4 faults for whatever reason,it won't work at all[bigsad]

Don't ask me how i know,and i had the van on at the time[bigsad][bigsad]

[justinc]

I never rely solely on a handbrake regardless of what car/truck/4WD i am using at the time and i never sleep downhill from ANY vehical either.
Lots of people are now venturing out into the bush which is fantastic But there is very little education or guidence available to these people other than those bloody over the top 4WD TV shows to help them prevent tradgedies like this unfortunately.
A LC handbrake is just as good as any other handbake which is usually just adequate so leaving the car in 1st gear or park on an automatic is mandatory if you want to ensure the truck doesn't move.

....especially the cruiser ones... even FESA have an internal bulletin for them;

Handbrake Improvement | Land Cruiser Club (https://www.landcruiserclub.net/community/threads/handbrake-improvement.142566/)

[trog]

I never rely solely on a handbrake regardless of what car/truck/4WD i am using at the time and i never sleep downhill from ANY vehical either.
Lots of people are now venturing out into the bush which is fantastic But there is very little education or guidence available to these people other than those bloody over the top 4WD TV shows to help them prevent tradgedies like this unfortunately.
A LC handbrake is just as good as any other handbake which is usually just adequate so leaving the car in 1st gear or park on an automatic is mandatory if you want to ensure the truck doesn't move.

Isn’t parking with the auto in park or a manual in gear plus the brake part of passing the drivers exam ? I recall that I even had to face the front wheels into the curb so that if there was a failure of any sort , the vehicle would likely snag up on the curb.

[trout1105]

Isn’t parking with the auto in park or a manual in gear plus the brake part of passing the drivers exam ? I recall that I even had to face the front wheels into the curb so that if there was a failure of any sort , the vehicle would likely snag up on the curb.

It was when I went for my license 47 years ago and I imagine it is still part of the test, At least I hope it is.

[V8Ian]

How can you do a handbrake u-turn, on the test, if the handbrake is ineffective?

[loanrangie]

Tragic that a young man lost his life because of a simple mistake that should be common sense to anyone that drives.

[rick130]

Just talking of the in gear and hand brake on thing, my old apprentice in Canberra had a really bad habit of only using the hand brake and leaving the ute in neutral.

I chipped him time and again, right up until the car started to roll away one day.

Being of a certain age and having cars without effective parking brakes (one Jeep only had the drum on the driveshaft, no guts. I left a brick under the driver's seat for hill parking. Luckily it had a 6.4:1 first gear.....) you realise that leaving a car in gear is the most effective way of stopping a car rolling away.

Another mate who's older than me had his Amarok roll out of his driveway and across the street and right through the neighbours garage.
The neighbours kids were usually playing in the driveway. Luckily they'd just gone inside that day.
Again, he never left any car in gear, he'd been taught not too??
WTF?

[trout1105]

Finding some level ground when parking off road is also a good habit to get into, That way even if the handbake isnt applied and the vehicle is out of gear it wont move.
If on the beach partially bogging the 4WD is also pretty good insurance against the truck moving off on its own.[thumbsupbig]

[austastar]

Hi,
Fighting fires on the slopes of Mt Wellington, we had to swap Toyotas as our pump was flooding, possibly a leaky carby float letting in too much petrol.
We really only wanted the parts to fix the problem in the field.
But no!
HQ don't want the vollies doing mechanical work.
So a shiny pantsed chap drives a new Toyota up the track to hand it over to us.
He parked it on the slope and as he walked over to our Toyota, his took off down the slope, mounted a fallen tree, airbourne it tumbled down the hill stopping on its side against a large tree.
Ooops!
Gearbox in neutral.
All we needed was a few $ worth of bits.
Cheers

[JDNSW]

A few years ago, at a camp in Qld, one of our blokes, being a conscientious sort, washed his Inter R190 after work one afternoon. About 0100, it seems that water worked its way into the electrics, and the starter operated. Since on that engine the starter solenoid bypasses the coil resistor (and, incidentally, the ignition switch), the engine fired up - that particular truck always started real easily. Having conscientiously left it in first gear, with the handbrake on, it started off - with the transmission handbrake hardly making an impact on first gear - and proceeded across the camp, fortunately without hitting anything, until the front wheels dropped over the bank of Comet Ck, and the added resistance was enough to stop further progress.

Leaving it in gear is not necessarily the best option in all cases! (In this case the ground was level)

[rangieman]

Leaving it in gear is not necessarily the best option in all cases! (In this case the ground was level)
x2

[rick130]

A few years ago, at a camp in Qld, one of our blokes, being a conscientious sort, washed his Inter R190 after work one afternoon. About 0100, it seems that water worked its way into the electrics, and the starter operated. Since on that engine the starter solenoid bypasses the coil resistor (and, incidentally, the ignition switch), the engine fired up - that particular truck always started real easily. Having conscientiously left it in first gear, with the handbrake on, it started off - with the transmission handbrake hardly making an impact on first gear - and proceeded across the camp, fortunately without hitting anything, until the front wheels dropped over the bank of Comet Ck, and the added resistance was enough to stop further progress.

Leaving it in gear is not necessarily the best option in all cases! (In this case the ground was level)

Yep, that's where the ex-FIL and I came to logger heads on the farm, but he took it to the extreme and wouldn't leave the tractors or trucks in the shed in case mice chewed and shorted something, so everything just deteriorated out in the weather. [bigsad]

[p38arover]

Another mate who's older than me had his Amarok roll out of his driveway and across the street and right through the neighbours garage.

Back in the mid-Sixties, a neighbour from across the road knocked on our door to tell us my '38 Vauxhall was in their driveway. No damage to it or the neighbour's property. That taught me that hand brakes aren't infallible.

[weeds]

I only select a gear when not on level ground...otherwise just handbrake

Just handbrake is a hangover from my previous employer....it what they wanted.

My old defer has roll across the work carpark and kiss another car.

[Ancient Mariner]

Failsafe? [bighmmm]

[LRJim]

Failsafe? [bighmmm]Nice really good idea, but dosnt it defeat the purpose of the transmission brake? Or is the pin like a secondary brake also?
Cheers Jim

[goingbush]

Failsafe? [bighmmm]

Now you've got me interested , I also have Disc x Brake on my E- landy and i'm working on a different sort of failsafe, as Leaving it in gear does nothing with an electric motor.

Ive even made a notched disc to mount on my PTO , the idea being to have a locking pawl engage with it

Do you have any closer images on your locking pin mechanism ?

my effort so far, (below) but I like your idea better.

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44134983_1911297625618685_2086429012850114560_o.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=cb18ac099325fbc5c1c3b16df3e16f69&oe=5CC9192F

[Vern]

X brake are horrible, the locking pin is a great idea. Have had 2 separate x brake incidents where they haven't held, and both on mild gradients, and both in different vehicles.

[loanrangie]

Back in the mid-Sixties, a neighbour from across the road knocked on our door to tell us my '38 Vauxhall was in their driveway. No damage to it or the neighbour's property. That taught me that hand brakes aren't infallible.

I had to knock on my neighbours door to inform them that their toyota crapadore had rolled out of their carport in a large arc and into the back of my 85 RRC, missed my VFR750 by about 12". Rangie had a cracked tail light lens but lexcen had $3500 worth of damage thanks to my ARB rear bar [bigrolf].

[JDNSW]

Nothing to do with how well the handbrake held, but years ago my next door neighbour arrived home from work, got out of his Alfa, slammed the door, and watched open mouthed as it ran down the driveway backwards, across the road, mounted the kerb, through a pling fence, and came to rest when the back wheels dropped over the edge of over-the-road's swimming pool. The Alfa was more than somewhat the worse for wear. (Obviously, he didn't either apply the handbrake or put it in gear!)

[goingbush]

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[ATH]

Not applying the hand brake is all part of the lazy driving habits of many. I've seen 3 incidents at boat ramps because of this and one had the boat/trailer still attached. Very funny.
Most dangerous was when driving along Canning Hwy towards Freo one day and a car just slowly drifted out of a driveway in front of me. Strangely enough the driver was adamant that he'd put the brake on ....just like they all reckon.
If it's part of the driving test that they show they know how to do it, it's just another bit they don't bother with as soon as they get a licence.
I do it every time I park, EPB on, car into neutral allowing car to rest on brake, then into P for park. Flat ground or sloped.
AlanH.

[JDNSW]

I don't know how common it is/was, but a mechanic relative of mine trained his wife and all his children not to use the handbrake, as, on the cars he regularly dealt with, these used a bowden cable to an under dash lever that invariably rusted and was prone to jam in the on position. Once a year, for roadworthy, he spent half a day getting the handbrake working reliably! While the reason probably disappeared when manufacturers started either covering the cable with nylon or lining the outer with nylon (also about when under dash handbrakes became less common) I suspect the habit probably continued long after there was any justification.

[trout1105]

I don't know how common it is/was, but a mechanic relative of mine trained his wife and all his children not to use the handbrake, as, on the cars he regularly dealt with, these used a bowden cable to an under dash lever that invariably rusted and was prone to jam in the on position. Once a year, for roadworthy, he spent half a day getting the handbrake working reliably! While the reason probably disappeared when manufacturers started either covering the cable with nylon or lining the outer with nylon (also about when under dash handbrakes became less common) I suspect the habit probably continued long after there was any justification.

What was wrong with simply lubricating the cable every service??
Teaching your family Not to use the handbrake just because you are too bone idle to service it is a Bloody stupid and downright dangerous idea:o

[roverrescue]

Knowing Noel a little (AncientMariner)
That won’t be no Chincy Pom X-Brake
That will be a one-off beautifully engineered
Custom engineered masterpiece!

Would be perfect for launch/retrieve big boats with electric winches

I had a 6x6 chunk of hardwood on a length of restraint rope tied to the tray
For lunch retrieve
Fender in neutral idling to keep Volts up to the boat winch
Handbrake on and block of wood chocking back wheel

S

[JDNSW]

What was wrong with simply lubricating the cable every service??
Teaching your family Not to use the handbrake just because you are too bone idle to service it is a Bloody stupid and downright dangerous idea:o

The only way to lubricate them was to completely disassemble the cable - there was no provision for lubrication. Probably take as long as the rest of the service since they were apparently not designed to be disassembled.

Lots of dubious practices were commonplace in the 1940s and 1950s into the sixties when society as a whole was far less well off than today, and safety standards a lot lower - as shown by the road toll! Also considerable hangover of makeshift practices from wartime shortages.

[ramblingboy42]

Back in the mid-Sixties, a neighbour from across the road knocked on our door to tell us my '38 Vauxhall was in their driveway. No damage to it or the neighbour's property. That taught me that hand brakes aren't infallible.

so Ron vauxhall all the way over to his neighbours house to get his car.

[V8Ian]

My Dad rarely used a handbrake. Back in his day, foundation brakes were single circuit hydraulic affairs and handbrakes were cable operating on the rear drums. His justification was that if the footbrake failed, he wasn't going to rely on a stretched cable to pull up.

[V8Ian]

How many people disengage the ratchet when applying the handbrake? It would be interesting to know how many run-aways were caused by worn ratchet failures.

[SBD4]

How many people disengage the ratchet when applying the handbrake? It would be interesting to know how many run-aways were caused by worn ratchet failures.
I do or, did when I had a car with a mechanical handbrake.

[trout1105]

Knowing Noel a little (AncientMariner)
That won’t be no Chincy Pom X-Brake
That will be a one-off beautifully engineered
Custom engineered masterpiece!

Would be perfect for launch/retrieve big boats with electric winches

I had a 6x6 chunk of hardwood on a length of restraint rope tied to the tray
For lunch retrieve
Fender in neutral idling to keep Volts up to the boat winch
Handbrake on and block of wood chocking back wheel

S

I put the tow vehicle into low range 4WD and select 1st gear/park and apply the handbrake then Drive the boat onto the trailer.
If you drive the boat onto the trailer the whole operation is fast and effortless especially If you use a boat latch to hold the boat in place[thumbsupbig]
With this method you spend considerably less time on the boat ramp and less time in the water/sand when doing a beach launch/retrieve

[ozscott]

I used to drive on all the time with my 21 foot glass boat on multi roller. Good vision helped. Its harder in my tinny on a basic slide and keel roller trailer. I'm working on that. Cheers

[weeds]

I put the tow vehicle into low range 4WD and select 1st gear/park and apply the handbrake then Drive the boat onto the trailer.
If you drive the boat onto the trailer the whole operation is fast and effortless especially If you use a boat latch to hold the boat in place[thumbsupbig]
With this method you spend considerably less time on the boat ramp and less time in the water/sand when doing a beach launch/retrieve

And keeps your toes away from the crocs

[ozscott]

I am building a side console that is tall enough to allow me to stand to drive which will make driving on so much easier. Cheers

[ATH]

'How many people disengage the ratchet when applying the handbrake? It would be interesting to know how many run-aways were caused by worn ratchet failures."
I did with every car until the D4. An old bloke I drove a cab for many years ago in the UK reckoned he'd had enough of hand brakes wearing out and asked all his drivers to push the button in before applying the brake.
Ever since I've done it and so did the Cook until stopping driving last year.
It's like many good driving habits and takes no time at all.
As a traffic sergeant said to me when I was a learner driver... "Driving well takes no more effort than driving badly". Pity a few more don't take that attitude to their daily madness.
AlanH.

[JDNSW]

Could be a factor! I got some very cross words from my father if he heard anything when I applied the handbrake while I was learning to drive. Had the effect that it has never occurred to me not to push the button/squeeze the lever when applying the brake. (All the cars I learned to drive on had a lever to be squeezed rather than a button. First button I came across was a Series 1 or maybe the VW, can't picture what it had)

Similarly, I was taught to regularly check that the handbrake was right off while driving - no brake warning lights on anything I drove until the late 1950s with my father's Simca, and I think the DSpeciale was the first car I owned with one.

[trout1105]

I used to have a lot of fun with the handbrake in my Moke Californian on the salt flats [bigwhistle]

[Fubar]

In the industry I work all vehicles must be left 'Fundementally Stable' when the driver leaves the controls. This means that when parked they will not move if neutral is selected and the handbrake released. Like a lot of other rules that must be followed in mining, this one came about due to fatalities.

Whilst it's not possible or practical to achieve at all times out in the wider world I do it where I can without thinking about.....especially when off tarmac.

[Ancient Mariner]

Now you've got me interested , I also have Disc x Brake on my E- landy and i'm working on a different sort of failsafe, as Leaving it in gear does nothing with an electric motor.

Ive even made a notched disc to mount on my PTO , the idea being to have a locking pawl engage with it

Do you have any closer images on your locking pin mechanism ?

my effort so far, (below) but I like your idea better.



https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44134983_1911297625618685_2086429012850114560_o.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=cb18ac099325fbc5c1c3b16df3e16f69&oe=5CC9192F

Best I can get GB
Noel

[goingbush]

Best I can get GB
Noel


Cheers thanks Noel

is the pin spring loaded so it drops into a hole if the brake slips ?

[Ancient Mariner]

I put the tow vehicle into low range 4WD and select 1st gear/park and apply the handbrake then Drive the boat onto the trailer.
If you drive the boat onto the trailer the whole operation is fast and effortless especially If you use a boat latch to hold the boat in place[thumbsupbig]
With this method you spend considerably less time on the boat ramp and less time in the water/sand when doing a beach launch/retrieve

Good luck with that

[trout1105]

Good luck with that

Some people just shouldn't be allowed to own a boat[bigwhistle]

[Ancient Mariner]

Knowing Noel a little (AncientMariner)
That won’t be no Chincy Pom X-Brake
That will be a one-off beautifully engineered
Custom engineered masterpiece!

Would be perfect for launch/retrieve big boats with electric winches

I had a 6x6 chunk of hardwood on a length of restraint rope tied to the tray
For lunch retrieve
Fender in neutral idling to keep Volts up to the boat winch
Handbrake on and block of wood chocking back wheel

S Thanks Steve sorry to disappoint but just a crappy xbrake tried a couple of mods ,bigger pad and longer lever :thumbsdown: Started on a 2 piston aluminium job but decided the hydraulic- electric winch project more worthwhile

Regards Noel

[d2dave]

Lots of dubious practices were commonplace in the 1940s and 1950s into the sixties when society as a whole was far less well off than today, and safety standards a lot lower - as shown by the road toll! Also considerable hangover of makeshift practices from wartime shortages.

I remember my dad would never leave the car in gear when parked in the street.
His reason was that if some one ran into the back of it the gearbox could be damaged.

I can't remember what he did when parked on a hill, whether his reasoning was for flat areas only, I'm not sure

[ozscott]

A vehicle will roll down a hill in the opposite gear - eg downhill slope parked in reverse if the handbrake fails. It is just that parked in gear takes some of the load off the handbrake.

Cheers

[DiscoMick]

I remember when a kid on the farm my father parked the old Army Jeep and walked off to round up cows.
He came back to find the Jeep had simply disappeared.
The tyre marks led down a slope, across a paddock, through a barbed wire fence and over a cliff. The orange Jeep was visible far below, where it remained, probably until now.
The handbrake had never worked, so either it jumped out of gear or he had forgotten to put it in gear.
We got a Land Rover after that, with a working handbrake.