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2nd Rower
29th January 2019, 07:03 AM
There's a slim chance, but I may look to upgrade to a MY13 4.4 TDV8, what if any thing should I be looking for on the car in terms of known areas of concern and work that should have been done. Its got about 100k km's on the clock.

Gregz
29th January 2019, 09:24 AM
Check that the front suspension has been fixed (ARC valve block update, or something, somebody will chime in with correct terminology)
Also on My13 note that it does not have the updated can-bus (has single instead of twin) , so for instance park assist and e-diff could not be spec'd at the same time.
Lots more info on fullfatrr.com

BobD
29th January 2019, 01:16 PM
The first major problem is that the front shocks leak oil and fill up the air bags with oil at very low km. Mine were buggered at 40,000km and should have been fixed by the previous owner under warranty. It is a known problem on Topix. Most fail at less than 20,000km if they have the bad shocks.

Apart from a very uncontrolled ride the car won't lower and keeps wanting to raise instead, due to the restriction on the suspension when lowering.

The second one is that the transfer case was not properly calibrated at the factory. This causes it to lock and unlock randomly and wrecks the oil. You need to change the oil twice and recalibrate it to fix the problem. Again, this is known on Topix with instructions on the symptoms and how to fix it. If the car has this problem it will thump and bang under acceleration when turning. In my case it was mainly turning right. Also happens after four wheel driving on a beach when you return to on road mode back on the bitumen.

This feels like there are teeth missing in the rear diff and there are a lot of bangs and thumps. It is not nice on a newly acquired expensive car. Mine was terrible the day after I bought it at 40,000km and again it should have been fixed under warranty. Very easy to fix if you know what it is! It didn't show up in my test drive, where everything was smooth and quiet. Others have said that it feels like a front diff problem.

Change the oil and recalibrate the transfer case and it is perfect again.

Graeme
29th January 2019, 05:04 PM
MY13 4.4s had the single secondary turbo drain pipe ex factory but it may have since been upgraded. Its expensive to have done out of warranty.

BobD
29th January 2019, 06:01 PM
Thanks Graeme. Mine also had that problem! Rovertech was given the job of fixing a slight coolant leak under the left side EGR under the used car warranty and fixed the turbo drain at the same time when they noticed excessive smoke from the exhaust. It also needed a multitude of software updates. So much for the local dealers servicing expertise. The car was serviced by them at the normal service intervals, governed by time in my case, due to the low mileage the car had done over the 4 years before I bought it.

2nd Rower
29th January 2019, 06:55 PM
Thanks all

Does the gearbox need a service/flush at any point?

Also I've been told they don't have service/log books per se, its all online via VIN - is this true and if so does anyone have the URL?

BobD
29th January 2019, 08:06 PM
It is the 8 speed ZF. My indie recommends a flush every 80,000km.

It runs cooler than the 6 speed in the D4 so probably the oil will last longer.

2nd Rower
30th January 2019, 04:20 PM
So I found the online service record, and this only shows the services up to 2016 June which is the last time a dealer serviced it, and about 30k kms short of current odometer reading.

I believe due to the sticker on the window an indie services it, but are independents allowed to update this online service record, and if not how would you check and maintain an ongoing service history?

Also the online history had no record of recalls or warranty work, should that be there or is that a check with dealer route?

rar110
30th January 2019, 04:22 PM
Previously Topix would show recalls outstanding and completed. Not sure if that’s still available.

BobD
30th January 2019, 05:51 PM
Topix shows everything is outstanding on mine even though the dealer carried the work in the Topix campaigns after I bought it. They reckon that they can't update it for some reason after I queried why it still had everything listed as outstanding on Topix! So much for an electronic record. Seems to work OK on my 2017 Disco Sport with the same dealer so they might have improved the system since the 2013 model.

The Indies can't update the service records so you need to get it off their computer. They should have all the records if you know who they are. Mine was only serviced by the dealer in question before I bought it and the auction house provided a piece of paper obtained from them showing when the services had been carried out.

In my case, there were no recalls to carry out and as I said, the dealer obviously doesn't bother to update the software at all, even on a 2013, which is the first year of that model and will no doubt have heaps of software to update as mine did. There are the things I mentioned in Topix that should have been fixed under warranty but only if the owner complains. They don't do a recall for these things!

2nd Rower
31st January 2019, 07:57 AM
If I'm understanding for MY 13 onwards that hasn't been completely dealer maintained; if the owner hasn't somehow meticulously kept some sort a paper record of services its a question of phoning around all the garages that serviced it to get a view of the full service history + extra work?! If that's the case that surprises me, and will make buying the L405 cars with confidence of full maintenance more onerous/difficult.

BobD
31st January 2019, 11:06 AM
There were probably only 2 services required after 2016 so not that hard!

The standard service interval is 24,000km or one year, if I remember correctly.

As you said, if you want to maintain a service history for your own resale purposes you will need to do it yourself and keep the service records. That seems to be the way the way the so called paperless world is going. You need to keep more paper! Soon you will only get an on line manual as well as with computer programs.

By the way it's not just the L405. It's all LR products and I expect most other brands as well.

SBD4
1st February 2019, 09:33 AM
Bear in mind that even if the car was dealer serviced, the service history may not be correct on topix. The service history for both of our cars is not correct in topix. It will always be the up to the seller to prove that the car was serviced correctly.

Bails
7th February 2019, 07:08 PM
MY13 4.4s had the single secondary turbo drain pipe ex factory but it may have since been upgraded. Its expensive to have done out of warranty.

I have a 2016 SVD8 and it isn't fixed. Now being done under the last few weeks of warranty. Seems this fix is only done on vehicles that fail, I do high miles so hence the issue coming to light.

Graeme
7th February 2019, 07:42 PM
I'm very surprised although perhaps LR have changed the design of the twin drain that I saw from the MY14 L405 having a new engine fitted. The drain from the destroyed engine was being fitted to the new engine. That drain was a different design twin pipe to the one fitted post-production to my 4.4 L322.
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This drain is obviously used yet the top outlet has an o-ring and is fixed to the block with a bolt whereas the retrofitted drain has a hose that slips over a short pipe that is threaded into a newly-tapped hole in the block.

Edit:
OK fault caused by oil getting into the turbo actuator and causing electrical issues and random faults.

Is this comment still valid? If so then not the lack of a twin drain as the secondary turbo is fixed so doesn't have an actuator so presumably referring to the primary turbo.

Bails
7th February 2019, 08:04 PM
I am not really certain about the changes, all I know is I had a 4 week wait for the new pipe, and they may get the car back together in a week. Seems exhaust manifold is removed to do the job. My car had oil leak to the actuator controller which caused faults to light up the dash. The big fault was a RED DPF warning. Anyway I hope to talk to the Tech at Tamworth when I collect the vehicle and find out more.

Graeme
7th February 2019, 08:06 PM
Do you know if the faulty pipe is on the left or the right side of the engine? Right side turbo is the primary.

Bails
8th February 2019, 06:12 AM
I thought both turbos are on the same side now? Thought RR had gone to the piggyback arrangement with high and low pressure turbos to reduce lag ? Don't really know if I am correct but this was assumption gained from where I don't know.

AlexRS4
24th June 2019, 05:49 PM
Reviving this thread.

Would the items above like shock replacement, turbo drain and gearbox oil change and recalibration normally show up on the LR online tool?

Looking at this VIN (it's since had a service at a Euro specialist) SALGA2JE5DA106213

orangepop
30th June 2019, 05:52 AM
MY13 4.4s had the single secondary turbo drain pipe ex factory but it may have since been upgraded. Its expensive to have done out of warranty.

What approx cost Graeme, I think I can still pay for the extended warranty .... but wondering if it’s worth the risk. On that note is it generally thought that you should take the extended warranty on an L405.

Graeme
30th June 2019, 08:12 AM
I don't know the cost but it's about an 8 hour job by an experienced person. An existing dummy hole in the side of the block has to be drilled and tapped after removing part of the front suspension and the diff to gain access to the area.

When agreeing to purchase my L322 from a large LR dealer, I asked that the job be included in the deal after presenting the salesman with the front page of the TSB. When I collected the vehicle the business owner made special mention of the amount of work involved, which I already knew but left it to them to discover when they read the whole TSB.

Graeme
30th June 2019, 09:51 PM
There's a thread on the fullfatrr.com forum where an L322 owner is entertaining the idea of doing this work himself. I've suggested that the later factory-fitted version of the dual drain might easily be fitted to the earlier engines with the addition of a simple bracket rather than having to drill and tap the sump, with the proviso that the L405's secondary turbo's drain attachment at the turbo is the same as the L322's, although the proviso probably doesn't apply to the L405 which likely has the same turbo up until the dual train was factory-fitted. For the L405 at least but possibly also for the L322, the task could be a DIY and hopefully without having to remove the front diff which implies the half-shafts etc, only the drive-shaft to the diff.

2nd Rower
1st July 2019, 08:52 AM
I assume this issue is now fixed from the factory and if so what MY did that come into effect?

Graeme
1st July 2019, 01:10 PM
The dual drain being transferred from a blown engine from a MY14 L405 to the new engine and turbos was factory-fitted - different to the retro-fitted drains and no drilling / tapping for the new engine (sump).