They're all jumping on the anti 4wd bandwagon.

[charliebrisbane]

At the very start of channel sevens All Saints this evening, (which my wife watches), a woman is brought in and it is explained that she was hit by a speeding 4wd. The Doctor then remarks "who the bloody hell needs a 4WD in the city anyway!"

This is blatant 4wd bashing with no basis in reality if the person was hit by a speeding van or sedan they would be in the same shape. God forbid they got hit by a speeding truck. The question isn't really whoe needs a 4wd in the city it's who wants one. It is all of our right own one and it is all of our responsibility to drive them responsibly considering their differing attributes compared to smaller (and larger) passenger vehicles.

This 4wd bashing bullsh!t is going too far. No wonder I dont watch soapy crap on TV. Soon we will not be able to fart in public because it might kill someone. (Knowing my diet it just might some day). The point is though 4wd owners have become known as redneck, roadhog, pr!cks who kill good honest citizens. Surely it's time for this crap to settle down and common sese prevail.

Rant over.

Charlie

[fernockulated]

also heard of the call to ban fourbys from beaches after toddler run down on noosa beach ,now if the law states that the same road rules apply to beach driving,what was that kid doing playing on the highway?
food for thought

(please note,no disparagement intended for the parents of said child) https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[barney]

i heard that in the background tonight while i was computering. i thought yeah great, here we go again.
i think you can write in and complain about the content of shows.
i might have a look and see what i can find

[Cruiser]

Just saw the same show here in Sydney but
at 9.15 Thought the same as you. Their realy
pushing the subniminal message.

PS. Is Brisbane on daylight saving time ?

[barney]

i just went on to sevens website and you can't put in a formal complaint by email.
in fact unless you want to tell them how much you like their website, you can't send an email at all.
i sent a whinge into their "good on you " email address, that should **** them off.

[Cruiser]

Sorry Charlie just noticed that it
was my computer that was on daylight
saving time . All fixed now. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[NOZ]

Originally posted by Cruiser
Just saw the same show here in Sydney but
at 9.15 Thought the same as you. Their realy
pushing the subniminal message.

PS. Is Brisbane on daylight saving time ?

We are never on daylight saving time :roll:

[charliebrisbane]

Yeh up here in the soon to be civilzed state too many of us thought that the whole idea of an extra hour of daylight would fade our curtains further. I personally would like the extra hour of daylight it would help our solar panels store more electicityin our bateries while we wait for state power to be available to our homes. :wink: Oh how I wish we had modern sewers in our little country town.

Charlie

[PhilipA]

Write to The Australian Broadcasting Authority.
They have to investigate every complaint.
I had a call back from the Professor in charge of it!!! ( so maybe they are looking for something to do)
Regard sPhilip A

[Quiggers]

first time i ever watched this piece of tv, obviously harold scruby is a scriptwriter, but i liked the hidden message.

who really needs a 4wd (inferred as in big bulky thing, like a Touareg or an ML or an X5) in the city? (LOL)

I was in Sydney a while back having come from far away and my Disco hadn't had a wash in ages, and there was this bloke trying to race me, in heavy traffic, in a bloody Cayenne, (btw it was very shiny).

get over it pal and go off road or give it away.

climbed over Boundary ck on Sun in high range! cool! (earlier, the local copper bogged his patrol).

GQ

[sclarke]

Next thing you know Fuel will go up....

[sclarke]

OMG




It just did... :roll:

[Jamo]

That's incredible!!

I didn't think anyone actually watched All Saints...

[sclarke]

Originally posted by Jamo
That's incredible!!

I didn't think anyone actually watched All Saints...


ROFL https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Steinzy]

Maybe if we all write in and complain they might ban the show - just like they banned the Coke ad with the guy on the bus.. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[barney]

speaking of mr scruby, this was his effort in my local rag today. the manly daily;-

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">Sell your 4WD or suffer: Scruby </span>

19apr06
OWNERS of four-wheel-drive vehicles should get rid of them before petrol prices spiral further, pedestrian advocate Harold Scruby says.



The Pedestrian Council of Australia chairman said it was &#96;&#96;great news'' that industry experts were predicting petrol prices could eventually hit $2 a litre.

&#96;&#96;Four-wheel-drives will drop in value by 50 per cent,'' Mr Scruby said. &#96;&#96;This is great news for everyone. I suggest to all people who own them to sell them now as they will not be worth anything in a few years' time.

&#96;&#96;People will not be able to afford to drive to work,'' Mr Scruby said.

&#96;&#96;It will be too expensive.

&#96;&#96;Hopefully this oil crisis will seriously push the Government into action ... (by) providing a decent public transport system.''

Mr Scruby said there should be more buses running on natural gas while companies should provide incentives for people who were not car-reliant.

&#96;&#96;We should be investing like there's no tomorrow in a really good public transport system.''

His comments came after Service Station Association chief executive officer Ron Bowden predicted petrol would increase to $1.45 a litre in the next few weeks.

With the climbing price of crude oil - which has moved to beyond $US70 a barrel - he said petrol would eventually reach $2 a litre.

&#96;&#96;You're living in a fool's paradise if you think you're just weathering a storm and everything will go back to normal,'' Mr Bowden said. &#96;&#96;It's going to continue to go up in the years ahead.

&#96;&#96;Two dollars a litre is quite possible. It's not that long ago that petrol was 70 a litre and now it's doubled. With a diminishing supply what's to stop it doubling again?"

NRMA president Alan Evans agreed prices could be expected to rise to more than $1.40 by Anzac Day. He predicted the $1.40 a litre mark would prove to be &#96;&#96;psychological barrier" for drivers of large cars.

Vic Karekin, manager of Beacon Hill Service Station, said the only way to keep petrol prices down was for government to turn its tax take into a subsidy.

[Steinzy]

8O 8O 8O

ouch - $2/L

:cry:

[FenianEel]

Stop quoting that tool squeezer, he gets off on it.

I don't think we have anything to worry about...doesn't hurt to be vigilant, but
I don't lose any sleep over it. They tried to ban cars once too. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I wouldn't complain to the broadcasting corp. either....wasting your time, besides, I'd rather have the stigma of being a Cityliving 4WD owner AND see 4WD's banned.....than admit I watch All Saints - or it was on in my house :twisted: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[George130]

:roll: :roll:
Yep good old 4by bashing its like the idea of speed limiting everything to 110kmh. Great for overtaking. Though it will slow the hoons on the freeway but not in the school zones. Bet you NT people would love this move.

[JDNSW]

A couple of nights ago there was another fatal head-on on the Newell Highway, this time near Gilgandra - involving a four wheel drive and a car. Apparently the car was on the wrong side of the road........ Almost certainly a fatigue accident (or drinking or both). Two in the car dead, seven in the four-wheel-drive in hospital. No other details to date. More ammunition against four wheel drives?

[YRVGreen]

Huh What the?
2 reasions,

1# selling your forwheel drive dosnt mean there is less 4wds on the road,... it just means some other lucky guy is driving it,
:roll:

2# My tdi 300 uses less fuel then any commo or falcon I have ever driven,.. and is twice the size,... On top of that, If I wanted to get chair happy the fender could get another 4 seats bolted in, making it a 9 seater, running less fuel then a 5 seater,..

[Steinzy]

Originally posted by JDNSW
A couple of nights ago there was another fatal head-on on the Newell Highway, this time near Gilgandra - involving a four wheel drive and a car. Apparently the car was on the wrong side of the road........ Almost certainly a fatigue accident (or drinking or both). Two in the car dead, seven in the four-wheel-drive in hospital. No other details to date. More ammunition against four wheel drives?

But the 7 in the 4x4 survived - isn't that a good thing

the result may have been far more fatal if the 7 occupants from the 4x4 were driving in a tarago van or simular 8O

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I must admit, I think the cost of fuel is going to keep on going up, as we are running out of oil https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

We are quite lucky... all our cars are very ecconomical, so in the short term we'll be fine.

However, on our desert trip we used around 1000 litres last June. At the moment that cost us around 1250 bucks. Not to bad. When we can't afford to do this type of trip our our 4wd days are through. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ My threshold is pretty high as I really value the experience for our family.

This is why I bought the most ecconomical for it's size 4wd I could. I've said it before, but if I get more than 10 years of trips I'll consider it bonus time. 8O :cry: :cry:

If there is a plus side, this will drive expenditure in alternatives. Oil is useful for lots of things, not just energy. I just hope we've got some left by the time we get nuclean fusion going. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ We have some barriers at the moment to this, but it's the only long term option I can see for sustainable energy (50+)

http://www.jet.efda.org/pages/content/fusion1.html

[JDNSW]

I got an email a few days ago from my brother in Houston (he works in the oil industry) who comments that the current surge in oil prices has already started to make biodiesel and ethanol economically viable.

[LoadedDisco]

We had this sort of thing happen before in the 70's and the price came down eventually.

[FenianEel]

Seeing this turned into a fuel price thread.......
Here's prices from March (before another huge rise).

In Belfast and London they were paying $2.26 for Diesel and $2.13 for petrol 8O

In Dublin $1.78 Diesel - $1.79 petrol 8O

USA 95c Diesel 82c petrol
:evil:

I've been watching 2 local servo's petrol price here - Wed before Easter was $1.15 - that afternoon $1.24, by Good Friday $1.39!! (This is 2k's from the city not Innamincka!) :evil: Then Tue back to $1.17 - today $1.24 - waankers

[crash]

If you listen closely you would have heard an ambo say the person was jay walking, I think this point would have been missed by most. But it is the blatant anti 4wd bashing that gets my goat.

There is a great article in this months 4WD monthly regarding 4wd with bull bars in the city. To summerise it says that to ban bullbars in the city for safety you should not be allowed to sell a 4wd in the country without one.
The author also theorises that because of the new "pedestrian friendly" car design that are designed to throw the pedestrian onto the bonnet of the vehicle in collisions at less than 15km/hr that this could lead to a fatal injury to occupants if hitting a roo at highway speeds.

[YRVGreen]

you could pay quad the price of fuel in England, and it would not matter,... cause you never have as far to go https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
We are so lucky to live in our sprallmart world out here,.. it just takes a hour to get where you want to go,

[abaddonxi]

Originally posted by barney

&#96;&#96;Four-wheel-drives will drop in value by 50 per cent,'' Mr Scruby said. &#96;&#96;This is great news for everyone. I suggest to all people who own them to sell them now as they will not be worth anything in a few years' time.



Sweet.

I'll be able to afford that TD5 D90.


Who's selling at half price?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Cheers
Simon
























Does that apply to new prices too?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[barney]

Originally posted by abaddonxi+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(abaddonxi)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-barney

&#96;&#96;Four-wheel-drives will drop in value by 50 per cent,'' Mr Scruby said. &#96;&#96;This is great news for everyone. I suggest to all people who own them to sell them now as they will not be worth anything in a few years' time.



Sweet.

I'll be able to afford that TD5 D90.


Who's selling at half price?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Cheers
Simon

so if scruby's maths are right, they drop by 50%. which, according to him equals nothing.
not real sure i can get my head round that. maybe someone should try to get his head around the front of a 4wd






















Does that apply to new prices too?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/[/b][/quote]

[JDNSW]

Originally posted by LoadedDisco
We had this sort of thing happen before in the 70's and the price came down eventually.

In the seventies the increase in oil prices resulted in a surge in exploration in areas not controlled by OPEC, with the discovery of substantial new reserves (including in Australia). The result of this was a reduction or at least limiting of prices.

It is possible that this could happen again, but it may not happen, at least in the short term, for several reasons:-

1. There is an acute shortage of trained and experienced exploration professionals due to years of low exploration and lay-offs - the average age of oil industry explorationists is 55, and Exxon, for example admitted a few days ago that they would probably be lucky to recruit 50% of the people they will need by 2015 to replace retirements.

2. There is much more of the world inaccessible to exploration than there was thirty years ago due to national parks etc., and the bits that are accessible are so tied up in red tape and have such high government take, (and sovereign risk) that the oil price has to be much higher to justify even looking.

3. The widespread, if somewhat unrealistic view, that we should stop using fossil fuels, means that investors are wary of investing in oil exploration without an even higher expected rate of return, especially on exploration projects that have a lot of technical risk or a long lead time. this applies to most new exploration projects, as the easy oil has been found.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Very intersting points there JD. I am clearly in the minority here in thinking that oil supply and price is going to become a big issue in the next 10 or so years.

I genuinely hope I'm very wrong 8O 8O

In the meantime I'm going to presume that motor transport will be changed forever in the next 10/15 years and enjoy myself accordingly! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[JDNSW]

Originally posted by Captain_Rightfoot
Very intersting points there JD. I am clearly in the minority here in thinking that oil supply and price is going to become a big issue in the next 10 or so years.

I genuinely hope I'm very wrong 8O 8O

In the meantime I'm going to presume that motor transport will be changed forever in the next 10/15 years and enjoy myself accordingly! :)

I don't know that I would say "changed forever" - but I don't think we will be seeing cheap fuel again. Prices are getting close to those that will enable biofuels to be used for example, and high enough to encourage more economical vehicles and more economical use of them, and reductions in use of oil from these factors will affect the increase in oilk price. Just as an example of the latter, in my case I could reduce my fuel consumption by around half by only picking up mail once a week and by only doing a shopping trip to town once a fortnight. In an urban setting, I am reminded of my son, who thinks nothing of making two or three trips to the supermarket after work. OK, each is only about three kms round trip, but you add them together....

A more noticeable effect of high fuel prices may well be general inflation as costs of transport increase, and possibly a tendency to move to rail transport for distribution - although transport costs only represent a small part of the cost of most goods (probably highest for basic foodstuffs, however).

By far the most effective way of reducing use of a resource is to increase the price of it, and this also tends to increase the availability, although only if the increase in price goes to the producer and they are allowed to keep it. (This is called the law of supply and demand.) What this means of course, is that we will never "run out of oil" - it will just get more and more expensive and less and less used. The problem is that it is difficult to either reduce consumption rapidly, or to increase supply rapidly, but is easy to increase demand rapidly (e.g. China) or decrease supply rapidly (e.g. a war in Iran or civil unrest in Nigeria)

[Disco_Drivin_Dude]

Originally posted by Captain_Rightfoot
I must admit, I think the cost of fuel is going to keep on going up, as we are running out of oil https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

We are quite lucky... all our cars are very ecconomical, so in the short term we'll be fine.

However, on our desert trip we used around 1000 litres last June. At the moment that cost us around 1250 bucks. Not to bad. When we can't afford to do this type of trip our our 4wd days are through. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ My threshold is pretty high as I really value the experience for our family.

This is why I bought the most ecconomical for it's size 4wd I could. I've said it before, but if I get more than 10 years of trips I'll consider it bonus time. 8O :cry: :cry:

If there is a plus side, this will drive expenditure in alternatives. Oil is useful for lots of things, not just energy. I just hope we've got some left by the time we get nuclean fusion going. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ We have some barriers at the moment to this, but it's the only long term option I can see for sustainable energy (50+)

http://www.jet.efda.org/pages/content/fusion1.html

Hemp is the world's most versatile fiber. Anything made from a hydrocarbon can be made from a carbohydrate. Almost any product that can be made from wood, cotton, or petroleum (including plastics) can be made from hemp.

Rudolf Diesel, invented the diesel engine with the expectation that it would use "bio-diesel" not fossil fuel. We can all thank DuPont petrochemical company, Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon (Dupont's major financial backer), and the newspaper man William Randolph Hearst for the eventual banning for the hemp industry and thus the bio-diesel industry, almost world wide for many decades.

Henry Ford built a car from plastics made of fiber from hemp and wheat straw. In a demonstration, Henry himself hit the boot of the car with an axe and he couldn't dint it. The car's body was made of a cellulose plastic formed from hemp and sisal (a Mexican and Central American plant).

Bio-diesel can be produced from hemp seed (and can boast a higher oil/seed yield than any of today's oilseed crops eg. soy, canola or safflower), and hemp is only a 120 day crop. How much/many bio-diesel (and when burnt is far cleaner than any other fossil fuel), houses, plastics (hemp plastic is biodegradable, synthetic plastic is not), car parts , rope, paint, carpet/mats, engine oil, cothing, wallets, furniture, nappies, hats, coffee filters, shoes, paper etc could be made from a totally renewable resource like hemp?

Goverments all over the world should be held accountable for the environmental rape that has been allowed to continue, in the name of oil/gas/raw ore extraction. Why the hell are we still using million year resource like oil and raw ores, and not a totally renewable 120 day resource like hemp?

It's time goverments REALLY got behind fossil-fuel alternatives (and not just the kind of alternatives that you put in your fuel tank). Not just the 5% effort the are putting in, just to make the papers to give the impression that they are doing the right thing (much like a Land Cruiser Ad campaign really).

"I know from experience that many of the raw materials of industry, which are today stripped from the forests and mines, can be obtained from annual crops grown on the farms. . . . The best possible working plan for any man in our civilization is to have one foot in the soil and the other in industry." Quote: Henry Ford It was a part of his vision to "grow automobiles from the soil."

By no means am I a tree huggin' hippie, but we all know that, to continue to use fossil fuels and mine ores including uranium, is completely and utterly ludicrous!

Anyways thats my rant!

[Steinzy]

Very Interesting

Thanks for the good read :wink:

[FenianEel]

Could you get arrested or ripped if you car is smoking?

[Steinzy]

Originally posted by FenianEel
Could you get arrested or ripped if you car is smoking?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/