Defender TD5 inexpensive mods

[Ruslan]

Couldn't find how to upload pictures into the gallery here, may be not allowed to? If I can do it, please guys tell me how.

Anyway, have something to share what i've done. Your opinion much appreciated https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

1. Air system. Had ARB compressor for year and half, decided to make air tank to get boost. Went to local multi metals workshop, got 850 mm long 7 mm thick piece of proper gaz pipe (tested at 300 psi written on body) for $27.00. Another shooping after air bits and joins - $24.60. ARB compressor has cut point at 90 psi on top and 60 psi bottom. Pumping 4 tyres from 18 psi to 40 psi takes about 5 minutes, might be less. But noticable less that without tank. Mounted under rear sits.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/66.jpg

2. Exhaust replacement pipe. Local Exhaust Specialist workshop for $55.00. No more twitches on low speed high gear, just goes on idle revs. Nose inside the car reduced from 64db to 61db, very noticeably. Sound little bit of bass.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/534.jpg

3. Dash plate. Once again multi metal workshop, 3 mm black steel + several bending for $25. Does job very well.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/67.jpg


4. Cargo area custom made shelf. Made it just before long trip, was found very useful. Old cargo barrier, several cuts, welded metal stripe along, 3 mounting point in front and 2 hooks left and right sides. All bed-clothes, tent etc. kept there. Cost several dollars for bolts and nuts.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/10/189.jpg

Have some ideas to do, keep you informed if you interested. All taken pictures could be found here (http://www.aulro.com/app/showgallery.php/ppuser/12521/cat/500)

Ruslan

[one_iota]

Welcome RS652,

Your photos can be hosted in the members gallery here (look for in the modules section on the left hand side of the screen).

If you have difficulty with that I can create an album for you. You can email them to me at eno_atoi@yahoo.com.au and we can take it from there.

Also read the FAQ section and the "sticky" in the general chat section in the Forums.

We await the photos https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[discowhite]

welcome,

where/who did your straight through exhaust??
i have a 90 and the main muffler hangs down ALOT and i would
really like to get rid of it!

cheers phil

[Mudnut]

I like the straight through exhaust. It is on the list for me to do. I also lile the shelf. Was trying to figure out where to store my freedom tent while driving. It's about a meter square, and 200mm high. Looks like an ideal spot to store it, and still fit in the 2 Golden Retrievers.
One mod I have done is the Range Rover Handbrake fitted to my Defender. It is the best thing that I have done to the viechicle. It took a couple of weeks to stop bending over to pull up the handbrake. It also makes it safer off road, as the hand brake can be used more often, and safely.

Keep up the great ideas!

Ken

[bluetongue]

Gday Ruslan

I'm very curious about the straight through exhaust... you said "no more twitches on low speed high gear, just goes on idle revs"... are you getting a much smoother transition from take-off into first then into second? I know alot of guys on the forum have talked about how easily the td5 stalls when taking off from standstill... mine all too much, it always feels like I'm overrevving it.... does this get rid of the problem?

BTW The other photos and ideas are great!

Scott

[LandyAndy]

Hi Ruslan
I like that straight thru pipe 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
I think I will add that to the must do list for BlackBetty.
I think that with a reduction in back pressure you are getting the turbo to spool up quicker,much needed in the TD5.
Well done.
Andrew

[dullbird]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>welcome,

where/who did your straight through exhaust??
i have a 90 and the main muffler hangs down ALOT and i would
really like to get rid of it!

cheers phil[/b][/quote]

phil i dojn't know if you know but QF the automotive specialists should if you ask them just make up what you want, ian took the disco there for a complete exhaust and they just made the exhaust there and then.........

the only thing is don't know if they do stainless

the QF place is opersite tr spares on the 6 i know you guys don't refer to roads as numbers but i can't remeber the name of it, it's just after the m5 junction heading towards stacey street..........

we have there phone number if you want it
ian was really happy with the job they done.

dullbird

[Ruslan]

Originally posted by one_iota
Your photos can be hosted in the members gallery here (look for in the modules section on the left hand side of the screen).

We await the photos https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
Thanks, Mahn, I have managed how to work with gallery now and some other photos already there (http://www.aulro.com//modules.php'set_albumName=Ruslans-110-Extreme&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php) https://www.aulro.com/afvb/


Originally posted by discowhite+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(discowhite)</div><div class='quotemain'>where/who did your straight through exhaust??[/b] Hi Phil,
I have done it here in Mount Gambier in local Exhaust Specialist workshop. I think you can find this kind workshops in your place too.
Unbolted muffle I keep in my shed, all as it was. If I decide one day to put it back just need to unbolt replacement pipe, 15 minutes job. Front 2 points flange from Commodore, just need to drill bigger holes (11.5 mm). Rear 3 points flange I made myself.

<!--QuoteBegin-bluetongue
I'm very curious about the straight through exhaust... you said "no more twitches on low speed high gear, just goes on idle revs"... are you getting a much smoother transition from take-off into first then into second? I know alot of guys on the forum have talked about how easily the td5 stalls when taking off from standstill... mine all too much, it always feels like I'm overrevving it.... does this get rid of the problem?[/quote]

Yes Scott, straight pipe helps to get rid this issue. On my Landy it does. 3'd gear ~700 rpm (idle) rides 20 km/h without touching an accelerator. Most roundabouts do on fourth gear, really! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Also I have unplugged wire from the clutch master cylinder and blank EGR pipe. Try, you'll be supprised :wink:

[Ruslan]

Originally posted by LandyAndy
I think that with a reduction in back pressure you are getting the turbo to spool up quicker,much needed in the TD5.

You are right Andrew, back pressure definitely reduced now. And noise too! My wife couldn't notice it, she expected sport style sound and said "you spent money for nothing". She doesn't drive my track and can't feel perfomance 8)

[spudboy]

Originally posted by RS652
Also I have unplugged wire from the clutch master cylinder and blank EGR pipe. Try, you'll be supprised :wink:

Tell me more about the wire to the clutch master cylinder! Does it link back to the ECU to help (or not) with takeoffs?

Also - where did you get the blanking plate for the EGR pipe done (or how did you do it). I've seen adverts from the UK advertising blanking kits, but never seen any here in Aust. How much difference did it make?

Thanks
David

[disco_ute]

The ERG Valve thing was talked about a while ago on Outer Limits

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/...pic.php't=70155 (http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php't=70155)

outcome was no gain

Mick

[Ruslan]

Originally posted by spudboy
Tell me more about the wire to the clutch master cylinder! Does it link back to the ECU to help (or not) with takeoffs?
Here is a picture. I took of plastick cover to take a photo. Usually it's covered.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/51.jpg

The clutch pedal switch is located on the clutch master cylinder and is activated when the clutch pedal is operated. The ECM uses the signal from the clutch pedal switch to provide surge damping during gear change. Surge damping stops engine speed rising dramatically (engine flaring) during gear change. Surge damping assists driveability as follows:
- Smoother gear change.
- Greater exhaust gas emission control.
- Improved fuel consumption.

What I achieved: fuel consumption about the same; it feels a bit punchier at lower revs. Bad quality diesel gives more black (purple-black) smoke when engine under load, for example accelerating up sand hill.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Also - where did you get the blanking plate for the EGR pipe done (or how did you do it). I've seen adverts from the UK advertising blanking kits, but never seen any here in Aust. How much difference did it make?[/b][/quote]
OK, another photo. Red arrow shows steel plate between.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/11/48.jpg


I cut a blank of 1mm steel plate, drilled the bolt holes through and that's it. Yep, it did make a difference to performance a little bit. Like you have just changed air filter. More fresh air entering the engine. As I understand it, EGR reduces the emissions of nitrogen compounds in the exhaust gases by lowering the peak combustion temperatures.

Cheers,

Ruslan

[discowhite]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>phil i dojn't know if you know but QF the automotive specialists should if you ask them just make up what you want, ian took the disco there for a complete exhaust and they just made the exhaust there and then[/b][/quote]
thanks lou! i know of the QF guy. it depends on what sort of day he having
as to what he will do and charge.
i'll just do it myself at a later date. although he is good for blue slips!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>mickrangie Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject:
The ERG Valve thing was talked about a while ago on Outer Limits
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/...pic.php't=70155 (http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php't=70155)
outcome was no gain [/b][/quote]
i cant honestly see how doing this mod WOULD NOT make some improvement???? the idea of recycling exhaust gasses into the intake is
NOT a good idea.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Here is a picture. I took of plastick cover to take a photo. Usually it's covered.



The clutch pedal switch is located on the clutch master cylinder and is activated when the clutch pedal is operated. The ECM uses the signal from the clutch pedal switch to provide surge damping during gear change. Surge damping stops engine speed rising dramatically (engine flaring) during gear change. Surge damping assists driveability as follows:
- Smoother gear change.
- Greater exhaust gas emission control.
- Improved fuel consumption.

What I achieved: fuel consumption about the same; it feels a bit punchier at lower revs. Bad quality diesel gives more black (purple-black) smoke when engine under load, for example accelerating up sand hill. [/b][/quote]

zook told me to try this. honestly i couldnt tell the differance??? but i do have a 90 thats not as heavy as a 110. so that could be the differance??

cheers phil

[disco_ute]

Blocking the ERG valve makes no difference at all, I have tried it! The only benefit would be less crap being put back in to yr oil and that’s a good thing but no performance gain.... If any one is getting there TD5 dynoed PLS do a run with it unplugged and then plug it in and do another run….

Mick

[Ruslan]

Originally posted by discowhite
i cant honestly see how doing this mod WOULD NOT make some improvement???? the idea of recycling exhaust gasses into the intake is NOT a good idea.
I would say this is a not real time improvement mod. Might be investment mod? Clear food and longer life.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>zook told me to try this. honestly i couldnt tell the differance??? but i do have a 90 thats not as heavy as a 110. so that could be the differance??[/b][/quote]
Load 500 kg of cement behind sits and try :wink:

Ruslan

[Martin]

RS652 - Great stuff and very interesting. I was contemplating fitting a tank, as I do loads of sand work. Now I can see where to fit it! But the difficult thing is that I am not handy, and that looks like it needs some welding and general handiness.

When you say the ARB compressor cuts out at 90psi top and 60psi bottom, what does this mean? Is it a range of cut of points? i would have though 90psi in the tank would have been a great jelp in cutting down tyre inflation times.

Great job, and thanks for sharing the pictures...

Martin

[Ruslan]

Originally posted by Martin
...
Hi Martin,
The air pressure switch in my air system cuts off power at 90psi, so i can't get more. If pressure reduces to 60psi and lower air compressor starts working. Went to local ARB shop, they have switches 80-100psi and guys said my should be the same, but it's not. Not a problem, I'm happy with 90 on top at the moment.

Yes, some welding required. My friend does it for me some times. That was about 15 minutes job and one sixpack after all https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Why I went with custom made tank because it fits under rear sits. Other way you can use old 9 liters fire extinguisher and fit it under rear arch just on top of exhaust resonator. Not bigger then 9L for ARB compressor. I think 8-9L is critical for ARB compr.

Cheers,

Ruslan

[bluetongue]

Thanks for all the explanation and pictures Ruslan...

Well, I popped into the QF place today... showed them the piccie of the straight-thru pipe and I can now know what Phil was talking about... I guess working on a Monday after a easter long w/e and in the middle of everyone elses long anzac w/e doesn't agree with those guys (...actually to be honest only one of the guys was a bit difficult, there was another guy there who was more than helpful). 8)

Anyway, they told me if we remove the muffler it'll create more noise and it's actually illegal here in good of NSofW... I'm no muffler expert so that was pretty much it for me :roll:

Cheers
Scott

[Ruslan]

Originally posted by bluetongue
Anyway, they told me if we remove the muffler it'll create more noise and it's actually illegal here in good of NSofW... I'm no muffler expert so that was pretty much it for me :roll:

Hey, Scott, it doesn't make more noise, even less. I did several measurements using proper "noise meter" device: outside and inside car in my shed, out/in on backyard (read open air), out/in during driving ~50km/h. Every time it displayed lower level of noise. Average reduction is about 2db. Again it is not a sport exaust style, I still have resonator at the end of exaust system which makes bigger difference in sound. I would say it will be illegal to replace end of exaust pipe with 4", 5",.. appendix like most P-plate drivers do in my area. Even mate who welded this pipe for me was really suprised - NOT LOUDLY.

Come to my place and I give you a demonstration https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Cheers,

Ruslan

P.S. After installing straight pipe I did some soundprofing: sticky cover under the bonnet and ceiling. Total noise reduction 6db. Now I can listen to the radio and talk to rear passengers on high revs https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[bluetongue]

No worries Ruslan... there is no doubt for me you've got the noise down. After all, you've done it and proven it. The guy in the muffler place kept saying "...yeah we get discos in here all the time..." no matter how many times I said I had a defender. At least the other guy came out and looked underneath for himself. They cack my crack those guys :wink:
Thanks for the further info... Scott

[discowhite]

hey bluetongue,
if you are driving around seton road morebank, there is a good
muffler shop there. called liverpool exhaust. ive seen some of there jobs
and they should do anything.

http://www.liverpoolexhaust.com.au/livoexh/

cheers phil.

[bluetongue]

Thanks Phil... I'll drop in there over next few weeks.

I just noticed in another forum... Noddy said "... A straight thru exhaust is a better option to overcome this lag problem...". Link is below...

http://www.aulro.com/modules.php?name=Foru...xhaust+defender (http://www.aulro.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10865&highlight=sports+exhaust+defender)

One thing the QF guys said that would definately help with more power, fuel efficiency etc was to put a sports exhaust system in... I've never thought about mainly I guess because no-one on the forum has talked about it... to get these gains it always seems to be ECU upgrade, intercooler and now of course the straight-thru pipe and blanking up the EGR pipe.

Does anyone know of any reason why to not whack a sports exhaust system into a 2000 td5 defender? Maybe 50-100 bucks for a straight-thru pipe Vs 500-600 bucks for a sports exhaust??? That was the first thing that came to my mind :?

Oh well, back to work tomorrow...

Scott

[discowhite]

ide go the straight through pipe first!
the exhaust system in the disco/fender is already 2 1/2'', plenty big
enough and its mandrel bent.
the cheaper option would give you the the same effect as the ''sports''
system.

phil