What the hell ARE the words to our National Anthem

[drivesafe]

I was just watching a debate on Channel 9 and one of the questions was, what are the words in the first line of the second verse of the National Anthem.

Suppress, surprise, only one person on the panel knew, Amanda “Gallstone”.

I personally couldn’t give a stuff, I think this piece of crap has absolutely no connection to the reality of Australia and the song was originally nothing more than the results of a campaign by a hand full of champagne sipping ******* that thought they were better than anybody else and as the song shows, they haven’t got a clew about reality.

Any views folks

[Maggot4x4]

I like the second verse much more than the first

<span style="color:red">"Beneath our radiant southern cross we'll toil with hearts and hands

To make this commonwealth of ours renowned through all the land

With those that come across the seas we've boundless plains to share

In history's page let every stage advance Australia fair"</span>

I have to disagree with you on this one

[crump]

I thought it went,


"Australians all let us rejoice for we are young and dah dah umm er dah dah errr mmmm dahh err dahh fair, dahh ummerr free, historys dahh mmmmm dah Advance Australia Fair."

Well thats the Olympic Athletes version, anyway. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[drivesafe]

Originally posted by crump
I thought it went,


"Australians all let us rejoice for we are young and dah dah umm er dah dah errr mmmm dahh err dahh fair, dahh ummerr free, historys dahh mmmmm dah Advance Australia Fair."

Well thats the Olympic Athletes version, anyway. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/


My point exactly.

If everybody likes the crap so much, why doesn’t anybody know the words.

Now I’m as patriotic as the next Australian, but this song just does not represent the Australia I know.

[rangieman]

i only learnt god save the queen when i went to school how sad is that but i spose might be the cause of me driving rover and having a pommy wife

please excuse me for my faults in life but i blame the education department for all my flaws in life https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Steinzy]

The anthem and the australian flad have somthing in common then.

Only one...



Come on... Guess




The foundations on which this country was formed



But that's it 8O

[crump]

Yep. the anthem should be something more representative of the Australia we all know and love, something that unites us all as one country, one voice, something that stirs the soul and brings a tear to the eye, Yep, you all know what that song is dont you??

Shannon Knowles version of WORKING CLASS MAN. :twisted:

[Steinzy]

Originally posted by crump
Yep. the anthem should be something more representative of the Australia we all know and love, something that unites us all as one country, one voice, something that stirs the soul and brings a tear to the eye, Yep, you all know what that song is dont you??

Shannon Knowles version of WORKING CLASS MAN. :twisted:

those noises in your head are becoming disturbing if they are singing Shannon Knowel 8O

[crump]

Well it was that or something from Rolf Harris.

[disco95]

Yeah, I can just see our athletes on the dias, singing "Tie 'me kangaroo down" https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[p38arover]

I don't know the words to nor do I like our National Anthem. Like many anthems, it is a dirge.

The flag I like.

Ron

[incisor]

Originally posted by disco95
Yeah, I can just see our athletes on the dias, singing "Tie 'me kangaroo down" https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
tie that jana girl down sport, tie that jana girl down ...

[drivesafe]

Originally posted by disco95
Yeah, I can just see our athletes on the dias, singing "Tie 'me kangaroo down" https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/


And I bet they would know the words too :wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[drivesafe]

Originally posted by p38arover
I don't know the words to nor do I like our National Anthem. Like many anthems, it is a dirge.

The flag I like.

Ron

My sentiments exactly, Ron

[Redback]

Sorry have to disagree on the flag, as long as the Union Jack is in the corner, it will never be a truely Australian flag.

Remember we are not all from English backgrounds.

Baz.

[p38arover]

Originally posted by Redback
Sorry have to disagree on the flag, as long as the Union Jack is in the corner, it will never be a truely Australian flag.

Remember we are not all from English backgrounds.

The Union Jack is NOT the English flag so it doesn't symbolise the English - too many people think that.

I like it because it shows the heritage of those in the First Fleet - people from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

I don't like the Aboriginal flag and would hate to see it as our flag - it would be devisive.

And the Eureka flag is worn by too many bikies.

Have you seen the Hawaiian State flag? Look at the top left corner.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Ron

[Redback]

Originally posted by p38arover+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Redback
Sorry have to disagree on the flag, as long as the Union Jack is in the corner, it will never be a truely Australian flag.

Remember we are not all from English backgrounds.

The Union Jack is NOT the English flag so it doesn't symbolise the English - too many people think that.

I like it because it shows the heritage of those in the First Fleet - people from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

I don't like the Aboriginal flag and would hate to see it as our flag - it would be devisive.

And the Eureka flag is worn by too many bikies.

Have you seen the Hawaiian State flag? Look at the top left corner.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Ron[/b][/quote]

What about the other nationalities here as well.

I don't like the Aboriginal flag either

The Eureka is our first flag and a flag in which we first fought under and where good men died for the rights of other men.

The Hawaiian flag is a state flag not a national flag.

[drivesafe]

Hi Baz, I was wondering how long it would be before you popped up, after the flag was mentioned.

Sorry Baz but I am still with Ron when it comes to the flag.

The biggest problem with the Southern Cross is that it is now used and abused by both the unions and the labour party.

Use by the unions I can tolerate, but not where the labour party is concerned, as this has politicised it, which has removed it’s original identity. It now lacks any real credibility thanks to the political use.

[drivesafe]

BTW, Canada replaced it’s flag in an attempt to appease the French ****e in Canada, because it had the Union Jack on it.

It didn’t work and there is no reason to think changing the flag here would be of any benefit to anybody and as far FAR more Australians have fought and died under the present flag, it stands to reason that this IS our flag.

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">NOW BACK TO THE ****E SONG.</span>

[p38arover]

Originally posted by Redback+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Redback)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-p38arover
Have you seen the Hawaiian State flag? Look at the top left corner.

http://www.netstate.com/states/images/hi.gif

Ron

What about the other nationalities here as well.

I don't like the Aboriginal flag either

The Eureka is our first flag and a flag in which we first fought under and where good men died for the rights of other men.

The Hawaiian flag is a state flag not a national flag.[/b][/quote]

I did say the Hawaiian flag was a State flag but it still displays the Union Jack even though Hawaii is a State of the USA and there are historical reasons for that.

I also said that the Union Jack in our flag represents (in my eyes) those in the First Fleet. I don't think we have to change our flag to represent all those who came later.

I also agree with Tim in that the Eureka flag often represents Unions and the Labor Party - neither of which I am fond.

Ron

[p38arover]

Originally posted by drivesafe
<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">NOW BACK TO THE Sh*t SONG.</span>

I reckon the old "Light up a Viscount, a Viscount, the best of them all" was a better anthem. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

You young'uns won't know that one.

Ron (a passionate - no, make that a total and absolute anti-smoker)

[Steinzy]

Do you think by changing the Flag or national anthem that it would change you or your beliefs or who you are??

Or are we just wanting something to winge about and don't really care what the flag is or who knows more words of the anthem then someone else :?

[drivesafe]

Steinzy, the flag has been here since federation and now has a very important history.

That song, as a National Anthem, is something new and as stated above, is a joke and means nothing.

[Steinzy]

Sorry I was just having fun stirring you up https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[rangieman]

ouch thats gotta hurt ! 8O

[barney]

here's the whole box and dice. knock yourself out







Advance Australia Fair

Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in Nature’s gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history’s page, let every stage
Advance Australia fair!
In joyful strains then let us sing,
“Advance Australia fair!”

When gallant Cook from Albion sail’d,
To trace wide oceans o’er,
True British courage bore him on,
Till he landed on our shore.
Then here he raised Old England’s flag,
The standard of the brave;
With all her faults we love her still,
Brittannia rules the wave!
In joyful strains then let us sing
“Advance Australia fair!”

Beneath our radiant southern Cross,
We’ll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who’ve come across the seas
We’ve boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To advance Australia fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing
“Advance Australia fair!”

While other nations of the globe
Behold us from afar,
We’ll rise to high renown and shine
Like our glorious southern star;
From England, Scotia, Erin’s Isle,
Who come our lot to share,
Let all combine with heart and hand
To advance Australia fair!
In joyful strains then let us sing
“Advance Australia fair!”

Shou’d foreign foe e’er sight our coast,
Or dare a foot to land,
We’ll rouse to arms like sires of yore
To guard our native strand;
Brittannia then shall surely know,
Beyond wide ocean’s roll,
Her sons in fair Australia’s land
Still keep a British soul.
In joyful strains the let us sing
“Advance Australia fair!”


should see the lyrics to "god save the queen", the last verse goes on about killing scotsmen!

[numpty]

And I thuoght the first line was__"Australians all like ostriches"
Something like that anyway.

[barney]

there's a great version of the national anthem by "the sensitive new-age cowpersons" that resembles the 'athletes" version previously posted.


australians all let us rejoice for we are young and free
daa dum dum dum de dah dedum (mumbled)
our home is girt by sea
dah da dum ...and something else (mumbled)
with beauty rich and rare
de dum de dum dah dum de dum advance australia fair
with lots of things and fencing wire
advance australia fair

[FenianEel]

I don't think my thoughts on this are any great surprise https://www.aulro.com/afvb/


Originally posted by p38arover

The Union Jack is NOT the English flag so it doesn't symbolise the English - too many people think that. <span style="color:red">Hmmm, how come they fly the thing everywhere and have it at sporting events (e.g. Cricket) that only involve England</span>

I like it because it shows the heritage of those in the First Fleet - people from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.



Originally posted by p38arover
I also said that the Union Jack in our flag represents (in my eyes) those in the First Fleet. I don't think we have to change our flag to represent all those who came later.

MMMM :evil: I'm pretty sure most of the "Celts" on board those rat rafts were not represented by "that" flag. Many were there because of their defiance of it.
Australia had an Aboriginal population eons ago, we have had a LARGE Chinese population since the 1850's, 40% of the population is from Irish Descent. - NONE of these are represented by that thing in the corner, nor did they come later.
Nor is there any such thing as the U.K.
It has NEVER been a united kingdom. And Ireland has NEVER been part of it. Under force of arms the Brits perpetuated this myth. A kingdom isn't united by death, slavery, destruction, or eradication of a different culture.


Originally posted by drivesafe
far FAR more Australians have fought and died under the present flag, it stands to reason that this IS our flag.

They died under a different anthem. What happened to that! 8O
Most died under the Union Jack, particularly in WW1. The majority of the time the Aussie flag wasn't even allowed to be flown, especially when that other thing was present. In WW11, when Singapore was retaken, and when Changi was "freed", an Australian flag was flown, only to be taken down and the Jack put up.

RIGHT -On to the anthem, I like it, know the original 2 verses, but think it doesnt do the country justice, nor is it a stirring number.

Jokingly, Waltzing Matilda is truly representative.
A tune ripped off from the Scots, written by a drunk - about a thief who necks himself!!! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I like God defend New Zealand (but that's not representative of others either)
I like the French "La Marseillaise"
I detest "God Save the Queen" :twisted: Not just 'cause I detest royalty etc.., but it doesn't say jack squat about the people. country or anything else.

Of course I love "Amhán na bhFiann" (A Soldiers Song), the Irish National Anthem....it says something, and it is stirring

National symbols are supposed to inspire patriotism and unity. Australians are patriotic, but our national symbols do not promote Unity.

That's enough political shiite from me :roll:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by FenianEel
I don't think my thoughts on this are any great surprise https://www.aulro.com/afvb/



MMMM :evil: I'm pretty sure most of the "Celts" on board those rat rafts were not represented by "that" flag. Many were there because of their defiance of it.
Australia had an Aboriginal population eons ago, we have had a LARGE Chinese population since the 1850's, 40% of the population is from Irish Descent.


Thats well and good---
and enough for THE NEXT DAY or two--

[FenianEel]

Originally posted by barney
here's the whole box and dice. knock yourself out

The OFFICIAL Australian National Anthem has only TWO verses.

ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FAIR
Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We've golden soil and wealth for toil;
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history's page, let every stage
Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
We'll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.


All the COOK/Brittania dribble and other rubbish are not officially recognised. There is also much debate as to whether the other verses were in the version first written by Peter McCormick (a Scot) who wrote the original. There is also another supposed verse about Christ etc., that was not in the original.

[Steinzy]

Hmmm.....

Interesting

[barney]

seems as though we've struck a nerve here. you appear to feel pretty strongly about this flag thing.
now before you chuck another wobbly, i'm not saying you're wrong, alright?
in my opinion, the pommy flag in the corner of ours symbolises the the founding of our country in it's current form. the system by which our government runs and the ancestory of our (some of our) forefathers. it really doesn't bother me that it is there and for that reason i think our flag is fine the way it is. of course, this may not be ok for anyone whose ancestors were not directly associated with the settlement of this country by the poms and the subsequent establishment of a penal colony. for example, the chinese gold miners of the 1800's and the immigrants throughout the 20th century (yes i know there's more).
as for the inclusion of the aboriginal flag in the australian flag, i really don't mind either. lets face it, the aboriginals are a bigger part of australia than the poms will ever be. ive never really asked an aboriginal of their opinion, but they may not want their flag included, they may want hang on to their own identity the way it is.
as far as i'm concerned, the queen is just an old lady that pops over every now and then for a cup of tea, and waves to people. and it seems that a lot of people like that, because they wave back.
all she really does, is keep an eye on out government via the GG, and let's face it, apart from 11/11/75, there hasn't really been a lot to do.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

yea--
not bad barney https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[barney]

[quote=barney]here's the whole box and dice. knock yourself out

The OFFICIAL Australian National Anthem has only TWO verses.

it seems that 2 are to many. most people are lucky to remember one.
and you are right, the official australian national anthem has two verses.
but, Advance Australia Fair is a song which has five verses.
i'd be ****ed off if i wrote it, they chose it for a national anthem, then chopped three verses. what an insult.

[FenianEel]

Barney,

No dramas here mate. No offence taken and hopefully none given.
I may not agree with some peoples opinions, but like you and most of the people here, respect freedom of speech and opinion, and can generally accept them without violence https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ , or resorting to personal attacks.










You bunch of $)%)^^)* wkrs!! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
(just kidding folks) https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[barney]

no, that's ok. you just seemd a bit cranky and i didn't be antagonistic in an already heated discussion.
let's face it, this one comes up as one of those subjects to be avoided in polite conversation, like religion and politics.
and to that point, i would never presume to force my views on someone who votes for the obviously wrong party or relies on an imaginary friend to guide them through life and show them right from wrong.......

..i am now ducking for cover 8O

[barney]

now here's a politically incorrect song, pay particular attention to the last verse:-
first publicly performed in London, 1745


1. God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us;
God save the Queen!

2. O Lord our God arise,
Scatter her enemies
And make them fall;
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
God save us all!

3. Thy choicest gifts in store
On her be pleased to pour;
Long may she reign;
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the Queen!

4. Not in this land alone,
But be God's mercies known,
From shore to shore!
Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world over.

5. From every latent foe,
From the assassins blow,
God save the Queen!
O'er her thine arm extend,
For Britain's sake defend,
Our mother, prince, and friend,
God save the Queen!

6. Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King!

[barney]

a history lesson;-
Marshal Wade was in fact the British Field Marshal, George Wade. George was born in 1673, the son of Jerome Wade of Kilavally, Westmeath in Ireland and he entered the British Army in 1690.
In July 1724 General Wade was sent to Scotland on a military mission for George I. In the uncertainty following the 1689 and 1715 Jacobite Risings, he was tasked to 'inspect the present situation of the Highlanders' and to 'make strict inquiry into the last law for disarming the Highlanders'.
Wade reported back that the majority of Highland men able to bear arms were ready to do so against the Crown. George I immediately appointed Wade Commander-in-Chief, North Britain and he began to organise Crown garrisons in the Highlands.

Wade's plan was to mobilize his soldiers throughout the Highlands, quelling, disarming and forming allegiances with the clans as he went. To do this he needed to move his troops about quickly, and by the summer 1725 the first military road was being constructed.

In the course of this engineering work Wade had supervised the construction of no less than 240 miles of roads and 40 stone bridges. At the same time as the building work had progressed, slowly and with the tact and experience of a seasoned campaigner, he had disarmed the clans. By 1739 Wade's Highland militia had become the Black Watch, a regular regiment of the British Army which is commemorated by a memorial beside Wade's fine Tay Bridge.
Wade returned to England where George II made him Commander-in-Chief to England, and it was in this role that he had to deal with the Jacobite ‘Forty-Five’ rebellion. After failing to anticipate Charles Edward Stuart’s invading army arriving via Carlisle rather than Newcastle he retired in favour of Cumberland, or as the Highlanders would remember him ‘Butcher’ Cumberland. Charles Edward Stuart

And so perhaps understandably the Scots prefer to remember an earlier battle, one remembered in the words of Flower of Scotland, written by Roy Williamson of "The Corries", but that is another story …

O Flower of Scotland,
When will we see
Your like again,
That fought and died for,
Your wee bit Hill and Glen,
And stood against him,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.


sorry, that was a bit longer than i anticipated

[abaddonxi]

I don't like the Aboriginal flag and would hate to see it as our flag - it would be devisive.



I think the fire is getting the best of us.

Or is devisive some clever rampant, heraldic pun that I missed?[/quote]

No, I missed the fact that in my haste I should have spelled it divisive. :oops:

Ron

[drivesafe]

First off, we did not have a national anthem at the time of federation and God Save the Queen ( then King and back to Queen ) was just a carryover from British rule.

When we finally wanted our own anthem there was supposed to be a contest and a number of songs were then put forward.

None represented what this country was all about so the whole thing was a non event.

We still need an Australian National Anthem.

As for the flag being taken down or our troops not having our flag flown where they fought. Let some other country try that stunt today and see how far they would get.

We have a flag that was flown since federation that is OUR OWN flag.

If there are those that have a problem with Merry Old England, TAKE IT UP WITH THE POMES.

[Maggot4x4]

I must admit, I haven't liked the first verse since it changed from Australian Sons to Australians All. :roll: I can't stand being PC for PC's sake.

I can tell you it speaks way more to me than God save the Queen, unless of course it is the Sex Pistols version.

As for the flag, there have been too many people fight and die under it to change it.

[barney]

oh yeah, and another thing.................................
as we are approaching ANZAC day, let's not forget that that flag of ours was good enough for our,brothers, cousins, uncles, fathers and grandfathers to risk their lives for in all of our past international conflicts, be it war or police action or whatever you want to call it, because that flag represented their country.

[p38arover]

Hmmm, how come they fly the thing everywhere and have it at sporting events (e.g. Cricket) that only involve England

Haven't you noticed how often the English flag is also flown at rugby, et al when it is England playing, not the UK - ditto the Welsh flag and, of course, the Scottish flag at other events (dunno if they can play rugby).

But the Irish don't count...... :twisted:

Ron

[Outlaw]

Personally I like our flag... don't overly care one way or another if the union jack stays in the corner... i guess if we ever become a republic then that would probably go but the rest works for me https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

But i would hate to see the aboriginal flag incorporated... firstly they have only had there flag since '71 compared to 1901 for ours... and actually i won't go any further on this matter in a public forum :wink:

Now for the Anthem... don't like Waltzing Matilda... as has been said previously, it's about a thief who offs himself, what on earth has this got to do with Australia as a nation??? Present Bondi events excluded https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Our current Anthem isn't too bad with the lyrics but could maybe modernise it a touch.... like this for example :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: I LOVE THIS (7mb WMV file)
http://www.visioncentral.org/GCLRO/Austral...ionalAnthem.wmv (http://www.visioncentral.org/GCLRO/AustralianNationalAnthem.wmv)

[adm333]

Wouldn't the obvious choice be Khe Sanh by Cold Chisel

Then it would be EXPECTED that nobody knows the words

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[p38arover]

Originally posted by adm333
Wouldn't the obvious choice be Khe Sanh by Cold Chisel

Then it would be EXPECTED that nobody knows the words

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I resent that:

"And their legs were often open
But their minds were always closed
...."

Ron

[FenianEel]

Originally posted by Outlaw

Our current Anthem isn't too bad with the lyrics but could maybe modernise it a touch.... like this for example :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: I LOVE THIS (7mb WMV file)
http://www.visioncentral.org/GCLRO/Austral...ionalAnthem.wmv (http://www.visioncentral.org/GCLRO/AustralianNationalAnthem.wmv)

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Outlaw - love it
I remember seeing this last year and my wife and I were in hysterics!!!
Couldn't find it anywehere though cheers!! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[cewilson]

I resent that:

"And their legs were often open
But their minds were always closed
...."

Ron

Hear hear!!! :D

[Steinzy]

Originally posted by cewilson+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cewilson)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by p38arover@
<!--QuoteBegin-adm333
Wouldn't the obvious choice be Khe Sanh by Cold Chisel

Then it would be EXPECTED that nobody knows the words

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I resent that:

"And their legs were often open
But their minds were always closed
...."

Ron

Hear hear!!! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ :wink:[/b][/quote]

Don't encourage him https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[harry]

8) well, on the eve of one of the most important days of remberance to those that fought [and died] for Australia, mother England [read United Kingdom]and the Commonwealth, and for the good of all men in two world wars, i think we should forget the flag debate.
there is only one australian flag. it does not need to be changed.

as for the friggen dirge of a national anthem, personally i liked 'god save the queen'
not to hard to change to keep up with changes in family dynasties, just change 'queen' to 'king' when necessary.
and next time you hear the current aus anthem, try singing 'why was she born so beautiful' to the tune - it fits
'why was she born at all'

'girt by sea'

bloody hell, its surounded by water, we knew that.
how does that line convey something to the rest of the world that don't speak 'olde inglish'?
let alone the children of today, whose teachers only know the word 'cause its in the 'anthem'.

stick waltzing matilda too.
its crap.
he was probably a kiwi dole bludging sheep fief and he decked himself.
what sort of gallant country spirit was that?
probably too much rum.
bloody too weak to face the coppers and take the rap.
do the crime - do the time!

[p38arover]

Originally posted by harry
as for the friggen dirge of a national anthem, personally i liked 'god save the queen'

So do I.

When I lived on Norfolk Island in the 90s, they still used God Save The Queen as their anthem even though NFI is an External Territory of Australia. Dunno if they still do.

Ron

[harry]

8) i had a feeling 'david rabbitborough' would have had strong views on this subject, but he's probably too busy defending his 'squatters rights' and waving the eureka flag to give us his views.

and thats another thing
the eureka business - why follow that line of flag waving?
it was a flag for a rebel bunch.

although they probably did achieve justice in an overly oppressed society
'that of miners eaking out a miserly and miserable living' whilst being overly taxed by an over zealous beaurocracy.[spell-check ron]
but they still were law breakers and villians,
as are some of those that carry the flag now.
mind you, i loved the film.
on yer chips!

[one_iota]

So Rafferty (and Bikies and Unionists) rules:

http://www.aulro.com/albums/album26/IMG_0148.sized.jpg

I think that Chip might have thought about that.

Is a flag imposed or adopted?

The Eureka flag was designed by a Canadian.

Canada's flag does not have a Union Jack.

Canada shares some history maybe it wasn't penal.

[p38arover]

Originally posted by harry
.[spell-check ron]
eaking

beaurocracy

villians!

eking
bureaucracy
villains

Ron https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[harry]

8) tar ron.

[one_iota]

Originally posted by harry
8) tar ron.

Where are the feathers? :wink:

[p38arover]

Jeez, thanks fellas!

Ron

[one_iota]

Originally posted by p38arover
Jeez, thanks fellas!

Ron

It was getting far too serious...I was waiting for a religious cue...remember the massacre of the Hugenots...the Spanish Inquisition...Shakespeare was a Catholic in a Protestant country... 8O

[p38arover]

I was waiting for FenianEel to respond to my comment that the Irish didn't count. :0

Ron

[one_iota]

Originally posted by p38arover
I was waiting for FenianEel to respond to my comment that the Irish didn't count. :0

Ron

Weren't they (the Irish) part of the United Kingdom together with the Scots and the Welsh :wink:

Oh I forgot the Cornish :oops:

United by an ensign and an anthem. I think not :roll:

[fernockulated]

Originally posted by harry
8) i had a feeling 'david rabbitborough' would have had strong views on this subject, but he's probably too busy defending his 'squatters rights' and waving the eureka flag to give us his views.

:roll: WOW was that a baited hook or what https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
David is actually still picking his jaw up from the floor,he is totally gob smacked at all the sentiments boiling away 8O
David being David is totally all for the current flag ,and is still trying to figure out WHY they had to change the anthem ,other than to totally confuse and de-associate all aussies from the original culture,was probably some political ploy to detract from some storm in a D-cup,all this political correctness is really getting up his goat,the mailman is no longer ,he is now the post person,only to be re named again as the postal deliver technician,due to person having son in it which is gender specific,I mean what do they call it when the army go on maneuvres(spell check ron!) personeuvres??? 8O :? when will it all end??????



oh,and please dont call out Mr Rabbitboro too loudly ,he may come back out of the cupboard 8O :roll: :wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[VladTepes]

OK well I haven;t bothered reading 4 1/2 pages of this thread but my 2 cents worth:

Any song that uses the word girt is crap.


Has anyone seen the Comedian Adam Hills' version.

He sings AAF to the tune of Jimmy Barnes' "Working Class Man".

It's <span style="color:orange">GOLD </span>:!:

[Redback]

Originally posted by FenianEel
I don't think my thoughts on this are any great surprise https://www.aulro.com/afvb/


Originally posted by p38arover

The Union Jack is NOT the English flag so it doesn't symbolise the English - too many people think that. <span style="color:red">Hmmm, how come they fly the thing everywhere and have it at sporting events (e.g. Cricket) that only involve England</span>

I like it because it shows the heritage of those in the First Fleet - people from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.



Originally posted by p38arover
I also said that the Union Jack in our flag represents (in my eyes) those in the First Fleet. I don't think we have to change our flag to represent all those who came later.

MMMM :evil: I'm pretty sure most of the "Celts" on board those rat rafts were not represented by "that" flag. Many were there because of their defiance of it.
Australia had an Aboriginal population eons ago, we have had a LARGE Chinese population since the 1850's, 40% of the population is from Irish Descent. - NONE of these are represented by that thing in the corner, nor did they come later.
Nor is there any such thing as the U.K.
It has NEVER been a united kingdom. And Ireland has NEVER been part of it. Under force of arms the Brits perpetuated this myth. A kingdom isn't united by death, slavery, destruction, or eradication of a different culture.


Originally posted by drivesafe
far FAR more Australians have fought and died under the present flag, it stands to reason that this IS our flag.

They died under a different anthem. What happened to that! 8O
Most died under the Union Jack, particularly in WW1. The majority of the time the Aussie flag wasn't even allowed to be flown, especially when that other thing was present. In WW11, when Singapore was retaken, and when Changi was "freed", an Australian flag was flown, only to be taken down and the Jack put up.

RIGHT -On to the anthem, I like it, know the original 2 verses, but think it doesnt do the country justice, nor is it a stirring number.

Jokingly, Waltzing Matilda is truly representative.
A tune ripped off from the Scots, written by a drunk - about a thief who necks himself!!! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I like God defend New Zealand (but that's not representative of others either)
I like the French "La Marseillaise"
I detest "God Save the Queen" :twisted: Not just 'cause I detest royalty etc.., but it doesn't say jack squat about the people. country or anything else.

Of course I love "Amhán na bhFiann" (A Soldiers Song), the Irish National Anthem....it says something, and it is stirring

National symbols are supposed to inspire patriotism and unity. Australians are patriotic, but our national symbols do not promote Unity.

That's enough political shiite from me :roll:

I'm with you mate, and one more thing, THE ONLY WAR the australians fought in under the current flag is Vietnam, (No disrepect to the brave men and women that fought there by the way my hat goes off to you) only stating a fact.

All i'm saying.

Baz.

[Redback]

Originally posted by barney
here's the whole box and dice. knock yourself out







Advance Australia Fair

Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in Nature’s gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history’s page, let every stage
Advance Australia fair!
In joyful strains then let us sing,
“Advance Australia fair!”

When gallant Cook from Albion sail’d,
To trace wide oceans o’er,
True British courage bore him on,
Till he landed on our shore.
Then here he raised Old England’s flag,
The standard of the brave;
With all her faults we love her still,
Brittannia rules the wave!
In joyful strains then let us sing
“Advance Australia fair!”

Beneath our radiant southern Cross,
We’ll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who’ve come across the seas
We’ve boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To advance Australia fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing
“Advance Australia fair!”

While other nations of the globe
Behold us from afar,
We’ll rise to high renown and shine
Like our glorious southern star;
From England, Scotia, Erin’s Isle,
Who come our lot to share,
Let all combine with heart and hand
To advance Australia fair!
In joyful strains then let us sing
“Advance Australia fair!”

Shou’d foreign foe e’er sight our coast,
Or dare a foot to land,
We’ll rouse to arms like sires of yore
To guard our native strand;
Brittannia then shall surely know,
Beyond wide ocean’s roll,
Her sons in fair Australia’s land
Still keep a British soul.
In joyful strains the let us sing
“Advance Australia fair!”


should see the lyrics to "god save the queen", the last verse goes on about killing scotsmen!

Sorry this craps me off, whats with all the brittish crap, i'm not and never bloody will be brittish :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[VladTepes]

It's enough we drive their cars.... https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ :wink:

[FenianEel]

Originally posted by one_iota+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(one_iota)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-p38arover
I was waiting for FenianEel to respond to my comment that the Irish didn't count. :0

Ron

Weren't they (the Irish) part of the United Kingdom together with the Scots and the Welsh :wink:

Oh I forgot the Cornish :oops:

United by an ensign and an anthem. I think not :roll:[/b][/quote]

W*nk on Brothers! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I'm not sure what gives more entertainment, waiting to see what what I come back with, or waiting for me to bite https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

And yes this is normally the flag that flies outside the house.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/40.jpg

As an Australian, this flag does fly on Anzac Day (yes it was half masted in the morning). I couldn't get that crappy stain of the corner before I put it up though :twisted: Don't run the level on the pole either! Yes I know there are leaves in the gutter :roll: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/41.jpg

[p38arover]

Originally posted by FenianEel

And yes this is normally the flag that flies outside the house.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/40.jpg

Is that the Italian flag? https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Ron

[FenianEel]

Eh, I a Non Capisco?!

Ron,

Stop it you're killing me https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Actually had a copper ask me that!!!

Now was it because :
a) He was a retard
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ I look like a wog
c) It seems similar to ignorant bastards
d) all of the above

I thought it was d), but as I got to know him a) was the winner https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[broonski]

Originally posted by numpty
And I thuoght the first line was__"Australians all like ostriches"
Something like that anyway.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

isn't it "Australians all eat sausages"? :wink: :roll:

cheers,
bryce

[Handbrake hates Camping]

I'm with you mate, and one more thing, THE ONLY WAR the australians fought in under the current flag is Vietnam, (No disrepect to the brave men and women that fought there by the way my hat goes off to you) only stating a fact.

All i'm saying.

Baz.

Actually that is not true.... there is a number of so called Peace keeping efforts that our servicemen and women fought in under the current flag. That is not to mention the first Gulf War in 1990 / 1991 and the current Gulf War in addition to Afghanistan.

In addition to the above. I was one of these servicemen who fought under the current flag, and unlike some others I personally don't like the Union Jack in the corner. Not going to get into an argument on its replacement. But from someone who served under it and who has friends who fought under it and aren't around anymore. The Union Jack is not part of modern Australia.


Doc

[JDNSW]

Actually that is not true.... there is a number of so called Peace keeping efforts that our servicemen and women fought in under the current flag. That is not to mention the first Gulf War in 1990 / 1991 and the current Gulf War in addition to Afghanistan.

In addition to the above. I was one of these servicemen who fought under the current flag, and unlike some others I personally don't like the Union Jack in the corner. Not going to get into an argument on its replacement. But from someone who served under it and who has friends who fought under it and aren't around anymore. The Union Jack is not part of modern Australia.


Doc

If you change the flag every time part of it is "not part of modern Australia", it will change every time there is a change of government (or more often). I am reminded of a treasure hunting expedition I read of in the 19th century, which made repeated resupply trips to a South American country, I can't remember which one, and found they had to sew up a new courtesy flag almost every visit! Also, this quote from Wikipedia "A 2004 NEWSPOLL which asked "Are you personally in favour or against changing the Australian flag so as to remove the Union Jack emblem?" was supported by 32% of respondents, and opposed by 57% with 11% uncommitted".

Similarly, the national anthem should not be changed just because taste in music has changed. And as for it being a dirge - remember that it is an anthem, intended for use on solemn occasions, not just a song. And if teachers do not know the meaning of the words, it is a reflection on the education system, not the anthem.

(the change to the present anthem was a political one, as was the rewriting to be PC - but that was a few years ago (1973), and it has been generally accepted. Although written long before Federation, it was used at the official declaration of federation in 1901, and was widely used as an unofficial anthem from then on, being promoted particularly by Labor governments. It became widely known (tune at least) after being adopted by the ABC to introduce news broadcasts from about 1940 until 1952, by which time almost every Australian would have known the tune.)

Both the flag and the anthem reflect the history of the country and for this reason there should be great caution in proposing change "a country with no history has no future".

As mentioned earlier in the thread, the Eureka flag has been compromised by being used politically by a small section of the community to represent themselves rather than the community as a whole, and in any case, to put it in perspective, the Eureka rebellion was a revolt against (admittedly not very equitable) taxes by a small group of men who were all in the "get rich quick" business, and many of whose leaders at least had been schooled in the California rush in the American way of violence.

Similarly the aboriginal flag is that of a section of the community, deliberately designed to represent that section and NOT the wider community, and as such, has no more claim than does, for example, a state flag, to be used as a national symbol.

John

[Killer]

Well said JDNSW.

Cheers, Mick.

[stock]

was goin to quote but as I dont swim in your pond so my point is mute ,with ref to the union jack it is made up of the countrys covered by the act of union

[Ben]

Has anyone seen the Comedian Adam Hills' version.

He sings AAF to the tune of Jimmy Barnes' "Working Class Man".

It's GOLD:!:

Now we have YouTube linking, everyone can see it :)

YouTube - Australian National Anthem to the tune of Working Class Man (http://youtube.com/watch?v=oVKngijexnw)

[weeds]

went to click thanksbut its goooooone

thanks for that, i got a laugh........was a fan of jimmy years ago

[p38arover]

........was a fan of jimmy years ago


.... but no longer? :eek:

:p

[jik22]

Sorry have to disagree on the flag, as long as the Union Jack is in the corner, it will never be a truely Australian flag.

Remember we are not all from English backgrounds.

Baz.

Lucky the Union Jack isn't English then.....

[FenianEel]

Lucky the Union Jack isn't English then.....

See, Redback - even the Poms try and disown it :wasntme::p

[jik22]

See, Redback - even the Poms try and disown it :wasntme::p

Not just us - you won't find many Irish, Welsh or Scots saying it's their flag either. Give me the St. George's Cross any day. ;)

[RoverLover]

I know all of the words, I have known all of the words since i was a few feet tall. Its our National Anthem, Im very patriotic. I believe Waltzing Matilda is a better anthem, but Advance Australia Fair is still our anthem, and im proud to sing it.

Jake

[Bushwanderer]

Love it!:D

[barney]

is this thread still going?
nearly two years since the first post

[Jonno]

I'm not a royalist but I grew up singing God Save The Queen, I can't even pretend to like this new crap, I don't know the words, nor do I care to learn them, I've never sung it and I will never stand while it's played. As far as the flag is concerned I had family that died in WW1, WW2 and Vietnam whilst serving under that flag, and like many other Australians I believe that to change it in any way is nothing more than a disgrace.

[RobHay]

I thought that 'God Save the Queen" was still our National Anthem and that "Advance Australia Fair" was originally proposed as our 'National Song' .

Like the flag, I would assume, that changing the National Anthem would require a referandum and I for one do not recall ever having voted for the change. My assumption is that they took the soft option and introduced "Advance Australia Fair" with the intention of getting it in place and later after a few more generations had been born then having a vote on the change, and of course everyone would say, " but I thought that 'Advance Australia Fair' was our National Anthem" and out vote us older citizens who know better.

Do we really live in a democracy?

[45tr0]

I thought that 'God Save the Queen" was still our National Anthem and that "Advance Australia Fair" was originally proposed as our 'National Song'

Like the flag, I would assume, that changing the National Anthem would require a referandum and I for one do not recall ever having voted for the change.
.

Info from Department of Foreign Affairs & Trade website.

How ‘Advance Australia Fair’ became the national anthem
The official anthem was ‘God Save the Queen’ (or ‘King’) from 1788 to 1974, although numerous commercial and official competitions were held over the years to find a substitute. The first was held in 1840.

John Dunmore Lang, who published an ‘Australian Anthem’ and an ‘Australian Hymn’ in 1826, was an early advocate of a distinctively Australian anthem. Carl Linger of South Australia wrote ‘The Song of Australia’ in 1860, and it was suggested to the Prime Minister in 1929 as a possible national anthem.

The issue of a truly national anthem was raised persistently before the 1956 Olympic Games, which were held in Melbourne. ‘Advance Australia Fair’ and ‘Waltzing Matilda’ were the two songs most strongly favoured then as the new anthem. ‘Waltzing Matilda’ was composed in 1895, with lyrics by one of Australia’s best known poets, AB ‘Banjo’ Paterson.

On Australia Day, 26 January, in 1972, the number of entries (more than 400) received in an Australia-wide national anthem quest gave an indication of the interest in a new anthem.

Exactly a year later a government-sponsored competition was announced, which drew 2500 entries for the words and 1300 for the music. The judges selected six entries for the words, but rejected all the musical entries.

The polls and what followed
The quest for an Australian national anthem continued. In 1974 a public opinion poll sampled an estimated 60 000 people to select from three possible anthems: ‘Advance Australia Fair’, ‘Waltzing Matilda’ and ‘Song of Australia’. ‘Advance Australia Fair’ polled 51.4 per cent. Following this result the then Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam, announced that ‘Advance Australia Fair’ would be the national anthem, except on specifically Royal occasions, when both it and ‘God Save the Queen’ would be played.

In 1976, after a change of government, ‘God Save the Queen’ was reinstated for Royal, vice-regal, defence and loyal toast occasions, with ‘Advance Australia Fair’ to be played on all other official occasions.

In May 1977, however, a national poll was conducted to ascertain the public choice of a national song. This time more than seven million people were issued with ballot papers. The results were: ‘Advance Australia Fair’ 43.2 per cent, ‘Waltzing Matilda’ 28.3 per cent, ‘God Save the Queen’ 18.7 per cent and ‘Song of Australia’ 9.6 per cent. Despite the poll results, adoption of the new national anthem met widespread opposition.

It was not until April 1984 that the Governor-General issued a proclamation that ‘God Save the Queen’ was designated the Royal Anthem, to be played at public engagements in Australia attended by the members of the Royal family. ‘Advance Australia Fair’ was finally declared to be the Australian national anthem.

Usually ‘God Save the Queen’ is played at the start of Royal functions and ‘Advance Australia Fair’ at the end, unless it is more appropriate to play both anthems at the start. ‘Advance Australia Fair’ is played at all other official functions.

[Ben]

changing the National Anthem would require a referandum

Edit: Bah, beaten to the punch... but anyway:

It was a plebiscite in the 1977 Australian Referendum held on 21 May 1977.

Four songs were in contention for the official title:
* Advance Australia Fair
* God save the Queen
* Waltzing Matilda
* Song of Australia

The results were conclusive with 43.2 per cent (or 2,940,854 votes) going to Advance Australia Fair, followed by Waltzing Matilda (28.3 per cent/1,918,206 votes).

A modified Advance Australia Fair became the Australian National Anthem on 19 April 1984 by a decision of the Labor government of Bob Hawke and a proclamation by the Governor-General Sir Ninian Stephen.

-- Prime Minister of Australia - Australia in Focus - Symbols and Icons - National Symbols (http://www.pm.gov.au/australia/symbols/symbols.cfm#anthem)

[hiline]

is this thread still going?
nearly two years since the first post


i think its starting to Flag abit Barney :D:D:D

[FenianEel]

And it was left for two years....lets leave it for another two:D

[hiline]

now where's the fun in that .............

[RoverOne]

The OFFICIAL Australian National Anthem has only TWO verses.

ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FAIR
Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We've golden soil and wealth for toil;
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history's page, let every stage
Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
We'll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.


All the COOK/Brittania dribble and other rubbish are not officially recognised. There is also much debate as to whether the other verses were in the version first written by Peter McCormick (a Scot) who wrote the original. There is also another supposed verse about Christ etc., that was not in the original.

Back in 1960 in High School these are the only two verses we sang at assembly, I've never seen the other two verses in print until tonight.

I don't remember what we sang in primary school in the '50's probably God Save The Queen, every body did with full voice & pride BTW.

We never sang God Save The Queen at assembly, only on her birthday.

The fact that Advance Australia Fair is our National Anthem we should all be ashamed we don't know it, because you yobbo's will never get an anthem about theiving sheep and suicidal thieves as long as the sun shines, so live with it, and not to stand when the anthem is played is beyond contempt.

As for the flag I would never disrespect a flag so many have died for and were I am sure proud to die for.

Its Australias flag and if you have no "British" in your blood stream, those people have come here knowing or learning that this is their new flag and should accept it as their own, not whinge about it.

I actualy had a "discussion" with a club member who came from England to Australia to get away from the Queen, my answer to him why didn't he immigrate to the US or France or some other poxy country...he came because he felt safe here under the flag we have.

The southern cross is purely a "Union" icon and no place in most Australian thoughts as a replaceable flag, how unimaginative to just remove the Union Jack, it's a protest flag with no life or colour, bland like the lovers of it.

If ever the flag is replaced I hope it has no kangaroos, no black, yellow or red, and no quarter moon with star, especially the latter it could happen to pacify a minority, to get votes.

Someone once said to me "no one overseas can recognise our flag"...who f....en cares, we as Australians do, how many uniforms wear them on the shoulder, look at the flags flying at Olympics, World swim titles etc.

Can any one without Google describe the Indian flag the largest nation on earth (or one of them) or China's flag for that matter, I don't care if you can't as long as you instantly recognise ours.

Happy flag waving on Anzac Day with pride I hope.