I've been robbed.

[loanrangie]

Well not quite me, but the previous owner was. Replaced some LCA bushes today and noticed I still have a black plastic sump on the trans, previous owner told me he provided the sump yet a a dealer still charged him $1k to fit it.

[Ean Austral]

You can replace the plastic pan with another plastic pan I have read. Not really sure how as I had to hacksaw the neck of the filter to remove my original sump pan.

Cheers Ean

[Eric SDV6SE]

Replaced some LCA bushes today

Off topic but care to elaborate how you changed lca bushes and the tools used to press the old ones out and new ones in. Some photos?

[loanrangie]

You can replace the plastic pan with another plastic pan I have read. Not really sure how as I had to hacksaw the neck of the filter to remove my original sump pan.

Cheers EanThe plastic pan comes with the filter.

[loanrangie]

Off topic but care to elaborate how you changed lca bushes and the tools used to press the old ones out and new ones in. Some photos?Hardest part was getting the bottom of the air strut bolt in.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190308/a729088a29a1af5a73eaebcba82be355.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190308/41b3ecdd59da69938c6bebccc00791a7.jpg

[101RRS]

You sure - the metal sump does look like a plastic one when it is in place - same colour etc.

[theelms66]

Magnet trick ? ?

[Pippin]

Good job! It took me off and on 2 weeks to get the rear LCA bolt out even with the help of a mobile farm mechanic mate and we nearly gave up. A nice bush removal kit what make is it? PS those bushes look familiar[smilebigeye] Nick

[loanrangie]

Good job! It took me off and on 2 weeks to get the rear LCA bolt out even with the help of a mobile farm mechanic mate and we nearly gave up. A nice bush removal kit what make is it? PS those bushes look familiar[smilebigeye] NickNot sure who made it but can find them on eBay, I got mine off a another site for $155 - paid for itself already.

[loanrangie]

Magnet trick ? ?If its metal it must be diecast.

[twr7cx]

Not sure who made it but can find them on eBay, I got mine off a another site for $155 - paid for itself already.

If you search "bush press kit" on eBay they come up with the cheapest being $142ish. Keep an eye out as they've had 10% off codes regularly lately.

[loanrangie]

If you search "bush press kit" on eBay they come up with the cheapest being $142ish. Keep an eye out as they've had 10% off codes regularly lately.Um, I already have the kit I posted .

[loanrangie]

This is the auto pan, feels like metal on the sides but flexes when you push the center.
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[Eric SDV6SE]

This is the auto pan, feels like metal on the sides but flexes when you push the center.
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Yup, that’s the plastic one. The pressed steel pan is smooth and has no ribs. Mines even got a BMW sticker on it (the ZF 6HP are shared with quite a few BMW series cars). AFAIK it’s not possible to get the plastic pan off without breaking it up, for one the filter is integral and you need to break this off for the pan to clear the cross member (in the lower part of the photo), even with the transmission jacked up. I’d go so far to suggest that this is still the original pan and only the fluid may have been flushed.

[DazzaTD5]

Just some info
*I was going to say... the metal pan is smooth while the plastic pan has fins.
*I think from memory (and places used to do it like this) the workshop manual says, both engine mounts need to be un-done and the engine moved up which allows for the pan-filter to be replaced with the same.
*my IMHO is they never bothered to change the pan and simply did the fluid if you are lucky.

*LCA arms, I replace the arm as a complete assembly, then both bushes and balljoint gets replaced, the labour time to press out and in takes longer than complete replacement.

[loanrangie]

Yeah in a workshop environment it would be quicker to replace the arms, hydro bush was split but fronts were still good (replaced all 4) and no discernible issue with the bjs.
I'm ****ed about the pan although previous owner may not have been aware, dealer charged him 1k and supplied the pan !

[twr7cx]

I'm ****ed about the pan although previous owner may not have been aware, dealer charged him 1k and supplied the pan !

If the PO supplied the replacement pan and oil then he may have supplied them with the replacement plastic one (as that is what lists as the correct replacement part). For a $1,000.00 in labour charge would be reasonable that they removed the engine mounts and lifted it to replace the plastic sumps properly. If the dealer supplied the oil then it might have just been a drain and change as I think dealer price is around $80.00 a litre and you need 7 which is $560.00 alone on the oil then...

[loanrangie]

That's what I think happened, still 1k seems excessive.

[twr7cx]

still 1k seems excessive.

Guess it just depends who supplied the oil.
If the PO supplied it then it's 7 hours of labour. Which does seem like a long time for the job but maybe might be reasonable for removing the engine mounts and lifting the engine before the change (although can't a setup workshop get the body off and back on in around 4 hours?). I've only had brief looks but the engine mounts look like a few other things might need to be moved first to access them.
If the dealer supplied the oil then it's probably only 3 hours of labour which seems a bit long for a drain and refill but not long enough to lift the engine...

[loanrangie]

Guess it just depends who supplied the oil.
If the PO supplied it then it's 7 hours of labour. Which does seem like a long time for the job but maybe might be reasonable for removing the engine mounts and lifting the engine before the change (although can't a setup workshop get the body off and back on in around 4 hours?). I've only had brief looks but the engine mounts look like a few other things might need to be moved first to access them.
If the dealer supplied the oil then it's probably only 3 hours of labour which seems a bit long for a drain and refill but not long enough to lift the engine...He only supplied the pan, who knows if they did a full flush or just refill the pan @4.5ltrs.
All irrelevant now as I have 12ltrs of fluid ready to go but now thinking I'll have to fork out for a steel pan first.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Check out MJ products on eBay, based in Vic. I bought my duraprene pan gasket and filter from them, they should also do the ZF steel pans. No point doing the fluid without changing filter....

[twr7cx]

Check out MJ products on eBay, based in Vic. I bought my duraprene pan gasket and filter from them, they should also do the ZF steel pans. No point doing the fluid without changing filter....

eBay also has 10% off sale at the moment which makes them even better priced. They also sell the genuine ZF oil, genuine ZF gasket if you want it or two other options which they say seal better and the metatronic (?) plug seal thingo to.

[101RRS]

Just be aware some of the ebay metal sumps do not have a sump drain in them - so check first. The first I was going to buy off ebay did not have the drain so i bought mine direct from ZF in Sydney to be sure for not much more than the ebay price.

[Disco-tastic]

Just be aware some of the ebay metal sumps do not have a sump drain in them - so check first. The first I was going to buy off ebay did not have the drain so i bought mine direct from ZF in Sydney to be sure for not much more than the ebay price.As you need to take the sump off to replace the filter anyway the only advantage to having the filter plug is it makes draining the oil a less messy experience!

[101RRS]

Yes but you should be changing the gearbox fluid at least once or twice to every filter change.

[Disco-tastic]

Yes but you should be changing the gearbox fluid at least once or twice to every filter change.Maybe? I guess it depends on your service interval

I will change the filter and oil at every 50k km. (Ive only had to do it once so far, still got 26k km til.the next one)

How often do you change the oil?

[loanrangie]

Trans filters aren't like engine oil filters, changing it more frequently won't make it filter more effectively. Changing fluid more frequently is always beneficial.

[twr7cx]

Just be aware some of the ebay metal sumps do not have a sump drain in them - so check first. The first I was going to buy off ebay did not have the drain so i bought mine direct from ZF in Sydney to be sure for not much more than the ebay price.

Most of them do now. If you read the description when selecting your vendor the ones that have the drain and fill plugs on the metal sump state such. I can personally confirm that the offerings from the MJ store mentioned above do - they also offer the genuine ZF brand product for more...

[101RRS]

How often do you change the oil?

I now do a basic drain and refil every second engine service (3 to 4 litres - $100 in oil on special from Repco) - so 24,000km - this changes about 1/3 of the overall oil each time.

If you followed the LR service schedule the filter would not be changed until 240,000km - ZF recommends the filter be changed every 120,000km and the fluid much earlier depending on use.

[101RRS]

Most of them do now. If you read the description when selecting your vendor the ones that have the drain and fill plugs on the metal sump state such. I can personally confirm that the offerings from the MJ store mentioned above do - they also offer the genuine ZF brand product for more...

Yes - my point was simply to double check - I would have thought that they all had drain holes and was surprised that they didn't.

[twr7cx]

$100 in oil on special from Repco

Does your local Repco keep ZF LF6 in stock or do they order it in for you?

[101RRS]

Does your local Repco keep ZF LF6 in stock or do they order it in for you? Normally order it and i only buy it on their sale days so you get it for under $30 a litre - usually once or twice a month. Arrives 2 days after ordering.

[Discodicky]

Normally order it and i only buy it on their sale days so you get it for under $30 a litre - usually once or twice a month. Arrives 2 days after ordering.

Well worth looking at the new Penrite BMV full synthetic oil. Have had it in my 2013 TDV6 auto for just on 9,000 klms now and very happy. Available from REPCO and a definite substitute for ZF6/8 auto oil at a far cheaper price. Specifically recommended for RR, LR, BMW, Audi, Rolls Royce, JEEP, etc all with ZF box.

[Eric SDV6SE]

15 000km on BMV and all good

[101RRS]

Well worth looking at the new Penrite BMV full synthetic oil. Have had it in my 2013 TDV6 auto for just on 9,000 klms now and very happy. Available from REPCO and a definite substitute for ZF6/8 auto oil at a far cheaper price. Specifically recommended for RR, LR, BMW, Audi, Rolls Royce, JEEP, etc all with ZF box.

If you want to risk a $8000 gearbox for a saving of a couple of $$ in fluid go right ahead.

Do a search on here and you will find this has been done to death a thousand times.

Various oils have been recommended by the oil maker (do tell) but they do not get onto the ZF list of recommended oils. Some oils have had the ZF gearbox listed on their list of gearboxes and later it has been withdrawn - hmmmm I wonder why?

But it is your gearbox to do with what you want.

[loanrangie]

Garry, the UK guys use ravenol a lot and I have not read of any issues, even the indies use non zf specified atf. I would trust penrite over many other so called alternatives.

[101RRS]

Well if you are happy to use it and save a few dollars over a couple of years, then use it.

At $28 a litre on special every couple of weeks from Repco - I will stay with LG6 and not take the risk. About $100 to spend every couple of years is not a lot to spend on the specified oil.

I find it amazing that people are happy to spend up big on a car then skimp on the oil they put in it.

[Eric SDV6SE]

I doubt that companies like Penrite would list LR as a suitable application for their oil without spending serious money on R&D. The same fluid is used and recommends for BMW running the same transmissions.

LG6 is great, Ravenol and Penrite BMV just as good in my view.

IMHO a full flush every 50,000km using a quality fluid goes a long way to ensure a happy transmission.

[DiscoJeffster]

I doubt that companies like Penrite would list LR as a suitable application for their oil without spending serious money on R&D. The same fluid is used and recommends for BMW running the same transmissions.

LG6 is great, Ravenol and Penrite BMV just as good in my view.

IMHO a full flush every 50,000km using a quality fluid goes a long way to ensure a happy transmission.

I’m not sure Penrite will do much if any R&D to be honest. They are an oil blender. They take an additive pack and combine it with their base stock. The outcome is certified based on the adpack’s use case eg Dextron 6, suitable for LG6 substitution. Whether it is a suitable or not is up to your own experience. After all, gearboxes fail running genuine. They fail running non-genuine, but I surmise this is more to do with fluid change frequency than the brand.

[eddy]

According to Transmissions R Us in Balcatta [Perths most respected LR trans rebuilder] the LG6 can also be used in the transfer box.I let Cameron know he may be receiving a host of calls to confirm such a statement.This would be very convenient for those of us who bought a 20ltr drum and did a flush,should have a couple of litres left for the transfer case!
i just bought a litre of LR special transfer box oil from Southerns..list price $94.32 discounted to $89.95, only because there was 500ml left from a previous oil change.Next time will use the LG6.

[101RRS]

I doubt that companies like Penrite would list LR as a suitable application for their oil without spending serious money on R&D.

A few years back Nulon had the ZF on its list and later it magically disappeared. ZF lists compatible fluids, that is the only list I woulod follow.

[Pippin]

According to Transmissions R Us in Balcatta [Perths most respected LR trans rebuilder] the LG6 can also be used in the transfer box.I let Cameron know he may be receiving a host of calls to confirm such a statement.This would be very convenient for those of us who bought a 20ltr drum and did a flush,should have a couple of litres left for the transfer case!
i just bought a litre of LR special transfer box oil from Southerns..list price $94.32 discounted to $89.95, only because there was 500ml left from a previous oil change.Next time will use the LG6.Does that mean that the Penrite BMV is also suitable do you think?

[101RRS]

According to Transmissions R Us in Balcatta [Perths most respected LR trans rebuilder] the LG6 can also be used in the transfer box.

Again has been discussed at length - Steyr do not list LG6 as being suitable but hey - its your transfer case.

Is $130 in transfer case oil every 120,000km such a big deal.

[DiscoJeffster]

Again has been discussed at length - Steyr do not list LG6 as being suitable but hey - its your transfer case.

Is $130 in transfer case oil every 120,000km such a big deal.

Presumably you are changing the transfer case at a more regular interval like all your other fluids?

[101RRS]

Presumably you are changing the transfer case at a more regular interval like all your other fluids?

I do yes (84,000 km) - but the LR service interval for the tfr case is a lot less than that for the gearbox.

Now I do not know if LG6 is ok for the tfr case or not - I know that WA organisation swears by it but others have said LG6 has the wrong friction modifiers in it for the Tfr case - I dont know but it looks different, it smells different and is slightly difference in viscosity - you pay $100k for a new LR then want to skimp on oils - the logic escapes me. These other oils will not kill boxes in the short but who knows about the longer term, they might work or they may not who knows.

Recently I was told by a LR Indy of some repute, that Rock Oil TF870 is the same as IYK500010, 'special transfer case fluid', is identical, even down to the smell. Significant difference in price too. It is sold through Rovacraft and I believe some places like Imparts who deal with bmw etc also stock it.

It is listed also for the bmw transfer cases, 2003 to 2013.

Now this may be correct but I am staying with the LR Special Oil for the moment.

garry

[DiscoJeffster]

LG6 specifies it meets the IYK standard and therefore could be used in the transfer case. Saying that, it’s the same argument of Penrite BMV into the gearbox, so why is it acceptable for LG6 in the transfer etc.

I’m quite over the discussions in a whole. [emoji6]

[101RRS]

I’m quite over the discussions in a whole. [emoji6]

Yes I agree - these discussions come up at least once a year or so - the new tight arses want to skimp on oils but the old salts are not convinced and want to stay with what is known to work. [thumbsupbig]

[twr7cx]

LG6 specifies it meets the IYK standard

Is IYK a standard or is that just the first three digits on the LR part number?