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irondoc
20th March 2019, 09:16 AM
Defender has been testing at the 'Ring...

New 2020 Land Rover Defender - pictures | Auto Express (https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/defender/104826/new-2020-land-rover-defender-pictures)

goingbush
20th March 2019, 09:25 AM
I rest my case . The Pretender is not going to be a workhorse.

LRJim
20th March 2019, 10:38 AM
I rest my case . The Pretender is not going to be a workhorse.Lets be honest, the puma is a bit of a pretender also [emoji23][emoji23]

Pedro_The_Swift
20th March 2019, 10:56 AM
That could be a mule for anything,, it could be a new hybrid model for all we know...

cjc_td5
20th March 2019, 11:40 AM
I rest my case . The Pretender is not going to be a workhorse.Maybe its a workhorse doing some fast road testing? It will have to more than a tractor so will have to be at least capable and safe on a road...

RobA
20th March 2019, 12:15 PM
Well about the only noticeable difference I can see is the tyre and rim combination look less like those on the USA photos and more like something from an RRS vis 20" or more as bugger all sidewall on them

Rob

rick130
20th March 2019, 12:21 PM
I rest my case . The Pretender is not going to be a workhorse.Well I have heard that it's possible to drift a Tdi 130 at speeds above the legal limit with 33" muddies on dry bitumen so why not a bit of a fang around the the 'ring just to make sure the balance is ok? [emoji848][emoji56][emoji23]

Where's that photo of the Series on two wheels back in the day at the 'ring? [emoji4]

ramblingboy42
20th March 2019, 12:38 PM
Here we go again....

Who says it's a Defender?

I say it isn't.

bln
20th March 2019, 12:47 PM
Lets be honest, the puma is a bit of a pretender also [emoji23][emoji23]
As Pauline says - I don't understand - please explain!!

blackrangie
20th March 2019, 02:19 PM
I rest my case . The Pretender is not going to be a workhorse.Haha..a 4x4 can go around the nurburgring and its not a workhorse, a series could go around the nurburgring..hmm

blackrangie
20th March 2019, 02:24 PM
Maybe its a workhorse doing some fast road testing? It will have to more than a tractor so will have to be at least capable and safe on a road...Spot on

vnx205
20th March 2019, 02:37 PM
What is the big deal about driving around the Nurburgring? [bigsmile1]

Sabine Schmitz did a few quick laps in Ford Transit van. Only a few seconds slower than Clarkson in a Jaguar S-Type.

In December 2004, Schmitz gained further recognition in the United Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) after appearing in the BBC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC) television show Top Gear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_(2002_TV_series)) with presenter Jeremy Clarkson. After Clarkson (under her tutelage) set a lap time of 9 minutes 59 seconds around the Nürburgring in a Jaguar S-Type (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_S-Type) diesel (Season 5, Episode 5 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_(series_5))), she castigated his best lap with the comment "I tell you something, I do that lap time in a van". She did a lap in the Jaguar S-Type, and set a time of 9 minutes 12 seconds, beating him by 47 seconds. When trying to film Schmitz as she drove the S-Type, the film crew were unable to keep up, and had to get Jaguar test driver Wolfgang Schubauer to drive the Jaguar S-Type R chase car.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabine_Schmitz#cite_note-4) Schmitz drove a Ford Transit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Transit) diesel van in an attempt to beat Clarkson's time set in the Jaguar S-Type diesel. Her final time with the Transit was 10 minutes and 8 seconds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabine_Schmitz

87County
20th March 2019, 04:55 PM
Whatever it is they should know that it is a bit close to the ground for where I need to go :)

blackrangie
20th March 2019, 05:06 PM
Whatever it is they should know that it is a bit close to the ground for where I need to go :)Its on it low setting for safety, looks like its allready best in class clearance etc, being independent will have way more clearance than current defender [emoji1419]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190320/3c8b10d651f0b3b1133cd18b150323cb.jpg

scarry
20th March 2019, 05:46 PM
Well I have heard that it's possible to drift a Tdi 130 at speeds above the legal limit with 33" muddies on dry bitumen so why not a bit of a fang around the the 'ring just to make sure the balance is ok? [emoji848][emoji56][emoji23]

Where's that photo of the Series on two wheels back in the day at the 'ring? [emoji4]

This one Rick?

Solid axles,no electronics,what more could one want?[bigrolf]

https://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/16116176/640/16116176.png (https://picturepush.com/public/16116176)

rick130
20th March 2019, 07:05 PM
This one Rick?

Solid axles,no electronics,what more could one want?[bigrolf]

https://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/16116176/640/16116176.png (https://picturepush.com/public/16116176)

and a nice amount of opposite lock. ;)
It's all under control [smilebigeye]

Slunnie
20th March 2019, 07:56 PM
This is an important picture, because it tells you they're testing a high output variant.

https://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2019/03/land-rover-defender-006.jpg?itok=KhSFGaJl



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=149467&d=1553076019

Pedro_The_Swift
20th March 2019, 08:02 PM
OMG!! and its gunna be LEFT HAND DRIVE!!!!

blackrangie
20th March 2019, 08:51 PM
This is an important picture, because it tells you they're testing a high output variant.

https://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2019/03/land-rover-defender-006.jpg?itok=KhSFGaJl



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/l660-defender/149467d1553076019-nurburgring-testing-land-rover-defender-006-brembo.jpgYeah was thinking that too, they probably in highest output too as they would want to test worst case scenario at the ring, inline petrol 6? Who knows, brakes dont look bigger though do they?

Slunnie
20th March 2019, 11:32 PM
Yeah was thinking that too, they probably in highest output too as they would want to test worst case scenario at the ring, inline petrol 6? Who knows, brakes dont look bigger though do they?

It's hard to tell how big the rotors are with such big rims within what I'm guessing are 32" tyres? Those big Brembo calipers however will be generating a lot more braking force than the front sliding brakes that have been in all of the other pictures.

blackrangie
20th March 2019, 11:41 PM
It's hard to tell how big the rotors are with such big rims within what I'm guessing are 32" tyres? Those big Brembo calipers however will be generating a lot more braking force than the front sliding brakes that have been in all of the other pictures.Interesting ill believe you as i don't know the difference I'm afraid [emoji23]

ezyrama
21st March 2019, 09:38 AM
It only looks low to the ground as the tyre is flat at the bottom ;) They almost look like racing slicks

blackrangie
21st March 2019, 03:19 PM
It only looks low to the ground as the tyre is flat at the bottom ;) They almost look like racing slicksTrue, but still way lower than other pilot mule examples

DiscoMick
21st March 2019, 09:16 PM
A snail could go round the Nurburgring, but what would that prove?

blackrangie
22nd March 2019, 12:11 AM
A snail could go round the Nurburgring, but what would that prove?Exactly

Slunnie
22nd March 2019, 01:50 AM
A snail could go round the Nurburgring, but what would that prove?
Driving at the Nurburgring isnt necessarily about a lap time, its about testing the vehicle so they can confirm the engineering and dynamics, so that people can just drive it with no surprises for a long time.

rick130
22nd March 2019, 02:52 AM
Driving at the Nurburgring isnt necessarily about a lap time, its about testing the vehicle so they can confirm the engineering and dynamics, so that people can just drive it with no surprises for a long time.This ^

DiscoMick
22nd March 2019, 06:33 AM
Driving at the Nurburgring isnt necessarily about a lap time, its about testing the vehicle so they can confirm the engineering and dynamics, so that people can just drive it with no surprises for a long time.That's true, but also true for a snail. [emoji16]

PECOX
22nd March 2019, 08:49 AM
Defender has been testing at the 'Ring...

New 2020 Land Rover Defender - pictures | Auto Express (https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/defender/104826/new-2020-land-rover-defender-pictures)

Just looks like the disco to me.. at least it will be just as capable :D

blackrangie
22nd March 2019, 09:03 AM
Just looks like the disco to me.. at least it will be just as capable :DIts disguised to look as such, bonnet, doors, roof etc

DiscoMick
22nd March 2019, 11:14 AM
I can'tr read that article because it insists I turn off my ad blocker, which I'm not going to do. No worries.

Zeros
22nd March 2019, 11:43 AM
I can'tr read that article because it insists I turn off my ad blocker, which I'm not going to do. No worries.

It’s so full of annoying ads and pop ups, it’s impossible to read anyway Mick. How gullible some people must be to actually follow all the click-bait rather than just look at the page they searched for! ...I dread the arrival of AR sunglasses and autonomous vehicles that all take you there anyway! But that’s for another thread.

blackrangie
22nd March 2019, 12:04 PM
I can'tr read that article because it insists I turn off my ad blocker, which I'm not going to do. No worries.Fair enough, you can't whitelist that site?

Adds pay the bills [emoji6][emoji1787]

Zeros
22nd March 2019, 12:31 PM
No. Ads like that just turn you off from ever visiting the site again. It’s self-defeating rubbish.

martnH
22nd March 2019, 01:06 PM
Nice

But is it based on a disco platform?
Oh sorry there isn't a disco platform

Is the new defender based on a FORD Mondeo platform like the disco 5?


Front and rear suspension. Very nice on road performance

blackrangie
22nd March 2019, 01:10 PM
Nice

But is it based on a disco platform?
Oh sorry there isn't a disco platform

Is the new defender based on a FORD Mondeo platform like the disco 5?


Front and rear suspension. Very nice on road performanceApparently MLA platform, all new.

Modular Longitude Architecture

Jaguar Land Rover New Modular Platform Confirmed | Drive Safe and Fast (https://www.dsf.my/2018/08/jaguar-land-rover-new-modular-platform-confirmed/)

Zeros
22nd March 2019, 07:19 PM
MLA ...more meaningless JLR spin.
This Modular Longitudinal Architecture chassis has served pretty well for a couple of years [bigwhistle]

149509

Slunnie
22nd March 2019, 07:45 PM
That's true, but also true for a snail. [emoji16]
Testing on salted roads! :twisted: :lol2:

blackrangie
22nd March 2019, 08:53 PM
MLA ...more meaningless JLR spin.
This Modular Longitudinal Architecture chassis has served pretty well for a couple of years [bigwhistle]

149509Actually its the new modular system to handle mild hybrid, hybrid, fully electric.
How is that meaningless spin, are they not allowed to call things names? [emoji1787]

Zeros
22nd March 2019, 09:01 PM
Actually its the new modular system to handle mild hybrid, hybrid, fully electric.
How is that meaningless spin, are they not allowed to call things names? [emoji1787]

It doesn’t actually mean anything useful mate. It’s just fluff.

Modular: “employing or involving a module or modules as the basis of design or construction.”
Longitudinal: “running lengthwise rather than across”
Architrcture: “the complex or carefully designed structure of something.”

blackrangie
22nd March 2019, 09:58 PM
It doesn’t actually mean anything useful mate. It’s just fluff.

Modular: “employing or involving a module or modules as the basis of design or construction.”
Longitudinal: “running lengthwise rather than across”
Architrcture: “the complex or carefully designed structure of something.”
Very good, you looked up the words in a dictionary.

So Landrover called their new chassis system MLA and its fluff?

What would you have preferred they call it so that it wouldn't be as fluffy? Haha

Send em an email and let them know mate im sure they will find your email amusing at H/O
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/52f254ff1f02b61afcdffd4477babed3.jpg

DiscoMick
23rd March 2019, 09:08 AM
Testing on salted roads! :twisted: [emoji38]2:True. Salt makes snails move faster. Snails are also quite aerodynamic with their curved shape.

Zeros
23rd March 2019, 12:03 PM
True. Salt makes snails move faster. Snails are also quite aerodynamic with their curved shape.

Makes them taste better too, sautéed with some garlic and white wine. Mmm

veebs
25th March 2019, 02:16 PM
Would have thought all the extra padding and disguise on there would make the speed/dynamics testing a little skewed?

blackrangie
25th March 2019, 02:47 PM
Would have thought all the extra padding and disguise on there would make the speed/dynamics testing a little skewed?Hmm maybe a little, although its most likely pretty light, if you zoom on some nurburgring pics, the wrap and padding got a hammering.

Red90
25th March 2019, 11:53 PM
Would have thought all the extra padding and disguise on there would make the speed/dynamics testing a little skewed?

It is all for marketing. Real testing happens at a closed road course.

Gregz
26th March 2019, 02:26 PM
.... Real testing happens at a closed road course.

Real testing happens when somebody buys one.[bighmmm]

blackrangie
26th March 2019, 03:23 PM
It is all for marketing. Real testing happens at a closed road course.Whilst I agree in part to this there is always a marketing element to the Nurburgring.

I disagree it's all for marketing.

Land Rover have a dedicated Base near the Nurburgring as shown in the pictures.

Much of their high speed testing would happened here.

If you look closely the defender Nurburgring cars look like they have been thrashed here.

Look closer again and the driver has a helmet on and there is a significant roll cage inside.

If it was just for marketing they would just be putting around for the cameras.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190326/91732eed13989377a1ccc5af19253ce0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190326/e8e1815877e82a6f174425a6feb93378.jpg

ramblingboy42
26th March 2019, 04:00 PM
Defender Nurburgring Cars?

where?

who says they are defenders?

blackrangie
26th March 2019, 04:22 PM
Real testing happens when somebody buys one.[bighmmm]Hmm,again partly agree, for sure real world testing finds real issues and scenarios that simply can't be imagined by the testers.

However saying only real testing happens when somebody buys one, is saying that all the extensive testing that Land Rover are currently doing all over the world and have no doubt done in their proving facilities is not real, from what i have seen it is very real.

The little Evoque is a great example of the extent Land Rover go to test a vehicle before release, I certainly respect the Evoque and Land Rovers testing programs a lot more after watching these videos then I did in the past.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hy07AejQwE)

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AoeojC48UA)


Maybe "real world testing is complete after the first customers have their cars for a few months" is more accurate.. as I've said before its just like when they release a new phone and the public somehow find issues and bugs that a huge team of Engineers couldn't.

blackrangie
26th March 2019, 04:31 PM
Defender Nurburgring Cars?

where?

who says they are defenders?Looks like back in December was one of the first confirmations these are pilot build test cars..RRS mules where before this.

Look: Exclusive first photo of new Land Rover Defender 90 - CoventryLive (https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/land-rover-defender-camouflage-photos-15440371)
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In the wake of the Autocar pictures being published Land Rover confirmed they were of the new Defender, which is due to go on sale in 2020.
Felix Bräutigam, Jaguar Land Rover’s marketing chief, said they were of the first prototypes to leave Gaydon and that more would follow in the months ahead as the clock ticks down to production getting under way.
He said: “These are what we call pilot build cars and testing will increase on public roads from now.
“The first four cars are ready, and now the line is running you can expect the number of test cars to grow exponentially.
“In time, as you’d expect, the Defender will go through all the usual test routines, from cold weather testing in Arjeplog in Sweden to extreme hot weather testing in Death Valley in the USA."
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*

ramblingboy42
26th March 2019, 04:37 PM
Again , blackrangies.....not a JLR release.

blackrangie
26th March 2019, 05:01 PM
Again , blackrangies.....not a JLR release.Surely your not serious? So Coventry are making up quotes now? Comeon matey you have to be having a laugh or are you trolling?

As you no doubt have seen the VP of Marketing of JLR US is sitting in the very same car talking about its release.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/9tHfx43ASQA)

Official JLR media release pic attached.









https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190326/0a1daf2871ff16c09dbc4a49413b31d5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190326/d9b222c641f4d6aedc2eb90e21131cb2.jpg

Homestar
29th March 2019, 08:25 AM
I am posting in all threads in the L660 forum to reaffirm that the actions of some members here is causing others a lot of grief. I have closed 'It won't be Retro' for a couple of days to let everyone calm down - I expect the same thing on this thread - ongoing aggressive behavior by ANYONE will NOT be tolerated.