D5 Getting more fleet deals

[blackrangie]

Looks like some Spanish cops just got 85 discos for their fleet!, might explain why there is a bit of a wait for the D5 atm [emoji1787]

La DGT compra 85 Land Rover Discovery SD4 240 CV: Mas de 60.000 € por unidad para tu seguridad (https://www.autonocion.com/dgt-85-land-rover-discovery/)

"The fleet of the General Directorate of Traffic has just been completed with nothing less than 85 brand new Land Rover Discovery that will be responsible for doing their service throughout the Spanish territory. The new vehicles were delivered last week at an official ceremony held in Alcalá de Henares.

The DGT has opted for the "big" Land Rover Discovery - and not the Sport that is cheaper for its fleet - that should be used by the Civil Guard Traffic Grouping (ATGC) to patrol both conventional roads and we assume in complicated access zones.

All Discovery units are equipped with the 2.0 SD4 diesel engine that develops 240 HP of power and is combined with an automatic gearbox with eight speeds and the intelligent all-wheel drive system that allows an off-road capability extraordinary

In addition, the 85 vehicles have received the necessary modifications to be able to carry out the service, they have been vinyl with the usual decoration of the vehicles of the DGT and include the off-road package and, of course, the necessary optical and light signaling systems"

This is in addition to the recent stage 1 German fleet deal of 40, plus another batch this month.

The Discovery 5’s of the German Federal Police – Expedition Portal (https://expeditionportal.com/the-discovery-5s-of-the-german-federal-police/)


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[ozscott]

They won't do it here. Shame because it would drop the price right out of the second hand market when they all started getting turned over by the Govt. Cheers

[blackrangie]

They won't do it here. Shame because it would drop the price right out of the second hand market when they all started getting turned over by the Govt. CheersWhy wouldnt they do it the Ozzie cops are taking all sorts of weird and wonderful cars these days ever since Aussie manufacturing ended. The floodgates seem to have opened to all sorts of possibilities.

I'm guessing Land Rover fleet and commercial must be putting it out there as an option to all of the government departments that hire fleet cars around the world.

[scarry]

Why wouldnt they do it the Ozzie cops are taking all sorts of weird and wonderful cars these days ever since Aussie manufacturing ended. The floodgates seem to have opened to all sorts of possibilities.

I'm guessing Land Rover fleet and commercial must be putting it out there as an option to all of the government departments that hire fleet cars around the world.

Because there are other brands in Aus that target fleets very aggressively.

I know a guy who works in the fleet section of a dealership,and the price discounts for fleets compared what anyone else pays is jaw dropping.

Sure, it could happen,but only a very,very remote chance.

[blackrangie]

Because there are other brands in Aus that target fleets very aggressively.

I know a guy who works in the fleet section of a dealership,and the price discounts for fleets compared what anyone else pays is jaw dropping.

Sure, it could happen,but only a very,very remote chance.Yeah fair call, I guess it all comes down to perceived value and needs for the particular fleet buyer and price.

[IndusD4]

Looks like some Spanish cops just got 85 discos for their fleet!, might explain why there is a bit of a wait for the D5 atm [emoji1787]

La DGT compra 85 Land Rover Discovery SD4 240 CV: Mas de 60.000 € por unidad para tu seguridad (https://www.autonocion.com/dgt-85-land-rover-discovery/)

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This is in addition to the recent stage 1 German fleet deal of 40, plus another batch this month.

The Discovery 5’s of the German Federal Police – Expedition Portal (https://expeditionportal.com/the-discovery-5s-of-the-german-federal-police/)



And the UK Highways agency with another 70:

Land Rover delivers first of 70 Discovery patrol vehicles (https://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/land-rover-delivers-first-of-70-discovery-patrol-vehicles)


Ron

[blackrangie]

And the UK Highways agency with another 70:

Land Rover delivers first of 70 Discovery patrol vehicles (https://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/land-rover-delivers-first-of-70-discovery-patrol-vehicles)


RonWow, they are pumping them out

I guess from a safety rating, load space, payload and towing cars that break down on the highway point of view, they are a sound choice.

I think the Germans got the best discos [emoji7]

[Gregz]

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I think the Germans got the best discos [emoji7]

At least they got ones with winches.

[PhilipA]

Any dealer member on the forum got the sales figures for D5?
I think they must be very disappointing.
I bought a 4WD mag which had sales in November I think and the only one to make it in the top 20 was Disco Sport with 151 so D5 sales maybe were lower than that.

Regards Philip A

[blackrangie]

Any dealer member on the forum got the sales figures for D5?
I think they must be very disappointing.
I bought a 4WD mag which had sales in November I think and the only one to make it in the top 20 was Disco Sport with 151 so D5 sales maybe were lower than that.

Regards Philip AOhhh dealer members, they would be popular [emoji1787].

Looked this up online for another thread.

LR not JLR sell around 410,000 units a year across all the LR models worldeide, D5 is at around 45,000 per year from this total!

Compare that with the defenders best year recently of 23,000 (2015) before that 17k was the average.

So D5 is currently selling 2.5x that of the defender, not bad sales considering its only relatively new.

Imo as people and gov fleets start to understand the D5, sales will grow.

[PhilipA]

Thanks, but I was talking about Australia.

The D5 is firmly targetted on Europe and no allowances have been made for Australia. No 17 inch wheels , though promised early, no large tank (funny as an option in UK for RR), strange rear design making it hard to fit fridge slide, DPF/oil dilution problems( the GM system seems much better),and so on.
I was just wondering how sales are in Australia.
Remember Prado sells about 2000 per month, with big tank, 17 inch wheels , although I understand they have DPF problems and they have instituted a manual DPF regen button.

Regards Philip A

[blackrangie]

Thanks, but I was talking about Australia.

The D5 is firmly targetted on Europe and no allowances have been made for Australia. No 17 inch wheels , though promised early, no large tank (funny as an option in UK for RR), strange rear design making it hard to fit fridge slide, DPF/oil dilution problems( the GM system seems much better),and so on.
I was just wondering how sales are in Australia.
Remember Prado sells about 2000 per month, with big tank, 17 inch wheels , although I understand they have DPF problems and they have instituted a manual DPF regen button.

Regards Philip A Sorry, no idea matey regarding Australian sales but I'm sure from a disapointment POV they just look at sales all together [emoji1419]
Update looked at summer 2018 4x4 Australia mag:
Prado: 1388 per month
D5: 121 per month.

2018 vfacts data
DS: 288 per month
RS: 230 per month

LR 10089 OZ sales.
JAG 2679 AU sales

Defender averaged about same as D5 monthly figures for a whole years sales year in oz [emoji1787]. Last year bumped up to double in the final rush.You can see why they had to change it.

As for 17s here what your saying, i used to think 15s where the standard, now im running 16s on my RRC, many of the newer four wheel drives are running 20 inch wheels now with many tyre sizes available.
18s are available for D5s, they are a very good size if the coupled with the right size tyre for long distance touring, safety and off-road ability. Look at the bowler Bulldog they are winning rallys with 18 inch wheels.

The rear design is different, but you and never going to find a car that has absolutely everything perfectly the discovery comes pretty close the aftermarket will catch up with the D5 just like it has with the D4. Attached is a photo of a members solution that actually looks better than most options as you can store lots underneath the fridge as well. MSA Drop fridge slide and you're done.

From my calculations the discovery 5 will do around 1000 km on one tank of fuel on the freeway, so I don't really know why you would need a larger tank but I'm sure they will come in time if needed.

Prado's sell well and are a good thing, in my opinion some of main reasons (other than being a good option) for the big sales differential in oz is the strong Toyota marketing + the fact that most buyers don't really know how good the discovery is.
Discovery is a completely different animal.
It's good the automotive reporters are rightfully getting behind the D5s and letting people know how good it is + all the awards its winning.

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[scarry]

And the UK Highways agency with another 70:

Land Rover delivers first of 70 Discovery patrol vehicles (https://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/land-rover-delivers-first-of-70-discovery-patrol-vehicles)


Ron

No surprise,the UK police have always had Discoveries,they have hundreds of D4's at the moment.
Many are probably due for replacement.

They also have a few Defenders.

As for the above post,

A small fuel tank size becomes a real issue when towing.

And yes,that bar looks horrid,in any colour,particularly if you see one in the flesh.

Prado,push one hard on a corner and they feel like they are going to tip over,but maybe i am just use to the handling of the D4[biggrin]

[IndusD4]

No surprise,the UK police have always had Discoveries,they have hundreds of D4's at the moment.
Many are probably due for replacement.

The Highways Agency is not the UK Police. I guess they are similar to the RMS traffic vans we have in NSW.

Ron

[blackrangie]

No surprise,the UK police have always had Discoveries,they have hundreds of D4's at the moment.
Many are probably due for replacement.

They also have a few Defenders.

As for the above post,

A small fuel tank size becomes a real issue when towing.

And yes,that bar looks horrid,in any colour,particularly if you see one in the flesh.

Prado,push one hard on a corner and they feel like they are going to tip over,but maybe i am just use to the handling of the D4[biggrin]Yeah fair call when towing, has anyone got any real world figures of a d5 towing a camper trailer and range you get offroad or onroad? Apparently you can't feel what your towing in a D5, for sure she would drink more, but how much? I've heard 15L/100 as an estimate..that gets you around 500ks between drinks.

Would it still be an issue on the blacktop towing with 1000k range to start with, 500ks gets you most places doesnt it?

Me personally im not a fan of towing off-road, but everyone's different and some need to with lots of little ones or accessibility issues for rooftops etc, so for those people agree it could be an issue if their camper can't carry a jerry or 2. I guess the Long Range tanks guys will bring one out if there is a need.

Putting it in perspective the D4 had 83L standard just 5L more and used spprox 9.2L/100 that gave them approx 900km range.

So even though the D5 has less space in the tank it actually has around 100km more range on the blacktop out of the factory. [emoji1417]

[blackrangie]

The Highways Agency is not the UK Police. I guess they are similar to the RMS traffic vans we have in NSW.

RonYeah true good point, however would be safe to say the UK police use Landrovers extensively too. [emoji41]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/eae574fc2923a1975e53f3baeb123623.jpg

[scarry]

The D4 diesel has a usable capacity of around 76 litres absolute Max,dead empty.This is well documented.

Loaded and on a good run,maybe 10L/100 if you are lucky,at 100 to 110km/hr.Say about 700K range,to be safe,max.

Add a bit of stop/start,whatever,say 11 to 12L/100 to be safe.Now we are down to around 600K max.

So in reality,not a great amount of K's for remote and long distant travel.

I don't think anyone would want to run the tank dead empty,so actual is less than above in reality.

And towing a van,2.5 to 3.5T,add 50% for fuel usage approx.

So as you can see,when towing,i always seemed to be looking for the next fuel stop.

Sure, mine isn't the later 8speed,3.0L.but it won't be far off the mark.

As for the D5,i have no idea,although most published data by the manufacturer on the vehicles fuel consumption is probably quite optimistic.

For a start,the vehicle will be empty,no accessories,and with OEM road tyres,and tested as per some 'standard'test.

[blackrangie]

The D4 diesel has a usable capacity of around 76 litres absolute Max,dead empty.This is well documented.

Loaded and on a good run,maybe 10L/100 if you are lucky,at 100 to 110km/hr.Say about 700K range,to be safe,max.

Add a bit of stop/start,whatever,say 11 to 12L/100 to be safe.Now we are down to around 600K max.

So in reality,not a great amount of K's for remote and long distant travel.

I don't think anyone would want to run the tank dead empty,so actual is less than above in reality.

And towing a van,2.5 to 3.5T,add 50% for fuel usage approx.

So as you can see,when towing,i always seemed to be looking for the next fuel stop.

Sure, mine isn't the later 8speed,3.0L.but it won't be far off the mark.

As for the D5,i have no idea,although most published data by the manufacturer on the vehicles fuel consumption is probably quite optimistic.

For a start,the vehicle will be empty,no accessories,and with OEM road tyres,and tested as per some 'standard'test.Interesting cheers, Ive heard claims of around 20-30% better range from the D5 over D4, maybe this could be why.

Lets hope a LR tank is not far off all the same.

[IndusD4]

Comparing fuel use with my D4 (2011 2.7 TDV6) I get about 100km more out of a tank, and that is driving around in the city - 700km with the D5 compared to 600km with the D4. Dunno what it would be doing a run up to Brisbane but with the D4 I'd start sitting uncomfortably in the drivers seat after 750km, I should make it all the way there in the D5 easily. It's not 20-30% better but I'm happy nevertheless.

Ron

[blackrangie]

Comparing fuel use with my D4 (2011 2.7 TDV6) I get about 100km more out of a tank, and that is driving around in the city - 700km with the D5 compared to 600km with the D4. Dunno what it would be doing a run up to Brisbane but with the D4 I'd start sitting uncomfortably in the drivers seat after 750km, I should make it all the way there in the D5 easily. It's not 20-30% better but I'm happy nevertheless.

RonNice one, that's quite impressive driving around town. What engine in the D5?

[IndusD4]

I have the TD6, 190kw.

Ron

[blackrangie]

I have the TD6, 190kw.

RonOk, so expect slightly better eccon/range from the 2L 4cyl or does Td6 have bigger tank so about the same all things considered.

[tony_s]

We have the 3l SE D5. We use about 13.2l/100km towing a 2.5t off-road van and I measured 8.1l/100 driving Brisbane to Sydney at legal speeds without the van.
Tony

[blackrangie]

We have the 3l SE D5. We use about 13.2l/100km towing a 2.5t off-road van and I measured 8.1l/100 driving Brisbane to Sydney at legal speeds without the van.
TonySo that's 580km range from a 77L tank towing 2.5t

And

950km range from a 77L tank not towing.



Cheers

[kruff73]

Yeah fair call when towing, has anyone got any real world figures of a d5 towing a camper trailer and range you get offroad or onroad? Apparently you can't feel what your towing in a D5, for sure she would drink more, but how much? I've heard 15L/100 as an estimate..that gets you around 500ks between drinks.

Would it still be an issue on the blacktop towing with 1000k range to start with, 500ks gets you most places doesnt it?

Me personally im not a fan of towing off-road, but everyone's different and some need to with lots of little ones or accessibility issues for rooftops etc, so for those people agree it could be an issue if their camper can't carry a jerry or 2. I guess the Long Range tanks guys will bring one out if there is a need.

Putting it in perspective the D4 had 83L standard just 5L more and used spprox 9.2L/100 that gave them approx 900km range.

So even though the D5 has less space in the tank it actually has around 100km more range on the blacktop out of the factory. [emoji1417]

Regarding fuel consumption, I have the Sd4 engine and have done 16000k. 95% city driving and according to the car, I get about 12l per 100km... I don’t think I have a heavy foot but maybe I do. Highway driving and not towing I get about 9-10l per 100km *and the roof is loaded up with surfboards. Hope that helps.

[kruff73]

Regarding fuel consumption, I have the Sd4 engine and have done 16000k. 95% city driving and according to the car, I get about 12l per 100km... I don’t think I have a heavy foot but maybe I do. Highway driving and not towing I get about 9-10l per 100km *and the roof is loaded up with surfboards. Hope that helps.

*correction - Highway driving is 10-11 litres per 100km

[rick130]

Compare that with the defenders best year recently of 23,000 (2015) before that 17k was the average.

So D5 is currently selling 2.5x that of the defender, not bad sales considering its only relatively new.

.

The maximum production for the Defender was only 23-25,000 as that was the production limit!!!!

It was hand built, the line couldn't make any more.

[blackrangie]

The maximum production for the Defender was only 23-25,000 as that was the production limit!!!!

It was hand built, the line couldn't make any more.Hmm interesting, I'm sure if they had more orders they would have put in more capacity to fulfill those orders , I guess the staff would have really had their work cut out for them in 2014/2015! [emoji15][emoji23]

[tony_s]

Update. Closer to 14.2 l/100km on our latest trip through the Australian Alps!
Tony

[PhilipA]

Looks like they need some fleet deals urgently.

Nearly all months in 2018 less than 2017.

carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/land-rover/land-rover-discovery/

I think I would conclude that D5 maybe a flop.

Regards Philip A

[INter674]

In a past life I was involved with fleet purchase and sales. Typically car makers would not discount cars to us that were selling in large numbers or new models. Reasons included profits and not wanting to depreciate resale values when fleet cars were sold often in big numbers.

Typically if we wanted cheap we bought cars that were not selling well. ..often being stockpiled or end of production run outs and fleet special with no add ons...even mags were swapped out for skinny steelies. Reliability nor resale values were of any great consideration in selection albeit there was once a political push for hybrids...didn't last long tho!

If say a toyota prado or lc was needed for special purpose use we paid nearly full retail price.

My first thoughts are LR is desperate to sell/turn over units so have gone to fleet sales. Second thought is that they may even be losing money on them just to keep the machinery rolling 😐

And yes fleet prices are eye wateringly less than retail in many cases esp if taxes are exempted and large numbers are bought😎

[IndusD4]

Looks like they need some fleet deals urgently.

Nearly all months in 2018 less than 2017.

carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/land-rover/land-rover-discovery/

I think I would conclude that D5 maybe a flop.

Regards Philip A



2005 D3 sales are much higher than subsequent years and the D4 sold in the 11-12k region. D5 in launch year higher (similar to D3 but indeed lower) then 2018 over 13k units. This is despite the diesel backlash in various European countries.

I would not conclude the D5 is a sales flop at all.

Ron

[scarry]

2005 D3 sales are much higher than subsequent years and the D4 sold in the 11-12k region. D5 in launch year higher (similar to D3 but indeed lower) then 2018 over 13k units. This is despite the diesel backlash in various European countries.

I would not conclude the D5 is a sales flop at all.

Ron

Thats European sales only,any figures for total sales compared with D3/4?

More D4's were sold in Aus in its last year than ever before.

LR have said they want new Defender to sell at least 100 000 a year,D5 sits at around 45 000,the lowest of the LR range.

Aus sales of all Land Rovers have fallen significantly in the last 6 months or so,where overall vehicle sales have also dipped slightly.

[PhilipA]

LR have said they want new Defender to sell at least 100 000 a year,D5 sits at around 45 000,the lowest of the LR range.
Yes it's ironic that Land Rover is now an SUV company selling mostly Disco Sport and Evoque.
I wonder what percentage of those are 2WD?

Regards Philip A

[SBD4]

...I wonder what percentage of those are 2WD?....

0% in Australia - they don't sell them here. In the UK there is only one variant made which is the base model diesel for both the Evoque and DS. I don't think many will sell in FWD form.

[PhilipA]

I don't think many will sell in FWD form.
Really? All the Japanese have now released 2WD versions of their SUVs as price leaders , and even a RAV4 is available as a 2WD. RAV2?
They are popular AFAIK for people who like the elevation/safety of an SUV but stick to the city. I cannot see how it would be much different in the big cities of UK.

Regards Philip A

[scarry]

Yes it's ironic that Land Rover is now an SUV company selling mostly Disco Sport and Evoque.
I wonder what percentage of those are 2WD?

Regards Philip A



I wonder how many of world wide sales of D5,RRS,RR,don't have a transfer case?

[ramblingboy42]

I was politely told on friday that they don't make a D5.

It is a Discovery.

The compact model is a Discovery Sport .

[blackrangie]

I wonder how many of world wide sales of D5,RRS,RR,don't have a transfer case?Very few i would imagine, dealers are not good at letting you know there is a cheaper option [emoji6]

[ozscott]

I was politely told on friday that they don't make a D5.

It is a Discovery.

The compact model is a Discovery Sport .Technically yes but to a Land Rover enthusiast that sought of comment from a dealer amounts to pedantry.

Cheers

[blackrangie]

Technically yes but to a Land Rover enthusiast that sought of comment from a dealer amounts to pedantry.

CheersI think its a JLR direction, maybe they want to bring it inline with other nameplates and be year based. So I have a 2017 Disco rather than a D5.

[scarry]

I was politely told on friday that they don't make a D5.

It is a Discovery.

The compact model is a Discovery Sport .

Maybe the sales guy was a bit lost and had never heard of a D5....[thumbsupbig]