Notre Dame cathedral on fire,

[bob10]

An icon is burning.

Paris' famed Notre Dame Cathedral on fire | The New Daily (https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2019/04/16/notre-dame-cathedral-fire/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020190416)

[bob10]

The spire has collapsed.

Fire wrecks Notre-Dame Cathedral, centuries-old Parisian landmark (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/fire-wrecks-notre-dame-cathedral-centuries-old-parisian-landmark/ar-BBVXLFX?ocid=spartandhp)

[Tins]

A tragedy. Let's at least hope it wasn't deliberately lit, but I won't be surprised, given the world we currently seem to be living in.

[Homestar]

Yeah, very sad to see such an amazing building go down like that. It will be rebuilt but probably never be the same. I heard they did manage to get some artifacts out of it, but not sure as to how much or what's been destroyed.

[ozscott]

They could take rebuilding tips from the Germans. Might have taken them a while but what they did to rebuild Dresden including the cathedral is nothing short of amazing. Cheers

[Homestar]

Ok, having now cleaned out half the posts, how about we keep religious comments and links to videos also with religious views out of the general forums like the rules say eh?

[bob10]

Ok, having now cleaned out half the posts, how about we keep religious comments and links to videos also with religious views out of the general forums like the rules say eh?


Wondered where it went. You would think people would have some respect for a building that was 800 years old, and saw the French revolution. The Notre Dame is embedded deep into the French Psyche, and transcends' religion. Thank you for letting an important human story be told.

[bob10]

Yeah, very sad to see such an amazing building go down like that. It will be rebuilt but probably never be the same. I heard they did manage to get some artifacts out of it, but not sure as to how much or what's been destroyed.


Some very important artifacts were saved, by the courage of the fire fighters, and the local priest.

[bob10]

Why the fire was so hard to fight.

Why the massive Notre Dame fire was so hard to fight (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/why-the-massive-notre-dame-fire-was-so-hard-to-fight/ar-BBW08bb?ocid=spartandhp#image=BBVXSlX|4)

[Saitch]

Some of the gargoyles. Not in the blue jacket though. That's just the S-I-L. [bigsmile1]

[bblaze]

its all well and good to get all emotive about a structure that is 800 yo, but at the same time show little reguard for ones on our land said to be 40000 yo
go figure.
Not talking so much of people on this site but public figures, media and people that wont be named
cheers
blaze

[bob10]

its all well and good to get all emotive about a structure that is 800 yo, but at the same time show little reguard for ones on our land said to be 40000 yo
go figure.
Not talking so much of people on this site but public figures, media and people that wont be named
cheers
blaze

That's a story for another day.

[bob10]

Gucci and Louis Vuitton have pledged millions to rebuild. Probably more to do with the tourist dollar than any thing else.

[Saitch]

Being a government owned building, surely there'd be insurance cover!

[DiscoMick]

Apparently it was being restored and a lot of valuable stuff had just been taken to storage.
It's an amazing building.

[bob10]

The 12th century design innovation that saved the building from complete destruction.

The medieval design innovation that helped save Notre Dame from total destruction - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-16/notre-dame-medieval-design-innovation-saved-gothic-cathedral/11020228)

[rocket scientist]

I hope the present day engineers can match the skills of those 800 years ago. Apparently the design of the stone work is what saved most of the cathedral.

[cjc_td5]

They say 850 years old but it was actually a mix of several additions and crude restorations, the most extensive from only the 1800s. So the question would be to what era do you restore it to? Much like restoring an old landie really.

I read that the amount of timber used is simply not available today. I would say they will install a steel roof which will not be visible from inside with the stone ceilings anyway. That and few modern touches in keeping with the present day era.

[350RRC]

They say 850 years old but it was actually a mix of several additions and crude restorations, the most extensive from only the 1800s. So the question would be to what era do you restore it to? Much like restoring an old landie really.

I read that the amount of timber used is simply not available today. I would say they will install a steel roof which will not be visible from inside with the stone ceilings anyway. That and few modern touches in keeping with the present day era.

There was a story in the Whole Earth Epilogue (yeah showing my age here) about the oak beams in the dining hall at Oxford uni going 'beetly' as they do. 400 years old and quite massive, but going rotten.

Oak that size was made of unobtainium in the 1970's.

A chance conversation with one of the uni ground staff revealed that an oak plantation had been created on the university estate at the same time as the building of the hall, in anticipation of this event.

His comment was something like 'we wuz wondering when you'd be needing them'. The purpose of the plantation had been passed down by word of mouth all that time.

I could quote this story straight from the catalogue but all my books are in boxes atm.

DL

[Eevo]

one eyewitness says he's not sure who started the fire... but he has a hunch.

[Saitch]

Clive Palmer Vows To Build Full-Size Replica Of Notre Dame Cathedral On The Sunshine Coast — The Betoota Advocate (https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/clive-palmer-vows-to-build-full-size-replica-of-notre-dame-cathedral-on-the-sunshine-coast/)

[bob10]

The story of the other Notre Dame, at Rheims.

The Shelling and Rebuilding of Notre-Dame de Reims
|
History
| Smithsonian (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/debate-over-rebuilding-ensued-when-beloved-french-cathedral-was-shelled-during-wwi-180971999/?utm_source=smithsoniandaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20190419-daily-responsive&spMailingID=39482491&spUserID=ODU1Njc2OTEyODIyS0&spJobID=1501704821&spReportId=MTUwMTcwNDgyMQS2)

[Tins]

They could take rebuilding tips from the Germans. Might have taken them a while but what they did to rebuild Dresden including the cathedral is nothing short of amazing. Cheers

Not to mention the Poles and Warsaw.

[Tins]

A French gaming company, Ubisoft, has a; donated at last count €500,000, but b; also pledged access to a digital scan they took of the icon, which took over more than two years for their game Assassins' Creed. Seems that this is by far the most detailed representation of the Cathedral that could possibly exist.

I saw this on another utube vid, but this is the best I can find on short notice:

https://mashable.com/article/notre-dame-assassins-creed-unity/?europe=true

[Tins]

I saw this on another utube vid, but this is the best I can find on short notice:

https://mashable.com/article/notre-dame-assassins-creed-unity/?europe=true

I'll try that again:

'Assassin's Creed' developer is willing to help restore Notre-Dame (https://mashable.com/article/notre-dame-assassins-creed-unity/?europe=true)

[bob10]

Not to mention the Poles and Warsaw.

Or the English and Coventry.

[Tins]

Or the English and Coventry.

Indeed. But Coventry wasn't systematically torn down in the way the Nazis treated Warsaw as they left.

I guess that it's fair to say that it was horror, start to finish.

[ozscott]

Dresdonites still hold the bombings close. They don't seem interested in the following words "Garrison town"; "Coventry". Understandable from what I can tell.

Cheers

[Tins]

Dresdonites still hold the bombings close. They don't seem interested in the following words "Garrison town"; "Coventry". Understandable from what I can tell.

Cheers

Indeed. Poles feel the same way about Warsaw, although it was not bombs that destroyed that city. The Nazis took it apart stone by stone as they retreated. Ask a Pole old enough to have had a father or uncle who lived at the time what they think. They'll tell you, better than the books written by intellectuals.

Then there's London. Ask Londonites what happened. Londonites possibly suffered more, given the size of the city, and the lack of warnings offered by the Luftwaffe. The Luftwaffe offered NONE. They just bombed. On the other hand, the British carpetbombed cities, especially Dresden, for weeks, with leaflets warning of what was to come. They were given ample opportunity to leave before the bombing. They chose not to.

Unsure if you are aware, but Hitler refused to let the Luftwaffe bomb Oxford or Cambridge. Seems he wanted them for himself. What he planned to do with them is anyone's guess. In the case of Cambridge perhaps he got what he wanted, given the many defections from that place to the USSR. What fun.

There is no right and wrong here. It is impossible to second guess with hindsight. Unless the left want to rewrite the history of WWII then there is no argument. The Germans, led by Hitler, were an horrific blight on our history. The gas camps are inexcusable by any metric. Decent people fought for belief. I reckon that WWII was the last time that happened.

I hope that my nephew and my son will forgive me for that.

[Tins]

I'm in the mood for some better news....


https://youtu.be/YfW7SCBbxUk

[Tins]

https://youtu.be/dzckY_V4uBw


https://youtu.be/-Zoq7HiAjcU

[Homestar]

Are they fitting a decent sprinkler system this time around? [bigwhistle]

[Tins]

Are they fitting a decent sprinkler system this time around? [bigwhistle]

France might just lift the ban on halon in this case....

[RANDLOVER]

Indeed. Poles feel the same way about Warsaw, although it was not bombs that destroyed that city. The Nazis took it apart stone by stone as they retreated. Ask a Pole old enough to have had a father or uncle who lived at the time what they think. They'll tell you, better than the books written by intellectuals.

Then there's London. Ask Londonites what happened. Londonites possibly suffered more, given the size of the city, and the lack of warnings offered by the Luftwaffe. The Luftwaffe offered NONE. They just bombed. On the other hand, the British carpetbombed cities, especially Dresden, for weeks, with leaflets warning of what was to come. They were given ample opportunity to leave before the bombing. They chose not to.

Unsure if you are aware, but Hitler refused to let the Luftwaffe bomb Oxford or Cambridge. Seems he wanted them for himself. What he planned to do with them is anyone's guess..............

Hitler wanted Oxford as his capital city in Britain. Hitler's Oxford plans revealed | Oxford Mail (https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/1717202.hitlers-oxford-plans-revealed/)

[bob10]

Indeed. But Coventry wasn't systematically torn down in the way the Nazis treated Warsaw as they left.

I guess that it's fair to say that it was horror, start to finish.

I had to look it up. Horror is probably not a strong enough word. 63 days of artillery bombardment, 550,000 of it's residents sent to concentration camps. Then the Nazis tore down the city. We are so fortunate the Nazis were defeated.

Destruction of Warsaw - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Warsaw)

[3toes]

Was in Warsaw in the early nineties and visited the ‘old city’ with some Polish friends who filled me in on the history.

While following the original plans as much as possible there was one subtle change when it was rebuilt.
If you look there are hammer and sickles incorporated into the new buildings. Even the stained glass in the windows

[Tins]

https://youtu.be/YDVJX8r8AOU'si=CisblKj3U2ToUZ1T