Series 3 Stage 1 and Thomas Winch

[Aryoch]

Hi

Don't post much but this forum has been able to help in the past. I've got a Series 3, Stage 1 Landrover, (Grumbles) and I'm fitting a Thomas 8000lb PTO winch to it. I have the Power take off etc but running the linkages, particularly under the radiator at the moment is proving interesting.

I'm wondering if anybody has done anything similar and has any tips to share.

I'd stick a picture up but haven't quite figured that out!

Cheers

Adrian

Hi

Thanks for the replies.

I've added a couple of pics in the gallery.

[edit Phoenix] image is gone in the site shift. Sorry folks.

Cheers

Adrian..

[one_iota]

Hi Ayroch,

I will ask Cousin John to post a reply here as he had this set up in his SIII Stage 1 now being transferred to his County project. Others (no doubt) will also contribute.

[DeeJay]

Yup, I have done this. I found the easiest remedy was to cut approx 2" off the corner of the passenger floor and just a bit off the bottomside of the tranny cover hump. It goes in real easy then and all you need is some sheet lead and sealastic to cover the gap. This comes off no worries should you need to do further work.
I can remember not drilling a single hole anywhere but used existing holes in the chassis and using brackets to hold the pto shaft bearing housings in place.
No pics as I sold the old girl.
Regards,

[110county]

Gday
recently put one on my county if you want some pics let me know and will take and then post them. County should be similar???, I ended up running the shaft through the front cross member.

luke

[DeeJay]

My PTO winch has been on 3 landies now, a series 2, stage 1 and now the County. Luckily, when I bought it, it was from a 4 speed Rangie (not common as you would guess) and I found a series gearbox take off for the vehicle I had at the time, I kept the Rangie adaptor and used it on the Stage 1 and county. I can also add some pics if you want. The chassis is a bit different on the County Vs stage 1 as it is coil, not leaf sprung.

[Aryoch]

Hi

Thanks for the replies.

Would love some pics so thanks for the offers.

I've stuck some more pictures up of what the LR actually looks like for interest and a couple more regarding the winch into the gallery(url given above).

I've also figured out how to get some images in the post so please find below. Hope they arent' to big.


Cheers,

Adrian

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/4.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/5.jpg

[Cousin_John]

My stage one had the Thomas winch, unfortunately I have the rest of the car but not the chassis, so by memory the drive shaft for the winch went under the front cross member. If I remember correctly the bottom of the cross member had a lip which hung down, this had been cut through with a hacksaw in two places (app 40 mm apart ) then bent up level with the with the bottom of the crossmember to allow the winch drive shaft to sit close to the bottom of the crossmember. This obviously would weaken the crossmember, however it did not appear to be detrimental. My P.T.O was a Thomas unit, so the body work did not need to be altered.

[110county]

Gday

Deejay you might have had to cut your floor as the Thomas PTO for the rangie is different to the one for the landrovers even though they are both fit the LT95. I found this out as I have two Thomas PTO's one from a rangie and another from a landrover and couldnt fit the rangie one to my county without trimming the floor so used the other one which fit without trimming. The difference is in how far the drive sits out to the side of the gearbox and the position of the holes to fit the bolts (should have taken pics when they were both out).

Well back to the topic will try and take some pics tomorrow for you and post for all to gaze in wonder at.

cheers
Luke

[Aryoch]

Hi

I had no idea that the LT95 PTO unit for the Range Rover was different than for the County/S3S1. Thanks for that pointer Luke.

I'm not sure which I would have as, while I saw it bolted to the back of an LT95 when I bought it, I don't know what vehicle the gearbox was out of(it was sitting in a trailer at the time).

I've taken a couple of pics of what the Take Off unit looks like. Maybe it can be identified???? It's in bits as I'm in the process of replacing the bearings and seals.

Cheers

Adrian

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/1.jpg
and
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/04/2.jpg

[110county]

Will get some measurements for you tomorrow so you can work out which one you have.

Cheers
Luke

[one_iota]

FWIW

From my archives a photo of CJ's Thomas Winch PTO insitu:

http://www.aulro.com/albums/album26/tw.sized.jpg

The words on the casting say simply "THOMAS WINCH....BRISBANE"

Interesting also is that the bolt pattern on the extension is different (the two lower bolts occur midway between the three upper) and it looks as though the extension is longer centre of input to centre of output shafts.....maybe?

[DeeJay]

This is all good stuff. I have posted a pic of my pto driveline, I made a bracket out of 2" Angle to drop it to get under the front member, maybe something like that would help you Adrian. It looks as though yours is exactly the same as one-iota's but he does not say if it suits a 110/Stage 1

http://landie.bigblog.com.au/data/0/3683/image/chassis0033653420060501214739.jpg

[one_iota]

It's out of a SIII stage 1...bolted to an lt95

and this is the only time I have been mechanically winched :wink:

[DeeJay]

Things are quick in the Matrix https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
Here is another pic looking forwards, sorry its side on, you can see the winch cable to the right.

http://landie.bigblog.com.au/data/0/3683/image/chassis0133653720060501214739.jpg

[Aryoch]

Things are quick in the Matrix indeed!

Hi one_iota. It's hard to tell if there is a difference in the length of the PTO unit from the photo but there is certainly a difference in the bolts holding the unit together as you mentioned and also in the casting as there is a support(gusset?) molded in from the flange to the housing.

It does appear as though the position of the bolt pattern, PTO to LT95 is the same though from what I can make out. I'll have to offer it up to my gearbox and see how it sits I think.

Hi DeeJay. Does one_iota's and my PTO appear the same as yours???? Thanks for the photos, you don't run the steering shock absorber? I think the location of your PTO bracket just below the engine mount is probably the go though. I've got the Isuzu engine anyway and the sump projects out the left side of the motor so making a bracket to come off the side of the motor was not looking very likely.

Apparently the bearings for the PTO are imperial so the shop had to order them in, same with the gasket for the rear of the LT95 at Moorwood motors(ordered in that is, not imperial!) so the bits are in Thursday and hopefully I can assemble the PTO by the weekend and maybe run the linkages with some cable ties or something to see how it looks.

Cheers

Adrian.

[DeeJay]

Hi Adrian,
Its a bit hard to tell but my PTO housing might be marginally higher hence the need to modify the floor a bit.
Truth is I was going to make another bracket for the steering damper and that was 6 plus years ago and countless "hard" 4WD trips. Buggered if I miss it, so its still under the workbench.
Good habit to keep your thumbs out of the wheel centre anyway, lucky that one was drilled into me by the Army instructors. The only person I have seen "burn" his hands was in a jeep. Of course I was pretty quick to say " gee thats never happened in my Landrover" https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
Good luck with it- one use I have thanked the powers that be for, is that the winch has been used to lower me down some slopes that I have not made it up.I get the heebeejeebies reversing, especially wet clay.
Cheers

[110county]

Gday Aryoch

Have some dimensions and photos of PTO winch installed for those that are interested. The dimensions of the Thomas PTO unit for the rangies is about 265mm and for the 110s is about 315mm, measurement is the length of the back cover plate from tip to tip (the bit you can see in the first photo has a ridge running down the middle). Also following is a few photos of the PTO installed and where the shaft runs and lastly view from front.

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/2234/ptoinstall0018br.th.jpg (http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ptoinstall0018br.jpg)
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1353/ptoinstall0024lg.th.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ptoinstall0024lg.jpg)
http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/3986/ptoinstall0032hv.th.jpg (http://img427.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ptoinstall0032hv.jpg)
http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/2158/ptoinstall0059oc.th.jpg (http://img427.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ptoinstall0059oc.jpg)
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5228/ptoinstall0041wq.th.jpg (http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ptoinstall0041wq.jpg)

The photos arent great (click on to get larger) as I have to crawl around underneath to get them no acess to hoist. Let me know if you want more or specific areas and will see what I can do.

good luck
Luke

[Dunnie]

My PTO and winch look exactly the same as yours. I had to put an extra universal joint and a plummer block bearing on the chassis, just to the left of the sump on the passenger side to make a 'kink' in the drive train. There was no straight path possible for a single shaft. This works fine and there are no holes to cut. I'll take some photos and post them up.

Dunnie, WA

[Aryoch]

Hi

Thanks for the wonderful pics DeeJay and Luke. Fantastic and really helpfull.

And the measurements. Definately have a Range Rover PTO.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/05/102.jpg

I like the idea that Dunnie used and think that is the way to go. Not totally sure which bit the plummer block bearing is? But Google seems to list plenty of companies that sell them! Back to the bearing shop.

I've picked up the bearings to re-assemble the PTO housing but haven't done so yet. Had to work at the paying job most of the weekend but will post some more when something progresses, sooner than later hopefully.

Cheers

Adrian

[Aryoch]

Well! I dunno.

Can't seem to get past the bloody exhaust pipe. I loosened the pipe and supporting brackets and shovelled things around but it goes close to totally blocking the gap between the bellhousing and the chassis.

Can't seem to find a path through. Haven't altered the gearbox mounts or transmission tunnel/Seat Box corner at this stage and I don't think this would get me past the exhaust pipe anyway. All a tad frustrating, particularly as I know it can be done!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/06/62.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/06/63.jpg

If I use a longer shaft from the PTO unit to put the UJ on the other side of the exhuast the shaft just jams against either the exhaust and the chassis or the exhaust and the bellhousing.

I'll go out and have another go at it when I get some more time but otherwise....:huh:.....

So anyway.

Cheers,

Adrian