It is a funny old world for JLR.

[4bee]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7011857/Struggling-Jaguar-Land-Rover-sold-imminently-French-car-group.html

Now, about the supposed "new" Defender, will it come in Pink with a lot of Patisserie[smilebigeye]
(https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7011857/Struggling-Jaguar-Land-Rover-sold-imminently-French-car-group.html)

[NavyDiver]

Cela a été une surprise pour moi

[4bee]

I wonder whether it will be named the "Land Rover Archie"? That'd upset a few Defender Stalwarts.


"Yeeah mate, I drive an Archie" Hhhmmm, I don't think that would go down well here. :Rolling:

[Ean Austral]

I wonder whether it will be named the "Land Rover Archie"? That'd upset a few Defender Stalwarts.


"Yeeah mate, I drive an Archie" Hhhmmm, I don't think that would go down well here. :Rolling:

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Don't post that in the " Wont be retro " thread

Cheers Ean

[Eevo]

Sacrebleu

[4bee]

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Don't post that in the " Wont be retro " thread

Cheers Ean


[smilebigeye][smilebigeye][smilebigeye] Yeah, I can hear the Pub Crowd down at the Windsor Arms & Legs as one voice saying loudly, "Freakin' Nancy Boy"[bigsmile1]

[Homestar]

Well that would certainly seal the deal about not buying a new Land Rover. As a Pom, I think there’s something ingrained at Birth about the French.

[4bee]

You do realise the Krauts & Indians owned them at various stages don't you?[biggrin]

[Eevo]

went to a car fire today on the freeway. brand new range rover written off.

[Homestar]

You do realise the Krauts & Indians owned them at various stages don't you?[biggrin]

Yes, and that’s fine, but the French! That’s a bridge too far for any Brit! Germans are awesome Engineers, but the French, well - um... aren’t!

[Eevo]

Yes, and that’s fine, but the French! That’s a bridge too far for any Brit! Germans are awesome Engineers, but the French, well - um... aren’t!

at the least the germans fight in a war, the french just surrender.

[4bee]

went to a car fire today on the freeway. brand new range rover written off.

I'd have liked to have passed by with that conflagration going. 'er indoors would have extinguished it just ****ing herself laughing.

From 50'.

Poor bastard, can you say what the cause was Eevo?




at the least the germans fight in a war, the french just surrender.


But but but, they did engineer the world's first Extremely Heavy Duty Reverse Gear setup.

[Eevo]

Poor bastard, can you say what the cause was Eevo?



too much damage to tell.





But but but, they did engineer the world's first Extremely Heavy Duty Reverse Gear setup.

the new french tank was revealed last week. 1 forward gear, 7 reverse gears

[goingbush]

PSA make that ZB Commodore thing , if they buy JLR , ,.... the Holden Defender [bigwhistle]

[Eevo]

PSA make that ZB Commodore thing , if they buy JLR , ,.... the Holden Defender [bigwhistle]

just when you thought they couldnt get any more unreliable.

[4bee]

the new french tank was revealed last week. 1 forward gear, 7 reverse gears

S'funny you say that. No really. My new French vineyard next doors bought a new Kubota Slasher a couple of years back & I don't think I have seen it in Reverse gear no matter what. I reckon he thinks I am waiting to take the ****. He just goes around & around in the same direction most of the day but never seems to reverse. Maybe he waits until dusk?

I'll leap out in front of him one day & drop a big bloody rock in his path. I wonder if he will throw his hands up in surrender &/or make a quick retreat back to his fort he's named Maginot or drop all his equipment & run like old ****ery?


Only parts of the above tale may be a fib. You guess.[biggrin]

[Ean Austral]

They are building our new subs - wonder if they know where to fit the drain plug.

Cheers Ean

[Eevo]

They are building our new subs - wonder if they know where to fit the drain plug.

Cheers Ean

suddenly i just lost faith in our subs.

[biggin]

Suddenly? I lost faith when they announced it.
Big diesel boats; surely it’s a joke.

[gromit]

PSA purchased Opal and have to continue making the current Commodore although I'm not sure why because they aren't selling too well.
If they purchased Land Rover it wouldn't affect me because I'm not really interested in any of the current cars and especially, from pictures so far, the new Defender.

As Gavin mentioned.....being a pomme there isn't much love between the English & French (for some reason they don't like us bringing up the Battle of Agincourt)
Battle of Agincourt - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Agincourt)


Colin

[Disco-tastic]

...being a pomme there isn't much love between the English & French ...

Haha the irony in that spelling error :D

[gromit]

Haha the irony in that spelling error :D

Typical Englishman, spelt as pronounced [smilebigeye]but seem to be a number of different spellings in Australia Why are English people called Poms? - Quora (https://www.quora.com/Why-are-English-people-called-Poms)

Prisoner Of Mother England (POME) rather than 'apple' in French.


Colin

[4bee]

They are building our new subs - wonder if they know where to fit the drain plug.

Cheers Ean


And if their Sub & Car Design Divisions get it all arse about they may think it should be on top to actually allow water to enter as per Land Rover.[biggrin]

[Homestar]

PSA purchased Opal and have to continue making the current Commodore although I'm not sure why because they aren't selling too well.
If they purchased Land Rover it wouldn't affect me because I'm not really interested in any of the current cars and especially, from pictures so far, the new Defender.

As Gavin mentioned.....being a pomme there isn't much love between the English & French (for some reason they don't like us bringing up the Battle of Agincourt)
Battle of Agincourt - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Agincourt)


Colin

PSA are currently on hold with the new Commodore - there are still 2017 models stacked up in paddocks waiting for Holden to sell them. They suspended production in around November and I don't think another has rolled off the line since - certainly not as a Commodore bound for Aus, but I'd imagine it's a platform for other vehicles they produce elsewhere too. It is an unmitigated disaster for Holden who are keeping this as quiet as possible.

[4bee]

Maybe they are ashamed & feel guilty, so maybe if they returned all their ill gotten money they received from Australian Taxpayers before they pulled the plug, may just relieve some of that guilt.[bighmmm]

It is obvious now read in hindsight, that there was not enough thought given to repercussions from loyal Australian purchasers who for years had supported the 'Goose that had laid the Golden Egg' & so is why today( based on the above post) they find themselves in the ****.


Just sayin'.

[1950landy]

If they do buy JLR it will be down hill from then on . If you think JRL after sales service is bad it is only going to get worst. I bought a Citroen C4 about 8 years ago , the whole period of the warranty could not get the dealer to fix any thing under warranty . Once it the warranty finished they started finding all these faults I had been complaining about the last 3 years & wanting to charge me for them. Went else were it was a different vehicle after that. Only kept it another year .
As for the new Commodore my son in law hired one last month in Melbourne for a week ( he is a real Holden fan) said it was the worst car he had ever driven . Said it was very unstable & kept wondering all over the road . He is not sure it he will buy another Commodore after driving that one.[bighmmm]

[sashadidi]

at the least the germans fight in a war, the french just surrender.

According to historian Niall Ferguson: "of the 125 major European wars fought since 1495, the French have participated in 50 – more than Austria (47) and England (43). Out of 168 battles fought since 387 BC, they have won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10", making France the most successful military power in European history.[1]


Military history of France - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France)

[ramblingboy42]

come in spinner....

[Eevo]

According to historian Niall Ferguson: "of the 125 major European wars fought since 1495, the French have participated in 50 – more than Austria (47) and England (43). Out of 168 battles fought since 387 BC, they have won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10", making France the most successful military power in European history.[1]


Military history of France - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France)



last 120 years. 4 defeats, zero wins.
last 150 years, 5 defeats, zero wins.

[350RRC]

According to historian Niall Ferguson: "of the 125 major European wars fought since 1495, the French have participated in 50 – more than Austria (47) and England (43). Out of 168 battles fought since 387 BC, they have won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10", making France the most successful military power in European history.[1]


Military history of France - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France)

In other words they won a fair few battles over that massive amount of time, lost and / or drew a few and never actually won a war.

DL

[4bee]

Curiosity got the better of me re The Citroen C4 Cactus. Nearly wet my undies.[biggrin]
.................. Cactus. Cactus Fuctus does not go down well at all in OZ.

CITROEN C4 Cactus Showroom | SUV (https://www.citroen.com.au/new-cars/c4-cactus/)

I bet I'm not the only one here to ponder that little howler.:Rolling:


Red rear insert with black ‘Cactus’ lettering[biggrin]

Why would you advertise that you are a plonker?

[bsperka]

at the least the germans fight in a war, the french just surrender.The French surrendered early so that Paris and all of it's art and buildings wouldn't be destroyed. Very strategic surrender, placing cultural artifacts above French military pride.

[DiscoMick]

Napoleon did all right.

[JDNSW]

Napoleon did all right.

For a few years.

[V8Ian]

Napoleon did all right.
Not for quite a few nights though, Josephine. [biggrin]

[4bee]

Napoleon did all right.


So well in fact that they named a Brandy after him. [bigsmile1]

[DiscoMick]

The French didn't have much alternative but to surrender in WWII after the German Panzers did a loop around their defences and headed for Paris.

[Eevo]

prussian war
ww1
ww2
suez crisis
vietnam

[carjunkieanon]

prussian war
ww1
ww2
suez crisis
vietnam

They worked pretty hard to stick it out in Vietnam. Lost, but didn't exactly surrender.
Less well known than the British evacuation of Dunkirk are the French that held the German Army back so the Brits could evacuate.

Two interesting videos on the French.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr4MdqXbk7c)

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO-Ocueehfc)

[AK83]

hmmmm .... hydraulic instead of air suspension?

I once drove a DS, loved it. Idiot .. should have bought it.
The Peugeots I've had dealings with have all been nice to drive for what they were too.
Just as reliable as any other car too.

Brits just have to get over their fear of frenchness!

The Cactus was a good laugh too tho.

[4bee]

They worked pretty hard to stick it out in Vietnam. Lost, but didn't exactly surrender.
Less well known than the British evacuation of Dunkirk are the French that held the German Army back so the Brits could evacuate.

Two interesting videos on the French.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr4MdqXbk7c)

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO-Ocueehfc)

All to no avail it seemed. Thousands of French then decided they wanted to be retrurned back to La belle France & bugger the risk that the Brits had run getting them out of Dunkirque in their hours of need "to fight another day".

Maybe the Brits didn't make as good a Croissant as they were led to believe & said "**** this for a game of Soldiers".

[DiscoMick]

Back on topic, I can see a lot of similarities between PSA and JLR, so maybe a marriage could work. They certainly wold have some of the world's best diesel engines.
The English would hate it though, particularly those obsessed with Brexit.

[slug_burner]

And what do you think Tata would have to say about it all? It is not up to JLR as to who they merge with!

[Meccles]

Is anyone here really serious ? I mean JLR has been in bed with Japanese, Germans, Americans and Indians. To suggest that being associated with French is a end of the world is laughable. What’s always been wrong with JLR is Reliability. They forget that cars are always on sold so if it’s got a reputation for being unreliable and costly to maintain then that hits desirability. Add to that the leaps and bounds of “ cheaper” products in both performance and capability it’s makes it real hard to justify buying on brand name alone. JLR used to sell to people who needed a product not those that wanted to flaunt a products name. Many years of owning both newish and older JLR products overwhelmingly comment is “ what crap British engineering/QA/QC ” they are. Nice but I wouldn’t want hassle. Until JLR fix that no matter who owns them - Long term I can’t see a future.

[Meccles]

JLR will die if they don’t get their reliability better.

[Disco-tastic]

Is anyone here really serious ? I mean JLR has been in bed with Japanese, Germans, Americans and Indians. To suggest that being associated with French is a end of the world is laughable. What’s always been wrong with JLR is Reliability. They forget that cars are always on sold so if it’s got a reputation for being unreliable and costly to maintain then that hits desirability. Add to that the leaps and bounds of “ cheaper” products in both performance and capability it’s makes it real hard to justify buying on brand name alone. JLR used to sell to people who needed a product not those that wanted to flaunt a products name. Many years of owning both newish and older JLR products overwhelmingly comment is “ what crap British engineering/QA/QC ” they are. Nice but I wouldn’t want hassle. Until JLR fix that no matter who owns them - Long term I can’t see a future.Isn't the 2.7TD a PSA motor?

[DiscoMick]

Tata have denied any plan to sell JLR.

[DiscoMick]

Tata denies it is trying to sell Jaguar Land Rover to France's PSA | Business | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/09/tata-denies-it-is-trying-to-sell-jaguar-land-rover-to-frances-psa)

[RANDLOVER]

Isn't the 2.7TD a PSA motor?

The 2.7 is a Ford Duratorq motor also found in the Aus Ford "Territory", but seems to have been used in Jaguars, Citroens & Peugeots.

2011 Ford Territory's Diesel Heart Revealed (https://www.themotorreport.com.au/car-review/2011-ford-territorys-tdci-duratorq-diesel-heart-revealed-petrol-six-updated-73230.html)

[AK83]

My understanding of this motor is that it's a Ford-PSA collaboration, but built by Ford.
More PSA cars use the engine than do Ford cars.

[carjunkieanon]

("https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7011857/

Now, about the supposed "new" Defender, will it come in Pink [smilebigeye)

Land Rovers have a long and proud history of being painted pink. The SAS Used to Drive Bright Pink Vehicles During the Gulf War - Fact Fiend (http://www.factfiend.com/sas-used-drive-bright-pink-vehicles-gulf-war/)

[4bee]

But it was a polished Dirty Pink not a highly polished Showroom Pink & I would be the last one to refer to SAS Troopers as Nancy Boys 'cos they probably know where i live.

I'd be safer climbing Mount Everest.[smilebigeye]