How many Litres do you use to drive 100Km?

[kando]

G'day mates,

I posted the following post on:
http://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php'showforum=1
But perhaps I would have receive information on what I was looking for had I poster here on the Land Rover fourm https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I’m no expert on TD Discos but... I do have it on good authority that a TD Disco will use 9 -11.5lt per 100kms while a V8 petrol driven Disco will use 20-26lt per 100kms! Ouch! Even my 92 NC Ford Fairlane Ghia, automatic, with its 4.2 litre straight six uses less than half that amount of petrol to cover 100 Km!

I had to drive around to the other side of the bay today to pick-up an item, so I hooked-up a 7’x5’ trailer and off I went, the round trip was 176.08Km and took me three hours seventeen minutes to complete. The car used 18.27 Litres of petrol, or $25.01 worth for the trip. (on the way back petrol that had cost me $1.33.9 per litre on the outbound trip, three hours later cost me $1.36.9 per litre…you figure!)
So my Ford used 18.27 Litres of petrol to cover 176.08Km, about 50% of that distance in heavy stop and go traffic, in a Ford Fairlane Ghia with a 4.2 L engine!

This got me thinking on fuel economy for various vehicle, so I thought I would ask you what vehicle you drive, is it powered by Petrol, Ethanol, 100%, 80/20, 50/50, 75/25, Diesel or Biodiesel, and how much fuel do you need to cover 100Km in about 50/50 highway and city driving.

Your input could help people chose a 4x4 suitable for their needs.
I'll be interested in reading your input and fuel figures for you're 4x4.
For this to work properly...no BS mates :wink:

Bill from Corio.

Tonight I posted the following on http://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php'showforum=1

G'day mates,

I was hoping to get some "consistent" L/100Km figures to help me decide on a buying a 4x4...a 1992 V8 Range Rover Vogue on straight petrol.
The vehicle looks to be in pretty good condition and, according to the owner, has been well looked after...but the posted figures are... as to be expected by the various vehicles, loads and driving conditions... all over the place, so my little scheme will not work. :cry:
I had been dead-set on buying a LR Disco TDi but after missing three of them over the past months, all were in NSW, I decided to expand my search to include Disco V8's and RR V8's and I've found what looks to be a good V8 RR Auto' not far from me here in Vic' https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
I'll be looking at the RR this Saturday...have already agreed to buy it...if it's as good as in the pictures and... the mechanical side checks out.
We are retirees and I would only be doing local shopping trips with the wife and a weekly trip out to the Golden Triangle with the dogs for a bit of camping and metal detecting, no real heavy gear to lug around, only two small dogs, a metal detector, a four man tent and a bit of camping gear…and myself https://www.aulro.com/afvb/.

I was also considering buying a little Suzuki Sierra 4x4 soft top on eBay:
1992 Suzuki sierra 4x4 soft top 11 months rego, 4 inch lift kit, tow bar, brand new steering damper "old man emu" Mud tyres, new soft top Huge bullbar with electric winch, winch worth over $3000 Roll bar this four wheel drive is for the serious four wheel driver very small (fingernail size) minor dints in guards and slight discolour on bonnet only Red in colour Interior is original, rip in drivers seat only but other wise in very good condition Third seat with belts Water tanks Duel battery set up just needs second battery 12 volt power Snorkel Side steps 70lt fuel tank but awesome on fuel needs a new thrush washer and sump gasket that's it otherwise runs fine Can view in PARKES NSW PH 0427450442.

Tonight I called the lady selling the Suzie and asked her about all the gear and the “awesome on fuel” statement. I almost fell off my stool when she told me she got 400 Km on a 70L tank of petrol! Anyway I told her I did not need the winch or all the other gear on the Suzie and thanks but no thanks, so if any of you want a big strong $3,000 winch and all the other gear for $3,700, that includes the Suzie, you can give her a call.

If anyone can shoot me some info’ on a 1992, well cared for Automatic V8 RR Vogue, things I should look for when checking the vehicle out that could be the signs of problems before they arise, or things I should check before parting with my cash, and, if you know, how many L per 100Km I should expect to use “driving light”, it would be much appreciated mates.

Cheers and thanks one and all for the input, it’s much appreciated mates. :wink:

Bill

[Quiggers]

Hello Kando,

I run a 93 V8 auto which lives in the country, we don't have the problems of the city here, like traffic or traffic lights to slow our progress, so my figure may be skewed, relatively: 16 litres / 100km

However, I had a new 95 with a 3.9 in Sydney which got thru 80 litres for just 320 km, but on long runs which it did often, showed 14 litres /100.

Depends where you drive.

Some of the others here record much better figures than me, 'cause they really look after their LRs.

I had a look at ebay last night, good time to buy! There's plenty of RRs and Discos around for not much more than lunch money.

Cheers, GQ

[Bytemrk]

G'day Bill,


As Quiggers has said.. it REALLY depends on the type of driving. The stories you here up around 26 Ltr /100k are either guys that run everywhere full noise.. or are in heavy sand or similar offroad.

My disco is the newer 4.0 ltr and I get around 19ltr/100 stop and go around town and about 15-16 on the highway. ( that said I do drive it hard)

My neighbor who has a 91 Auto 3.9 Rangie around town is a little better than mine about 18 and on the highway gets down to 14.

When you compare the numbers to your ford.... don't forget the ford 6cyl isn't trying to push 2 tonnes plus of car. it also is not full time 4x4 so not really a fair comparison.

It you are really concerned about fuel cost though..... go to a turbo diesel

Mark

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">im getting around 11.3 to 11.5 l/100kms around town or freeway.....

and around 12l/100 towing....




i do have a lot of wind resistance and weight.....
it has bull bars and roofracks with antennas and spotties.......
and dont forget the great aerodynamics........</span>

[Wortho]

Getting on avg 10lt per 100 from tdi disco on normal diesel fuel.
Best achieved was 8.5lt per 100 that was on a rare week that i didn't go up the beach.
Worst week was 12lt per 100 that included three days on stockton beach and was towing a trailer on the sand(not all the time though).
Nearly all my driving on road is a mixture 50/50 in and out of town and i do around 1200k's a week.
By the way Bill was it you who said you can make biopetrol? if so how the hell do you do that. I'm sure lots of people would be interested.

[HangOver]

[quote=DEFENDERZOOK]<span style="color:blue">im getting around 11.3 to 11.5 l/100kms around town or freeway.....

and around 12l/100 towing....</span>

Hi

Do you run Diesel ?

I run a 2.2L 4 cylinder manual day to day and only get about 9.5L/100

Just wondering if it was time to change my daily ride to a defender with those kind of figures.

[kando]

Originally posted by Wortho
Getting on avg 10lt per 100 from tdi disco on normal diesel fuel.
Best achieved was 8.5lt per 100 that was on a rare week that i didn't go up the beach.
Worst week was 12lt per 100 that included three days on stockton beach and was towing a trailer on the sand(not all the time though).
Nearly all my driving on road is a mixture 50/50 in and out of town and i do around 1200k's a week.
By the way Bill was it you who said you can make biopetrol? if so how the hell do you do that. I'm sure lots of people would be interested.
G'day Wortho,
As you run a TDi you should be talking BioDiesel, not BioPetrol https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ BioPetrol is just another name for Ethanol and, with a proper converter fitted in your MPFI car you can run on straight petrol, straight ethanol or a mix of ethanol and petrol, you simply flip a switch for whatever fuel you're running on. The switch is similar to the LPG switch in a gas/petrol conversion where you flip over from petrol to gas or gas to petrol...but you only have the one fuel tank...no extra tank involved.
There are also a couple of other pretty simple but very important items you need to know about your vehicle! You need to know which injectors are fitted in your vehicle, you need to know if the Ohms at the injectors conectors are High, Medium or Low.
(High Impedance: 14-16 OHM, Medium Impedance: 12 OHM, Low Impedance: 2.2-2.4 OHM)
You also need to know which injector Connector Type is used, the Bosch EV1, Bosch EV6, Delphi, NipponDenso or the NH1 Connectors.
Everyone would think the local car factory that builds the vehicle, or the workshop that has the franchise to repair your vehicle would be able to give you this info' in two minutes flat! No So!
For instance, when I contacted the Ford factory here in Geelong to enquire which injectors they use in the 1992 Ford Fairlane Ghia, vin # xxxxxxx, the technecian told me: We use Ford injectors!
When I pointed out the fact that Ford did not manufacture injectors for their range of cars, they purchased them from other manufactures!
He stated that that was news to him! (How do these guys get their positions?) Anyway, I found that the 1992 Ford Fairlane Ghia uses Bosch injectors by stripping out one of the injectors from the car.
There's quite a lot more to cover on running a car on biopetrol and as it's almost 3am I need some sleep, if you're interested, PM me.
I'll dig out some info on LR RR injectors and post it here.

cheers

Bill

[stevesub]

2000 Rangie Vouge - trip computer says 13.5l/100km

2001 V6 Freelander - from around 11l/100km

I am currently driving a 2005 Rangie Sport supercharged V8, very nice and the trip computer says 16.5l/100km but the owner is a lead foot and I have not reset the computer so my comsumption will be better. My Rangie (2000 Vogue) was his last vehicle and when we got it, the trip computer had his comsumption at 17l/100km

Our 2000 Troopy 4.2 diesel non-turbo. Did a test up the Newel last year. At 90kph (cruise control) 10l/100km, at 100kph 12.5l/100km - mind you it has the areo-dynamics of 2 bricks. Average for us is around 12l/100km day to day running.

Most of our driving is on the open road at around 100kph.

[Maggot4x4]

85 Rangie with 4BD1, 315x75x16 Procomp XTerrains, 4.11 diffs, LT85 & LT230

Ave 8.5L/100km
Best 7.4L/100km
Worst 9.8L/100km

[bigbugga]

Currant ride is the <span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">Navara d40</span> 2.5l TD (keep it small so as not to offend the LR owners hehehe.

just did 5000= k's in 2 weeks and got between 9.5 and 10.5 per 100, am stoked with that.

Old disco 3.9l I used to have would use 80l and return about 350k's around town, and 500 to 550 on long trips
I found the disco to like the premium fuel better and always got better figures when I used it

[stevo68]

I posted this elsewhere, but current vehicle is 2005 V8 HSE D3 8) which has the 4.4litre V8-220kw, yeah baby. Most use atm is highway and around Gold Coast, trip computer shows 13.8l/100km. On a recent jaunt with GCLRO to Fraser, so therefore sand driving that krept up to 15.4l/100km. So for a V8 Im pretty impressed, not much difference to the V6 Territory I had previously.

Regards

Stevo

[goofyr]

I have a 2003 Disco TD5. Over 3 years and about 60,000 kms I'm currently averaging 11.14L/100km (worst is 12.91L and best is 9.96L yeah I keep track of every fill up). I tend to try to drive economically especially with current fuel prices, and I try to avoid the Sydney peak hours when I can.

[Ace]

I have a 98 Tdi disco and average about 10.5L/100km which is mostly short runs around town. I havent done a long highway run in the 18 months i have owned it but would expect around 9L/100km. Matt

[muddymech]

hi
my 1999 s1 disco v8 gave 21/100 round town the other day, then got 15/100 on a 500km trip at a round 100-110kph on crusie.
im hoping it will improve when i change the air flow meter.

[disconut]

MY03 TD5 Defender 90

Best 9.2l/100
Avge 10l/100
Worst 14l/100 towing 1500kgs

Trev.

[barney]

my 110 with a carburetted 4.0L V8, (still running points in the dizzy) has got as low as 14.45L/100k, but a normal highway run will bring figures around 15.4L/100k.
this is a huge improvement on 17.9L/100, which was my best highway figure before i fitted the performafuel catalyst.
of course, since most of my driving is around the city, showing lesser 4wd's their poor choice of vehicle when pulling away from the lights, i tend to use a fair bit of fuel. have recorded 26L/100 on one occasion.
an effect of the fuel catalyst is that it raises your octane level by around 5 points. this is great for me as my engine also runs a modified cam, fuel with less than 98 octane pings under load.
i tend to use this added performance when ever i can. especially overtaking diesel toyotas on long hills. they see a twenty two yr old landy going past them and they think something is wrong with their engine.

[kando]

Thanks for your views, they're much appreciated https://www.aulro.com/afvb/.
I have just posted the following message on General Chat at: http://forum.australia4wd.com/

My LR guru/advisor mate, Glen, https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ has given me heaps of much appreciated good advice on the TDi LR Discos, now you are confirming, along with others on aulro.com, what Glen recommends! I guess after missing three TDi Discos, the last one being real value for money, I'm beginning to feel a bit disparate and have started grabbing at straws...guess that should be RR's https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Anyway I believe I’ll contact the seller of the RR and apologise for not proceeding with the deal, he won’t have lost anything, time or money and I can get back to my search for a TDi Disco, preferably a 5 speed manual, which is more the vehicle we need.
Sure the RR’s are a beaut wagon but so is the LR Disco and the TD is better value for us. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
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And now, after reading your posts...I’m all confused again. :?
I was sure I should give this 1992 Range Rover Vogue a miss and go back to looking for a Disco TDi but now I’m thinking that perhaps I should not dismiss this well kept RR Vogue so quickly...without at least checking it out! :?

I no longer have my lead-boots when driving...except when getting away from traffic lights, I like to get-up to the speed limit as quickly as possible, then just go with the flow, if I’m sitting on a speed limit of 60, 70, 80 or 100 and someone passes me, that’s their business, me! I’m quite happy ticking along at the speed limit. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

We are retirees and my wife is not in the best of health, I have been her career for the past three years, doing the cooking, housework and other things involved with running our home, I go shopping about once every ten to twelve days and when I go shopping, I take the wife with me.
From our home to the village is a round trip of about six K, I may have to drive my wife to Lara for Doctors appointments, this involves a round trip of about 20K. When I drive my wife into the hospital for a Doctors appointment, which is seldom, that involves a round trip of about 20K.
Then every other Sunday, I drive my wife to her cousins to have a day out with the girls, a round trip of about 30Km.
In all the trips I would be driving at a speed limit of 60 to 90Km P.H. So you see we seldom do long trips.
For instance, I fill-up the Fairlane on Wednesday, with about three weeks in between fill-ups and it normally takes about 52.30 L = $71.60. (I hoard my fuel receipts)
With any 4x4 I buy, the only thing that would change travel wise, I would take-off for a couple of days up to Wedderburn, Bendigo or some other spot in the golden triangle to do a spot of camping and metal detecting, so it would be straight onto the Ballarat road, set the cc and sit on 100 almost all the way from Geelong to Ballarat or Bendigo.
Or I may head out for a days trout fishing at one of the lakes in the Western Districts, or I may head-up to Gaffney’s Creek up the other side of Mansfield for a spot of camping, trout fishing and/or metal detecting.
1, 2, 3 or four “thousand” Km trips would definitely be out and the vehicle would have a light load to carry on my short trips.

Anyway mates, it looks like its back to decision time for me! Do I call the seller of the 1992 RR Vogue and tell him thanks but no thanks and start searching for a Disco TDi...again, or do I keep my appointment for this Saturday, go check-out the fine looking RR and if it checks out, buy it! (I’m getting it at a good price as the owner is being sent overseas for three years by the company he works for) and be happy with what I’ve bought? The seller would pick me up in the RR from the Sorento ferry and let me go for a test drive!
Decisions-Decisions, what to do for the best! Isn’t that always the way!

Thanks for your advice folks,

Bill from Corio... :? again!

[DEFENDERZOOK]

[quote=DEFENDERZOOK]<span style="color:blue">im getting around 11.3 to 11.5 l/100kms around town or freeway.....

and around 12l/100 towing....</span>

Hi

[b]<span style="color:red">Do you run Diesel ?</span>

I run a 2.2L 4 cylinder manual day to day and only get about 9.5L/100

Just wondering if it was time to change my daily ride to a defender with those kind of figures.


<span style="color:blue">yep...just check my signature below.....</span>

[Cruiser]

I have a Toyota 80 4.5 petrol. best if we do not
mention consumption figures.
But let me just add this to the discussion
Diesel costs more about 10c per L. so if you use 90L
you pay $9 more to fill.

NB. It also costs less to service and not as often.

[Quiggers]

Cruiser, a diesel Disco drinks about half of what a petrol unit does, so until diesel fuel is twice the price of petrol..... I believe this is the same for equivalent Toyota products. Various diesel colleagues spend no more on maintenance than do I or other petrol runners.

4.5 Toyota? 25 to the hundred round town? or worse.....but life could be elsewhere, NZ$1.60/litre in NZ and the poor old USA is US$0.85 and still rising. Wonder what the poms are paying now? But its only US$0.24 in Saudi Arabia.

[kando]

Originally posted by Quiggers
Hello Kando,

I run a 93 V8 auto which lives in the country, we don't have the problems of the city here, like traffic or traffic lights to slow our progress, so my figure may be skewed, relatively: 16 litres / 100km

However, I had a new 95 with a 3.9 in Sydney which got thru 80 litres for just 320 km, but on long runs which it did often, showed 14 litres /100.

Depends where you drive.

Some of the others here record much better figures than me, 'cause they really look after their LRs.

I had a look at ebay last night, good time to buy! There's plenty of RRs and Discos around for not much more than lunch money.

Cheers, GQ
G'day Quiggers, do you have the LR or the RR 3.9 V8 auto?
For what I'm paying for the RR V8 auto, I could afford to put it on LPG but I'm not mad about LPG in cars, I would rather stick with straight petrol or biopetrol/petrol.
If your getting around 16 litres / 100km, I "may" be able to get round about the same, or better, as I live on the outskirts and seldom go into the city of Geelong. When I went to Melbourne last weekend, it was the first time I'd been in Melbourne in over nine years...have no reason to go there so I don't go.
Over the phone I did give the seller my word that I would buy the RR if it checked out okay and I'm one of those silly old codgers who’s word is his bond!
I believe our word is our most valuable commodity, and if my word's no good...well then what is good about me! Know what I mean!
I said I would meet the bloke at the Sorrento Ferry, he would pick me up and let me test drive and check the RR. Apparently he’s a car fanatic and has a 1964 Mustang that he doesn’t drive, only enters it in shows, he also has a Holden, don’t recall the version but it’s a pretty powerful car and Holden didn’t build many of them. Those blokes normally look after their cars as they treat them as investments.
Says he only bought the RR to tow the other cars to car shows on a tandem trailer and now that his work is sending him overseas for three years, he does not have room in his four car garage for the RR, so rather than leave it sitting outside in his backyard for three years, he thought he would sell it as he want’s money to buy a car when he gets set-up in London.
I guess I’ll go see the car, and if it checks out okay…well…being a man of my word I’ll have to buy it...won't I.

Cheers mate,

Bill from Corio.

[Zook92]

I have a 92 Sierra, and always get 10l/100km, whether it is on the highway or in low range. If the woman is filling 70l into a Sierra, it has the long range tank, or her standard 40l has magically expanded! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/