Oil usage for RRS 2011 TDV6 L320

[BIGBAD]

Hi all
I am new to AULRO so hope this goes well. I am a RRS 2011 TDV6 owner and live in the Central Coast NSW
and I was wondering if anyone knows if using 0W30 instead of 5W30 would be a good or bad thing and if
it would void warranty etc.

[DiscoMick]

I wouldn't alter the factory oil recommendation if I were you.

[Gregz]

What warranty would you still have on a 2011 RRS ? Have you bought some extra extra warranty?

[BIGBAD]

The warranty would be on a fully reconditioned motor turbos and all last Feb/2018. Then engine blown (crank)
after 15 months 3 months out of warranty after having the oil replaced with 0W30 from June last year to
Feb 2019. Here lies the reason for asking. Would the oil usage have caused premature wear of the engine.

[Gregz]

0W would make it 'thinner' at colder temps than 5W. But probably more important what ACEA rating it is etc... what does your owners manual stipulate? I would not deviate from that if I was you.

[BIGBAD]

I agree but I did not put the oil in the engine.
Someone that should have known better did. I did not read the small print on the materials supply on the invoice until the next service. This issue was picked up and noted on the service invoice
3 months ago by the original company
that reconditioned the engine. She did not last long before she through
a big end. So what I am asking for is advice on where to go from here. The reconditioner company is blaming the oil that was put into the engine by the service company and the service company is blaming the engine reconditioner.

[101RRS]

The general consensus in the UK is to not recondition TDV6 engines as the parts used are dodgy and of low quality. The view is to obtain a good second hand engine - here that would be a late model TDV6 out of a Ford Territory.

However that does not help you here and now - sounds like the standard crank failure issues that these engines suffer from (and the aftermarket cranks also suffer from). I doubt 0w30 (would have been different if a 40 or 50 weight oil) would be an issue and you have suffered the crank failure problem - ultimately as you entrusted a builder to build the engine, they should have been aware of the issues with this engine and provided advice accordingly which if I had been the builder not to do it and there would be no warranty on the engine if you wanted a recon engine.

If the engine builder was foolish enough to provide you with a warranty on this engine then in my view it is the engine builders obligation to make things right - for me that would be a low km engine out of a late model Territory.

Garry

[BIGBAD]

Thanks for the advice Garry
The engine was reconditioned just before I purchased the vehicle (3 months before and $20k in parts alone) and that is why I did so. And yes if I had known these problems I would have made a different decision. I was thinking this car would last me a lifetime being fully reconditioned. About the oil issue though would the guys that put the wrong oil in still have some explaining to do?
Lastly the 2011 has a 3ltr TDV6 engine and the Territory has a 2.7 ltr. Would the engine fit and would you know the difference in horsepower etc.

[101RRS]

Ok - that is the reason you need to explain up front what engines we are talking about - you said TDV6 and that generally refers to the 2.7 around the vintage of vehicle you are talking about. The 3.0 is generally referred to as the SDV6 back then though the low powered version of the 3.0 SDV6 was called a TDV6 making things confusing.

I didn't know the 3.0 could be reconditioned but obviously parts could be taken from another used engine.

The 2.7 engine will not go into your vehicle.

As I said the oil used should not have an impact based on 0W30 as it is just a thinner oil for start - however as mentioned the other attributes will be more important but I doubt it would have been an issue.

The issue is the crankshaft that went into the rebuild. You need to work out what was actually rebuilt.

Sorry I cannot be much more help.

[BIGBAD]

Thanks Gary
Sorry for the confusion. I mentioned up front the vehicle was a 2011 RRS. The 2.7 was last used in 2009 I think.
2010 - 2012 was 3ltr TDV6. Then the new shape with 3ltr also called TDV6 for a while. This leads to the next question.
If I am looking for a second hand 3ltr will a later model SDV6 base motor fit my 2011 TDV6 with my running gear.
That way I can get a lower km engine.

[101RRS]

Thanks Gary
Sorry for the confusion. I mentioned up front the vehicle was a 2011 RRS. The 2.7 was last used in 2009 I think.
2010 - 2012 was 3ltr TDV6. Then the new shape with 3ltr also called TDV6 for a while.

Yes quite correct - my oversight - my apologies for the confusion [wink11]

[Meccles]

My advice- go to consumer affairs and your lawyer. Hit up shop that did your rebuild. If you spent 20k on rebuild and it failed so soon you’d have some grounds. Don’t be deterred. They should fix it. At their cost. It would mean giving vehicle back to them but I would not let them walk away.

[rick130]

As said it all depends on what spec the respective oils meet.
Swapping a 0W-30 for a 5W-30 that meets the same spec should have no bearing on wear/life and generally you won't see a difference in start up viscosity/pumping pressure at any temp seen in Australia anyway.
Operating temp viscosities will be near enough identical.

One isn't thinner than the other, a better way to term it is the 0W-30 has a wider operating ambient range.

[101RRS]

My advice- go to consumer affairs and your lawyer. Hit up shop that did your rebuild. If you spent 20k on rebuild and it failed so soon you’d have some grounds. Don’t be deterred. They should fix it. At their cost. It would mean giving vehicle back to them but I would not let them walk away.

If I understand correctly - the reconditioned engine was commissioned by the previous owner and the engine failed a while after the OP (new owner) acquired the car. The current did not get the work done.

I may have misunderstood though as information has been coming out installments.

I agree, get advice but it compounds the issue. Many "warranties" are not transferable but some are and it may take a court determination to resolve.

[Meccles]

Certainly worth checking