Car Trailer legalities ?

[goingbush]

Somehow I scored 2 x Series 3 Traybacks for a silly low price online without giving any thought about what I might do with them, where I might store them or how I might collect them from 350km away.

I went to a hire place but find that all car trailers 1200kg only, because of their over-ride brakes.

And with all this hoo har about overweight caravans and so on I thought I better do the right thing and enquire about professional collection, @$3 a km thats going to be more than the ensemble cost me,

Now it never occurred to me to use my own trailer which is for my 88" as I did not expect a 109 would fit on it. It has 4 x electric brakes plus breakaway so legally good to carry the weight.

The Problem and Im hoping someone will know , is according to my tape measure If I park a 109 front wheels where my Lightweight is parked the bottom of the rear tyres will be only 25mm forward of the rearmost edge of the trailer. ... Is that something Plod is likely to be upset by.

I could weld a 50mm RHS 'extension' along the back but it will still look like the load is about to fall off.
what do you reckon ?? or would a 109 on there be a little tail heavy ?






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[donh54]

Can't really see a problem. Providing the car is tied on in such a way that it can't roll back off the trailer it should be all good.

[Konradical]

If your wheels are on the platform and secured correctly, there should not be any forseeable problems. Where you will come unstuck is the overhang of the back of the trailer. I'm sure you know it can't be more than half the distance from the centre of the axle group to the rear of the trailer. That would be the biggest attraction for the police. Regarding tail heavy, it would depend on where the CoG of the 109 would be and how it sits on the trailer.

[cripesamighty]

I've seen plenty of tilt tray trucks transporting cars that only just fit on the load bed, or when they have two cars jammed on to fit. If your 109 is physically restrained in a safe, correct manner, then it should not be an issue.

[101RRS]

I think the weight distribution relative to the trailer wheels will be the main issue not securing the load. With the back wheels so far back what will the weight distribution be - will it be tail heavy setting up a recipe for disaster. I dont know.

If you can weigh ball weight it will provide clues - with trailer and 109 I would guess there should be at about 250kg to 300kg on the ball. When I had my D1 and was unsure, I would assume that if the back of the D1 sat down by about 2" (same as 3 fat blokes on the back seat) it would be OK - not sure what an Iveco would sit like.

My thoughts

Garry

[goingbush]

Thanks fellas, some good thoughts there.

Being a 109 Trayback I think most of the weight will be forward of the trailer axles but the overhang will be an issue I had not considered . It will be over the allowed amount by about 200mm

I'll think I can alter the front of the trailer so that I can move the whole lot forward by the same amount, I'll be happier to have more weight forward too. I'll just have to carry the spare in the truck.

[travelrover]

Would putting it on backwards make any difference or would the weight be too far to the rear?

[Graeme]

In NSW a trailer used to have to be registered specifically as a car trailer, not just be registered to carry the weight but I don't know if the rule is current.

[goingbush]

Would putting it on backwards make any difference or would the weight be too far to the rear?

Yes most likely the weight will be too far rearward, but the other issue there is the rear of the tray will be too close to the back of the truck making turning corners a problem, especially reversing.

[cjc_td5]

The front of your trailer is open? Could you tack weld or clamp on a length or 2 of 50x100 RHS across the front on top of the A frame to allow the front axle to come a bit further forward? (Removing the spare tyre of course.)

[goingbush]

The front of your trailer is open? Could you tack weld or clamp on a length or 2 of 50x100 RHS across the front on top of the A frame to allow the front axle to come a bit further forward? (Removing the spare tyre of course.)

Yes, thanks Chris, similar to what I'm doing, but a bit more permanent. just come back from shops with cutoff wheels and some 50x50 x3 . will make the trailer a bit more useful long term if it can also carry a 109 .

[rover-56]

If you're happy with weight distribution just travel at night.
Plod is only attracted by visual.
I recently got pinged for one safety chain shackle without pretty yellow paint.
He was a bit disappointed to be shown the rating stamp.
Terry

[gromit]

Somehow I scored 2 x Series 3 Traybacks for a silly low price online without giving any thought about what I might do with them, where I might store them or how I might collect them from 350km away.

I went to a hire place but find that all car trailers 1200kg only, because of their over-ride brakes.



I towed my Dormobile home on a rental trailer from Koonoomoo.....allegedly.
Over the max weight for the trailer and all up probably over the max towing weight of the Territory (2.3 tonnes)
I was warned by the seller not to go through Cobram because the local policeman was hot on trailers/weight/shackles etc.

Towed like a dream......

The problem is now resolved :-
A while ago I inherited a trailer that my father-in-law had made for towing a Suzuki Jimney behind his motorhome. It's too narrow for anything other than a Jimney or a Series I, II or III.
I added a 1/2metre on the front & back so a LWB will fit.
Someone recently borrowed it to collect a Series I, they took it over a weighbridge and from memory it was 1950kg (rated to 2 tonne so just under) with the Series I onboard.
Some details here 1956 Series 1 with PTO welder (home made) (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/159944-1956-series-1-pto-welder-home-made-post2752515.html#post2752515)

Which way are you heading to collect the Land Rover ??

Colin




I recently got pinged for one safety chain shackle without pretty yellow paint.
He was a bit disappointed to be shown the rating stamp.


There was an article in the RACV magazine some years back that stated a rated shackle isn't a legal requirement.
Is there anything in writing that states they are needed ??

Mind you, they are so cheap that you'd be foolish to not fit them and attract the attention of the police anyway.


Colin

[goingbush]

If you're happy with weight distribution just travel at night.
Plod is only attracted by visual.
I recently got pinged for one safety chain shackle without pretty yellow paint.
He was a bit disappointed to be shown the rating stamp.
Terry

Good tip, but I'm blind at night.

My shackles are rated but not yellow, I better spray mine .

I suppose one saving grace is at least, behind the Iveco the load wont look too big.


OK, with an arrangement like this mock-up, parking the 109 front wheel forward of the old trailer 'front' the rear wheel of the 109 is only 1" behind where the rear 88" wheel was . Arrows are where front wheel was parked before. Rear overhang will be just within spec, So honky dory . The drawbar is going to look a bit short is all, need to be careful reversing not to crunch guards on Iveco spare wheels.

http://goingbush.com/AULRO/trailer109.jpg

[goingbush]

I towed my Dormobile home on a rental trailer from Koonoomoo.....allegedly.
Over the max weight for the trailer and all up probably over the max towing weight of the Territory (2.3 tonnes)
I was warned by the seller not to go through Cobram because the local policeman was hot on trailers/weight/shackles etc.

Towed like a dream......

The problem is now resolved :-
A while ago I inherited a trailer that my father-in-law had made for towing a Suzuki Jimney behind his motorhome. It's too narrow for anything other than a Jimney or a Series I, II or III.
I added a 1/2metre on the front & back so a LWB will fit.
Someone recently borrowed it to collect a Series I, they took it over a weighbridge and from memory it was 1950kg (rated to 2 tonne so just under) with the Series I onboard.
Some details here 1956 Series 1 with PTO welder (home made) (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/159944-1956-series-1-pto-welder-home-made-post2752515.html#post2752515)

Nice job converting that mobile carport into a trailer,
Mine is also too narrow for anything but a Series, thats not a bad thing either .

I have a 2000kg s-type load cell, which measures the weight on top of a jack, just waiting on a display to make myself a DIY 'weigh bridge'.




Which way are you heading to collect the Land Rover ??

Colin




They are 400km south west of here, (I would probably not have bought them if I realised it was that far), The farm is south west so I won't have to go through Cobram, thanks for the tip.

[Homestar]

If you're happy with weight distribution just travel at night.
Plod is only attracted by visual.
I recently got pinged for one safety chain shackle without pretty yellow paint.
He was a bit disappointed to be shown the rating stamp.
Terry

There is no legislation that requires shackles to be rated anyway, so you couldn’t have been pinged but just easier to use them.

[101RRS]

There is no legislation that requires shackles to be rated anyway, so you couldn’t have been pinged but just easier to use them.

Yes the legislation does not require "rated" shackles but does say something along the lines that shackles must be of suitable strength/capacity to do the job. The usual cop out. Why not just legislate a rating and include "rated" in the description of the shackle.

Garry

[DoubleChevron]

If you're happy with weight distribution just travel at night.
Plod is only attracted by visual.
I recently got pinged for one safety chain shackle without pretty yellow paint.
He was a bit disappointed to be shown the rating stamp.
Terry

Really? there is no laws that say you must have rated D shackles. If you buy 4ton working rated shackles they will likely not fit in any trailer chains or hitches.

I've never owned a rated shackle in my life. Probably never will.

If the car fits, I reckon he'll be fine. The motor, 'box, transfer case is all forward of the axles, so I can't see how it isn't going to be VERY nose heavy :)

seeya,
Shane L.

[W&KO]

Really? there is no laws that say you must have rated D shackles. If you buy 4ton working rated shackles they will likely not fit in any trailer chains or hitches.

I've never owned a rated shackle in my life. Probably never will.

If the car fits, I reckon he'll be fine. The motor, 'box, transfer case is all forward of the axles, so I can't see how it isn't going to be VERY nose heavy :)

seeya,
Shane L.

You’re correct, a 4T shackle won’t fit but you don’t need a 4T for a 3.5T van. I’m pretty sure you only need a 0.75T WLL shackle as it’s minimum breaking force is 4.5T (working on 6x the WLL)

A properly set up trailer requires the chains to keep the draw bar off the road if the hitch comes away from the ball. Nearly all I see fail this test.

[DoubleChevron]

You’re correct, a 4T shackle won’t fit but you don’t need a 4T for a 3.5T van. I’m pretty sure you only need a 0.75T WLL shackle as it’s minimum breaking force is 4.5T (working on 6x the WLL)

A properly set up trailer requires the chains to keep the draw bar off the road if the hitch comes away from the ball. Nearly all I see fail this test.

I imagine the unrated (chinese crap) shackles would not break ... they would bend and twist though. So long as the failure isn't decoupling, I don't really care if the crappy chinese shackle needs to be cut off with an angle grinder because its bent :)

Given the number of uncoupled trailers and caravans you hear of, I'm pretty sure this is all a non-event either way.

seeya
Shane L.

[W&KO]

I imagine the unrated (chinese crap) shackles would not break ... they would bend and twist though. So long as the failure isn't decoupling, I don't really care if the crappy chinese shackle needs to be cut off with an angle grinder because its bent :)

Given the number of uncoupled trailers and caravans you hear of, I'm pretty sure this is all a non-event either way.

seeya
Shane L.

Totally agree....don’t hear of any trailer becoming uncoupled expect when in a major accident which the shackle isn’t going to help.

I was more pointing out to others that the suggested minimum doesn’t require a shackle rated to more than the van.

[DiscoMick]

Isn't that why twin chains are supposed to be crossed, so they catch the drawbar if it comes off the ball?

[austastar]

Hi,
Yep, it also alleviates over tightening the chain if you Jack knife the trailer.
Cheers

[W&KO]

Isn't that why twin chains are supposed to be crossed, so they catch the drawbar if it comes off the ball?

Yes I’m theory but you might notice that the connect point of the chains on some trailers doesn’t help even when crossed as won’t catch the trailer.

At 80km/hr steel chain on steel draw bar and trailer draw bar flopping around, god chance it will slip off

I teach my worker to cross chains but also make sure they are short enough to keep the trailer off the road, but not restricting turning. Our trailer/car needs to go over weigh bridge before driving through the gate.

[rover-56]

There is no legislation that requires shackles to be rated anyway, so you couldn’t have been pinged but just easier to use them.

And make sure they have the pretty yellow paint.
This bull**** does nothing for respect for the police force.
Terry

[rover-56]

And make sure they have the pretty yellow paint.
This bull**** does nothing for respect for the police force.
Terry

He also didn't say anything about the rusty bits of ??chain I have on the trailer.

[DiscoMick]

D-shackle confusion resolved by RVMAP industry recommendation | GoSeeAustralia (https://www.goseeaustralia.com.au/blog/d-shackle-confusion-resolved-by-rvmap-industry-recommendation-says-tech-alert)

[DiscoMick]

Searching, I found pdfs for state government requirements which relate the shackle rating to the rating of the chains. Basically, the shackle must be rated at least as highly as the chain.

[101RRS]

D-shackle confusion resolved by RVMAP industry recommendation | GoSeeAustralia (https://www.goseeaustralia.com.au/blog/d-shackle-confusion-resolved-by-rvmap-industry-recommendation-says-tech-alert)

Is a recommendation only - is not law that you can be prosecuted under - the above content is what should be in the legislation though - would save all the confusion.

[goingbush]

Are the trailer regulations actually retrospective ?
I just checked my trailer with VicRoads portal to make sure its paid up and I see its made in 1980 , No such thing as breakaway brakes & rated chains back them.

At least my brakes are up to spec , but I just have Bunnings gal chain and unrated shackles.

Mods are coming along slowly. Im working through the lurgy .

http://goingbush.com/AULRO/trailer2.jpg
I'll have to take a couple of spare wheels incase the front tyres on the thing Im collecting do not hold air, since I strap down the front with the binding strap around the outside of the tyre.

[roverrescue]

It’s not that difficult

Small trailers (up to 4500kg ATM) are governed under a VSB1

Unlike vehicle registration standards which can vary on year of production, these standards are legislated for ALL trailers

Easy enough to search the standards but I’ll copy in the relevant details at bottom

Take home points re safety chains

Minimum of one safety chain up to 2.5T ATM that meets the Australian Standard AS 4177.4-1994. It must comply but doesn’t “have” to be stamped as such - but you’ll have to prove it complies.

2.5T to 3.5T two safety chains each meeting standard or designation of 3500kg

Shackles also have to meet thes requirements but in the VSB there is no reference to them being rated or standardised BUT how do you know their strength without a rating. Note that there needs to be no deformation or bending up to this load limit.

1.5x9.8xATM

So let’s say an ATM of 1995kg (just under breakaway brake requirements) shackles and chain must NOT deform with a load of 29,400N

This does not take into account WLL or safety factors but since lifting gear uses a 6x WLL factor


A simple 0.5T “rated” WLL shackle should have a deformation limit of 29,400N. Now that shackle will have a 13mm pin and a 0.75T WLL shackle only runs a 13.5mm pin. I’d run a 0.75T WLL for a little headspace.


So although the legislation does not state you need to use a painted yellow rated shackle, it is incumbent on you as the operator to prove that the shackle you use is capable of withstanding 29,400N (for an up to 2T ATM trailer)

The easiest way to make that proof is using a rated shackle!

Now the chains, that’s easy! A Simple tiny 6mm grade 80 chain has a WLL of 1.1T. 6mm chain won’t eat a 13mm pin! Pretty much any chain that can fit a 13mm shackle pin will be wayyyy over rated for an up to 2T trailer.





Vehicle Standards Bulletin 1
Note Manufacturers should consider the merits of including a parking brake function when designing the braking system. ADR 38/03 clause 8 and 14 provides guidance for parking brake systems.

16. DRAWBARS, SAFETY CHAINS, SAFETY CHAIN ATTACHMENTS AND COUPLINGS
16.1Drawbars
Drawbars must be securely attached to a substantial portion of the trailer.
Drawbars must withstand the following forces applied at the centre of the intended coupling without detachment or any distortion or failure, which will affect the safe drawing of the towed trailer:
Longitudinal tension and compression (N) 1.5 x 9.81 x ATM (kg)
Transverse thrust (N) 0.5 x 9.81 x ATM (kg)
Vertical tension and compression for rigid drawbar trailer (N) 0.5 x 9.81 x ATM (kg) (For further information, refer to ADR 62/01 clause 14)
16.2Drawbar Safety Chains
All pig trailers with rigid drawbars (with or without breakaway brakes – but excluding converter dollies) and, any other trailer without breakaway brakes, must be fitted with safety chains that are marked in accordance with the relevant Australian Standard and (or cables as applicable) complying with the following:
trailers that do not exceed 2.5 tonnes ATM must have at least one safety chain complying with Australian Standard AS 4177.4-1994 or Australian Standard AS 4177.4-2004 ‘Caravan and light trailer towing components – Part 4: Safety chains up to 3500kg capacity’, or be a safety cable with a certified load capacity of the same;
trailers over 2.5 tonnes and not exceed 3.5 tonnes ATM must have two safety chains of designation of 3500 kg complying with Australian Standard AS 4177.4-1994 or Australian Standard AS 4177.4–2004; trailers over 3.5 tonnes ATM must have two safety chains made from steel of a minimum 800 MPa breaking stress that conforms to the mechanical properties of Grade T chain as specified in Australian Standard AS 2321-1979 ‘Short Link Chain for Lifting Purposes (non calibrated) or Australian Standard AS 2321–2006 Short Link Chain for Lifting Purposes. Each chain must be sized such that the minimum breaking load exceeds the ATM.
(For further information, refer to ADR 62/01 clause 14)
16.3 Drawbar Safety Chain Attachment Points
Safety chain attachment points are the means by which the safety chains are attached to the drawbar. These points must be located as near as practicable to the tow coupling. Where two points of attachment are required, they must be mounted one on either side of the centreline of the drawbar.
Each safety chain attachment point must be capable of withstanding the following minimum forces without incurring either any residual deformation that would interfere or degrade the function of the assembly, or any breaks, cracks or separation of components:
VSB 1 – Revision 5 Page 27 of 40 June 2009


Caution
welding.
Safety chains, which have the mechanical T grade property, are not suitable for


Vehicle Standards Bulletin 1
Longitudinal tension and compression (N) 1.5 x 9.81 x ATM (in kg) Vertical tension and compression (N) 0.5 x 9.81 x ATM (in kg).
(For further information, refer to ADR 62/01 clause 14)

Caution Load levelling bars should only be used with towbars designed for load levelling. Very high forces can be generated when the vehicle and trailer combination travels through dips in the roadway. These high forces may exceed the design limits of the towbar and or its mountings.


Caution Drawbar safety chain attachment points should not come into contact with the road surface when the trailer is disconnected.

[W&KO]

Very comprehensive....a good guide.

[gromit]

Unlike vehicle registration standards which can vary on year of production, these standards are legislated for ALL trailers



I cannot find any reference to these standards being fully retrospective.

VSB1 seems to be for new trailers or imported trailers and is self regulating !

The standards are based on the ADRs but are simpler and more practical to use. They offer a low-cost alternative, by eliminating the need for some of the more expensive forms of vehicle testing and evidence that are required under the ADRs.
Road trailers that meet the standards of this bulletin do not need to be certified by the Australian Government, and do not need to be issued with an identification plate or a used import plate. That is, manufacturers and importers are exempt from the need to apply to the Australian Government and submit detailed evidence based on the ADRs.

Rather, manufacturers and importers merely need to seek road registration from the relevant State or Territory registering authority. It is the responsibility of the manufacture or importer to ensure that the trailer meets the standards as set out in this bulletin.


Colin

[Homestar]

I cannot find any reference to these standards being fully retrospective.

VSB1 seems to be for new trailers or imported trailers and is self regulating !

The standards are based on the ADRs but are simpler and more practical to use. They offer a low-cost alternative, by eliminating the need for some of the more expensive forms of vehicle testing and evidence that are required under the ADRs.
Road trailers that meet the standards of this bulletin do not need to be certified by the Australian Government, and do not need to be issued with an identification plate or a used import plate. That is, manufacturers and importers are exempt from the need to apply to the Australian Government and submit detailed evidence based on the ADRs.

Rather, manufacturers and importers merely need to seek road registration from the relevant State or Territory registering authority. It is the responsibility of the manufacture or importer to ensure that the trailer meets the standards as set out in this bulletin.


Colin

While not retrospective for existing registered trailers, there are certain requirements that are retrospective to older trailers and vans that are being re registered. Only lighting and reflectors though as far as VicRoads are concerned - they will make you upgrade and old van, etc to new requirements - had this twice, but easy and cheap fixes, nothing else seems to bother them.

[goingbush]

some stencil work & voila , Trailer can officially carry 2200kg , that should keep plod happy

http://goingbush.com/AULRO/trailer5.jpg

Okiedoke, mods done ,

http://goingbush.com/AULRO/trailer4.jpg

Lightweight is sitting in the forward 109 position, old image in inset picture shows original position. Now instead of the 109 rear wheel sitting right on the rear edge its will now be about 450mm forward of rear edge, much better & safer in terms of weight distribution.

I think I'll have issues reversing around corners, in terms of crunching the front of the 109 on the trucks spare wheels, I'll have to be very careful and take small bites at backing into position to unload.

Garage ramps are better than trailer ramps as lighter and less unladen weight, can keep them in the truck. (the lightweight can just drive up without them )

Bad idea leaving the spare wheel there, need to unload to access it, not thought out too well !!


http://goingbush.com/AULRO/trailer3.jpg

[roverrescue]

Looks solid GB and I’m sure you’ll be fine now

I like your choice of max load
Like a good lawyer be vague !!!
I guess only issue is that assuming you mean ATM of 2500kg you now need break-away brakes in every Aus jurisdiction???

I’m sure you could argue on previously registered trailers not having to meet VSB1 but since it is so friggen easy to make reflectors / lighting and chains / hitches meet VSB1 I’m not really sure why you wouldn’t.

Also not sure how your rego works but in Qld ATM is stated on the document so a stencilled loaf rating is irrelevant if the plates are for a registered ATM of 2000kg?

S

[goingbush]

I had previously fitted 4x electric brakes and a breakaway setup. How I came about the 2200kg figure is from
the trailer having 2 x 45mm square Axles , Trailer catalogue says 45mm = 1500kg so Im guessing 3000 kg ATM less ~800kg = 2200 kg Load . ( trailer is more like 700kg but i left room for error)

[gromit]

some stencil work & voila , Trailer can officially carry 2200kg , that should keep plod happy



All those mods to collect a bargain, we've all been there.......

Looking good.




I’m sure you could argue on previously registered trailers not having to meet VSB1 but since it is so friggen easy to make reflectors / lighting and chains / hitches meet VSB1 I’m not really sure why you wouldn’t.



Why spend extra time & money to replace parts when it's not needed ?




Colin

[roverrescue]

Understood your self declaring a 3000kg ATM and by the sounds of it would likely meet VSB1 (apart from Bunnings safety chain !!!! )
But what does your rego say?
Is ATM declared on rego and compliance plate on trailer or is that a Qld thing.

Oh and as to why changing things to meet the standard even if it seems excessive - so as NOT to draw undue attention. Why give mr plod the chance to start looking at compliance plates etc because interest was piqued by the lights being too high/low/narrow???

Now when it comes to actual mechanical strength - that is one thing I wouldn’t compromise on

[gromit]

Oh and as to why changing things to meet the standard even if it seems excessive - so as NOT to draw undue attention. Why give mr plod the chance to start looking at compliance plates etc because interest was piqued by the lights being too high/low/narrow???


So I'll make it comply to a VSB it doesn't need to comply with ?
Well actually it needs to comply with the ADR's not a Bulletin.

I tend to use rated shackles now because they are so cheap ( Chinese rated shackles, now there's a whole separate discussion !).


Colin

[roverrescue]

Semantics
VSB1 refers to all relevant ADRs within its text

Each to their own

In any case I’m sure GB will be fine

[goingbush]

Understood your self declaring a 3000kg ATM and by the sounds of it would likely meet VSB1 (apart from Bunnings safety chain !!!! )
But what does your rego say?
Is ATM declared on rego and compliance plate on trailer or is that a Qld thing.

Trailer Rego certificate has no detail just the chassis number & "1980 H Made Trailer" , interestingly the rego certificate for my Caravan shows "GVM 1790kg" ( i'm sure its way over that) , they are both $59.00

no compliance plate as it was built before those were necessary

[roverrescue]

Reckon your probably in the clear
I just checked on VicRoads
They have no distinction on trailer size just a simple flat rate for all trailers irrespective of GTM
Fee is only $60.50

Qld is ridiculous up to 750kg is about $300,000, 750 to 2000kg is donation of a kidney. Over 2000kg is kidney and your left nut!

[Homestar]

Yep, no issues for a Vic registered trailer and that meets all the requirements it needs to then some.

[mick88]

This might be of interest.
It is from the NSW Police News website and lists the offences a driver has been charged with following a single vehicle accident earlier this year.

About 1.30pm on Thursday 3 January 2019, a Toyota Prado towing a caravan was travelling on the Oxley Highway about 45km east of Walcha, when it struck an Armco railing and a tree.
The front seat passenger, a 72-year-old woman, and rear seat passenger, a 38-year-old man, sustained fatal injuries and died at the scene.
The driver, a 58-year-old man, and a 38-year-old female backseat passenger, were taken to Tamworth Base Hospital with non-life threatening injuries.
Following investigations by police from Northern Tableland Crash Investigation Unit, the driver was charged with eight offences being:


Do Act etc Intending to Pervert the Course of Justice,
Dangerous Driving Occasioning Death (x2),
Negligent Driving Occasioning Death,
Dangerous Driving Occasioning GBH,
Negligent Driving Occasioning GBH,
Towed vehicle weight exceeds capacity of towing attachment,
Towed vehicle weight exceeds maximum laden weight.

His licence was suspended, and he was granted conditional bail to appear at Tamworth Local Court on Monday 29 July 2019


Cheers, Mick.

[DiscoMick]

I've learned a lot reading this thread. Thanks all.

[gromit]

I've learned a lot reading this thread. Thanks all.

I think it sums up how people can interpret rules differently, that includes the policeman who pulls you up for not having a 'yellow' shackle.

I did an online rego check of one of my trailers and it doesn't throw up the ATM or any real information apart from the chassis number and compliance plate date but the police may be able to get much more info. Plus they will be looking for the compliance plate.

My box trailer comes up as manufactured in 1931 ?! I've never been game to take it up with VicRoads because it will cause a whole heap of pain......probably only a typo but it shouldn't have to comply with any ADR's !


Colin

[Homestar]

My Van was registered as 'Year - 1900'. They used to do all sorts of strange stuff. Easy fixed when I bought it and re registered it. New VIN, they accepted my day so on year and ATM as there was no compliance plate, which wasn't needed until the mid 80's or thereabouts.

[donh54]

Like all bureaucracies, it depends who you talk to.

Rang the TMR a while back, when a Range Rover was listed on the rego renewal form as a Discovery. Bloke on the phone was insisting that it needed to be de-registered, inspected for any evidence of re-birthing, then a whole new rego entry created, which meant RWC inspection, etc.

Down at the local TMR office, I mentioned it to the lass behind the counter. She asked for the rego number, a few clicks later, she says "Oh, I see what's happened." Apparently in their drop-down boxes, directly above "Land Rover Range Rover", is "Land Rover Discovery", two minutes later, she said, "All fixed, the new rego papers will arrive within a week or two." Amazing!! [thumbsupbig]

[p38arover]

There was an article in the RACV magazine some years back that stated a rated shackle isn't a legal requirement.
Is there anything in writing that states they are needed ??

Mind you, they are so cheap that you'd be foolish to not fit them and attract the attention of the police anyway.


FYI, rated shackles are half the price at Bunnings cf. SuperCrap. Ask me how I know. [bigsad]

[DiscoMick]

Like all bureaucracies, it depends who you talk to.

Rang the TMR a while back, when a Range Rover was listed on the rego renewal form as a Discovery. Bloke on the phone was insisting that it needed to be de-registered, inspected for any evidence of re-birthing, then a whole new rego entry created, which meant RWC inspection, etc.

Down at the local TMR office, I mentioned it to the lass behind the counter. She asked for the rego number, a few clicks later, she says "Oh, I see what's happened." Apparently in their drop-down boxes, directly above "Land Rover Range Rover", is "Land Rover Discovery", two minutes later, she said, "All fixed, the new rego papers will arrive within a week or two." Amazing!! [thumbsupbig]Last time I renewed my licence I asked the woman what the S symbol on it meant. She said it meant spectacles. I said I didnt normally wear or need spectacles to drive and only wore glasses occasionally because they were tinted and reduced glare. She deleted the S on the spot.
Incidentally my eyes have been tested when buying new glasses, so I wasn't just making that up.

[gromit]

FYI, rated shackles are half the price at Bunnings cf. SuperCrap. Ask me how I know. [bigsad]

They are neither 'super' or 'cheap' so how do they get away with the name ?

Colin

[goingbush]

Well that worked, tows like a dream , 110kmh no drama, 850km there & back so just drove in the driveway & parked it , will try reversing around a corner tomorrow.

http://goingbush.com/AULRO/trailer6.jpg

[modman]

Don, just watch those welds on the top of the drawbar.
i just repaired mine because a friend thought he’d strengthen this area by welding across the top of the drawbar as it passes under the first crossmember. Of course it created a stress raiser and started to crack through.
it was stored at his work because I didn’t have room at the time. A new drawbar fixed by me solved the problem.
i would just watch it that’s all, I learnt the hard way about welding across the top of a stressed member😒😒😒
Nice find on the s111’s👌👌👌