XLifter vs Llams

[Oztourer]

I’ve read many great things about the Llams kit and it’s on my long term shopping list however there is a new(ish) kid on the block from Europe - the XLifter. Does anyone here have one installed and are these things “worth” paying $300 more for compared to Llams?

XLifter | Self-levelling Air Suspension Controller for Land Rovers Discovery and Range Rovers (https://www.xlifter.com/)

[DieselLSE]

Llams to me is sort of like having a winch. You only need to use it occasionally, but gee! it's handy when you need it. I wouldn't go bush without a winch and I feel the same about Llams although it's also handy around town. XLifter looks good, but I suspect you'd be tempted to play with it a bit too much, although the self-levelling feature looks neat. The nice thing about Llams is it's hidden until you need it.

[Disco-tastic]

It depends on whether the extra control is worth it for you. Generally the llams presets are enough and i cant think of a specific situation where that finer control would be required. The self levelling feature is the most appealing extra to me, even id i wouldnt use it all the time.

Llams is a very factory looking install and has some features beyond just changing the height of your vehicle.

Let us know which way you go.

[Chops]

I use llams a fair bit, especially when hooking and unhooking trailers etc. also due to a bad back, it makes life easy to dump it on its guts to get in and out.
I think for the sake of getting out and putting a lump of wood if needed under a wheel is a whole lot cheaper than a self levelling tool. If I had RTT, then perhaps I might think about it.

[Narangga]

I’ve read many great things about the Llams kit and it’s on my long term shopping list however there is a new(ish) kid on the block from Europe - the XLifter. Does anyone here have one installed and are these things “worth” paying $300 more for compared to Llams?

XLifter | Self-levelling Air Suspension Controller for Land Rovers Discovery and Range Rovers (https://www.xlifter.com/)

I have not heard of them and have Llams installed. To turn the question around, if you pay $300 more (and it does what it says it does) will you be getting the benefit you want out of it?

I have a Nanocom and Llams - if I was starting again I would get the IID Tool as one thing does both and has Bluetooth connectivity. However, to each his own and happy researching.

[cripesamighty]

My first thought was that this setup would be great when you have a rooftop tent. You can be less concerned about the ground not being completely level as the car can sort out any discrepancies.

[Redback]

I can't see $300 worth of benefits with this Xlifter device unless you plan on camping on the side of a hill every time you go away:eek2:

I have had my LLAMS for over 8yrs now and it's been great, and the best part is Graeme the owner and maker of the LLAMS device, great after sales service and a bloody nice bloke too, and you are supporting local business.

The D4 does self level itself to a point anyway.

[jon3950]

Never had Llams, but +1 on Graeme - top bloke.

Cheers,
Jon

[Graeme]

Is this my wake? Thanks people for your kind words.

I had a half-hearted attempt at making the vehicle lean left or right to lean away from a wall or embankment but couldn't get the suspension to move.

[Patty]

I have the Xlifter. I am very happy with it. I went out on a limb and was the first person in Australia to get the Xlifter. JAN (the developer) offers very good customer support. I have messaged him many times.
I negotiated a good price. Why not have way more control of your suspension. I would recommend the Xlifter.

[Patty]

I have the Xlifter. I am very happy with it. I went out on a limb and was the first person in Australia to get the Xlifter. JAN (the developer) offers very good customer support. I have messaged him many times.
I negotiated a good price. Why not have way more control of your suspension. I would highly recommend the Xlifter.

[loanrangie]

I have the Xlifter. I am very happy with it. I went out on a limb and was the first person in Australia to get the Xlifter. JAN (the developer) offers very good customer support. I have messaged him many times.
I negotiated a good price. Why not have way more control of your suspension. I would highly recommend the Xlifter.If it works for you and does what you need then it's good, I don't see the value for the extra cost myself.

[W&KO]

I have the Xlifter. I am very happy with it. I went out on a limb and was the first person in Australia to get the Xlifter. JAN (the developer) offers very good customer support. I have messaged him many times.
I negotiated a good price. Why not have way more control of your suspension. I would highly recommend the Xlifter.

The extra function of leveling would be handy for those with RTT’s.

I currently manually level quite often when we are on the road. When I go to air bags all round I’m getting a level function added for getting the perfectly level bed. I reckon the extra dollars is worth it on $20k car.

[Tombie]

Dragging this one up again...

I have Llams, and Now I also have an Xlifter... Jan was friendly and open and we had quite a long chat about the aim of his product.
I've acquired [wink11] one of his units and will drop it in and see how it goes. It does have a blue glow to it - and I like shiny things [bigsmile]

I must state - Llams has been totally fault free in 9 years and used regularly. I just like to try new stuff and compare.

[loanrangie]

Need a home for the lonely Llams unit then [wink11].

[Tombie]

Need a home for the lonely Llams unit then [wink11].

Already have one; like your enthusiasm though [bigsmile]

[INter674]

So cost appears to be around a grand..512 pounds plus freight?

[Stuart02]

So cost appears to be around a grand..512 pounds plus freight?495 euros (AUD810) plus 10 euros postage

[CraigE]

Mike,
Let me know your thoughts on the X Lifter. Looks a little better than the LLAMS kit. One is on my list in the next couple of months along with triple battery kit and Gap II tool with remap and egr delete.
Cheers
Craig

Dragging this one up again...

I have Llams, and Now I also have an Xlifter... Jan was friendly and open and we had quite a long chat about the aim of his product.
I've acquired [wink11] one of his units and will drop it in and see how it goes. It does have a blue glow to it - and I like shiny things [bigsmile]

I must state - Llams has been totally fault free in 9 years and used regularly. I just like to try new stuff and compare.

[WADISCO4]

Dragging this one up again...

I have Llams, and Now I also have an Xlifter... Jan was friendly and open and we had quite a long chat about the aim of his product.
I've acquired [wink11] one of his units and will drop it in and see how it goes. It does have a blue glow to it - and I like shiny things [bigsmile]

I must state - Llams has been totally fault free in 9 years and used regularly. I just like to try new stuff and compare.


Hi Tombie,

Fairly new to this, but definitely looking at a lift for both practical and aesthetic reasons (feel like ill get roasted for that comment!). Have you driven extensively with a lift at high way speeds and around town? I think the X lifter may be better equipped for this, but would rather support LLAMS. I spoke to someone with the X Lifter who always keeps it 1" up as the default regardless of usage and then raises/lowers as required.

Both seem better for the car's longevity then using GOE or Johnson Rods?

Cheers,
James

[Tombie]

Why the heck would I want to drive with it lifted for normal use? [emoji41]

No, I don’t drive lifted unless offroad.
It Burns more fuel,
It’s less stable especially if you need to swerve.
Unless aligned at lift will chop tyres,

As for aesthetics - it’s a Land Rover, not some naff GU. [emoji48]

Either unit will suit your use.

[scarry]

And the ride quality lifted is also not good.

[DiscoDB]

And the ride quality lifted is also not good.

Funny - with the D3 I actually prefer the ride quality when the height is raised.

[Tombie]

Funny - with the D3 I actually prefer the ride quality when the height is raised.

Original struts?

[DiscoDB]

Original struts?

Yep - and now approaching 160K so definitely due for replacement.

But even when I first bought the car, back at 90K, coming from a D2 with ACE I always found the D3 ride too soft - more D1/RRC like which was LR’s intention with the D3.

I am hoping a set of D4 struts will also make it firmer.

[Tombie]

Yep - and now approaching 160K so definitely due for replacement.

But even when I first bought the car, back at 90K, coming from a D2 with ACE I always found the D3 ride too soft - more D1/RRC like which was LR’s intention with the D3.

I am hoping a set of D4 struts will also make it firmer.

They will, and that would be why you like the firmer ride on the D3 originals when lifted.