Out of Date Tyres

[Bigbjorn]

A friend from Kansas City sent me an e-mail to tell me he had a crash on I80 near Des Moines on his way home from the Miller-Offy Club meet at Milwaukee. He said he was doing the speed limit 80 mph, with the cruise control set and overtaking a Lincoln Navigator when the Lincoln blew out a front tyre, turned 90 degrees left into the side of Ken's ford pickup resulting in a wild out of control ride down the median riding the crash cable and between the two of them taking out 3/8 mile of support posts. To his surprise the Highway Patrol gave him a ticket for out of date tyres. The date stamp says they are 9+ years old. Michelin with 50% tread left. He had never before heard of such a regulation.

This begs the question. Do we have such a rule here in Oz?

[V8Ian]

We do, over five years is a RWC failure. I don't know if you can be booked or defected at other times.

[p38arover]

We do, over five years is a RWC failure. I don't know if you can be booked or defected at other times.

Never heard of any of that.

[W&KO]

Never heard of any of that.

A quick search doesn’t bring up anything.

Repairing, Replacing and Caring for Your Tyres - RACQ (https://www.racq.com.au/cars-and-driving/products-and-services/tyres/tyre-faqs)

Manufacturers and industry mention 5-6 years....

[Eevo]

A quick search doesn’t bring up anything.

Repairing, Replacing and Caring for Your Tyres - RACQ (https://www.racq.com.au/cars-and-driving/products-and-services/tyres/tyre-faqs)

Manufacturers and industry mention 5-6 years....


from the link


Can a tyre be too old?
Some industry experts suggest that worn out or not, a tyre may have passed its useful life after about five years, however this is not recognised in law. A production date code is moulded into the tyre sidewall. A tyre dealer can assist with interpreting the code.

[ChookD2]

Just had a look throught the Information Sheets for vehicle inspections from the TMR QLD site and Information Sheet No. 15 cover tyres. This only discusses condition e.g. cracking, tread depth etc. It does mention there is no legislation covering date at this time as there are too many variables but also states that tyres over 5 years old should be inspected by a "tyre professional".

[p38arover]

We do, over five years is a RWC failure.

For trucks, maybe? Although, how many heavy haulage trucks would get 5 years from a tyre?

[V8Ian]

For trucks, maybe? Although, how many heavy haulage trucks would get 5 years from a tyre?
We can only dream.[biggrin]

[Homestar]

Some tyre centres try this on now if you take a tyre in for repair - happened to my neighbour when she did this. They said it was ‘out of date’ and she would need to replace all 4 tyres - she called me and I told her to hand the phone over to whoever was telling her this - I set him straight pretty quick and he said ‘It was a recommendation only’ but my neighbour said they didn’t want to give her car back until she agreed to buy a new set of tyres. Bloody thieves IMO.

[scarry]

We can only dream.[biggrin]

So use the cheap Chinese ones?[thumbsupbig][biggrin][biggrin]

[V8Ian]

So use the cheap Chinese ones?[thumbsupbig][biggrin][biggrin]
Cheap Chinese ones have virtually put retreaders out of business. They rarely fail, on the original tread, saving mudguards, lights and hardware. It would take a brave man to retread the case though.
Funnily, the Whoflungdungbrands come and go regularly. Often a new brand will get phenomenally high mileage, for the cost, but once word has got around, the quality has fallen away and a new brand comes out, no doubt from the same factory.

[scarry]

Cheap Chinese ones have virtually put retreaders out of business. They rarely fail, on the original tread, saving mudguards, lights and hardware. It would take a brave man to retread the case though.
Funnily, the Whoflungdungbrands come and go regularly. Often a new brand will get phenomenally high mileage, for the cost, but once word has got around, the quality has fallen away and a new brand comes out, no doubt from the same factory.

Was only stirring.[biggrin]

They are often also named close to the supposedly quality product.
In East Africa many run a tyre called Goodride.
It’s a really good copy of BFG Goodridge,but a lot cheaper.

[pop058]

I bought a D1 (as you do [biggrin]) a few year back basically sight unseen but with an RWC. The deal was done and $ paid. The P.O. took it it in for the roady and was told they would not sign off on the 6 year old tyres. Despite their protests about the legalities, the roady guy did not care. He was not going to sign the RWC without new tyres. They got held to ransom and I got new boots.

[DiscoMick]

Was only stirring.[biggrin]

They are often also named close to the supposedly quality product.
In East Africa many run a tyre called Goodride.
It’s a really good copy of BFG Goodridge,but a lot cheaper.
Goodrides are being fitted to some camper trailers sold here. They seem okay.

[V8Ian]

They're still good value Paul, but I wouldn't fit them to the steer.

[ChookD2]

I fitted Goodride AT's to my D2, 235/85/16. I rotate them when it gets a service (incl the spare) and I haven't had a problem with them, done about 30,000 km now, wearing quite well should get another 30 out of them at the very least.

[V8Ian]

I bought a D1 (as you do [biggrin]) a few year back basically sight unseen but with an RWC. The deal was done and $ paid. The P.O. took it it in for the roady and was told they would not sign off on the 6 year old tyres. Despite their protests about the legalities, the roady guy did not care. He was not going to sign the RWC without new tyres. They got held to ransom and I got new boots.
Did you get to keep the old ones?

[pop058]

Did you get to keep the old ones?

Nah, all happened before I picked it up. They were BFGs, so would have been nice

[Homestar]

I bought a D1 (as you do [biggrin]) a few year back basically sight unseen but with an RWC. The deal was done and $ paid. The P.O. took it it in for the roady and was told they would not sign off on the 6 year old tyres. Despite their protests about the legalities, the roady guy did not care. He was not going to sign the RWC without new tyres. They got held to ransom and I got new boots.

Nice when it goes that way and you win out of it, but if I was the seller I would have threatened to report them to the rego authority. In Vic, VicRoads love taking RWC places to task about incorrectly conducting one. I take a copy of the RWC requirements from the VicRoads website when I get a car done - if they fail something like that, I ask them to point out where it says it’s a fail on the test. Have had quite a few things retracted after a polite discussion usually ending ‘I’ll call VicRoads and check that’.

[goingbush]

Speaking of cheap Chinese tyres, I bought a set of 5 x Evergreen ES89 LT 215-85R16 from Tyroola @ $75 each , Whole set including delivery $445, ive only had them a few months & a few thousand km , but jeez I'm impressed , I can't fault them , Better in the slippery stuff than the luggy tyres I had on before too.

Why risk driving on old tyres or retreads when these are so cheap.

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[Stuck]

I replaced all 5 tyres on my D2 at a Bob Jane store. The spare was still at about 90% so I took a spare rim from my old 4runner work pig to get the good tyre swapped over which they subsequently declined to do as the tyre was over 8 years old. Fair call I suppose given that everyone needs to cover their butt these days.

[350RRC]

The tyres on my MF 165 were most likely made around 1967 (only has 1400hrs on it) and they're still pretty good. :cool:

DL

[Bigbjorn]

Some tyre centres try this on now if you take a tyre in for repair - happened to my neighbour when she did this. They said it was ‘out of date’ and she would need to replace all 4 tyres - she called me and I told her to hand the phone over to whoever was telling her this - I set him straight pretty quick and he said ‘It was a recommendation only’ but my neighbour said they didn’t want to give her car back until she agreed to buy a new set of tyres. Bloody thieves IMO.

My local Bob Jane refused to repair a flat tyre as it was "unevenly worn" and "almost down to the wear buttons". It was not near the wear buttons. Now I don't pay for expensive high performance tyres to throw them away half worn. I had not repaired a tyre myself for probably thirty years. I went home and used my hydraulic press to break the bead, checked the inside and fitted a plug. Back on the rim and used a die grinder and a v-shaped small wheel to remove the wear buttons. Got another 12,000 k's out of it and the rest of the set. I sorted out the uneven wear by spinning the tyres left to right on the rim and wearing out the thicker side. I now wish I hadn't sold my regrooving iron.

[jonesfam]

I have just ordered new tyres for my box trailer.
The tyres have plenty of tread & look fine but have been on the trailer for 10 years & were near new second hand when they went on.
So, I just don't trust them any more & with tyres trust & confidence means more than saving a few bob.

Jonesfam
PS And changing tyres on a roadside is a pain.

[rar110]

Speaking of cheap Chinese tyres, I bought a set of 5 x Evergreen ES89 LT 215-85R16 from Tyroola @ $75 each , Whole set including delivery $445, ive only had them a few months & a few thousand km , but jeez I'm impressed , I can't fault them , Better in the slippery stuff than the luggy tyres I had on before too.

Why risk driving on old tyres or retreads when these are so cheap.

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/59606505_2191598594255252_4196890906047021056_o.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQnK3EtaFwPecbue6q5L8Iwph5EUiFE2HUyE4yZvGpV Cg1t7CB45scHoXyKq_vzpJlM&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=0f5e600166372f9210d1cce8e388dbf0&oe=5DAA55D7

I had a similar experience with WinRun tyres.

[jonesfam]

Can you still buy Re-treads?
I thought that was a truck only thing these days.
Jonesfam

[rar110]

This thread is timely for me.

Yesterday I got a flat on one of my 235/85/16s Dunlop Silent Armors. They are about 10 years old and have been good.

I only got about 2 min down the road and heard/felt the flat tyre. Pulled over immediately. I was only going slow at the time, up hill approaching a roundabout.

I was surprised to see the tyre wall was badly cracked all the way around and tread started separating.

I suppose I put the condition down to age.

[Homestar]

Speaking of cheap Chinese tyres, I bought a set of 5 x Evergreen ES89 LT 215-85R16 from Tyroola @ $75 each , Whole set including delivery $445, ive only had them a few months & a few thousand km , but jeez I'm impressed , I can't fault them , Better in the slippery stuff than the luggy tyres I had on before too.

Why risk driving on old tyres or retreads when these are so cheap.



While I agree with most of what you’re saying, in some instances cheap and cheerful isn’t an option - like my 101. I’m not about to drop several thousand dollars every 5 years on that just to keep a tyre company happy and I haven’t found a set of cheap rubber that will fit the standard rims - there are some cheap options in 36 to 37” if you have the rim widened though but then steering becomes even harder and the turning circle is reduced. Also $400 can be quite a bit to some people so to those that struggle to keep a car on the road, they’ll want to wear a set out completely before buying another set at any price and not at a certain time interval. I do get your point though with so many option being available these days. 👍

[Saitch]

Last year I had a flat with an 8 year old tyre on the camper so I threw the spare on.
The photo is the 8 year old, never been used, still had the blue stripe around it, always covered, spare tyre after about 15 klm. This was on the Pacific H'way, northbound near Tugun. There was nowhere to pull off so I had to drive for about 2 klms with it.[bigsad]

When I checked the other camper tyre, there were stress marks on it as well. When it was removed from the wheel, on the inside of the sidewall were significant cracks, not visible externally. Admittedly we had travelled some pretty rocky and corrugated roads. (With lower tyre pressure)
Ended up having to buy 3 new tyres.
It wasn't as though the tyres had been sitting for any length of time as we use the camper regularly and have the stabilisers down when garaged.
Going by my experience, I'm of the opinion that age does matter.

[PhilipA]

Goodrides are made by one of the top 10 tyre manufacturers in the World.
After reading the reviews and doing some homework I intend to buy them next time.
After all Michelin, Goodyear etc are now made in Thailand or China.
if its good enough for Tvs STBs, phones, cameras, caravans , camper trailers ,washing machines, dishwashers ,etc it should be good enough for tyres.
Regards Philip A

[goingbush]

While I agree with most of what you’re saying, in some instances cheap and cheerful isn’t an option - like my 101. I’m not about to drop several thousand dollars every 5 years on that just to keep a tyre company happy and I haven’t found a set of cheap rubber that will fit the standard rims - there are some cheap options in 36 to 37” if you have the rim widened though but then steering becomes even harder and the turning circle is reduced. Also $400 can be quite a bit to some people so to those that struggle to keep a car on the road, they’ll want to wear a set out completely before buying another set at any price and not at a certain time interval. I do get your point though with so many option being available these days. 👍

I never let a tread depth go below 50%, tyres steering and brakes are all important as each other IMO. Have always replaced my tyres at around 5 years , worn or not . Esp on the Caravan.

I certainly would not spend Michelin $$ every 5 years but don't YellowSea make 255-100R16 (9.00-16 equiv) that will suit the 101 ?? Strangely , 37" tyres for the Iveco are not that expensive @ around $300 each. but I too throw them away well before due date ,
Mud Tyres 37X12.50R17 129Q Federal Couragia M/T Brand New Tyres 37 12.5 17 SALE | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mud-Tyres-37X12-50R17-129Q-Federal-Couragia-M-T-Brand-New-Tyres-37-12-5-17-SALE/223575862599)

Maybe i'm sounding like a ***** but I suppose if this is too expensive for some people they shouldn't buy this type of vehicle to begin with ?

[gromit]

Safety has to be considered but.........

I'm currently playing with 6 Land Rovers plus the daily driver.
The daily wears tyres out, if I followed the 5/6 year guideline I'd be replacing a set of tyres every year on a Land Rover or having one set of wheels & tyres I swapped around depending on what vehicle I was using. "just heading off to the shops, I'll leave in about 45 minutes once I've changed the wheels...."

Manufacturers are playing safe, no chance of someone coming after them if they clearly state 5/6 years life and a tyre fails after this time.

"if this is too expensive for some people they shouldn't buy this type of vehicle to begin with ?" Really ?
The tyres quite possibly don't need changing at 5 years anyway but it gives you peace of mind. If you can afford to prop up the local tyre fitters and the tyre industry that's up to you.

At the moment the law is quite clear and the 5/6 year replacement is just a guideline from the people who manufacture and sell tyres.


Colin

[Homestar]

Maybe i'm sounding like a ***** but I suppose if this is too expensive for some people they shouldn't buy this type of vehicle to begin with ?

Well I don’t think I’d call you that, or anything similar. 😊. I’m not even talking about 4wd but cars in general. Like a lot of decisions made from on high something like this would yet again see the lowest earning of the population hit the hardest if it were to be bought into law. Those that need a car for work and can barely keep it on the road. There are heaps out there in this position. 1 more regulation to make a corporation richer under the guise of safety to make the poor even poorer. Also, as Gromit says, with so many vehicles some of us have it would mean 1 or more sets of tyres a year to be purchased just to keep up when the tyres on the vehicles would be perfectly fine.

The XZL’s on my 101 are around 7 years old now and still in very good condition - no signs of cracking or fatigue in the walls. Not that I’d buy these - they were on the vehicle when I purchased it, but why throw out a perfectly good set of tyres that are worth so much just because someone with more money than me wants to make more money? Doesn’t pass the sniff test.

[DiscoMick]

How the tyres are used must make a difference. Rubber dries out in sunlight. If a vehicle is always garaged, does the school run and is parked in the shade, surely the tyres must last longer.
I have heard of people painting light oil on their tyres to make them last longer, but I don't know any details. You would have to be careful about what was in the oil or it could harm the rubber. Would something like lanolin or sunflower oil be the best choice? I don't know about this stuff.

[goingbush]

Safety has to be considered but.........

I'm currently playing with 6 Land Rovers plus the daily driver.
The daily wears tyres out, if I followed the 5/6 year guideline I'd be replacing a set of tyres every year on a Land Rover or having one set of wheels & tyres I swapped around depending on what vehicle I was using. "just heading off to the shops, I'll leave in about 45 minutes once I've changed the wheels...."

Manufacturers are playing safe, no chance of someone coming after them if they clearly state 5/6 years life and a tyre fails after this time.

"if this is too expensive for some people they shouldn't buy this type of vehicle to begin with ?" Really ?
The tyres quite possibly don't need changing at 5 years anyway but it gives you peace of mind. If you can afford to prop up the local tyre fitters and the tyre industry that's up to you.

At the moment the law is quite clear and the 5/6 year replacement is just a guideline from the people who manufacture and sell tyres.


Colin

Fair point, but yes If I couldn't afford the upkeep I wouldn't keep buying them. I know what its like I've got 4 registrations and recently bought another Series to put back one the road and just today another non LR classic thats going to need tyres , luckily I think those Evergreen 215/85R16 will fit on it.

Having said that ive only ever had one "blow out" in 40 yrs of driving and that was on the Caravan on a Toyo MT55F 235/85R16 barely 6 months / 15,000km old

[gromit]

How the tyres are used must make a difference. Rubber dries out in sunlight. If a vehicle is always garaged, does the school run and is parked in the shade, surely the tyres must last longer.
I have heard of people painting light oil on their tyres to make them last longer, but I don't know any details. You would have to be careful about what was in the oil or it could harm the rubber. Would something like lanolin or sunflower oil be the best choice? I don't know about this stuff.

I have tyres on a motorcycle combination that are at least 35 years old, no sign of cracking.
It was used on the road in the UK but has since been kept in the shed for years but I have a feeling rubber compounds have changed over the years. Direct sunlight and ozone exposure does shorten the life of rubber.

Rubber products used to last a long time but ozone cracking seems to happen a lot quicker nowadays. The aftermarket Land Rover prop shaft boots, handbrake lever boots and track rod end boots only last a few years before disintegrating. I guess this is due to manufacturing to a price point.

American product here How To Protect Your Tires From Cracking | Gold Eagle Co. (https://www.goldeagle.com/tips-tools/how-protect-your-tires-cracking/) claims to reduce the problem.
I wonder if ArmorAll has the same effect ? Maybe it does Protectant Archives - ARMOR ALL (https://www.armorall.com.au/product-types/protectant/)

Colin

[Homestar]

A cheap silicone spray tyre shine works well - I use this on all my tyres every 6 months so - even the caravan and trailer tyres.

[scarry]

A cheap silicone spray tyre shine works well - I use this on all my tyres every 6 months so - even the caravan and trailer tyres.

Makes them look good for a week or two as well[biggrin]

My father never put the spare on the bonnet of the S1,except when he needed the room in the back,such as on a trip.He reconed it perished very quickly on the bonnet.

FWIW,The two of them are in my avatar,fixing a tyre under a tree,somewhere in West Africa,using the engine as an air pump.We still have the air hose,and the S1.[thumbsupbig]

[RANDLOVER]

I have tyres on a motorcycle combination that are at least 35 years old, no sign of cracking.
It was used on the road in the UK but has since been kept in the shed for years but I have a feeling rubber compounds have changed over the years. Direct sunlight and ozone exposure does shorten the life of rubber...................
Colin

I notice that on my garage floor there are 4 brown stains where the Disco's tyres stop when parked, may be from oils or whatever leaching out. I don't remember this happening even years ago when I was a kid, and our cars were always kept undercover of a garage or at least a carport with hard floors, paving, concrete, etc. so I definitely think there has been some sort of change in the tyre compounds.

[DiscoMick]

A cheap silicone spray tyre shine works well - I use this on all my tyres every 6 months so - even the caravan and trailer tyres.Does tyre shine actually do anything to condition the rubber, or is it like most shoe polishes which don't do anything to condition leather, but just put a shine on top?
I was thinking sunflower oil or lanolin might actually moisten the rubber. Obviously you would have to do both sides of the tyre too.
It shows how important it is to fit a tyre cover rather than leaving it exposed.

[goingbush]

Doing some work on the Caravan, put some Supercheap Auto tyre shine on they tyres on Friday Looked awesome , yesterday it was back to normal. looked at bottle it says ' keeps wet look twice as long' , Im thinking yep, twice as long as water !!

[goingbush]

Just bought this '49 Dodge , its got 215-85R16 tyres , little ripper . those $75 Evergreens are going straight on it.

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[rick130]

Double post

[rick130]

Does tyre shine actually do anything to condition the rubber, or is it like most shoe polishes which don't do anything to condition leather, but just put a shine on top?
I was thinking sunflower oil or lanolin might actually moisten the rubber. Obviously you would have to do both sides of the tyre too.
It shows how important it is to fit a tyre cover rather than leaving it exposed.Brake fluid.

It's what a lot of people used on the side wall way back when I raced.

Traction type compounds were a big no no on the tread area, durometer tests were often performed to make sure nothing had been used but brake fluid makes it look shiny and doesn't deteriorate the rubber and actually seems to help?

Silicone spray as mentioned would be ok, but I wouldn't trust the propellant as it's generally hydrocarbon based and you don't know what else has been added to the silicone

[V8Ian]

Just bought this '49 Dodge , its got 215-85R16 tyres , little ripper . those $75 Evergreens are going straight on it.

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More photos of the Pilothouse, please. [smilebigeye]

[DiscoMick]

Brake fluid.

It's what a lot of people used on the side wall way back when I raced.

Traction type compounds were a big no no on the tread area, durometer tests were often performed to make sure nothing had been used but brake fluid makes it look shiny and doesn't deteriorate the rubber and actually seems to help?

Silicone spray as mentioned would be ok, but I wouldn't trust the propellant as it's generally hydrocarbon based and you don't know what else has been added to the siliconeYes, it would be better to buy a bottle of it as a liquid and brush it on, I think.

[goingbush]

More photos of the Pilothouse, please. [smilebigeye]

Didn't know you were a fan, Bought for my wife who grew up with & learned to drive in this exact model, complete with stock cage. I dont have it home yet, Ive arranged a Classic Car carrier to pick it up from QLD & deliver to Yarrawonga, Its 25mm too wide to go on my trailer.

But heres some photos from the ad, you see why Ive purchased it sight unseen. Been looking for one this good for 25 years & Ive seen some rat infested heaps for not much less money.

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[workingonit]

Regarding our tyres I suspect we are victims of built in redundancy and our regulatory authorities fall for it.

Over the last 10 years I've had to replace 2 sets (10 including spares) of perfectly good looking 4x4 tyres while attempting to go on driving holidays - no cracks, 70% tread.

In each case the tread came away from the inner steel belt. When the first tyre went I got it replaced with new - then another 100kms on another went, then another. On the first complete change over the tyre guy said '...due to stone bruising...' - crap as the tyres had spent 99% of time on tar road. In each case there seemed to be rust on the steel belt.

East Germans were pushing a light bulb out to 2,000 hours plus because of scarcity of materials while the western manufacturers were trying to limit life to 1,000 hours for more sales. Pillows now come with a use by date. A prominent manufacturer of printers had a counter on the circuit board, once you got so many prints the chip shut the machine down as worn out. Outdoor chairs with no UV protection that last just a bit more than the 12month warranty. And so it goes...

Wonder why our landfills are stretched.

[Bigbjorn]

Didn't know you were a fan, Bought for my wife who grew up with & learned to drive in this exact model, complete with stock cage. I dont have it home yet, Ive arranged a Classic Car carrier to pick it up from QLD & deliver to Yarrawonga, Its 25mm too wide to go on my trailer.

But heres some photos from the ad, you see why Ive purchased it sight unseen. Been looking for one this good for 25 years & Ive seen some rat infested heaps for not much less money.

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Well done. Very nice 70 year old truck. Where did you find it I have been looking out for a good tidy one for years.

[DiscoMick]

Mattresses only last 10 years, according to a saleswoman from Snooze.


Regarding our tyres I suspect we are victims of built in redundancy and our regulatory authorities fall for it.

Over the last 10 years I've had to replace 2 sets (10 including spares) of perfectly good looking 4x4 tyres while attempting to go on driving holidays - no cracks, 70% tread.

In each case the tread came away from the inner steel belt. When the first tyre went I got it replaced with new - then another 100kms on another went, then another. On the first complete change over the tyre guy said '...due to stone bruising...' - crap as the tyres had spent 99% of time on tar road. In each case there seemed to be rust on the steel belt.

East Germans were pushing a light bulb out to 2,000 hours plus because of scarcity of materials while the western manufacturers were trying to limit life to 1,000 hours for more sales. Pillows now come with a use by date. A prominent manufacturer of printers had a counter on the circuit board, once you got so many prints the chip shut the machine down as worn out. Outdoor chairs with no UV protection that last just a bit more than the 12month warranty. And so it goes...

Wonder why our landfills are stretched.

[grey_ghost]

Mick we don’t need to know about your bedroom antics! [emoji6]

[Hogarthde]

Gosh Ian, haven’t heard that since the great flood!
However I thought the original pilot house had only one rear window?
would that be the ‘poly ‘ engine ?

Looks to be in fine fettle, good find indeed

[goingbush]

Well done. Very nice 70 year old truck. Where did you find it I have been looking out for a good tidy one for years.

It was on Facebook Marketplace . Untapped resource . 1700km away though , still could not pass it up.

[goingbush]

Gosh Ian, haven’t heard that since the great flood!
However I thought the original pilot house had only one rear window?
would that be the ‘poly ‘ engine ?

Looks to be in fine fettle, good find indeed

Mentions the PilotHouse name here, 1948 - 1953 Dodge Truck VIN (http://dodgepilothouseclub.org/know/vin/model.htm)

[goingbush]

just found this old ad !

https://www.hcvc.com.au/forum/attachment/2912

[scarry]

just found this old ad !

https://www.hcvc.com.au/forum/attachment/2912

Reading that add about a seventy year old vehicle,seems it was probably better sealed for wet weather than a 6 yr old Defender[bighmmm]

[Hogarthde]

Love these adds......noticed it specified ‘new rear quarter windows’, so did the original pilot house only have the one as I thought , or does it mean “ new” as in it differs from earlier models?
And we won’t even start the Fargo, Dodge , Maple Leaf , Chevrolet discourse.

still no mention of the poly engine in those adds, perhaps I am dreaming, Again.

[Bigbjorn]

Reading that add about a seventy year old vehicle,seems it was probably better sealed for wet weather than a 6 yr old Defender[bighmmm]

And plenty of parts readily available for them through Dodge and associated Chrysler Corp clubs and aftermarket suppliers in the USA. Even speed equipment such as high comp. cylinder heads and pistons multi -carburetor manifolds and exhaust headers. Get a Hemmings Motor News and look at all the ads. Try that at your Land Rover dealer. My local one won't stock parts for anything made before they got the franchise. Mind you Ford, Toyota, Honda and others declare any vehicle more than about 7-8 years old "obsolete" and don't stock parts.

[Bigbjorn]

It was on Facebook Marketplace . Untapped resource . 1700km away though , still could not pass it up.

If I had seen that I would have had it, not you.[happycry]

[Bigbjorn]

A friend from Kansas City sent me an e-mail to tell me he had a crash on I80 near Des Moines on his way home from the Miller-Offy Club meet at Milwaukee. He said he was doing the speed limit 80 mph, with the cruise control set and overtaking a Lincoln Navigator when the Lincoln blew out a front tyre, turned 90 degrees left into the side of Ken's ford pickup resulting in a wild out of control ride down the median riding the crash cable and between the two of them taking out 3/8 mile of support posts. To his surprise the Highway Patrol gave him a ticket for out of date tyres. The date stamp says they are 9+ years old. Michelin with 50% tread left. He had never before heard of such a regulation.

This begs the question. Do we have such a rule here in Oz?

An update. The car (Ford V10 pickup) was written off by the insurer. The crash was 110 miles east of Des Moines on I80. The insurer arranged towing into Des Moines but no further. Ken has bought the wreck at salvage value and needs to get it to Lee's Summit in Missouri to a smash repairer. He has arranged with an Omaha towie to pick it up when they have a truck returning to Omaha through Des Moines and bring it to KC via I80, Atlantic, Marysville, St. Jo. for a flat fee of $500. He says the towies are ethnic Hispanic and his 'phone screen should have sub-titles for dealing with them. I thought this was a bit rich coming from someone whose mid-west accent is sometimes so thick that the same could be said about him. He does have trouble with my Oz accent and idiom.

[workingonit]

Officer, officer! The banks just been robbed by someone driving a 70 year old Dodge "Pilot House". It may be hard to spot and catch though - it had no number plate - and was wearing date compliant tyres!

Nice find.

[Landy Smurf]

Last year I took my tyres on my Perentie to get swapped over with some newer 2nd hand ones.
The guy at the tyre place said I didn't have to and the tyres looked good on them.
I said while they have a decent amount of tread on them they are 9 years old and I want to swap them for these other ones which were just sitting in the shed which were 3 years old.
He tried to talk me out of it but I got it done anyway.
Fair to say I never went back there again.

[gromit]

He tried to talk me out of it but I got it done anyway.
Fair to say I never went back there again.

Why ?

He was probably trying to do the right thing by telling you there was no need to change them. Your call but most tyre places would be telling you that a much younger tyre needed changing so probably worth dealing with someone not just focused on generating sales.

The tyre guy I use will fit anything as long as its not perished or below the wear limit. He will bring to my attention the age but also asks how the vehicle will be used (daily driver, occasional Club outing etc.).


Colin

[Landy Smurf]

Why ?

He was probably trying to do the right thing by telling you there was no need to change them. Your call but most tyre places would be telling you that a much younger tyre needed changing so probably worth dealing with someone not just focused on generating sales.

The tyre guy I use will fit anything as long as its not perished or below the wear limit. He will bring to my attention the age but also asks how the vehicle will be used (daily driver, occasional Club outing etc.).


Colin

There were perish marks on the side too. I also recall a story of someone dying from a direct cause of the Perentie blew an old tyre on the road and rolled.
The main reason he didn't want to do it was that he had double booked and could not fit it in. I had to wait 4 hours longer to get it done which meant I was driving 5 hours in the dark to work the next day.

[gromit]

There were perish marks on the side too. I also recall a story of someone dying from a direct cause of the Perentie blew an old tyre on the road and rolled.
The main reason he didn't want to do it was that he had double booked and could not fit it in. I had to wait 4 hours longer to get it done which meant I was driving 5 hours in the dark to work the next day.

Different story if they were perished and he was double booked......

Colin

[Landy Smurf]

Different story if they were perished and he was double booked......

Colin

Yeah I probably should have mentioned that. The current tyres spent a lot of time out of the sun and will go past the 5 years ok.

[trout1105]

I would think that most people would wear their 4WD tyres out before they got too old and perished But for trailers and vans they seem to die of old age before they wear out, At least this has been my experience.
Tyres ARE an expensive item of maintenance But if they are buggered or on their way out for whatever reason be ti wear or age they NEED to be replaced, Not only for your own safety But also for the safety of the other road users and pedestrians.
With old tyres sure you can inspect the outside of the tyre for wear and cracking But unless you take the tyres off the rims you have NO idea of the condition of the inside of the tyre.
Personaĺly if I have any doubts whatsoever about a tyre I will replace it despite the pain inflicted on my wallet.
Sure I could run the gauntlet and take the risk by using suspect tyres But if someone gets injured or dies because of this I don't think I could live with that.

[goingbush]

I went to my local tyre place a few days ago to see if he had any 235-85R16 as I rotated the tyres on my caravan (they are on Defender rims) and found one with a split in the sidewall , he said "no thats not a common size, I'd have to order one in" This is a Farming community too, WTF , I told him its the most common 4x4 size , he said "Ive got news for you mate" - looked at his computer & said the Last one he ordered in was for a LandRover just over 2 years ago , looked at my car in his forecourt & he said , " & I think it was for you " [bigwhistle].

OK , I said I think they're getting a bit old, they're almost 5 years old , again looked at me like I was an idiot , he never heard of such a thing . Well I suppose he's not one for ripping customers off .

OTOH Ive started seeing parked up caravans lately with UV covers on the wheels .

What's the Point of Caravan Wheel Covers? (https://www.caravanrvcamping.com.au/blog/tips-blog/blog/whats-the-point-of-caravan-wheel-covers/)

[V8Ian]

235x16 is a bit of an odball size, ten years ago I had to settle for 225x16.

[superquag]

...... But for trailers and vans they seem to die of old age before they wear out, At least this has been my experience.
Tyres ARE an expensive item of maintenance But if they are buggered or on their way out for whatever reason be ti wear or age they NEED to be replaced, Not only for your own safety But also for the safety of the other road users and pedestrians.
.... But if someone gets injured or dies because of this I don't think I could live with that.

I had some near-new tyres/rims from a recent chariot and it was almost cheaper to buy new hubs etc for the trailer than to have them put onto the Holden 13" rims. Needed new bearings anyway...

- To replace the aged, but legal depth Olympic Air-Ride cross ply tyres. [biggrin]

[trout1105]

I had some near-new tyres/rims from a recent chariot and it was almost cheaper to buy new hubs etc for the trailer than to have them put onto the Holden 13" rims. Needed new bearings anyway...

- To replace the aged, but legal depth Olympic Air-Ride cross ply tyres. [biggrin]

I had a set of 4 tyres with 90% tread on them on a caravan I bought that lasted 800k's before 2 of them blew out and wreaked a mudguard and spat on the van in the process.
When I took the van in for a new set of tyres I was told the the ones on the van were 9 years old, So regardless of how good the tyres look age DOES matter.

[superquag]

Were they Australian manufactured tyres? - or "overseas" ? [bigwhistle]

I remember when Uniroyal and Esso branded steel belted radials were made in South Australia.

[DiscoClax]

We bought a caravan (our first) recently. Eleven years old, one fastidious owner, mint condition throughout. My boss had it made to his specs, but now he was upgrading. Original tyres on it. He brought it up to my place and I had the wheels off it that afternoon and down to my tyre guy the next morning for new rubber. Just not worth the risk, plus old tyres just don't grip as well and I really didn't want it to overtake me. The old tyres looked like new... from a couple of metres away. Get up really close and the sidewalls were heavily crazed. The spare matches but has been under a cover and never seen light. It's still like new so I didn't replace that. I took it in for a second opinion and the tyre guys confirmed it was fine. And from experience I know they heavily lean towards the safer option.

Having said that I have a set of muddies that go on the Disco for playtime that are about 7 years old. They get regularly checked and still look and feel good so they still get used.

I think an arbitrary age limit isn't sensible if you apply some common sense. There are twenty year old tyres that are fine and five year old ones that are dangerous.

[Tombie]

The majority of the degradation/ageing process is inside the rubber/steel. Not the outside.

I would never trust a tyre over 5 years old. There a NO safe 10+ year old tyres.

They don’t age well, and a hand print sized grip on the road is all we get.