what club

[muddymech]

thinking about joining a 4x4 club, what would you all recommend, had a chat with the range rover club but as i have 90 they seemed very unimpressed, go on guys give your club a shout and convince me which one is best.

[hiline]

Originally posted by muddymech
thinking about joining a 4x4 club, what would you all recommend, had a chat with the range rover club but as i have 90 they seemed very unimpressed, go on guys give your club a shout and convince me which one is best.

this one is the best 4wd club going around https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

once you've got a few guy's sorted from your state jobs done :wink:
far better than any paying 4wd club,well thats my thoughts anyhow

[p38arover]

Join us at the LROC. We meet at FiveDock.

Ace, Omaroo, Barney, RoverOne, et al are all members.

See http://www.lroc.com.au/

Ron

[disconut]

Originally posted by muddymech
thinking about joining a 4x4 club, what would you all recommend, had a chat with the range rover club but as i have 90 they seemed very unimpressed, go on guys give your club a shout and convince me which one is best.

8O 8O 8O

Uppity lot!! Just wait till they need a tow!

Trev.

[p38arover]

Only RRs and Discos are allowed in the RROC.

They even had a discussion recently whether the RR Sport was an acceptable vehicle. It is.

Ron

[disconut]

Originally posted by p38arover
Only RRs and Discos are allowed in the RROC.

They even had a discussion recently whether the RR Sport was an acceptable vehicle. It is.

Ron

So a Disco is to RR, as a Fender is to Disco?

Still and uppity lot in my books!

Trev.

[muddymech]

i was told the sport was allowed in, just after i had been told that commonality of parts was important for long distance touring, can not wait to fit a super charged beast into my 90.

[disconut]

Originally posted by muddymech
i was told the sport was allowed in, just after i had been told that commonality of parts was important for long distance touring, can not wait to fit a super charged beast into my 90.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Trev.

[Omaroo]

Originally posted by p38arover
Join us at the LROC. We meet at FiveDock.

Ace, Omaroo, Barney, RoverOne, et al are all members.

See http://www.lroc.com.au/

Ron
Hey there muddymech https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Ron's right.

My wife Jenny and I only recently joined the LROC Sydney Branch 4 months ago after purchasing our latest ride, a '00 110 Td5. Like any club, you can't just sit there and hope that you'll be accepted. You need to get involved. Given that, we've really found that the members of this club are deeply committed to the Land Rover marque, are very knowledgeable and are great fun out in the bush and at meetings. They aren't a club dominated by one model or another, and there are pretty good numbers representing RR's, Disco's, Defenders and Series vehicles. Ages are mixed too - but like any Land Rover club, there are a lot of older members - some of which have been in the club from the 60's when it was formed. It's actually the oldest 4WD club in Sydney. That's what you call experience! I couldn't recommend this club highly enough. We are very glad we are members, and have already made great friends who we also see socially outside the club.

Trips are on most weekends, and long touring trips are catered for as well. The trip calendar is already set until the end of the year, so it is very well organised ahead of time.

Come along to a meeting and say g'day!

[Ace]

Yeah muddymech the Sydney branch of the land rover owners club is the best club in NSW for Land Rover owners. You would be silly to look past it. They are very active and plan club outings from basic social outings to the tuff trip events once a month. Jump on the website that ron posted above and have look. Matt

[tony]

Hi Muddymech, I think hiline has the right idea find a few from your state on the forum go out for a weekend and your away, Not knocking the club scene but in the end there all clubs and you will get the “clicks” and the politics we tried that RR club, LROC club but in the end found that the way we do it is better……more relaxed

Scouce is off down to Yalwal this weekend coming along with my family and a few others your welcome to join us.


Tony

[barney]

c'mon, join ussssss!
one of us,one of us, one of us, one of us.
you know you want to, we are your friends!



is this helping? we don't sound too weird, do we?

seriously though, there's no snootyness in our club (not much anyway). we try to make all visitors and new members welcome.
4th tuesday of the month at fivedock.
come along and see what you reckon

[dungarover]

4WD clubs are good and bad. Good in the fact that you can meet likeminded souls and bad that it can be a political minefuied if you choose to get involved (I recomemmed you don't :!: )

I'm a member of the Gold Coast LR club, the Brisbane LR club and the Qld RR club (the letter I won't be the case from July, long story). The LR based clubs I have found especuicially in QLD are more 'off-road' oriented and there's more interest in harder and challenging trips which is more my thing (the RRC is a bit too'socal' for my liking. I'm not into winery trips :evil: )

Best off you do a trip with a club and get a feel for how they do things and if the group is for you. Some clubs are 'clicky' as mentioned and it is very off-putting.

The Sydney LR blokes don't sound too bad from what Ive read in there newsletter we get through our club. Good luck with it https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Trav

[Larry]

Another vote for the Sydney LROC https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ .

My second meeting I won a chainsaw! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ Thanks again Mrs Omaroo :wink:

Larry.

[LRHybrid100]

Originally posted by p38arover
Ace, Omaroo, Barney, RoverOne, et al are all members.

Ron

and me....

LRH

[one_iota]

I suppose I should wander along to the next meeting...after all its just down the road..I could walk. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

When is the next meeting?

[LRHybrid100]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>We meet on the 4th Tuesday of each month (except December) at 8pm:

The Veteran Car Club Hall
134 Queens Road
Five Dock NSW 2046

[/b][/quote]

[DiscoTDI]

Originally posted by barney
c'mon, join ussssss!
one of us,one of us, one of us, one of us.
you know you want to, we are your friends!



is this helping? we don't sound too weird, do we?

seriously though, there's no snootyness in our club (not much anyway). we try to make all visitors and new members welcome.
4th tuesday of the month at fivedock.
come along and see what you reckon

Try not to sound too needy https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[p38arover]

Originally posted by tony
Not knocking the club scene but in the end there all clubs and you will get the “clicks” and the politics we tried that RR club, LROC club but in the end found that the way we do it is better……more relaxed


In any club there will be cliques but I've not noticed that the LROC is that bad. I've been a member about 10 years, I suppose. I don't get to many meetings anymore owing to shift work - nor to trips as I get one weekend off each month if I'm lucky.

Actually, if we look at the true meaning of "clique" then I can't say I've seen it in the LROC.

• noun a small group of people who spend time together and do not readily allow others to join them.

Ron

[p38arover]

Thinking about it, someone from this forum has an advantage over the off-the-street punter who joins the LROC.

Here, you have already met fellow members (so to speak) or, in some cases, you actually have met them at a function, e.g., Ace's BBQs.

So when you go to a meeting, you have a chance to join with them.

I suggested at a club meeting (another club) that new members need a "buddy" system where they are taken under the wing of a member just to introduce them to others at their first few meetings, etc.

Ron

[RoverOne]

Originally posted by Omaroo+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Omaroo)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-p38arover
Join us at the LROC. We meet at FiveDock.

Ace, Omaroo, Barney, RoverOne, et al are all members.

See http://www.lroc.com.au/

Ron
Hey there muddymech https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Ron's right.

My wife Jenny and I only recently joined the LROC Sydney Branch 4 months ago after purchasing our latest ride, a '00 110 Td5. Like any club, you can't just sit there and hope that you'll be accepted. You need to get involved. Given that, we've really found that the members of this club are deeply committed to the Land Rover marque, are very knowledgeable and are great fun out in the bush and at meetings. They aren't a club dominated by one model or another, and there are pretty good numbers representing RR's, Disco's, Defenders and Series vehicles. Ages are mixed too - but like any Land Rover club, there are a lot of older members - some of which have been in the club from the 60's when it was formed. It's actually the oldest 4WD club in Sydney. That's what you call experience! I couldn't recommend this club highly enough. We are very glad we are members, and have already made great friends who we also see socially outside the club.

Trips are on most weekends, and long touring trips are catered for as well. The trip calendar is already set until the end of the year, so it is very well organised ahead of time.

Come along to a meeting and say g'day![/b][/quote]

Well not quite set, as of today I emailed four new trips to the Trip Co-Ordinater, one each in July,August, September & the October Long weekend not counting the 28 day Easter Trip to WA in 2007 & just posted on the website lroc.com.au and the 14 day trip over Xmas to the Vic High Country.

The Sydney LROC is a great club & I've been involved for over 11 years, 10 of those on committee, only this year because of my move to bush, I've taken a holiday.

Yes there are cliques like every facet of life, the work place for one, I'll bet there were cliques at school & all other groups of people that form a society, there is even a number of cliques on this forum. Mostly cliques are just mates that just go & do there own thing when it suits them & enjoy each other's company.

A lot of trips go to places out of reach to those not in clubs, they are organised, they carry full recovery equipment & for the large part well trained in off road procedure, and are covered for $20,000,000 public liability just in case.

A newby can't hope to get off road training experience going away with a forum group, a club trip for the most part helps new comers gently immersing them into the off road after training. I've been away with guys that shouted from the highest hill they had been driving off road for years, yet on the first muddy ascent in the High Country went to water & nearly over the edge because of NO EXPERIENCE in hard country & no training in stall recovery etc. Their total "years" of experience were jaunts to Central Australia & Darwin not getting into low range other than for a bit of sand, the Simpson hardley qualifies as off road experience https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ .

Another reason for being in a club is that a some of my closest friends I've met in the club & the half dozen friends I've introduced to the club, and yes you could say I had a "clique" in the club.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Scouce is off down to Yalwal this weekend coming along with my family and a few others your welcome to join us. [/b][/quote] Not always a reliable way to get out on a trip, in a club its all laid out ahead of schedule. Almost every weekend & every month up until April 2007 theres something for every one... social, medium or Tuff, your pick your choice or just stay at home & get on forums & rack up massive posts :wink: :wink: :wink:

Politics in clubs is like real life, only a few get involved, most without any life to speak off outside of the club, there mostly just passionate people that like what there doing and can be ignored, just go and have fun like we do and ingore that crap.

I remember someone on this forum so passionate with a hate for the club scene, left a very good club (couldn't get his own way) to be an individual again....guess what... started his own club months later :roll: :roll: :roll: as unaposed "President for life".

Clubs aren't bad, try first & decide for your self & make your own decision go along & make yourself known at the Sydney LROC as a forum member & Barney & others will make themselves known to you to make you comfortable, it's easy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>We meet on the 4th Tuesday of each month (except December) at 8pm:

The Veteran Car Club Hall
134 Queens Road
Five Dock NSW 2046 [/b][/quote]

Cheers
Bryce

[dungarover]

Yep, you always get blokes like that. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

We had a character in the RRC an ex-copper, who tried to throw his weight around but it fell on deaf ears and now has left. He was on a trip I was leading and barking at me on how to ascend this hill, I just didn&#39;t take any notice and did it my way. He also tried to take over the orientation side of things and all his &#39;propsals&#39; were totally imptractical.

Smart-arse, bombastic know-it-all tossers come and go from clubs, it&#39;s a matter of just not taking notice as it sure did work in this case.

Trav

[FenianEel]

http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/uploads/1161523-hijack.jpg

Trav,

You coming to Boonah?

Daryl & I are going just for Saturday.

[Omaroo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RoverOne &#064; May 10 2006, 02&#58;32 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>

I remember someone on this forum so passionate with a hate for the club scene, left a very good club (couldn&#39;t get his own way) to be an individual again....guess what... started his own club months later :roll: :roll: :roll: as unaposed "President for life".
[/b][/quote]

LOL... there can only be one...... and it was his club that we left... to join LROC.

[tony]

Hi Guys an Girls

I totally disagree with some of the comments made “A newbie can learn just as much out on a weekend from here as with a club…( does depend who your with I suppose)

Club outings are OK if you wont everything set out I personally don’t rather have a cuppa when we wont to, rather than when its time.

Several of my acquaintances own one type of land rover or another a few years ago we all joined the LROC because we wonted to play in the Nissan trials and you had to be a club member so we all joined went to several meetings, went on several trips then put a motion forward at a meeting that the club enter the trials

Well I thought we’d started ww111 there were old gentlemen standing up wavering there arms about shouting over there dead bodies, were life members been in this club a life time never heard anything as insane you young puppies only wont to race ( I was in my late 30’s then so at least it made me feel a bit better) boy oh boy I just realized it was a long time ago……


Anyway clubs are ok if you like that sort of thing I don’t so will stick with the way I do it.

By ourselves or with a few acquaintances and if I may say don’t knock something until you try it.



Yalwal is still on.......


Tony

[dungarover]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tony &#064; May 12 2006, 04&#58;05 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>

Several of my acquaintances own one type of land rover or another a few years ago we all joined the LROC because we wonted to play in the Nissan trials and you had to be a club member so we all joined went to several meetings, went on several trips then put a motion forward at a meeting that the club enter the trials

Well I thought we’d started ww111 there were old gentlemen standing up wavering there arms about shouting over there dead bodies, were life members been in this club a life time never heard anything as insane you young puppies only wont to race ( I was in my late 30’s then so at least it made me feel a bit better) boy oh boy I just realized it was a long time ago……
Anyway clubs are ok if you like that sort of thing I don’t so will stick with the way I do it.

[/b][/quote]

You got those sort of dickheads in clubs unfortunatley. I just do my thing, the rest can get stuffed&#33;&#33;&#33; I say if you don&#39;t like it, don&#39;t try and stop people from doing it.

I have been a target of this because of the fact I like something a bit more challenging. I don&#39;t do heaps of club trips but I have met many good blokes so the membership has paid for itself in that regard.

Clubs are not for everyone.

Trav

[tony]

"don&#39;t try and stop people from doing it."



Iwould never try and stop someone from doing anything ( in this context )

as My last post said Dont knock it till you try it

I just think its wrong to suggest that you would not learn as much on a weekend organised from here as you would with a club

I think its wrong to suggest that a weekend organised from here might not be equiped recovery gear etc etc as a weekend with a club...
And I dont spend more time racking up a big post count than doing

As I&#39;v said again and again I&#39;m not knocking clubs they have there place I just dont like em tried em and found em wanting

This is my last post on this subject cuz I dont like it.

Tony

[muddymech]

wow what a lot of replys, thanks everyone, will try get to next meeting and put some faces to the names.
all being well see you there

[RoverOne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Omaroo &#064; May 12 2006, 03&#58;24 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
LOL... there can only be one...... and it was his club that we left... to join LROC.
[/b][/quote]

Yes correct, it was him https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Cheers
Bryce

[RoverOne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tony &#064; May 12 2006, 06&#58;35 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
"don&#39;t try and stop people from doing it."
Iwould never try and stop someone from doing anything ( in this context )

as My last post said Dont knock it till you try it

I just think its wrong to suggest that you would not learn as much on a weekend organised from here as you would with a club

I think its wrong to suggest that a weekend organised from here might not be equiped recovery gear etc etc as a weekend with a club...
And I dont spend more time racking up a big post count than doing

As I&#39;v said again and again I&#39;m not knocking clubs they have there place I just dont like em tried em and found em wanting

This is my last post on this subject cuz I dont like it.

Tony
[/b][/quote]

I just can&#39;t see a bunch of guys going for a burn in the bush, wanting to take time out coaxing some new guy never been off road before in a new car in some rough country, & being responsible to get this guy in out safely & cutting into their driving pleasure.

I for one wouldn&#39;t & won&#39;t take someone untrained on a tough weekend, I&#39;d not want to be responsible for someone with no training off road to risk life & limb & vehicle.

I go on plenty of trips that are not LROC related, just mates getting away like blokes do on this site, but your not obligated to look after any one but yourself, even though you do off course, just second nature to some.

Racking up points was tongue in cheek sorry if it offended.

I do agree with your comments re the Nissan Trials episode , I was there at the meeting "it was Discussed", & didn&#39;t aggree with the result, but those types of dinosaurs crop up every where. You should be there now & get involved with our "Tuff Trips" leave Nissan Trials looking like a training weekend (well sort off, again tongue in cheek).

I&#39;ve also been on more than 100 trips with the LROC and most stops are around cuppa time & usually lunch is at lunch time, or when ever hunger stops the convoy, never at a designated 12.17pm stop for.... we must stop, never happens, I&#39;ve never been on a regimented trip ever. Many times I&#39;ve been leading a trip when someone has yelled out their stopping for a picture, squirt or nappy change without any one getting anal about it.

I am genuinely sorry your time with us was so dissapointing, I wish you&#39;d come on one of my trips.

Cheers
Bryce

[barney]

through the years from 1982 to 2000, i did exactly what bryce finds unimaginable. that is go away with a bunch of mates and from time to time, we did take a newbie along and teach them the ropes. 6 or 7 guys with lots of different experience in many different makes and wheelbase configurations always made for a very interesting weekend.
we used to go pretty hard nearly all the time, safety was always a concern and we never rolled a vehicle, or even immobilised a vehicle off road. despite frequent weekends crossing in and out of the shoalhaven river and it&#39;s tributaries, never hydraulicked a car.
in the end, the main reasons i joined the lroc was that i had a land rover and i needed new ideas for places to go, all the ones that i used to go to were closing up. the fact that i wasn&#39;t compelled to do a driver training course when i joined the club was also an incentive. this wasn&#39;t because i was so arrogant to think that i knew everything i needed to know, but more that it wasn&#39;t high on my priority list and there was no pressure.
in fact, i did the DTC in september 2004 and i definitly learnt a few things i didn&#39;t know before. some of them were even related to 4wding.
since i joined the lroc, i have met and befriended tons of people, admittedy, there are some i&#39;d rather spend more time with than others, but that is merely a common interest thing.
the unique thing about the lroc is that is 2 clubs (or more) in one. it is a 4wd club, but it&#39;s other main identity is that of an historic vehicle restorers club. we have just been affiliated with the CMC (council of motor clubs) which is the governing body for basically all of the normal car clubs in australia. no top of these there are the smaller factions of the club like the tuff trip group etc.

[RoverOne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(barney &#064; May 12 2006, 11&#58;26 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
through the years from 1982 to 2000, i did exactly what bryce finds unimaginable. that is go away with a bunch of mates and from time to time, we did take a newbie along and teach them the ropes. 6 or 7 guys with lots of different experience in many different makes and wheelbase configurations always made for a very interesting weekend.
[/b][/quote]

Matt I do understand what your saying, but you knew the guy going with you was a newby with a decision by all "to train him".

I had one trip to Sally&#39;s Hole where a guy in a Hi Luxe on a hard hill wanted to know how to get his car into low range. In between showing him after bouncing his rear guard of a few trees from loss of traction, & this bloke professed some sort of experience (Alice Springs Trip). He unfortunately was never seen again after that weekend. Newbies on trips unless your prepared to waste the good part of the day dicking around, & again unless your aware & prepared to help these guys, without slamming you for taking them into country too hard is not worth it from my point of view. And still I&#39;ve taken plenty of newbies into the bush on my terms.

Cheers
Bryce

[Bushie]

Go along to a club meeting, (which ever club you decide) and meet the members. Try and get out on a trip with them (may mean you have to join) as this is the only way you will really get to know them. As for training it may or may not be necessary for you but do it anyway, Competance is what is needed and club training will only go part way towards that, because then you have to put it into practice and gain the experience in a variety of situations.

I started my life in the Range Rover club in the early 80s before dropping out and going away with like minded friends. As we were all together as a group/families if it took us 3 or 4 hours to get through an obstacle then that was how long it took, there was never any thought that we would not assist each other, recovery or driving skills.

After some 25 years I was the only one of the group that still owned a 4WD (and was still in Sydney) so I joined the LROC have participated in both the driver training (at Wollondilly Stn) and the advanced course at Briar station both of which were very enjoyable, and yes there were still things to learn, and to impart to others.

So the choice is yours as to whether to join a club, but if you do decide to go down the club path I&#39;ve found nothing wrong with the LROC.


Bushie

[barney]

yep, that&#39;s right Bryce.
we used to spend most weekends in and around yalwal.
we&#39;d go in at yalwal and travel down etrema creek to the junction of the shoalhaven.
about every 4th or 5th trip we&#39;d have a newbie along.
the first time i went there, i was in my 1L suzuki sierra, stock standard with those bridgestone m&s tyres they used to come out with. i was fairly green then and we went in from tallowa dam at the junction of the kangaroo and shoalhaven rivers, and criss-crossed the river to etrema, then up there to come out at yalwal.
done the area down there in one way or another in every 4wd i&#39;ve owned until they closed it up in 96? (i think).
photo below of my hilux under it&#39;s own power wth no snorkel and a petrol 2Litre engine

[George130]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RoverOne &#064; May 12 2006, 10&#58;55 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I just can&#39;t see a bunch of guys going for a burn in the bush, wanting to take time out coaxing some new guy never been off road before in a new car in some rough country, & being responsible to get this guy in out safely & cutting into their driving pleasure.

[/b][/quote]

I have learn&#39;t more on the AULRO trips than with the club trips. The big difference is the club trips are local so easier to go on as the pact I made with the Missus when I bought the rig was that I would not go out without other vehicles. I would like to learn a bit more before I tried a solo trip anyway.

[Slunnie]

Has anbody mentioned LROC yet? https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[dullbird]

crickey this thread is heated
i haven&#39;t felt heat like this since i sat in the 90 and it was in the red https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

i think you all have very valid points but i would just like to confirm that we are not so called newbies&#33;&#33;&#33; we are by no means proffesionals..........but deffinatly not newbies

so the fight over taking responability for newbies can now be smoothed out......

and i don&#39;t really no what it is like here but in the uk it doesn&#39;t matter what level of driver you are you all take care of each other no matter what..........

the same hapened when we did a 4x4 event in the mountains of france we helped people there alot and we didn&#39;t know them from adam, and they to helped us............

to me that is what 4x4ing is all about going out meeting nice people helping each other enjoying a common interest.........

not sorry mate you are not driver trained qualified i can&#39;t bare the thought of me having to watch you fall of a cliff..........if you know you are out with someone that is not that experienced then you don&#39;t take them to places where they can fall off cliffs&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

and if you take someone out and you don&#39;t find out what there driving is like before you go and you take them to tough places well then i believe you are partly to blame......

but thank you everyone for your posts

taking the good and the bad into consideration no doubt we will be attending the next meeting to see what its all about and hopefully meet up with some forum names and hopefully makes some friends for life...

dullbird

[barney]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Slunnie &#064; May 14 2006, 02&#58;44 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Has anbody mentioned LROC yet? https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
[/b][/quote]


good to see you&#39;re keeping up slunnie.


bryce,
just to clarify, the intention of the inclusion of a newbie was not to "train them" but to include one of our friends who had just got a 4wd into one of our trips away. of course, so that we didn&#39;t have to drag a charred corpse back with us, it was in our best interest for these newbies to benefit from our experience, and so it was offered and thankfully most times it was gratiously accepted.
those that didn&#39;t take our advice and jeapordised the "fun" element of our weekend away, were often "overlooked" when the news of the next trip was bandied around.

[one_iota]

Clubs remind me of Monty Python&#39;s "Life of Brian"

The Judean Liberation Front as opposed to the Liberation Front of Judea.

After all what have the Romans ever done for us https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[barney]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dullbird &#064; May 14 2006, 07&#58;59 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
crickey this thread is heated


dullbird
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i didn&#39;t think it was getting heated at all.
everyone has an opinion one way or another on the whole "club" subject. back in the day, i was dead set against clubs, the whole "group mentality, do things the way i say, don&#39;t think for yourself" regime really put me off.
it wasn&#39;t until i was running out of places to go and joined the lroc that i found that for the most part, i was wrong. the lroc is not like that. there have been that type of person in the club before, some have even been committee members. but despite their attitude, the easy-going sanity of the clubs majority has prevailed.


3 cheers for "easy-goig sanity"
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[dullbird]

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but if you go back and read through it all it does sound a little serious

we only wanted to know what club

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