285/60R18 - Pirelli AT Plus

[DiscoClax]

A tyre rep advised me that the above size in is development currently and they expect them to be available in Australia in approx 12-18 months. Happy days :)

[Graeme]

Did the rep happen to mention other sizes too, such as 255/60R19 for the L405/L494/L462?

[Lukeis]

I’ve had the ATR+ for about three months and love them! Dead silent.

[Tombie]

Good if you never want to visit the snowfields!

You won’t fit chains with that size on.

[DiscoClax]

Did the rep happen to mention other sizes too, such as 255/60R19 for the L405/L494/L462?

Nope. I just asked about that size.

And snow isn't my thing, Tombie :)

[paul_v]

Good if you never want to visit the snowfields!

You won’t fit chains with that size on.


What is the largest size tyre that still allows chains to fit?
Is this a restriction on the size of chains available? or the combination of the larger tyre + chains will no longer fit in the guard/rubs on turns etc?

Autotecnica list a CA490 chain to suit a 285/60 18 and 285/65 18:
Snow Chains AutoFit (https://www.autotecnica.com.au/product/snow-chains-autofit-4x4-suv/)

Autotecnica stuff is sold by SuperCheap, Repco, et al.

[gavinwibrow]

What is the largest size tyre that still allows chains to fit?
Is this a restriction on the size of chains available? or the combination of the larger tyre + chains will no longer fit in the guard/rubs on turns etc?

Autotecnica list a CA490 chain to suit a 285/60 18 and 285/65 18:
Snow Chains AutoFit (https://www.autotecnica.com.au/product/snow-chains-autofit-4x4-suv/)

Autotecnica stuff is sold by SuperCheap, Repco, et al.


My 285 60 18s just fit and if suspension is lowered tyres will just touch the inner mudguard stuff above the wheels. Can't speak for the later D4s if they are any different.

[paul_v]

Right. Thanks for that.

If 286 60 18's just fit on their own - and scrape when the suspension is down;
Certainly won't be able to add chains then...

[Tombie]

At that width the chains will also take the harness apart in the wheel arch!


Now - Only for the record:

From a certain point - the wider you go the more rolling resistance you offer and the vehicle works harder, on bitumen the fuel use will increase for a given tyre type (AT/MT etc).

Legally the diameter increase is ok. Sub 50mm.

Legally the tyre is non-compliant. Any tyres fitted to a vehicle must not make contact with *any* part of the vehicle through its entire range of motion.

Practically - any tyre that contacts when the vehicle is dropped will, should a bag fail or compressor fail render the vehicle immobile.

Potentially - if a bag fails catastrophically at speed (potential increases as the vehicles age) it has the potential to spear the vehicle into oncoming traffic/off the road/throw it into an unrecoverable slide etc.

This isn’t something I’m comfortable with (my choice).

[Russrobe]

Plenty of choices in 18" now. Just stumbled across these in the warehouse. 10 ply 80 PSI light trucks with a 122 load rating in 265 65R18 Most likely much cheaper than a BFG.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191112/beef702a38375b468d7191df35416aa5.jpg

[PeterJ]

I’ve had the ATR+ for about three months and love them! Dead silent.

Hi, looks like you have had the ATR+ for about 9 mths now, any update, wear, noise, offroad damage and performance, wet road performance would be appreciated. My D697's are up for replacement and these are high on the list. Also PM'd you.
Thanks
Peter

[Lukeis]

Hi Peter

I’ve had them on for about 10 months now, they are amazing in the wet and truly feel like on road tyre (coming from KO2’s which had no grip in the wet)

these are very quiet, never hear them at all with the windows up, very slight with the windows down - again miles ahead of the KO2 - Noise was the main reason for moving to a new tyre

however, I’m not sure about the longevity. I don’t know what mileage I had done when I put them on but I recently swapped the front to rear because the fronts were getting close to their end - my guy feel is they haven’t lasted a long distance but sadly no numbers to back that up.

even wear, good grip and no noise so I’ll probably get them again

hope this helps

[Barraman]

Hi Peter

I’ve had them on for about 10 months now, they are amazing in the wet and truly feel like on road tyre (coming from KO2’s which had no grip in the wet)

these are very quiet, never hear them at all with the windows up, very slight with the windows down - again miles ahead of the KO2 - Noise was the main reason for moving to a new tyre

however, I’m not sure about the longevity. I don’t know what mileage I had done when I put them on but I recently swapped the front to rear because the fronts were getting close to their end - my guy feel is they haven’t lasted a long distance but sadly no numbers to back that up.

even wear, good grip and no noise so I’ll probably get them again

hope this helps

Ditto!

I got 70,000 km out of Pirelli Scorpian ATR and the set of AT Plus on my D4 ATM are coming up to 55,000 km.

I think they will make at least the 70,000 again.

Another set of AT Plus will be going on - luv’em!

[Graeme]

Has anyone noticed that they're AT PLUS, not ATR PLUS.

[Lukeis]

I’m closer to 20k not 70k mileage - I would be over the moon if I got that.
how could mine be so different??





Ditto!

I got 70,000 km out of Pirelli Scorpian ATR and the set of AT Plus on my D4 ATM are coming up to 55,000 km.

I think they will make at least the 70,000 again.

Another set of AT Plus will be going on - luv’em!

[Tombie]

I’m closer to 20k not 70k mileage - I would be over the moon if I got that.
how could mine be so different??

Pressures you run
Loads on/in your vehicle
Your driving style (cornering etc)
Local road surfaces
Number of roundabouts you use
How many turns you make on an average trip
Kilometres driven per year (age vs km)

[Barraman]

I’m closer to 20k not 70k mileage - I would be over the moon if I got that.
how could mine be so different??

I do about 30,000 km per year, mostly on bitumen but sometimes rough crappy bitumen, generally on the speed limit - up to 130, lightly loaded to heavily loaded, about half of that towing a 6.7M boat.
I run the tyre pressures that are on the door.
I put 5 Pirellis on the vehicle and rotate every 10,000 km including the spare - plus a wheel alignment.
The Disco is very sure-footed with the Pirellis, even in torrential downpours, quiet as a mouse - abd I am happy with the wear.

[Graeme]

Barraman, what size please?

[Barraman]

Barraman, what size please?

The Pirelli AT Plus on my D4 are 255/55 R19.

[Graeme]

I find that my 275/55R20 AT+ are too big for my L322 but with the harsh treatment my tyres are sometimes subjected to I don't want to go down to the 255/55/R19's shorter sidewalls and lower load index especially as I'd have to buy 6 D4 19" rims to give the size a try. If only 255/60R19 with LI 113 were available....

[DiscoClax]

I'm hoping Pirelli bring these out in 285/50R20 as I reckon these would be my perfect road set. Currently running Cooper Zeon LTZ Pro in that size as my on road set, but I think the Pirelli's would be better allrounders in that usage.

[LRD4XXV]

Hi Peter

I’ve had them on for about 10 months now, they are amazing in the wet and truly feel like on road tyre (coming from KO2’s which had no grip in the wet)

these are very quiet, never hear them at all with the windows up, very slight with the windows down - again miles ahead of the KO2 - Noise was the main reason for moving to a new tyre

however, I’m not sure about the longevity. I don’t know what mileage I had done when I put them on but I recently swapped the front to rear because the fronts were getting close to their end - my guy feel is they haven’t lasted a long distance but sadly no numbers to back that up.

even wear, good grip and no noise so I’ll probably get them again

hope this helps


This is great info thanks Lukeis... Ive also been running K02's but on 18inch Moab wheels. Im thinking about making a change to the AT plus or D697. From what I'm reading the AT Plus is not offered in a LT construction, but it does talk about re-enforced side walls... Any thoughts or comment on this? Thanks

[LRD4XXV]

Hi Peter

I’ve had them on for about 10 months now, they are amazing in the wet and truly feel like on road tyre (coming from KO2’s which had no grip in the wet)

these are very quiet, never hear them at all with the windows up, very slight with the windows down - again miles ahead of the KO2 - Noise was the main reason for moving to a new tyre

however, I’m not sure about the longevity. I don’t know what mileage I had done when I put them on but I recently swapped the front to rear because the fronts were getting close to their end - my guy feel is they haven’t lasted a long distance but sadly no numbers to back that up.

even wear, good grip and no noise so I’ll probably get them again

hope this helps


great info thank you Lukeis. Im currently running K02s on 18" but thinking of the AT Plus option. Do you have an concern that the AT Plus is not LT rated? The other option is D697s

[gavinwibrow]

great info thank you Lukeis. Im currently running K02s on 18" but thinking of the AT Plus option. Do you have an concern that the AT Plus is not LT rated? The other option is D697s

As with other comments in this thread, I'd recommend going a bit smaller size. I've found the 697s I inherited to be a tad big when off road (and that's just in the bush, not hard core).

I think from memory it is Lukeis who is travelling in the centre and has had a significant issue with a tyre while towing, which I hope is due to something other than the manufacture, as I like the Pirellis too.

[Graeme]

His size is 265/60 that has LI 110 rather than the 255/60 XL size that has LI 112, not that I think that the slightly lower LI is the cause of the rapid wear on his tyres.

[gavinwibrow]

His size is 265/60 that has LI 110 rather than the 255/60 XL size that has LI 112, not that I think that the slightly lower LI is the cause of the rapid wear on his tyres.

Thanks Graeme, I missed that and was thinking of the size in the thread heading (which is the size I inherited)

[Stiltz]

For what it's worth I have had the AT+ for 6months and really happy. Been great on sand and gravel and especially pleased in the wet. I have them in stock 255/55/19 but they look wider that previous tyres

[rar110]

I’m going to soon change out my Cooper AT3s 265/60/18s. What’s recommended in the 18” AT+, out of 255/60/18 112H XL vs 265/60/18 110H vs 265/65/18 114T?

Changing to 265/65/18 would mean 5 new tyres, due to size difference, which is probably a good idea as the spare is quite old.

[Graeme]

265/65R18 being very slightly smaller in diameter and narrower in the tread than my 275/55R20 AT+ might be not rub the liners in front of the front wheels when the wheels are turned while at access height.

If I changed front brakes to allow 18" to fit then I'd fit 255/60R18 being slightly narrower and with higher load rating than 265/60R18 but I don't have any 265/60R18 that might be usable spares.

[rar110]

265/65R18 being very slightly smaller in diameter and narrower in the tread than my 275/55R20 AT+ might be not rub the liners in front of the front wheels when the wheels are turned while at access height.

If I changed front brakes to allow 18" to fit then I'd fit 255/60R18 being slightly narrower and with higher load rating than 265/60R18 but I don't have any 265/60R18 that might be usable spares.

thanks Graeme. I’m thinking the 255/60/18s as I can use my 255/50/19. I still have the original set of 19s.

[Graeme]

Did you mean 255/55R19?

[rar110]

Yes, a similar standard size in 19”.

But I probably would buy 2 x 18” spares anyway and rotate them through, as not as easy to find a spare off the east coast as the Prado/Pajero standard 265/60/18 size.

I don’t understand why this popular size 18” 4WD tyre generally has such a modest load rating.

[Tombie]

If you go D697 Dueller or AT3W Falken you’ll get a 114 rating.

Personally I would never run a 110 rated tyre on a D3 upwards.

[Turtle60]

I’m going to soon change out my Cooper AT3s 265/60/18s. What’s recommended in the 18” AT+, out of 255/60/18 112H XL vs 265/60/18 110H vs 265/65/18 114T?

Changing to 265/65/18 would mean 5 new tyres, due to size difference, which is probably a good idea as the spare is quite old.

So many variables but 285’s are just to wide other issues like rolling resistance etc etc. it also increases torsional load on CV axles etc hence the engineers at landrover design and manage by strict tyre width and rim offset. I run LT 265/65 18 ko2 and NEVER experience any clearance issue or a single puncture. I’m sure it will come though. But there is a LT 265/6018 that is probably just as good and easier to get the spare under. So yes 10 mm over but within a good safety margin I hope.
Also pushing 285 through soft sand is not ideal. But the 285 does give a kind of sure footed look.

if you not heading too remote put any AT on you like. Pirelli or anything. My AT3 grabbers were great but when you hundreds of klms from anywhere in harsh conditions anything but a solid LT load rated tyre is asking for trouble. Most AT tyres are NOT light truck rated just marginally more robust and chunkier tread. Which is perfect for many and with benefit if being much quieter. Quiet is totally irrelevant once your off the bitumen though.

Perhaps the best compromise just might be the LT 19 maxxis if you are stuck with 19” rims.
Anyway heaps and heaps of stuff on tyres here. Good luck

[rar110]

285s are not an option for me as the spare won’t fit in the factory location, and just raises vehicle a bit too much all the time IMHO. If I’m in a situation where I need a suspension lift I can push a button. [emoji3]

I will be going with one of the three 18” tyre options.

[Graeme]

I doubt that 265/65R18 will fit in the spare wheel well low enough for the floor to not sit on the tyre. I trimmed the left plastic side cover to get my 275/55R20 into the well but it doesn't sit on the bottom because the diameter is too big. My floor sits on full length 50mm sponge blocks around the edges and on the tyre itself.

[rar110]

My 265/60/18 fits in the wheel well ok, so I assumed the 265/65/18 would be the same height when laying down, only the tyre diameter was a bit bigger. I might need to check that.

[Tombie]

My 265/60/18 fits in the wheel well ok, so I assumed the 265/65/18 would be the same height when laying down, only the tyre diameter was a bit bigger. I might need to check that.

What is being referred to is the floor pressing has a radius on the outer edge.

The closer to that edge a wheel gets, the less it can sit into the bottom and will therefore sit up on the radius by the edge of the tyre.

[Graeme]

The tyre fits between the side box sections but doesn't sit down in the well. It also just fits between the rear box section and the jack at the front but there is no room to remove or install the jack with the tyre in place. I renewed my experience tonight refitting the spare but had to remove the wheel again to put the jack in its holder first then drop the wheel straight down. I have blocks under the tyre to prevent it becoming wedged in the well.

I'm told that 31" (eg 255/55R20) fits and allows the floor to sit properly but the range of tyres is very limited and then only the same sidewall height as 255/55R19 which has a marginally better tyre range but a far better range in 18" in either 255/60 or 265/60.

[BrianElloy]

285s are not an option for me as the spare won’t fit in the factory location, and just raises vehicle a bit too much all the time IMHO. If I’m in a situation where I need a suspension lift I can push a button. [emoji3]

I will be going with one of the three 18” tyre options.

Is that true? Will a 285/60R18 not fit under the car as a spare, even if deflated? (Yes, I have a permanent onboard compressor)

[rar110]

Is that true? Will a 285/60R18 not fit under the car as a spare, even if deflated? (Yes, I have a permanent onboard compressor)

I’m not sure about under a D3/4, but doubt it would fit. But 285/60/18 I tried didn’t fit inside wheel well of L322, ie not slung under rear.

[rar110]

Thanks Graeme & Tombie for the clarification.

I think I get it now. The profile of the wheel well floor suits tyres close to the standard diameter, but larger diameter tyres will sit on the curve rather than at the bottom of the well.

[BrianElloy]

I’m not sure about under a D3/4, but doubt it would fit. But 285/60/18 I tried didn’t fit inside wheel well of L322, ie not slung under rear.

They definitely fit under the wheel well of my D4.

<edit> it fits in the spare wheel well, but NOT with the hitch receiver in place :(

[Lukeis]

The 265/60/18 actually is a bit of a squeeze to get into the wheel well on my car, but this could be because of the tongue extending rear wards through the hitch slightly on my car, not sure if everyone’s does that, I have to let some air out if it’s new as the tread is quite big.


one other issue I’ve found with these tyres is no one in NT stocks them, I have two busted tyres and have been waiting almost two weeks to get some up from Adelaide to Darwin - keep in mind covid19 is probably not helping that timeframe but I wasn’t interested in having two new non matching tyres put on.

I literally called 10 tyres shops before settling on having to order them up