Tdv6 and 6 speed auto into defender

[grinna1965]

Just a few pics to get your heart racing of the TDV6 nine with a 6 speed Auto. It’s the next Defender 110 engine conversion in the workshop..No conversion costing available yet, hopefully available in January 2020. Will keep you posted.

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[Konradical]

Will be following this!

[Slunnie]

Is this the 2.7 or 3.0TDV6?
And everybody is going to ask if it will work for a D2 also.

[cripesamighty]

Slunnie, something for you to ponder. The TDV6 engine swap has already been done in a D1, so let's see what happens with the 6 speed...


TDV6 Discovery I — LRO (https://www.lro.com/blog/news/land-rover/1009/tdv6-discovery-i)

https://www.bodylogicuk.com/index.php/11/327141/

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch't=47&v=Y5l65FxR58o)

[Slunnie]

Slunnie, something for you to ponder. The engine swap has already been done in a D1, so let's see what happens with the 6 speed...


TDV6 Discovery I — LRO (https://www.lro.com/blog/news/land-rover/1009/tdv6-discovery-i)

https://www.bodylogicuk.com/index.php/11/327141/

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch't=47&v=Y5l65FxR58o)

Thanks for these! The 2.7's I think are a great conversion but the 3.0 is the one that really grabs me. Same Power/torque as my Audi, the best engine to drive and it hoots along. I like that this has the 6sp auto and LT230. I was under the impression that the ECU side of things were a bit of a barrier with the 3.0, but unlike the 2.7, and so far wasn't aware of anybody that had the 3.0TDV6 working as a transplant. Hopefully this is it. I was really interested in Grinnas 3.2Td5 conversion but it seemed the autos wouldn't work with the LT230 being a DS drop - 3.0TDV6 auto would be miles better!

[Summiitt]

This is good news, with a impending purchase of a cruiser ute, Ive been thinking about a re power of my 2013 130.. To be honest I can't see the 2.2 lasting for the 600+k that my Tdi has made, and still going..Im on my second motor with my 2.2, would love a 6+ litre GM diesel in my ute, as it is the best work ute available, including the cruiser..

[rick130]

Anyone have any idea what became of the 2.7/2.8 TD5 long stroke build?
Was it reliability or just not a cost effective/performance ratio that it disappeared?

I would've thought a VNT on that, or better still a good compound setup would be really nice.
A couple of Bruce Davis techs said to me they and Bruce thought the TD5 was a much stronger base than the Tdci with better ultimate potential.

[cripesamighty]

" A couple of Bruce Davis techs said to me they and Bruce thought the TD5 was a much stronger base than the Tdci with better ultimate potential. "

I reckon they are right. During the TD5's development it was not run on diesel, but kerosene, to simulate worst fuel scenario in the first few prototypes. After stripping/fixing/strengthening the broken bits, they continued with the rest of the testing on diesel. There were a couple of Land Rover magazine articles I scanned and kept some years ago that went into details.

[justinc]

" A couple of Bruce Davis techs said to me they and Bruce thought the TD5 was a much stronger base than the Tdci with better ultimate potential. "

I reckon they are right. During the TD5's development it was not run on diesel, but kerosene, to simulate worst fuel scenario in the first few prototypes. After stripping/fixing/strengthening the broken bits, they continued with the rest of the testing on diesel. There were a couple of Land Rover magazine articles I scanned and kept some years ago that went into details.

The tdci is in no way a strong engine. Td5 beats it hands down for that, a common rail td5 with VNT would be an awesome engine...😎😎😎

[grinna1965]

This is good news, with a impending purchase of a cruiser ute, Ive been thinking about a re power of my 2013 130.. To be honest I can't see the 2.2 lasting for the 600+k that my Tdi has made, and still going..Im on my second motor with my 2.2, would love a 6+ litre GM diesel in my ute, as it is the best work ute available, including the cruiser..we are putting a 6.6 duramax into a perentie at the moment but it is a bit of over kill

[Blade74]

I loved my TD5 defender when I had it.
Bigger inter cooler, remap, a touch more boost, bigger exhaust and decat.
It had so much get up and go. The next stage for me would have been putting and auto in it because it so too much of a tractor.
But man that motor impressed me more than any motor I’ve ever had. And how much more you could get out of it without doing heaps. I miss it and occasionally look at TD5 disco 2’s dreaming of a little project car.

[DazzaTD5]

The engine the OP has is a 2.7lt Territory engine so it should be ok as far as reliability goes...

[Rick Fischer]

Question???

Didn't Ford keep the intellectual property rights for the TD5, and it's descendent ended up in the Ranger and the BT50???

As for TDV6s I've come across a few written off because of failures on two rear cylinders. These were D3 engines. D4??? Territorys seem OK.

Any comment?


Cheers

RF

[101RRS]

Question???

Didn't Ford keep the intellectual property rights for the TD5, and it's descendent ended up in the Ranger and the BT50???

The TD5 was totally a Landrover engine with no link to BMW or Ford. The 5 cylinder engine in the Ranger and BT50 is a development of the Ford Puma line of 4 cylinder engines that started in the Transit (and in the Puma Defenders) and has no relationship with the Landrover TD5 other than its 5 cylinder configuration.

Garry

[Rick Fischer]

Understand that neither Ford or BMW had anything to do with TD5, Did know that :0)

However, the LR TD5 had some very good production engineering values developed by LR. (not real good for O/H though, as I understand). Hence Ford perhaps kept the intellectual property rights of the design, after all Ford owned those rights at the time of sale to TATA..............and the Landie TD5 not used in another TATA product????

As an aside re car companies perfidy :0) Paint on my SVX (comes from Rangie ie "exclusive" Santorini Black, a metal flake black) is identical to paint found on a Ford F250 (parked mudguard to mudguard :0) We didn't actually check the codes)

I do admit to have not looked under the bonnet of a Ranger or BT50 but the sound is redolent of Landie TD5.

Cheers

RF

[AK83]

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However, the LR TD5 had some very good production engineering values developed by LR. (not real good for O/H though, as I understand). Hence Ford perhaps kept the intellectual property rights of the design, after all Ford owned those rights at the time of sale to TATA..............and the Landie TD5 not used in another TATA product????

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If you have a peek at a stripped 3.2, it bears zero resemblance to the TD5's design. Cam drive train, oil pump, etc .. nothing in that areas remotely resembles the TD5.
Ford even had the rights to the Volvo D5(by ownership) at one time .. and yet they still ignored that design type too.
So for a while, Ford had 3 different 5 cyl diesel engine design types within it's group!

[Rick Fischer]

Arthur

Thanks for that, proper info :0)

Cheers

RF

[MLD]

As for TDV6s I've come across a few written off because of failures on two rear cylinders. These were D3 engines. D4??? Territorys seem OK.

RF

If i'm correct there was documented failures for the early gen TDV6 built for LR to have bottom end bearing failures. The bearing race/case (i think) spun blocking the oil gallery. By the time the TDV6 in the Territory (circa MY11) was released the problem was sorted. If you get excited by the thought of a cheap territory TDV6, the auto 6sp in the Ford is different to the LR ZF variant. AFAIK Ford had particular requirements for their ZF auto. Ford had a 450nm variant for the NA barra and 600nm variant for the V8, BarraT. Not sure was the TDV6 (440nm) got but i'd bet they cheaped out and used the 450nm variant (the Ranger is 480nm and the MT82 is rated to 500nm). The ZF 6HP26 is better suited to the right hand drop of the LT230, it doesn't have the valve body extend out as much as the 6R80 in the Ranger etc which fouls the front prop. Either way a TDV6 from an AWD Territory with 6sp auto would be a solid base for a RRC or D1 that is a hwy cruiser. I think (and Glenn can confirm) that the OP uses Simtek Body Logic to run the engine.

[Tombie]

Understand that neither Ford or BMW had anything to do with TD5, Did know that :0)

However, the LR TD5 had some very good production engineering values developed by LR. (not real good for O/H though, as I understand). Hence Ford perhaps kept the intellectual property rights of the design, after all Ford owned those rights at the time of sale to TATA..............and the Landie TD5 not used in another TATA product????

As an aside re car companies perfidy :0) Paint on my SVX (comes from Rangie ie "exclusive" Santorini Black, a metal flake black) is identical to paint found on a Ford F250 (parked mudguard to mudguard :0) We didn't actually check the codes)

I do admit to have not looked under the bonnet of a Ranger or BT50 but the sound is redolent of Landie TD5.

Cheers

RF

The TD5 line was auctioned off and all tooling and production gear sold.

[Rick Fischer]

The TD5 line was auctioned off and all tooling and production gear sold.

Ahhhh! [thumbsupbig]