4X4 Australia

[Jamo]

In the latest edition of 4x4 Australia, they've decided to do a 'Best in Class' comparo.

Ron Moon compared the Disco 3 TDV6 to the Patrol, Landcruiser and Explorer in the 'large' class and gave the nod to the Patrol! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

He admitted he owned two Patrols and preferred old technology. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I'll happily take my D3 anywhere he takes his Patrol, and further! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I think the entire comparo was only done to placate their readership, who mostly drive Patrols. At least Dean Mellor and Alan Whiting both said that they preferred the Disco!

I don't think they've got a forum, so I can't go over there and wind' em up! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[rangieman]

one eyed did you expect any thing else from the rice crew not me https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[p38arover]

You could ask Dean Mellor himself. He is a member of this forum: Deano4x4

Ron

[barney]

surprising the prado got up in it's class.
one way of making sure it won was by bumping the disco into the next category where it could run against the patrol.
but then the disco was also in the luxury category.
these comparisons bore me to tears, but i guess i'm gonna have to read it to try to find out WTF they did things that way

[Jamo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover &#064; May 13 2006, 10&#58;10 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
You could ask Dean Mellor himself. He is a member of this forum: Deano4x4

Ron
[/b][/quote]

C&#39;mon Ron&#33; That wouldn&#39;t be any fun. I like this forum and am not interested in having a slanging match here&#33; And not with the editor&#33; If they had their own forum, it would be frequented by enough one-eyed jap 4WD drivers to create some action&#33;

I find it funny the way some jap 4WD owners get so worked up about how great they think their cars are, and get so one eyed; when they should be more egalitarian like me (and accept the fact that Landies are better&#33;)

[discowhite]

i left my mag at work&#33;

i didnt think much of their comments on the fender130 in the ute section.
noddys &#39;&#39;Journalistic credibility&#39;&#39; topic springs to mind. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

cheers phil.

[amtravic1]

Hmm,
years ago I was out with a mate around Woods Point in Vic. We caught up with another group of 4wheelers who were having trouble on a hill. Abbott Creek or Abbott Link from memory. After waiting for a while we got talking to them and they said they were following a set of 4 x 4 Australia trip notes in the mag. There was no warning about the condition of tracks in the mag. Unfortunately the guys in front had a rank beginner with them who had just purchased a second hand Bronco. To cut a long story short the guy in the Bronco made a serious mistake by putting his foot on the clutch with out the brakes on and shot off backwards down the hill. Luckily (for me) there was a curve in the track as my Rangie was 1st in line at the bottom of the hill. The Bronco was stopped by the second tree off the edge of the track and the driver was saved from probable death from the trip into the gully way below. A very long recovery followed and I got home at 4 in the morning the next day. Could not just leave them there.
When my mate sent pics and a letter to Ron Moon who was editor at the time asking that warnings be put on any trip notes in the mag he did not even get a response from him. Had no respect for anything he has written since. Anyway, you only buy those mags for the adds dont you as everyone has a different opinion of what is a good and bad vehicle. Its a shame to see biased reporting by people who may be able to influence newcomer 4wders though.

Ian

[RichardK]

I glanced through the mag at the newsagent, saw the result an didn&#39;t buy it..............IMHO there is no credibility to a mag and "journo" that pushes yesterdays technology and design

[p38arover]

We are probably as bad as any Toymota or Missin&#39; owner when it comes to brand loyalty. They think their vehicles are the best - whereas we know ours are.

However, I do think that LR owners are more likely to acknowledge that LRs do have problems and to discuss them. It often seems that the owners of Japanese vehicles would ever say their brand of car has problems.

LR owners also seem more willing to concede the good points of Japanese vehicles whereas Japanese vehicle owners would never concede that LR have ever done anything right.

Ron

[Bushie]

Bottom line though

Does it matter and do we care ??


Bushie

[stevo68]

I agree with <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Bottom line though

Does it matter and do we care ??[/b][/quote], however it wasnt actually a test but opinion as far as I could see from the article, so it is unlikely that if you have 2 pootrols you are going to give it to another brand. What I would like to see is a test out of the box on Patrol,Cruiser,Pajero and D3 in both diesel and V6/V8 variants ( I get a little miffed when you never seem to see the V8&#39;s tested). Then conduct a test, that would be interesting. As far as I am aware and I have been reading these mags for at least 12 mths, I am yet to see a "shootout" of this nature.

Regards

Stevo

[George130]

People will buy what they want. I got all the don&#39;t buy a Land Rover comments when I bought mine. One friend did support the move. I still bought it though.

[rick130]

At the end of the day, it&#39;s just an opinion, and if we all thought the same and we all agreed, it would be a boring old world. Personally, I&#39;d be more comfortable in an ownership situation with a 4.2 TD Patrol vs a TDV6 Disco III, and it&#39;s for that reason that I bought a Tdi rather than a TD5. Just too much to go wrong for this luddite.

Oh bugger, yes we own a 4.2 Patrol as well, so does that make me biased too ? https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[maggsie]

I agree with you Rick, thank christ we&#39;re all different. There wouldn&#39;t be any jibes or debates regarding British v Jap 4 wheelers for a start. I don&#39;t think any person who takes their 4 wheeling seriously believes half the crap these "experts" have to say. At the end of the day, as long as you are happy with your decision to purchase a Landrover , Landcruiser or Nissan is all that matters.

[Ace]

I think they might be sucking up to the other manufacturers after a Land Rover product took out both last years and this years 4WDOTY.

I feel much better now though, as it only serves to reasure me i made the right decision when i chose not to renew my subscription. Matt

[dullbird]

hey what does it matter

the japenesse can&#39;t make triangular shaped cucumber saaandwhiches like the britsih do

although they don&#39;t cut the crusts off like they used to https://www.aulro.com/afvb/




https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ <<<<not sure about this smilely as it looks like a sadie with blue hair???


dullbird

[damo]

From reading some of Ron Moons 4WDing books and seeing the signage on the side of his vehicle he uses for tag-along business, i&#39;d say he has a sponsorship deal going with Nissan.
Anyone else see a correlation?

[Jamo]

Yeah, I&#39;ve noticed that. He also has a video on the Nissan website.

Obviously print journos aren&#39;t covered by the same sponsorship rules that electronic media journos comply with&#33;

Either way, if you&#39;re worried about technology, then buy a few camels or some bullocks and a dray&#33;

[Juz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(barney &#064; May 13 2006, 10&#58;55 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
surprising the prado got up in it&#39;s class.
one way of making sure it won was by bumping the disco into the next category where it could run against the patrol.
but then the disco was also in the luxury category.
these comparisons bore me to tears, but i guess i&#39;m gonna have to read it to try to find out WTF they did things that way
[/b][/quote]
G&#39;day Ron,
The Disco was chucked into the Large category because that&#39;s how it is categorised by VFACTS. Weird, I know, but that&#39;s why.
The article was an opinion of each class and when you get to read it you&#39;ll see that no vehicle scored a "clean sweep" of judge&#39;s opinions. And, the Disco wasn&#39;t in the Luxury category, although in HSE form it definitely wouldn&#39;t be embarassed&#33;
I agree with other comments - if everybody liked the same thing it would be a very boring world.
In terms of comparos - the Disco TDV6 was pitted against Patrol (3.0-litre), Cruiser 4.2TD and Prado TD in 4X4 Australia&#39;s June 2005 issue. And, it blitzed the field.
cheers,
Juz

[rick130]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jamo &#064; May 14 2006, 10&#58;07 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
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Either way, if you&#39;re worried about technology, then buy a few camels or some bullocks and a dray&#33;
[/b][/quote]
got it covered, it&#39;s called a bloody big 17.2 hand cart horse https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
OK, well it&#39;s actually SWMBO&#39;s Warmblood dressage horse, but the Germans used to use &#39;em as carriage gorses, so he&#39;ll do. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Greylandy]

I think Ron Moon is entitled to his opinion, he just seems to have a higher pedestal to shout that opinion from.

I&#39;m involved in a 4WD club with a variety of fourbies, Japs, Jeeps, Landies the lot. I enjoy th banter and take as much as I dish out. What I do find alarming is how many people who have never owned a Land Rover is under the impression they are unreliable .. and the sad thing is no matter how much I promote Land Rover .. they will not be convinced otherwise and as a result will "never" own one&#33; I&#39;d love to know how that rumour was started ... perhaps Ron is correct in that we are more likely to discuss the faults of our landies.

[PCH]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Juz &#064; May 15 2006, 08&#58;53 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
G&#39;day Ron,
The Disco was chucked into the Large category because that&#39;s how it is categorised by VFACTS. Weird, I know, but that&#39;s why.
The article was an opinion of each class and when you get to read it you&#39;ll see that no vehicle scored a "clean sweep" of judge&#39;s opinions. And, the Disco wasn&#39;t in the Luxury category, although in HSE form it definitely wouldn&#39;t be embarassed&#33;
I agree with other comments - if everybody liked the same thing it would be a very boring world.
In terms of comparos - the Disco TDV6 was pitted against Patrol (3.0-litre), Cruiser 4.2TD and Prado TD in 4X4 Australia&#39;s June 2005 issue. And, it blitzed the field.
cheers,
Juz
[/b][/quote]

The silliest part about the consistency of "large" and "luxury" in this magazine is that the D3 is shown as leader in Luxury class for sales https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ It doesn&#39;t rate in the Large class where Patrol, Crusier and Explorer are rated. So what&#39;s up Doc https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Chris

[Michael96130]

I don&#39;t think they&#39;ve got a forum, so I can&#39;t go over there and wind&#39; em up&#33; https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
[/quote]

G&#39;day, I,m not sure witch forum you are after but i think this is the Nissan version AULRO. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ http://www.patrol4x4.com/

Have fun there https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Mick

[Jamo]

Thanks Mick, but I couldn&#39;t go over to the Nissan version of AULRO and get stuck in.

Ron moon might abuse his position of standing in the 4WD world to advertise for Nissan, but it&#39;s not the Nissan driving public&#39;s fault.

No I&#39;d only go onto a mag forum if they had one.

I pity da fools that own Nissans&#33;

[Juz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PCH &#064; May 15 2006, 05&#58;16 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
The silliest part about the consistency of "large" and "luxury" in this magazine is that the D3 is shown as leader in Luxury class for sales https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ It doesn&#39;t rate in the Large class where Patrol, Crusier and Explorer are rated. So what&#39;s up Doc https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Chris
[/b][/quote]

Sorry, Chris, but you are thinking of Overlander magazine, which does indeed have the Disco listed at the top of the "Luxury" section.
4X4 Australia has Top 20 Sales Outright, Top 20 Wagons and Top 10 utes in its "Numbers Crunched" section.
It has no Luxury section.
I don&#39;t mean to sound rude or condescending, but hopefully that answers your question.
cheers,
Juz