Greetings From the GC and My Stage 1

[DanJay28]

Celebrated 4 Years in Australia this month after moving here from the UK and bought myself a Stage 1!

She needs a bit of work and it's my first Landy, a lot to learn buy chomping at the bit to get stuck into it.

First job is getting her running again as I've been told there is a battery earthing issue. Is there anything I should double/triple check before trying to turn her over with a new battery dropped in, I reckon its been sat for a good 10+ years.

Going to drain and replace all fluids and filters, but is there anything else to be aware of? Any advise would be much appreciated!

Here she is!

Cheers,
Dan.

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[Bearman]

G'day Dan, and welcome to AULRO. THat's a clean looking stage 1 you have there. I'm guessing it's an Isuzu engined version seeing as how you have put your post in this section. These motors can lie dormant for many moons and still start easily with the addition of a battery. Give it a spin with the starter and see what happens. Sometimes an injector gets gummed up with the fuel sitting there for a long time but it is a simple fix if this does happen. I would try it after all the normal checks.

[Phil B]

++what Bearman said.
There are two earth straps that can corrode where they join the chassis and the battery.
One joins the battery -ve to the chassis, the other joins the chassis to the engine, near the starter motor.
Just make sure your fuel supply is clean and the filter filled and replaced and give it a go.
As Brian said I would bet the 4bd1 fires up fairly easiiy.

Mine (in my Perentie) fired up on the diesel i squirted into the cylinders to check the engine was free before I connected the fuel.
Gave me a hell of a fright !!

Good luck !!

[DanJay28]

It sounds like I shouldn’t have much trouble, will report back.

[DanJay28]

As you promised, she fired up fairly easily after checking over everything.

Was more worried I wouldn't get it to stop considering the wiring mess I am dealing with!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VWUO0hIDVQ&feature=youtu.be

Tried to bleed to clutch today to see if I could find a gear, but master and slave are shot, have removed them and the replacements are on the way.

Dan.

[Bearman]

That sounds pretty good Dan.

[Lost Landy]

What a great beast, have to say iam rather envious of it 😁

[DanJay28]

That sounds pretty good Dan.

I thought so too!, just need to adjust the idle as it begins to shake like crazy when I come off the pedal.

[Phil B]

HaHa!!
Welcome to the world of the 4bd1!
Increasing the idle will reduce the shaking but it will never completely disappear.
The idle does smooth out a bit when the engine is warm as well.
Great motors though.

Enjoy!!

[DanJay28]

Update:

Replaced the clutch master and slave cylinders and drove her back and fourth along the driveway no problems.

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I finally got around to finding the VIN and a little confused by one of the letters.

SALLBCAV1AF52....

Shouldn't this 'V' be a 'Z'?

Cheers,
Dan.

[The ho har's]

Not if it came out of the factory with a V8.... must have had an engine swap at some stage do you think?

[DanJay28]

Not if it came out of the factory with a V8.... must have had an engine swap at some stage do you think?

Looking at it I don’t think so, all looks very factory to me. I’ll get some more photos and post them up this evening.

[workingonit]

SALLBCAV1AF52....

Shouldn't this 'V' be a 'Z'?

Cheers,
Dan.

Just a bunch of numbers on my spring hanger. However, the aluminium compliance plate in the engine bay has a 'V' and annotated 4cyl diesel. Did 'Z' at one stage represent diesel?

[DanJay28]

Just a bunch of numbers on my spring hanger. However, the aluminium compliance plate in the engine bay has a 'V' and annotated 4cyl diesel. Did 'Z' at one stage represent diesel?

Looking at my compliance plate, I have the same thing going on.

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[rar110]

Yes, Isuzu diesel. But maybe this started with the county’s.

[workingonit]

Yes, Isuzu diesel. But maybe this started with the county’s.

Mines a series 3 stage 1. What does the 'V' stand for if it is raising queries?

[DanJay28]

Mines a series 3 stage 1. What does the 'V' stand for if it is raising queries?

According to https://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.Chassis_Numbers.html

V = 3.5l V8 petrol (carburettor)
Z = 3.9 liter Izuzu diesel

[JDNSW]

1. I would not be surprised if the different letter was not introduced until after a few had been built with the diesel (possibly quite a few). At this time the procedures for VINs were by no means as cut and dried or as strict as they later became, and there is a tendency to backdate procedures (such as a different letter for the Isuzu).

2. The vibration, especially when idling cold, is normally pretty bad on this engine. Look for body rivets that have failed due to fatigue, and excessive wear on such things as door locks if not kept adjusted, and also fatigue cracks in body panels that vibrate.

[The ho har's]

I think John is on the money here. Stranger things have happened in the early days of Land Rover model changes.

[DanJay28]

Having a small issue here with the engine not wanting to start after it started so easily previously.

I am getting these clicking noises from the relay, once they eventually stop after a few seconds the starter will turn over once or twice and then stop.


https://youtu.be/LlQzzNZwsEA

I have fully charged the battery, cleaned up the chassis grounding again but having no luck. There is fuel getting to the injectors so I am quite sure it is something electrical.

There is a lot of wiring issues I need to address in the coming months, but just wanted to know if there is a simple solution to this just so I can move the car around whilst working on it.

Cheers,
Dan.

[Bearman]

I would try a new relay.

[DanJay28]

I would try a new relay.

Should I get genuine Lucas, or are the aftermarket ones just as reliable?

[Phil B]

The starter solenoid contractors could be corroded or damaged.
They can be cleaned.
Take the solenoid apart and you will see how it works.

[Bearman]

Should I get genuine Lucas, or are the aftermarket ones just as reliable?

Try an aftermarket one. Not much difference these days.

[DanJay28]

I’ll try both of these. Might replace the leads too to give it the best chance.

[Lost Landy]

100% a worn bugged solenoid, my old 110 did the same got so bad in the end I had to hold the key on for 30 seconds before it would try to start some times took 2 or 3 attempts.
I stripped my starter down and found a large copper contact had corroded away on the solenoid made a new one from some 2.6mm copper plate and once reassembled started first time every time.
Saved me spending silly money on a new starter motor.

[JDNSW]

My 110 has been starting for years on contacts made from a flattened out scrap of thick walled copper pipe!

[DanJay28]

100% a worn bugged solenoid, my old 110 did the same got so bad in the end I had to hold the key on for 30 seconds before it would try to start some times took 2 or 3 attempts.
I stripped my starter down and found a large copper contact had corroded away on the solenoid made a new one from some 2.6mm copper plate and once reassembled started first time every time.
Saved me spending silly money on a new starter motor.

You're exactly right! stripped down the starter and cleaned it up, started immediately.

Unfortunately the last person who's been in the starter has stripped every screw head in the process so wasn't too easy. Probably need a donor to replace all the screws at some point.

[Lost Landy]

So how's progress, did you sort it all out?