Range Rovers net

[rover-56]

Something seems to have happened to the Range Rovers.net website.
I can't find the really useful database, only a forum.
Has it moved somewhere?

Terry

[16PMark]

Hi Terry,
They seem to have updated their forum software (I'm using phone), but if you click on the 3 dots on the top right (next to the person box), it brings up an option for advanced search...
I suspect this may now be the way to find want you want...

A couple of other forums I frequent have "updated" the software, (well, the host of the software, not the actual site owners), and "hidden" the useful stuff, keeping the forum looking 'modern and fresh'....[emoji849][emoji36]

So I'd suggest you may have to use the search facilities to find the info you require..?
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[rover-56]

Righto, thanks Mark. I'll dig a bit deeper...
Terry

[TheTree]

I have tried and i can't find any of the reference pages which were not part of the forum

Steve

[rover-56]

Me too. I guess we have to subscribe and pay the fee.
Probably fair enough, it is a good resource.
Terry

[p38arover]

I have tried and i can't find any of the reference pages which were not part of the forum

Which is disappointing as I wrote a few of them. [bawl]

[16PMark]

I don't follow what you blokes are speaking of...
I'm on my humble Nokia, and can look at all forum threads, and then delve deeper into the posts....
Is it different on a PC maybe???
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[p38arover]

We aren't talking of the forum.

There were many, many pages of support info, e.g., details of RR models, common faults, repair pages, upgrades for RR, etc. All seem to have disappeared.

For example, I wrote an article (with pix) on repairing the P38A fusebox and it used to be here (edited so the URL will show:: rangerovers.net/repairdetails/electrical/fusebox.....html

It no longer exists.

I just checked my hard drives but I no longer have a copy of RangeRovers.net on my computer. I used to help the original site owner, John Brabyn, with site updates and editing so I had a copy of the whole site (not including the forum).

[16PMark]

We aren't talking of the forum.

There were many, many pages of support info, e.g., details of RR models, common faults, repair pages, upgrades for RR, etc. All seem to have disappeared.

For example, I wrote an article (with pix) on repairing the P38A fusebox and it used to be here (edited so the URL will show:: rangerovers.net/repairdetails/electrical/fusebox.....html

It no longer exists.

I just checked my hard drives but I no longer have a copy of RangeRovers.net on my computer. I used to help the original site owner, John Brabyn, with site updates and editing so I had a copy of the whole site (not including the forum).Hiya,
Have you emailed John to see what's going on?

[p38arover]

John is no longer involved with the forum. He sold it to VerticalScope some years back (about the same time I stopped going there). I haven't spoken to him for a while - I ring him every so often. I must call him again, soon. (I have visited him in Bodega Bay, north of San Fran and where the Hitchcock movie The Birds was filmed.)

[16PMark]

Bugger..and more words I can't post...
I was recently involved as a moderator in a forum that was, not sold as such, but taken over by "others".
It was an excellent forum, very helpful for people with technical issues regarding their tv viewing pleasures etc.
It totally ****es me off how these types of forums get 'sold out'. (Or overruled in my case)
It completely diminished the whole point of the forum.
People develop a relationship with forums, a 'comfy space', if you will, and these corporate websites come in and throw money around....and it's all gone.....pay for it if ya wanna know it!
Disgusting.
Sigh [emoji849]

[p38arover]

I had a phone call from John Brabyn a few minutes ago.

He's also disappointed that all the information pages have gone.

[rover-56]

I have emailed the forum owners to ask about the RR information.
Haven't had a reply yet.
Terry

[incisor]

People develop a relationship with forums, a 'comfy space', if you will, and these corporate websites come in and throw money around....and it's all gone.....pay for it if ya wanna know it!
Disgusting.
Sigh [emoji849]

sadly the independents are hitting the wall more and more with no end in sight while the big social media players continue on unabated, diluting the knowledge base.

only way to keep independents alive is to subscribe to them if you can...

revenue from ads etc for small players continues to decline 10-15+% per year while the big players hoover 80+% of all the ad revenue and channel nothing back in...

hosting costs for larger independents increased about 30% this year on average..

[prelude]

I believe the figures above but I must say that I do not see those costs myself. I have been fortunate enough to live in europe and close to one of the first and biggest internet exchanges which probably helps, but...

I have run my own servers (colocation mostly, leasing them since a few years) for decades and although it has not been cheap most of the time, I can't see how a forum like rangerovers, or aulro for that matter, would cost a fortune to run. Please do not take this as any negative comment whatsoever I am just curious. I run a forum aimed at ham radio enthusiasts in my country that costs me next to nothing. The forum has 5.6K users and 20K topics and is hardly noticeable in the traffic stats and uses little to no resources otherwise. A vps with a bunch of traffic, a perfectly suitable cpu and mem and decent storage costs no more than a few beers a month, at least down here.

Why is it then that sites like rangerovers.net needs to get sold? Am I missing something or is hosting in .au that much more expensive.

Cheers,
-P

[incisor]

lots of factors lead to the costs of hosting a decent sized interactive site

how many users online at any one time ?

you use google analytics ?

how many does it say is on at once ?

things generally start to really bite $ wise when your consistently having 1000+ users online at once and again it depends on how actively people are posting or searching the site, just reading doesn't take much. people searching your database is what uses the hp and i/o here. the general post rate here on AULRO.com was three times that of the largest UK based Land Rover board last time i looked.

also depending on the time of year etc etc this place has 1500+ active users on at once

how big is the database your tossing around?

lots of little things addup.

good hosting in expensive in AU compared to europe etc

software licences for addons that add functionality or help optimise seo and i/o loads etc etc etc

this site runs on 2 large VPS instances running Debian linux, one for the web and the other for the database server

look up how much litespeed costs for 1000+ users if you want a fright...

[prelude]

I can't find where it says how many users are online at a time but seeing as there are only 13k registered HAM radio operators in my country the theoretical limit of users is reasonably low. Also, it is in native language and not english so it does not attract users from all over the world.

I grabbed some statistics:

Messages: 214514
Subjects: 18048
Users: 5679
Attachments: 14861

I guess we are not close to your figures :) I do not like google one bit so definitely no google analytics. The database total size is something like 10GB. It runs phpbb and we have no plugins that cost any money afaik.

Nice to do a comparo though!

Cheers,
-P

edit: I found it: max number of users online was 637

[TheTree]

Hi

The files can still be accessed at the internet archive "wayback machine"

Wayback Machine (http://web.archive.org/web/*/rangerovers.net)

I looked at Feb this year and the files were there !

Steve

[rover-56]

Hi

The files can still be accessed at the internet archive "wayback machine"

Wayback Machine (http://web.archive.org/web/*/rangerovers.net)

I looked at Feb this year and the files were there !

Steve

Thanks Steve, but I don't understand how to access them, can you elaborate?
Terry

[rover-56]

No reply to my email so far...
Terry

[TheTree]

Hi

You pick a date on the calendar with a blue dot on it then click on the date and time in the dropdown which leads to something like this (8th Feb this year) Most of the pages still seem to be accessible

RANGEROVERS.NET HOME (http://web.archive.org/web/20190209004319/https://www.rangerovers.net/)

I wonder about the copyright on those pages, Ron authored many of them so I suspect he owns copyright on those pages

Steve

[prelude]

Yep, the internet archive is a gem.

Though data there should persists for a looooong time, perhaps you may want to download the articles from rangerovers.net locally to save them just to be sure...

-P

[TheTree]

I was thinking I could host the pages but i'm not sure about copyright !

Steve

[incisor]

I was thinking I could host the pages but i'm not sure about copyright !

Steve

Tread very warily would be my advice

[p38arover]

I wonder about the copyright on those pages, Ron authored many some of them so I suspect he owns copyright on those pages

Amended your comment.

I hadn't thought about copyright. If I had, I would have transferred it to John.

[fixes]

They are 'in the cloud'...rr.net member WaltNYC provided a link whch I screenshot. I dont know how to cut n paste links, but you could type it out and when you get there, make a home screen shortcut to It, to speed up re-access.
Blast!!! There is no 'attach' button that I can see here...if someone can tell me how, I'll attach the sceenshot.

[Roverlord off road spares]

They are 'in the cloud'...rr.net member WaltNYC provided a link whch I screenshot. I dont know how to cut n paste links, but you could type it out and when you get there, make a home screen shortcut to It, to speed up re-access.
Blast!!! There is no 'attach' button that I can see here...if someone can tell me how, I'll attach the screenshot.
when you post there should be a attach button, are you a paid subscriber account?
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[Roverlord off road spares]

They are 'in the cloud'...rr.net member WaltNYC provided a link whch I screenshot. I dont know how to cut n paste links, but you could type it out and when you get there, make a home screen shortcut to It, to speed up re-access.
Blast!!! There is no 'attach' button that I can see here...if someone can tell me how, I'll attach the screenshot.
and
1 is insert link
2 is insert photo
3 is insert video
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