Joker

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OK. This needs to be out there. I know this movie will be divisive. Maybe that is what makes it great. Because, make no mistake, it is GREAT. Not for everyone, that's for sure, but the great ones never are.

Joker is astonishing. Don't even think about commenting until you watch it.

If you HAVE watched it you are allowed to hate it, but a good reason for hating it would help.

IMO it's the best film I've seen for 30 years.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm not really PC. Neither is Joker. Joker is scary, wild, disturbing.

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I thought it was bloody fantastic. A clever film that taps in to general mood boiling under the surface in society today, I think.

Joaquin Pheonix is brilliant.

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I thought it was bloody fantastic. A clever film that taps in to general mood boiling under the surface in society today, I think.

Joaquin Pheonix is brilliant.

In today's world, It is great to see someone who gets it.

Movie of the Century, IMO. Once I stop shaking I'm going again.

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A clever film that taps in to general mood boiling under the surface in society today, I think.

I'm fascinated. I agree, but I thought I was the only one that saw this, the general mood. At least here, on this forum.


Joaquin Pheonix is brilliant.

Really? If he doesn't get the Oscar then I'll know that what I've thought about the credibility of the Academy will be justified. Joaquin Phoenix is a genius.

I agree with you 100%, btw. Sometimes this software is stupid.

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I can only agree. TBO,(without getting too spongy) I found it quite emotional.

I think the ghost of Heath Ledger was evident in this film, don't get me wrong this performance was all Joaquin's, but I think Heaths performance opened the door to let this one fully "go there".

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I'm fascinated. I agree, but I thought I was the only one that saw this, the general mood. At least here, on this forum.

I see it everywhere, I have some interesting conversations with my wife about it....she doesn't like my predictions.




Really? If he doesn't get the Oscar then I'll know that what I've thought about the credibility of the Academy will be justified. Joaquin Phoenix is a genius.

I agree with you 100%, btw. Sometimes this software is stupid.

Yep, He deserves that award big time. We know what the PC folk of movie town are like.

BTW Did you notice how light he was on his feet? He can dance that's for sure and did you see Walk The Line? That's a soundtrack I listen to all the time - great voice.

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I can only agree. TBO,(without getting too spongy) I found it quite emotional.

I think the ghost of Heath Ledger was evident in this film, don't get me wrong this performance was all Joaquin's, but I think Heaths performance open the door to let this one fully "go there".

I imagined that this would be the TAKE.... Ledger would be what we would judge this by... Heath was great, Heath was Australian, all of that.... I get it. I really do. Ledger was fantastic Ledger played what the movie asked of him, and he did it well But this is a totally different movie... THIS is the movie the comic writers were writing.

And Phoenix transcends anything Ledger did. I have never seen a film like it.


Sorry. I have still not got over this film. It's astonishing.

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I see it everywhere, I have some interesting conversations with my wife about it....she doesn't like my predictions.





Yep, He deserves that award big time. We know what the PC folk of movie town are like.

BTW Did you notice how light he was on his feet? He can dance that's for sure and did you see Walk The Line? That's a soundtrack I listen to all the time - great voice.

Yes. Light on his feet.... brilliant everywhere else.. Yes, his voice.

Possibly the most compleat performance ever. And yes, Johnny Cash...... Chilling, and brilliant.

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I imagined that this would be the TAKE.... Ledger would be what we would judge this by... Heath was great, Heath was Australian, all of that.... I get it. I really do. Ledger was fantastic Ledger played what the movie asked of him, and he did it well But this is a totally different movie... THIS is the movie the comic writers were writing.

And Phoenix transcends anything Ledger did. I have never seen a film like it.


Sorry. I have still not got over this film. It's astonishing.

I totally agree, it is a completely different film. I'm absolutely not wanting to compare the two performances because there is nothing to compare. Just really saying that Ledger took the joker character from a stupid frivolous character to one with depth in a way that had not been seen before. That move with it's superhero, actions scenes and the like made it fantastical so less deep. Where as the Joker had none of that, you spent the whole movie in his head so you got to really understand him and empathise, I was totally engrossed. So much so that I had to stop myself from clapping with the (on screen) audience when he was invited down on to the stage for a chat with the talk show host.

The leap that Ledger made was made again by Pheonix in spades. I don't think they should be compared, they both stand in their own right.

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PS it looks like it's just you and me that have seen it or, everyone else has gone to bed[biggrin]

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PS it looks like it's just you and me that have seen it or, everyone else has gone to bed[biggrin]

I'm tipping that everyone else is a bit scared... Just kidding..

If you are interested, here's a good 'interview' with Phillips and Phoenix.


https://youtu.be/2l98OMyDrqU

BTW, have you considered that this might well be the first film with Robert De Niro in it that reviewers DON'T mention Robert De Niro?

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It’s on my list but I almost never go to the movies these days, so will probably wait until it hits one of the streaming services in 6 months or so.

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I'm tipping that everyone else is a bit scared... Just kidding..

If you are interested, here's a good 'interview' with Phillips and Phoenix.


https://youtu.be/2l98OMyDrqU

BTW, have you considered that this might well be the first film with Robert De Niro in it that reviewers DON'T mention Robert De Niro?

Thanks for that - yes definitely interested, it was great to see these guys actually be able to talk about the process and technicalities around make this. Sooo much better than the 'interviews' done by jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel and the like. Those interviews where condescending and almost offensive, I don't know if the irony was lost to them given the De Niro character in the movie.

Yeah, De Niro is definitely only a supporting actor here and I think he is happy to be. He has always been up there for me in the great actor stakes.

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It’s on my list but I almost never go to the movies these days, so will probably wait until it hits one of the streaming services in 6 months or so.

Same as you Gav, I don't often go to the flicks. In fact I most likely would have waited for this to come out on the small screen had the boss not gone and booked Gold Class. I am glad she did because it really is a very different experience... I just try not to think about how expensive those tickets are[bawl]. Either way, I think you'll enjoy it.[thumbsupbig]

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It’s on my list but I almost never go to the movies these days, so will probably wait until it hits one of the streaming services in 6 months or so.

First time I've been in maybe seven years, but I had to see this. Do yourself a favour and see it on the big screen. It is truly stunning.

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I just try not to think about how expensive those tickets are[bawl].

Heh heh, Seniors Card to the rescue. $20 bucks with a pot of really nice beer.:twobeers:

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First time I've been in maybe seven years, but I had to see this. Do yourself a favour and see it on the big screen. It is truly stunning.

I’m sure it is, but I doubt I will.

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I’m sure it is, but I doubt I will.

Fair 'nuff.

OTH, I'll be going again.

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Fair 'nuff.

OTH, I'll be going again.

If you weren’t so far away, I’d tag along. That’s the main reason I don’t go - not so enjoyable on your own.

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If you weren’t so far away, I’d tag along. That’s the main reason I don’t go - not so enjoyable on your own.

Tell me about it. I do most things on my own these days. But even if Jan was still with me there's no way I could get her to that movie. Lol

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I haven't been to see it yet but have seen a few reviews. One of which suggested it resembled a close take on 'The Taxi Driver', but moved from 1970's New York, to 1980's New York. Will see how accurate that description is when I eventually watch it.

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I haven't been to see it yet but have seen a few reviews. One of which suggested it resembled a close take on 'The Taxi Driver', but moved from 1970's New York, to 1980's New York. Will see how accurate that description is when I eventually watch it.

There is certainly a resemblance to Taxi Driver. There are even a couple of TD easter eggs in there. It's not mentioned much in reviews I've sen, but DeNiro is a major player in Joker, in a way. But this film belongs to Phoenix and Phillips. It pays homage to The Dark Knight and Heath Ledger, it respects its source material, but it transcends them all.

Not NY though, it's Gotham. Well, it's meant to be.

It's nearly impossible to talk about it to anyone who hasn't seen it, and not giving 'spoilers' is also difficult.

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I went and seen this last night (on my own..) [smilebigeye]

Agree with all of the above, best thing I've seen in years. Magnificent performance by Phoenix.

Not really a spoiler, but if you go expecting a Batman movie you are going to be sadly disappointed, set twenty years previously, Bruce Wayne is in it but as an eight year old boy with a very minor role.

In fact I'm a bit puzzled why it is set in Gotham at all, as a drama it would hold it's own without the Joker character, and it's probably not going to appeal to that demographic.

Can't really explain why without giving away spoilers, as Molly says, do yourself a favour, GO AND SEE IT!!!

It is confronting, it is dark, it is raw, and it is totally engrossing...

maybe once a few more here have seen it, we could open up a discussion on the story itself.

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The original scrip as it was pitched several years ago, was not a Batman/Joker movie at all, but set in 1970’s New York. Getting nowhere with that angle in modern Hollyweird, the decision was made to modify it slightly, into its current guise, mostly to get funding. Surprise, surprise, but a movie with excellent acting, excellent script, strong character development and no pandering to identity politics gets you a winner at the box office.

When I saw the Rotten Tomato’s official critics initially giving it a less than 20% approval rating, I knew it was going to be a great film. The audience score which came out later gave it a 99% approval rating with tens of thousands of reviews....

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Well the wife and I just watched it.

Got to the end and she looked at me and said, “That’s 2 hours of my life I won’t get back.”

And I’d have to agree.

One of the least engrossing, least engaging films I’ve watched.

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Well the wife and I just watched it.

Got to the end and she looked at me and said, “That’s 2 hours of my life I won’t get back.”

And I’d have to agree.

One of the least engrossing, least engaging films I’ve watched.Funny we watched it last night and didn't think much of it either.

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Well the wife and I just watched it.

Got to the end and she looked at me and said, “That’s 2 hours of my life I won’t get back.”

And I’d have to agree.

One of the least engrossing, least engaging films I’ve watched.

To each their own, I guess. It beats the **** out of Star Wars.

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just saw it, i liked it.
7/10