New Defender Accessories

[blackrangie]

LAND ROVER ACCESSORIES - Land Rover Defender - INTERIOR - INTERIOR PROTECTION - Loadspace Partition - Full Height, 110 (https://accessories.landrover.com/au/en/land-rover-defender/interior/interior-protection/vples0545-loadspace-partition-full-height-110/#tertiary-tabs)

Thoughts on this, does the lower half fold down with seats?

Trying to decide between net and solid barrier option, both rated to same standard.
Would like to have no cargo barrier when I'm not on trips. Or ability to sleep in back for other short trips.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191023/ab271d8ba35723d0840b8939ce49f994.jpg

[cjc_td5]

I would say the centre hatch opens only.

[SBD4]

You should track down the description for the standard. i did when you first posted that a couple of weeks ago. It explains exactly what it means and how they must test. from memory it must be able to stop a 10kg weight at head from pushing forward no more than 20cm past the centre line of the seat occupant in the in front and likewise for 20Kgs on the floor. I think the metal barrier would minimise the protrusion to a greater extent. The soft barrier would be easier to install and remove.

Have a look, t might help you make up your mind.


LAND ROVER ACCESSORIES - Land Rover Defender - INTERIOR - INTERIOR PROTECTION - Loadspace Partition - Full Height, 110 (https://accessories.landrover.com/au/en/land-rover-defender/interior/interior-protection/vples0545-loadspace-partition-full-height-110/#tertiary-tabs)

Thoughts on this, does the lower half fold down with seats?

Trying to decide between net and solid barrier option, both rated to same standard.
Would like to have no cargo barrier when I'm not on trips. Or ability to sleep in back for other short trips.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191023/ab271d8ba35723d0840b8939ce49f994.jpg

[blackrangie]

You should track down the description for the standard. i did when you first posted that a couple of weeks ago. It explains exactly what it means and how they must test. from memory it must be able to stop a 10kg weight at head from pushing forward no more than 20cm past the centre line of the seat occupant in the in front and likewise for 20Kgs on the floor. I think the metal barrier would minimise the protrusion to a greater extent. The soft barrier would be easier to install and remove.

Have a look, t might help you make up your mind.Cheers, did try to find that but didn't find the specifics you mention.

[SBD4]

Cheers, did try to find that but didn't find the specifics you mention.

here ya go:

https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/2015/R017r5e.pdf

[blackrangie]

Mystery of the ladder/luggage storage mounting solved.

Jon Roberts on Instagram: “If you go down to Wendover woods today your in for a NICE supprise 😉. Here's a few detailed shots in some nice light of the pannier, ladder…” (https://www.instagram.com/p/B39pRRcpCPM/)

Have confirmed with dealer that the ladder can be on either side and the storage box can be removed.

Thus allowing explorer pack + gullwing awning on passenger side, ladder on drivers (au) for rooftop tent access.

[CrustyNoodle]

LAND ROVER ACCESSORIES - Land Rover Defender - INTERIOR - INTERIOR PROTECTION - Loadspace Partition - Full Height, 110 (https://accessories.landrover.com/au/en/land-rover-defender/interior/interior-protection/vples0545-loadspace-partition-full-height-110/#tertiary-tabs)

Thoughts on this, does the lower half fold down with seats?

Trying to decide between net and solid barrier option, both rated to same standard.
Would like to have no cargo barrier when I'm not on trips. Or ability to sleep in back for other short trips.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191023/ab271d8ba35723d0840b8939ce49f994.jpg


I prefer the fabric style ones. We have one on our Q5 that attaches into sockets in the roof and then is tethered to the tie down points in the boot. It is very tough - sort of like seat belt type mesh material and very easy to quickly remove. The best part about it is that when you put the 2nd row seats down, it can be moved to similar sockets and tie downs just behind the front seats so you have all the load space and you still have the safety of the load barrier.

Not sure is the Defender will have a similar system...

[SpudHeadTed]

Mystery of the ladder/luggage storage mounting solved.

Jon Roberts on Instagram: “If you go down to Wendover woods today your in for a NICE supprise 😉. Here's a few detailed shots in some nice light of the pannier, ladder…” (https://www.instagram.com/p/B39pRRcpCPM/)

Have confirmed with dealer that the ladder can be on either side and the storage box can be removed.

Thus allowing explorer pack + gullwing awning on passenger side, ladder on drivers (au) for rooftop tent access.

Great see some close ups, cheers. All looks very solid. I like the ladder, great to hear it can go either side. The pannier not so much, seems a bit naff to me.

[blackrangie]

Finally got confirmation of the AU only Bullbar.

No winch cradle needed, winch, cooling pedestrian, camera & airbag compatible.

I know its not going to be everyones cup of tea, but for me and the driving i do, its spot on until something better comes along.

I run a tube bar on my RRC and wanted to modify it to match how this goes around the lights and protrudes around the side.

Looks like 50mm tubing at least for the main frame, braced where needed.
Zooming in it looks pretty strong, but no cow stopper.
I run similar size tubing on my rear bar and front tube bar and you can lean the weight of the vehicle on them without bending

I will be ordering it as part of my build. apparently dealer fit orover over the counter.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191028/84a3be2f3001b1a3798ab844e49e1435.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191028/f6b83922db05bc1e867698eb5b87290a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191028/cfdcca7b285f8595f9b5ec641060e117.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191028/f6b714bc38b78222e78558f413d57c32.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191028/2a2fcb98ad5d4cd4369edc867e965aa6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191028/9ea00bebedbbd42600e719238e2d1992.jpg

[trout1105]

but no cow stopper.

Anything bigger than a rabbit will destroy that feeble attempt, Don't waste your money on that garbage.
With any luck ARB will produce a bar that is worthwhile fitting eventually.

[blackrangie]

Anything bigger than a rabbit will destroy that feeble attempt, Don't waste your money on that garbage.
With any luck ARB will produce a bar that is worthwhile fitting eventually.I can personally attest that that is not true for reasons described in my above post..try bending braced 50mm tubing, ive landed on the rear corners, tubed 50mm doesnt even budge (side without spare is not even braced and is similar distsnce from middle mount of front middle mount on new defender. As others have said previously if you hit a bull, a huge bar is not going to stop it, its just going to cause more damage behind.

[trout1105]

if you hit a bull, a huge bar is not going to stop it, its just going to cause more damage behind.

IF you believe that you will swallow ANY BS story, IF you hit a bull you will do FAR more damage without a bar.
BTW what are JLR going to charge you for that engineering miracle of a bar??

[DiscoDB]

This was the earlier prototype....

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[roverrescue]

BR
The difference between a tube comp bar (I assume yours is one of those)
And the tea towel rack displayed by JLR is the very bracing you talk of

But not the bracing between pipes - but the actual attachment to chassis/structure

50mm tube can be strong - heck most roll cages are less than that in dimension BUT they are attached to the vehicle rigidly. That bar will have four m10 bolts in shear with a small plate running along the “chassis” - lean against bar - and it will flex towards the bonnet.

The pictured bar will have next to no rigidity in the longitudinal plane
That bar like the old LR a-frames or tube bars cannot be leaned into a tree like your Comp bar
It will simply fold into the bonnet.

The tea towel rack will adequately support some spot lights but nothing more.

I would wait and see what ARB et al come up with before paying a dime for that.

Oh and I full steel bars can and do stop bulls and vehicles are driveable afterwards
Been there done that

S

[DiscoDB]

The LR bars have always just been Brush Bars to push aside bushes blocking the Green Lanes in the UK.

It would look better just as a nudge bar for mounting some spotties or a light bar only.

[SpudHeadTed]

It’s not a good bullbar is it. Looks flimsy and terrible on the Defender IMO

[blackrangie]

The LR bars have always just been Brush Bars to push aside bushes (or pesky protesters) blocking the Green Lanes in the UK.

It would look better just as a nudge bar for mounting some spotties or a light bar only.This is the aframe nudge bar with pedestrian impact friendly winch cover

The AU " bull bar" will not as far as I'm aware be available in any other markets, especially not the UK as it's illegal.


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[blackrangie]

IF you believe that you will swallow ANY BS story,

Your on the ignore list.

[trout1105]

Your on the ignore list.

[bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

[blackrangie]

Bull bars are a highly debated subject on this forum and some believe having a big bull bar not only causes damage to the car but also you have to pay for the replacement bull bar itself instead of just damage to the car.

I think there is for sure there is logic in that and logic to the other argument.

I see this as a medium bullbar, not weak, but not a bull stopper.

If you hit a bull fastish, its trip over and your probably dead in most cars.

Let's please not get into a fight about bull bars there are plenty of other threads going on that subject.

I appreciate Landrover has made an effort for the Australian market to give some bush protection to the front end of the Defender and mount a winch.

For me and this is my opinion it will do me just fine until something better comes along. If not ill be happy, its got airbags and crumple zones and ill be insured.

[SpudHeadTed]

It’s one of the ugliest and most ineffective looking tea towel racks I’ve ever seen. An appalling after thought of a thing. LR should be ashamed.

[timax]

Personally id wait to see what the aftermarket come up with for storage , ladders , bullbars etc. I agree that bar looks to attach too low to be strong enough to deflect a Kangaroo at speed.

[trout1105]

I see this as a medium bullbar, not weak, but not a bull stopper.

That bar is NOT a Bullbar of ANY description, It doesn't even rate as a roo bar.
Pretty much ANY animal or a halfway decent sapling will cave that in AND the grill ETC.
It is a Nudge Bar at best suitable for mounting a couple of spotties or a lightbar.
Bullbars are Not only useful as frontal protection from an animal strike they are also used when going off track and pushing your way through the scrub.
That tea towel rack by JLR MAY be suitable in the city or suburbia But on country roads and in the scrub that JLR bar is Completely Inadequate, Can you imagine the derision ARB would suffer IF it offered such "Mediocre" frontal protection for Australian conditions??

[blackrangie]

Personally id wait to see what the aftermarket come up with for storage , ladders , bullbars etc. I agree that bar looks to attach too low to be strong enough to deflect a Kangaroo at speed.From my experience most bullbars attach at chassis height? This looks to attach in a similar spot and integrates a winch mount.

Im not sure about regs but if its a legit factory offering and they want to keep safety rating etc, im guessing it has to allow for pedestrian impact.

Agree for storage, LR have not offered anything for major internal storage/fridge slides etc..A mob has done a proper one for the D5 so ill be intouch with them.

Ladders, i would be very surprised if the aftermarket could come up with a better design all things considered.

[SpudHeadTed]

I certainly wouldn’t want to be impacted as a pedestrian by that hills hoist of a thing!

[DiscoMick]

Nets such as mine can be rated for quite a bit, but the real question is how strong are the mountings. It's no good having a tough net if it rips out the weak mountings.

[scarry]

Nets such as mine can be rated for quite a bit, but the real question is how strong are the mountings. It's no good having a tough net if it rips out the weak mountings.

Correct,but a full cargo barrier IMHO,is better,as it also gives some roll over protection.

But maybe not practical for some people.

There is a pic around of a D1 that was rolled by a poster on here quite a few years ago,it was used in a Milford ad.

[blackrangie]

Correct,but a full cargo barrier IMHO,is better,as it also gives some roll over protection.

But maybe not practical for some people.

There is a pic around of a D1 that was rolled by a poster on here quite a few years ago,it was used in a Milford ad.Looking at the structure of the new defender, its pretty much a big rollcage

Agreed, looking at those b,c,d pillars etc, they are pretty epic thoughhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191028/d22ea17b8ebd087047e975825752c013.jpg

[roverrescue]

BR
Totally agree
That monocoque looks super tough and a steel cargo barrier would offer little extra roll protection

If I was ever drunk enough to buy a wagon again ;)
And it looked like that I would run a drawer system and then net barrier above

Such a shame though that the rear door is so bloody narrow once again

Why oh why

Will be limited to single drawer and fridge won’t be able to be offset to side and still slide out

S

[blackrangie]

BR
Totally agree
That monocoque looks super tough and a steel cargo barrier would offer little extra roll protection

If I was ever drunk enough to buy a wagon again ;)
And it looked like that I would run a drawer system and then net barrier above

Such a shame though that the rear door is so bloody narrow once again

Why oh why

Will be limited to single drawer and fridge won’t be able to be offset to side and still slide out

SSpot on, im thinking removable drawers/fridge slide bolted to 4 points in rear.
Drifta or fourby fitouts are doing good things.

[SBD4]

Interestingly, the new Defender has a slightly wider load space between the arches than the D4 and only 24mm less at the opening. It obviously loses out in both length and height by about 187mm and 123mm respectively. No sleeping in the back if you're taller than 5'10" and susceptible to the odd leg cramp in the middle of the night[tonguewink].

If the back seats can be rolled forward as suggested earlier it should be able to take fridge and drawers side by side like the D4 but how much legroom would have to be sacrificed will have to be seen. obviously it would be fine if only two were travelling....seats folderd plenty of room.

The only other thing would be whether or not the side opening rear door would hinder either a fridge or drawer from being pulled out properly



Load Space
D4
110
Delta
UOM


Width
1235
1211
-24
mm


Between Arches
1146
1160
+14
mm


Height
1027
904
-123
mm


Length Up

914
914
mm


Length Folded
1950
1763
-187
mm


Volume Up
1260
1075
-185
Ltr


Volume Folded
2558
2380
-178
Ltr

[blackrangie]

Interestingly, the new Defender has a slightly wider load space between the arches than the D4 and only 24mm less at the opening. It obviously loses out in both length and height by about 187mm and 123mm respectively. No sleeping in the back if you're taller than 5'10" and susceptible to the odd leg cramp in the middle of the night[tonguewink].

If the back seats can be rolled forward as suggested earlier it should be able to take fridge and drawers side by side like the D4 but how much legroom would have to be sacrificed will have to be seen. obviously it would be fine if only two were travelling....seats folderd plenty of room.

The only other thing would be whether or not the side opening rear door would hinder either a fridge or drawer from being pulled out properly



Load Space
D4
110
Delta
UOM


Width
1235
1211
-24
mm


Between Arches
1146
1160
+14
mm


Height
1027
904
-123
mm


Length Up

914
914
mm


Length Folded
1950
1763
-187
mm


Volume Up
1260
1075
-185
Ltr


Volume Folded
2558
2380
-178
Ltr



Cheers for the math, i confirmed tilt and slide function like D5 is only for 5+2 versions, so if you need that, get that option, rip out the back two seats, get a little more payload to "boot" [emoji6]

Sleeping in back, is that with front seats forward, im tall over 6ft and just fitted diagonally in the back of my old 89 SWB RRC, remember the seats also fold behind front seats so you loose that room.

Length looks like an LSE RR at least behind front seats, so surely it would get pretty close for tallies like me?

[SpudHeadTed]

...1763mm is very short behind the front seats - no sleeping. Rooftop tent only.

So the 130 is probably only 1900mm?

Hmmm ...will Mulgo do a poptop on the ragtop 110/130? That is the big question!

[W&KO]

...1763mm is very short behind the front seats - no sleeping. Rooftop tent only.

So the 130 is probably only 1900mm?

Hmmm ...will Mulgo do a poptop on the ragtop 110/130? That is the big question!

Is there a good pic of the ragtop....I’m sure there are companies looking at options.

Given the vehicle is designed for a rag top I wonder if the roof can be cut in a hard top.

[blackrangie]

Is there a good pic of the ragtop....I’m sure there are companies looking at options.

Given the vehicle is designed for a rag top I wonder if the roof can be cut in a hard top.Here ya go, 110 from the deep gallery archive [emoji1787]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191028/de15e5978ac04c5c8a885269f92f1df0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191028/bd905189cee99480a0b32f0a37da58b4.jpg
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[blackrangie]

It annoys me the proper recovery rear eyes are only X items, they are a part number on spec list and i bet bolt holes are there on non x models.

Pretty sure recovery eyes were seen on 90 in moab etc, this structural pic of 90 has eyes.

Or maybe im wrong and X has different rear chassis?

Non X gets the screw in eyes like Discovery or tow hitch recovery eye.
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[SBD4]

...1763mm is very short behind the front seats - no sleeping. Rooftop tent only.

So the 130 is probably only 1900mm?

Hmmm ...will Mulgo do a poptop on the ragtop 110/130? That is the big question!

I'd expect the 130 to be at least equivalent to the D4.

The specs on the LR site put the 110's length at 5018mm but that's with the spare. According to the leaked details months ago the length without the spare is ~4758mm and the 130 is supposedly 5100mm. So, possibly 342mm extra, if all of which is translated to additional load space then 2105mm floor with seats down is possible.

All educated guesses though!

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[jon3950]

Interestingly, the new Defender has a slightly wider load space between the arches than the D4 and only 24mm less at the opening. It obviously loses out in both length and height by about 187mm and 123mm respectively. No sleeping in the back if you're taller than 5'10" and susceptible to the odd leg cramp in the middle of the night[tonguewink].

If the back seats can be rolled forward as suggested earlier it should be able to take fridge and drawers side by side like the D4 but how much legroom would have to be sacrificed will have to be seen. obviously it would be fine if only two were travelling....seats folderd plenty of room.

The only other thing would be whether or not the side opening rear door would hinder either a fridge or drawer from being pulled out properly



Load Space
D4
110
Delta
UOM


Width
1235
1211
-24
mm


Between Arches
1146
1160
+14
mm


Height
1027
904
-123
mm


Length Up

914
914
mm


Length Folded
1950
1763
-187
mm


Volume Up
1260
1075
-185
Ltr


Volume Folded
2558
2380
-178
Ltr



That's good info Sean. It would be interesting to also compare these numbers to the Prado and particularly the 76 wagon. I've been trying to find these figures online, but stuffed if I can find them.

Cheers,
Jon

[SBD4]

That's the point I've made several times in various threads, Land Rover put all the good stuff in the expensive models. Tow eyes are not expensive and could be made available on lower spec models but they won't do it to force people up the model ladder.

I wouldn't be surprised if the screw-in type screws into a plate that is bolted on to the chassis in the same way the "cool" one is. If so then certainly some aftermarket options possible there in the future or a parts order from the UK might be the go. Just a little mod the to bumper may be required.[thumbsupbig]

It annoys me the proper recovery rear eyes are only X items, they are a part number on spec list and i bet bolt holes are there on non x models.

Pretty sure recovery eyes were seen on 90 in moab etc, this structural pic of 90 has eyes.

Or maybe im wrong and X has different rear chassis?

Non X gets the screw in eyes like Discovery or tow hitch recovery eye.
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[blackrangie]

That's the point I've made several times in various threads, Land Rover put all the good stuff in the expensive models. Tow eyes are not expensive and could be made available on lower spec models but they won't do it to force people up the model ladder.

I wouldn't be surprised if the screw-in type screws into a plate that is bolted on to the chassis in the same way the "cool" one is. If so then certainly some aftermarket options possible there in the future or a parts order from the UK might be the go. Just a little mod the to bumper may be required.[thumbsupbig]Bumper looks the same on both but could be wrong, if bolt holes are the same, ill order the X recovery eyes part number if i don't get the X. But yep i think that will be a quick aftermarket fix.

Rear x recovery eyes are 9t, front 6t

[Rob66]

That's the point I've made several times in various threads, Land Rover put all the good stuff in the expensive models. Tow eyes are not expensive and could be made available on lower spec models but they won't do it to force people up the model ladder.

I wouldn't be surprised if the screw-in type screws into a plate that is bolted on to the chassis in the same way the "cool" one is. If so then certainly some aftermarket options possible there in the future or a parts order from the UK might be the go. Just a little mod the to bumper may be required.[thumbsupbig]

The non-X models have what looks like a pop out section in the bumper already, where the recovery eye comes through. .. but I'm guessing you'd need to remove the bumper to fit the thing. Picture below of rear corner of First Edition and Defender-X
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[blackrangie]

Some more clues for the recovery eyes.
Thoughts?
In the first photo it looks like they have just been dropped there in the 3D graphic

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[Rob66]

I don't think it will be too long before the eye's will turn up on a parts list from JLR or one of the aftermarket parts mobs