OK Boomers, we've been called out.

[bob10]

‘OK Boomer’ Marks the End of Friendly Generational Relations



Now it’s war: Gen Z has finally snapped over climate change and financial inequality.
By Taylor Lorenz (https://www.nytimes.com/by/taylor-lorenz)












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Shannon O’Connor’s OK BOOMER hoodie.Credit...via Shannon O’Connor

In a viral audio clip on TikTok (http://vm.tiktok.com/mLaFtT/), a white-haired man in a baseball cap and polo shirt declares, “The millennials and Generation Z have the Peter Pan syndrome, they don’t ever want to grow up.”
Thousands of teens have responded through remixed reaction videos and art projects (http://vm.tiktok.com/m861Sv/) with a simple phrase: “ok boomer.”
“Ok boomer” has become Generation Z’s endlessly repeated retort to the problem of older people who just don’t get it, a rallying cry for millions of fed up kids. Teenagers use it to reply to cringey YouTube videos, Donald Trump tweets, and basically any person over 30 who says something condescending about young people — and the issues that matter to them.

[BigJon]

I don't think you have been called out. I think it is a mindless response from people too unintelligent for rational discussion. On a similar level to saying "I know you are, but what am I?".

[manic]

I don't think you have been called out. I think it is a mindless response from people too unintelligent for rational discussion. On a similar level to saying "I know you are, but what am I?".OK Boomer! [emoji16] [emoji1702]

[BigJon]

OK Boomer! [emoji16] [emoji1702]

I am 10 years too young to be a boomer...

[Grappler]

Recently I was cold called to participate in a Morgan Poll to do with the Royal commission into aged care
Some of the questions included "Do you think old people are a burden on society?", "Will younger generations have to bear the cost to rectify older people's mistakes?", Who should pay for aged care-The person themself- the Govt- their relatives?"
Im glad I got to put my answers forward (being a boomer), but you can see where non boomer opinion is heading

[justinc]

For goodness sake these stupid expressions are getting out of hand...

🤬🤬🤬

[Bearman]

They are just jealous. We had the best cars, best music, no mobile phones and a great childhood doing most things outdoors that later generations wouldn't imagine doing. If they didn't have their mobile phones they would be lost.

[bob10]

Recently I was cold called to participate in a Morgan Poll to do with the Royal commission into aged care
Some of the questions included "Do you think old people are a burden on society?", "Will younger generations have to bear the cost to rectify older people's mistakes?", Who should pay for aged care-The person themself- the Govt- their relatives?"
Im glad I got to put my answers forward (being a boomer), but you can see where non boomer opinion is heading


You would have to ask who framed the Questions. I guess the answers depend on the age of the participants. I have to say, I think our society has lost it's way a little. When I see young people glueing themselves to roads in the name of protest, well , this World can pass me by, I really don't want much to do with it.

[bob10]

Anyway Grappler, you may be interested in the Interim report into the aged care Royal Commission.

Royal Commission into aged care quality and safety, interim report (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/current-affairs/275029-royal-commission-into-aged-care-quality-safety-interim-report.html)

[Tins]

I am 10 years too young to be a boomer...

I'm happy to fudge the entrance requirements. We need all the numbers we can get.

Funny though, I don't remember any 'boom'. I'm 66. Maybe it's still coming.

[ChookD2]

Maybe we should start a class action claiming discrimination and offence. [bawl] :coplight:

Isn't that what the milennials would do. :mad:

[V8Ian]

Funny though, I don't remember any 'boom'. I'm 66. Maybe it's still coming.
You wouldn't, it was mere hours before you were conceived. [wink11]

[goingbush]

The way things are going we will soon be a minority group ..... .[bigwhistle]

[Saitch]

What has happened to "Gen X"?
Global indifference?

[Tins]

Recently I was cold called to participate in a Morgan Poll to do with the Royal commission into aged care
Some of the questions included "Do you think old people are a burden on society?", "Will younger generations have to bear the cost to rectify older people's mistakes?", Who should pay for aged care-The person themself- the Govt- their relatives?"
Im glad I got to put my answers forward (being a boomer), but you can see where non boomer opinion is heading

As a 66 yo man who spends 2-3 hours a day, every day, caring for my 101 yo mother, I wish they'd call ME. I'd love to tell some millennial what I think of their opinions of mum's generations "mistakes". Mum lost her first boyfriend in a bomber in 1939. He was one of the first Oz killed in WWII. Mt wife's father suffered on the Burma Thai railway. I doubt that many people know what that means. He didn't do that so that some silly girl could post 'whatever' and a selfie on FaceBook.

Mum and dad paid tax at a far higher level than these children do, and they always paid, no question. Now, the children are being brainwashed into believing that the old are the problem? I paid tax all my life. I understand that that money would not come back to me until I required help from the Govt. In fact, that's not true. I never considered I would ever need such help. Neither did my mum. She, and dad, made provision for their old age. Mum didn't even go onto the pension until she was 93. Her annuities had run out. I guess, in the view of these children, she just lived too long.

These days, mum gets a "My Aged Care" package from the Feds. We got lavish promises of home help, gardeners, home maintenance, on call nursing... In fact, we get two visits a day to wipe mum's bum, which she won't let me do ( fair enough, she needs SOME dignity ), and so far I am now on debt to her aged care "provider" for about $10K, as the sub doesn't cover the visits on Sundays and pub hols. This "provider" has ungraciously agreed to hold off on the recovery of the outstanding until mum dies, when they can claim on her estate.

I recall, many years ago, when people were incensed over the GST ( I'll try not to mention who REALLY wanted it...lol ) I was moonlighting as a cabbie. It was a frequent topic. I used to say that I wouldn't care if they made it 15%, provided the extra 5% was quarantined to fund Childcare, Education, Health and Aged care. These 4 are fundamental to ANY reasonable society. Nearly 30 years on and I don't see much wrong with that, apart from the fact that NOBODY saw the medical costs coming.

A society that does nor revere its children or its elderly is nor a decent society IMV. Kids are your hope, old folk are your wisdom. Before Bali was corrupted, 50 years ago, you'd see this philosophy in every village. I grew up a Westerner, but I sure don't think I'm superior.

I want my kids (?) and grandkids etc to live full and happy lives. I especially want them to live a happier life than I have so far. I hope to see it, even though I'm now a dreaded pensioner ( Carer ).

Seems to me that the only way I can make the authors of this nonsense happy is to die. Well, much to some people's disappointment, I ain't ready. I paid my way. I still do, everyday. Mum's cost to the system would triple if I put her in a home. Some days I feel like it, but then I remember what she gave me.


Sorry, bit of a rant, but I can't see anything I'd like to cut or change, so here it is.

[DoubleChevron]

What has happened to "Gen X"?
Global indifference?

THey are working there guts out trying to get ahead. Lucky me :) .... The boomers implemented HECs just in time for us to get through school (so nothing free like the boomers), we left school at a time where we were thrust into a huge recession "that we had to have" (thanks boomers). ... So if we could find a job, it was tiny wages while paying back a big chunk of it as HECs. if you were dumb/desperate enough to take out a supplementary loan you'd probably still be paying the bastard off now ( that was how the boomers dealt with the fact we couldn't afford university .......... offer a "supplementary loan".) I read the paper work and decided I'd starve before I applied for that.

In the mean time, the boomers sold off, the power, the water, the sewerage, the telecomunication, the roads......................... bloody anything that my grandparents slaved there arses off to build. All the public infastructure my grandparents built offf there own backs, the public, halls, the pools, the public spaces. The bloody boomers are still desperately trying to flog them off and shut them down. They won't be happy until they have sold everything to there developer mates that they can lay there hands on.

Not to worry, us Gen Xs's will soon be doing the same to the millenials [bigrolf] Not only that, we'll put as much care and effort into aged care for the boomers as they did into making our lives easy [bigwhistle] :bat: [bigrolf]

Really, this generational bull**** is all just that. The world has changed immeasurably in the last 100years. You can't judge historical decisions unless you lived through them and understood the circumstances decisions were made under. Just imagine how much fun the next 100years is going to be. I wonder if those damn millenials will look up from there damn phones for long enough to realise they are now in charge :o

seeya,
Shane L.

[ChookD2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLpE1Pa8vvI

[rick130]

What has happened to "Gen X"?
Global indifference?We're still here, just doing our thang...[emoji16]

[Tombie]

Keep in mind though, when they introduced HECs they also opened the doors a fair bit.
Previously you really had to fight to get into University - only the top of the heap made it and spaces were limited.

Nowadays you can pretty much decide you want an Arts Degree in Lamington Production and if you have the cash you're in.

Payback on HECs is measured against income so its not too bad if the debt was acrued in line with a suitable Degree that will yield benefit (refer to line above).

I would fall into the post Boomer catagory, and my sons are Milennials.
We're doing fine, and the kids are going well.

One is a just about to become a Professor, the other is about to purchase their own home. Both knuckled down and made their dreams happen.


Everything on this planet is driven by the exponential belief that financial growth can keep occuring - when we finally can shift this measure to something rational things may change.

[101RRS]

Prior to 1974 only top of the heap could go to University (or those that got a scholarship) as you had to pay your fees as you went. This stopped me going to University when I left school in 1972 as my family could not afford it and I was not good enough to get a scholarship.

Whitlam brought in free University which is a win for the future economy as higher general education of the population leads to higher long term economic outcomes for the nation. I did not go to university then as I was working but I did put myself through University from the mid 80s while I was still working.

I was still at university when HECs came in in 1989 - was a bit of a shock to the system as my then income meant I still had to pay as I went. It ended up costing me a fortune to get my undergraduate and post graduate degrees and I am not sure it was worth it for me in my 30s and 40s - if starting at 18 maybe.

I studied economics and on the historical site, education has shown to be an investment in the countries future so I feel that higher education should be free but accept there is a current load on the country's finances.

What is now clear is the education system is geared to outputting kids with a year 12 education even if they are not they are not going to university. This is driven by many companies and industries that want the highest education qualified recruits not necessarily those who are best qualified - vocational training in many cases is on decline resulting in lowering numbers moving into the trades.

Garry

[rick130]

Everything on this planet is driven by the exponential belief that financial growth can keep occuring - when we finally can shift this measure to something rational things may change.

Nailed it.

Our entire economic system is based on something that is unsustainable.

[Eevo]

as long as the population is increasing, financial growth can keep occurring.

[rick130]

as long as the population is increasing, financial growth can keep occurring.The planet can't sustain an increasing population..
There will be wars over water soon enough.

[rick130]

Wrong thread

[Tins]

Maybe we should start a class action claiming discrimination and offence. [bawl] :coplight:

Isn't that what the milennials would do. :mad:


Nah, it'd be a "trigger warning". Lawyers love those.

[Tins]

You wouldn't, it was mere hours before you were conceived. [wink11]

G'day Ian. I see a sense of history after all.... Or is it a sense of humour? I was conceived not too long from your immacculatedness ( can't make the spelling work on that one but I remember the closeness of our birth, lol), so I guess the same applies to you[wink11]. Neither here nor there.

[prelude]

G'day all,

As usual my knowledge about Australia is limited, but reading this forum it is increasing steadily :) I do not know what a HEC is but I guess it is something like what we call a Study Finance. (literal translation) When I, was young our country had decided you could go to university almost for free. Most of the money you got was a gift. When we got 10th year students who were very good at lifting beer glasses they figured out that a part of the money you got would become a loan that would be nullified once you graduated and after that they put a max on the time you could take for your studies. By the time I got to go study the real loans came.

When I look at my brother, who is 11 years younger, he got his degree pretty much without any permanent loans but he was lucky that my parents paid a LOT, most people are not that lucky. The problem we have now is that a university degree has become pretty much useless since too many people have one, a leftover from the time "anyone" could get one. Most people now get into huge student debts (in the US it's pretty bad) to get an education that was sold as your golden ticket to success but no longer is.

Agreed that the educational system has been fine tuned to push out people that can enter the work force and not to actually educate people. I would have thought with what I just typed above that most people would have a broad generic knowledge like what you would get with a classical education but alas. We can see the results of this in our current society where the "young" are insisting on making the same mistakes of our ancestors. We could learn from the past but since that does not pop up on a 5" screen or on facebook, it is not happening and schools are no longer interested in teaching that stuff since that does not bring in the money.

Educational levels are dictated by the lowest common denominator.

Do I blame boomers? yes sometimes. Is it their fault in itself? I don't think so. As a late gen X'er who grew up in a very progressive manner, so I do have some millennial traits, I do feel sometimes that the generation before me got it all and the generation after me will get it all and we are paying for all of it.

Allow me to give one example:

A baby boomer grew up with the car being "holy" and could drive and do whatever they wanted (all things being equal). By now they run into the same problems we do because "environment" etc but they are pensioners mostly and some exceptions in cities ignored, you can still drive pretty much whatever you want and you probably can until you have to turn in your license due to age. We are also led to believe they caused most of the pollution.

Millennials are not interested in cars it seems and will inherit a clean earth with wonderful transportation (or so the pipe dream goes) and I wish them the best with that but there is a generation in between who will have to make it all happen...

We need to clean the earth and pay through the nose and get nothing in return.

This is an exaggeration of course and I really have 0 problems with boomers ;) but I do feel that is what X'ers are doing, working hard biting their lip.

Just my 2c

[Tins]

Wrong thread

The planet can't sustain an increasing population..
There will be wars over water soon enough.




No, wrong thinking. The water on this planet does not change. It is absolutely finite. What changes is the way it is used. The planet is in no trouble whatsoever. It has managed for 4.5,000.000.000 years, and it will continue to do so until the sun dies, which it will. Water may become vapour, or it may become ice, depending on the sun. Every weather pattern you have ever seen is no more than a fly speck on a graph. What will change is that man will cease. Wow! Dinosaurs ruled for 165, 000,000 years, and we'll manage less than 100,000, most in the last 10.00? Are you serious? ( BTW, the climate changed FAR more in that time than it ever will in ours ). Man will cease. Deal with it. It won't be tomorrow, it may not be for millennia, but so what? It will happen. The planet won't care.

Men have gone to war over weather before, and they will again. In the scheme of things it won't make any difference. "The planet" can sustain, but it will choose which population will survive. And it won't be us, and it's an amazing arrogance to suggest it will. We are a drop in a bucket, and it's wise to remember that. You will get to see your grandkids though, this stuff ain't fast.

This planet does not care about us. Why would it? It didn't care about the dinosaurs, it didn't care about the primordial soup, and it certainly didn't care about Uluru ( sorry, Bob and Ian ).

We have absolutely no influence on any of this at all. If you disagree with this you are probably mad, or you have a money making agenda... Or, of course, I'm wrong....

Persuade me....

[Tins]

G'day all,

As usual my knowledge about Australia is limited, but reading this forum it is increasing steadily :) I do not know what a HEC is but I guess it is something like what we call a Study Finance. (literal translation) When I, was young our country had decided you could go to university almost for free. Most of the money you got was a gift. When we got 10th year students who were very good at lifting beer glasses they figured out that a part of the money you got would become a loan that would be nullified once you graduated and after that they put a max on the time you could take for your studies. By the time I got to go study the real loans came.

When I look at my brother, who is 11 years younger, he got his degree pretty much without any permanent loans but he was lucky that my parents paid a LOT, most people are not that lucky. The problem we have now is that a university degree has become pretty much useless since too many people have one, a leftover from the time "anyone" could get one. Most people now get into huge student debts (in the US it's pretty bad) to get an education that was sold as your golden ticket to success but no longer is.

Agreed that the educational system has been fine tuned to push out people that can enter the work force and not to actually educate people. I would have thought with what I just typed above that most people would have a broad generic knowledge like what you would get with a classical education but alas. We can see the results of this in our current society where the "young" are insisting on making the same mistakes of our ancestors. We could learn from the past but since that does not pop up on a 5" screen or on facebook, it is not happening and schools are no longer interested in teaching that stuff since that does not bring in the money.

Educational levels are dictated by the lowest common denominator.

Do I blame boomers? yes sometimes. Is it their fault in itself? I don't think so. As a late gen X'er who grew up in a very progressive manner, so I do have some millennial traits, I do feel sometimes that the generation before me got it all and the generation after me will get it all and we are paying for all of it.

Allow me to give one example:

A baby boomer grew up with the car being "holy" and could drive and do whatever they wanted (all things being equal). By now they run into the same problems we do because "environment" etc but they are pensioners mostly and some exceptions in cities ignored, you can still drive pretty much whatever you want and you probably can until you have to turn in your license due to age. We are also led to believe they caused most of the pollution.

Millennials are not interested in cars it seems and will inherit a clean earth with wonderful transportation (or so the pipe dream goes) and I wish them the best with that but there is a generation in between who will have to make it all happen...

We need to clean the earth and pay through the nose and get nothing in return.

This is an exaggeration of course and I really have 0 problems with boomers ;) but I do feel that is what X'ers are doing, working hard biting their lip.

Just my 2c

G'day, Prelude. Let me start by saying that your English is far better than my Dutch. We don't tend to be multilingual here, although maybe we should given the different cultures we have, but we were never compelled to in the way you were in the EU.

I am going to take some time to read what you have written, and then respond as best I can. I'm sure you will know one thing; "when writing or speaking another language, context is imperative". Now, if only I could say that in Dutch.... Oh, by the way, I'm a Boomer.. So what? I'm a person.

[bob10]

[QUOTE=johntins;2951062]No, wrong thinking. The water on this planet does not change. It is absolutely finite. What changes is the way it is used. The planet is in no trouble whatsoever. It has managed for 4.5,000.000.000 years, and it will continue to do so until the sun dies, which it will. Water may become vapour, or it may become ice, depending on the sun. Every weather pattern you have ever seen is no more than a fly speck on a graph. What will change is that man will cease. Wow! Dinosaurs ruled for 165, 000,000 years, and we'll manage less than 100,000, most in the last 10.00? Are you serious? ( BTW, the climate changed FAR more in that time than it ever will in ours ). Man will cease. Deal with it. It won't be tomorrow, it may not be for millennia, but so what? It will happen. The planet won't care.

Men have gone to war over weather before, and they will again. In the scheme of things it won't make any difference. "The planet" can sustain, but it will choose which population will survive. And it won't be us, and it's an amazing arrogance to suggest it will. We are a drop in a bucket, and it's wise to remember that. You will get to see your grandkids though, this stuff ain't fast.

This planet does not care about us. Why would it? It didn't care about the dinosaurs, it didn't care about the primordial soup, and it certainly didn't care about Uluru ( sorry, Bob and Ian ).

We have absolutely no influence on any of this at all. If you disagree with this you are probably mad, or you have a money making agenda... Or, of course, I'm wrong....

Persuade me....[/QUOT


. First up, I don't intend to persuade any one who is obviously just trolling for effect. Let me start by saying 96% of the Earths water is in the Oceans. I'll let you find out the distribution of the rest. I'll post a link detailing 8 areas of the World where water is/has been fought over, or will be in the future. These are the chapters in the link. Mesopotamian war , Turkey Vs ISIS, Yangtze and the Mekong, Congo and the Nile, Afghanistan dries up, India and Pakistan, Israel and Palestine. The rest I refuse to respond to, it is based on ignorance. And ignorance is what got us into this mess in the first place. You'll have to excuse my abruptness, but I'm not in the mood to pussyfoot around.


The World Will Soon be at War Over Water (https://www.newsweek.com/2015/05/01/world-will-soon-be-war-over-water-324328.html)

[Saitch]

If there are Water Wars, Australia will have to prepare for a large influx of more refugees since we will be safe from the war as we don't have enough water as it is!

Ooh, wait a minute. Let me think about that!

[bob10]

I can't help thinking that all this angst from younger generations came to being through a misplaced sense of entitlement. When populations grow up with a sense of entitlement society suffers. Let me give you an example of the generation of Australians who definitily did not have a sense of entitlement, and indeed in spite of , or perhaps because of, great hardships, gave birth and raised what has become known as the greatest generation this Nation has produced . The generation that fought in WW2, which came home after the war and worked to build this country into a wonderful place to live. Many people tend to forget none of that progress would have been possible without the influx of immigrants from Europe, and it must annoy some to be reminded that refugees from war moved this country forward. Anyhow, where it all started.


Skint! Making do in the great depression | Sydney Living Museums (https://sydneylivingmuseums.com.au/stories/skint-making-do-great-depression)

[Saitch]

Bob, if you're referring to my post re : refugees, I wasn't condemning them but alluding to the fact that Australia doesn't have the infrastructure for it's populace, as it is.
I've mingled with fair dinkum refugees for most of my life, with my primary school having more than it's share of "New Australian" kiddies.
From memory, out of the 30 pupils, 13 were of foreign stock and I still see some of them.

[bob10]

Bob, if you're referring to my post re : refugees, I wasn't condemning them but alluding to the fact that Australia doesn't have the infrastructure for it's populace, as it is.
I've mingled with fair dinkum refugees for most of my life, with my primary school having more than it's share of "New Australian" kiddies.
From memory, out of the 30 pupils, 13 were of foreign stock and I still see some of them.

Not at all. Not pointing fingers at any one. However I think it is important to look back at the past, to get some perspective. For some reason modern humans need to pigeon hole people around them , almost a conscious effort to focus on our differences. Boomers, millennials, gays, refugees, the list is endless. I've never felt any need to be any more than human. Wouldn't it be wonderful for all these disparate groups [ It's probably no coincidence that the word " disparate " {essentially different} is below the word " disparage " { to belittle }] to focus on what makes us all humans, it's a cliché , but we ARE all in this together. For those young ones that complain about the older generation, that's been going on since Adam and Eve. If the World isn't to your liking, put your phones down, and CHANGE it. The ball is in your court , just get it over the net. And get over it. Boomer/ millennial etc is not an age, it is a state of mind.


The anger behind the OK Boomer meme (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/the-anger-behind-the-ok-boomer-meme/ar-BBWLT3V?ocid=spartandhp)

[jon3950]

I can't help thinking that all this angst from younger generations came to being through a misplaced sense of entitlement.

As probably said by every generation, ever.

I find it amusing how the previous generation always criticizes the next generation (and I'm guilty of it too), when the reason they are like they are is because of the environment they have been raised in - created by the previous generation. [wink11]

Cheers,
Jon

[ChookD2]

I think (as a boomer) that the problems started when the do-gooders decided we could no longer discipline our own children. I don't mean beating the snot out of them, I mean discipline, simple discipline. If that was a quick slap on the leg or bum, what was the problem? Do you just stand and look at your child saying "No Paris, don't put that knife in the powerpoint". My daughter got more that one whack on the bum and she is a well adjusted, motivated and achieving adult. I got whacked with a stick at home and at school, I'm not a serial killer!
Then some idiot thought it a good idea that parents should not say 'no' to a child. Wrong!!
Then some dickhead decided that children should be educated on their rights. So the kids go home and say "you can't do that, I know my rights", they are children they don't know **** from clay.
Then some ****** decided that everyone gets an award for participating, WHAT???. Nobody wins, nobody loses, so there is no lesson in dissappointment, no lesson in working hard to achieve a goal. Most now believe they just have to participate to get what everyone else gets. Wrong!!
I have seen first hand young people applying for jobs that they have no formal qualifications for, no experience in, and frankly they should not be applying for in the first place. But because they participated in school and got their HSC (or whatever it is called in your state) they think they should get that manager position, they don't have to start at the bottom, again. Wrong!!
:soapbox:

[DoubleChevron]

Then some dickhead decided that children should be educated on their rights. So the kids go home and say "you can't do that, I know my rights", they are children they don't know **** from clay.


I **** you not ... that actually happened. A guy I know, one of his kids came home and told him they had been taught all about there rights at school. And he is not allowed to smack or punish them............................

This guy is my sort of guy that..... He got straight up and gave the kid a really good boot up the arse and said "Its a bloody shame that doesn't apply to you... Feel free to complain to the drop kick teachers and rights lovers..".

seeya,
Shane L.

[bob10]

I **** you not ... that actually happened. A guy I know, one of his kids came home and told him they had been taught all about there rights at school. And he is not allowed to smack or punish them............................

This guy is my sort of guy that..... He got straight up and gave the kid a really good boot up the arse and said "Its a bloody shame that doesn't apply to you... Feel free to complain to the drop kick teachers and rights lovers..".

seeya,
Shane L.

So, instead of going and sorting it out at the source, IE school, you punish the child. For what? Great message to send. Wouldn't it be better to sit the child down and say that these are the rules you will live under at home, and you may be punished if you break them . [ It's my experience you must have a bit of wriggle room, in case there are circumstances out of the child's control. Other wise you may create an environment where your child won't come to you if they are in trouble, not so bad when they are younger, but critical when around the teenage years.] By all means discipline children [ the old wooden spoon hurt no one, and in our house only had to be shown to be effective], but make sure it is fair and consistent. And always try to make sure it is not " do as I say, not as I do," or you sow the seed for strife down the track.

[DoubleChevron]

So, instead of going and sorting it out at the source, IE school, you punish the child. For what? Great message to send. Wouldn't it be better to sit the child down and say that these are the rules you will live under at home, and you may be punished if you break them . [ It's my experience you must have a bit of wriggle room, in case there are circumstances out of the child's control. Other wise you may create an environment where your child won't come to you if they are in trouble, not so bad when they are younger, but critical when around the teenage years.] By all means discipline children [ the old wooden spoon hurt no one, and in our house only had to be shown to be effective], but make sure it is fair and consistent. And always try to make sure it is not " do as I say, not as I do," or you sow the seed for strife down the track.

Ah, but your assuming he wasn't being a little bastard .... :) ..... I have a habit of saying exactly what I think to most people including teachers as well ( to my wifes great distress ).

seeya,
Shane L.

[bob10]

Ah, but your assuming he wasn't being a little bastard .... :) ..... I have a habit of saying exactly what I think to most people including teachers as well ( to my wifes great distress ).

seeya,
Shane L.

Yeah, I always try my hardest not to try to tell people how to bring up their children, because it's not my place, and most probably I do not understand the situation. I can only say what worked for us, and so far none of our children have been in serious trouble, or deliberately hurt some one, possibly more through good luck than management, but there you go. And we tried to create an environment where our children could come and talk to us, about any thing and every thing. Being a Parent is one of the hardest things in life, and for the main we learn from our own Parents . Dysfunctional families can create dysfunctional children, who can create dysfunctional families, I've seen how difficult it can be to break the cycle. The best we can do is be there for them if they need us, and let them go their own way when they don't. It's hard to let go, but one of the delights of being a Grand Parent is you can give them back. [thumbsupbig]

[bob10]

Here's a thought. Boomers are being told they must work longer, to help the economy, but doesn't that take work away from the younger ones ?


Economist slams Frydenberg's ageing population 'scare campaign' (https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/work/2019/11/19/frydenberg-older-australians-jobs/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020191120)

[JDNSW]

Yes, not to mention that the chances of getting another job if you lose your job after about fifty are pretty slim.

[cripesamighty]

I was walking through Fremantle yesterday and an older lady walked past wearing a T-shirt which read “OK Soyboy”. I cracked up laughing.

[Tins]

[QUOTE=johntins;2951062]No, wrong thinking. The water on this planet does not change. It is absolutely finite. What changes is the way it is used. The planet is in no trouble whatsoever. It has managed for 4.5,000.000.000 years, and it will continue to do so until the sun dies, which it will. Water may become vapour, or it may become ice, depending on the sun. Every weather pattern you have ever seen is no more than a fly speck on a graph. What will change is that man will cease. Wow! Dinosaurs ruled for 165, 000,000 years, and we'll manage less than 100,000, most in the last 10.00? Are you serious? ( BTW, the climate changed FAR more in that time than it ever will in ours ). Man will cease. Deal with it. It won't be tomorrow, it may not be for millennia, but so what? It will happen. The planet won't care.

Men have gone to war over weather before, and they will again. In the scheme of things it won't make any difference. "The planet" can sustain, but it will choose which population will survive. And it won't be us, and it's an amazing arrogance to suggest it will. We are a drop in a bucket, and it's wise to remember that. You will get to see your grandkids though, this stuff ain't fast.

This planet does not care about us. Why would it? It didn't care about the dinosaurs, it didn't care about the primordial soup, and it certainly didn't care about Uluru ( sorry, Bob and Ian ).

We have absolutely no influence on any of this at all. If you disagree with this you are probably mad, or you have a money making agenda... Or, of course, I'm wrong....

Persuade me....[/QUOT


. First up, I don't intend to persuade any one who is obviously just trolling for effect. Let me start by saying 96% of the Earths water is in the Oceans. I'll let you find out the distribution of the rest. I'll post a link detailing 8 areas of the World where water is/has been fought over, or will be in the future. These are the chapters in the link. Mesopotamian war , Turkey Vs ISIS, Yangtze and the Mekong, Congo and the Nile, Afghanistan dries up, India and Pakistan, Israel and Palestine. The rest I refuse to respond to, it is based on ignorance. And ignorance is what got us into this mess in the first place. You'll have to excuse my abruptness, but I'm not in the mood to pussyfoot around.


The World Will Soon be at War Over Water (https://www.newsweek.com/2015/05/01/world-will-soon-be-war-over-water-324328.html)

You accuse me of trolling? Ignorance? Got a mirror handy? You'll need to do better than Newsweek, Bob.

My first point read "No, wrong thinking. The water on this planet does not change. It is absolutely finite. What changes is the way it is used. " I repeat it here as you obviously didn't bother to read it before choosing to attack me. Nothing in your post or the Newsweek link you so rely on challenges what I said.

Mesopotamian war? ISIS is fighting for control of EVERYTHING. Water is merely a part of it. Syria has been mostly desert since history began being recorded. Do you know what a desert is, Bob? The issue there is the increase in population, NOT the decrease in water.

Turkey IS holding back water from ISIS. So What? It's a tactic, and does not indicate that water itself is in shortfall. Turkey has a long history of dam building. You can take up the rights and wrongs of that with the Turkish Gov't. Good luck with that.

I have always opposed the Yangtze dams, for all the good it did. China will ride roughshod over anyone or anything they choose to. Do you seriously believe there will be civil war in China? Tiananmen Square ring any bells? Hong Kong right now?

Congo and the Nile? Once again, it is one country's policy of damming that hurts another country.

Afghanistan? Even the rather weak article you link to points to the mismanagement of the water as the issue.

I clearly stated that men have gone to war and probably will again, but you chose to ignore that and post a link that basically reinforces my point.

You state that 96% of the water is in the oceans. Even that is incorrect, albeit not by much, it is 96.5%, but that goes no way to addressing my point about it being fixed and finite. It's a closed system.

How about next time, before you throw around the ad hominem attacks, you actually read what people write, and then try and refute their points? Failing to do so is one of the many definitions of ignorance.

Have a great day.

[bob10]

[QUOTE=bob10;2951356]

You accuse me of trolling? Ignorance? Got a mirror handy? You'll need to do better than Newsweek, Bob.

My first point read "No, wrong thinking. The water on this planet does not change. It is absolutely finite. What changes is the way it is used. " I repeat it here as you obviously didn't bother to read it before choosing to attack me. Nothing in your post or the Newsweek link you so rely on challenges what I said.

Mesopotamian war? ISIS is fighting for control of EVERYTHING. Water is merely a part of it. Syria has been mostly desert since history began being recorded. Do you know what a desert is, Bob? The issue there is the increase in population, NOT the decrease in water.

Turkey IS holding back water from ISIS. So What? It's a tactic, and does not indicate that water itself is in shortfall. Turkey has a long history of dam building. You can take up the rights and wrongs of that with the Turkish Gov't. Good luck with that.

I have always opposed the Yangtze dams, for all the good it did. China will ride roughshod over anyone or anything they choose to. Do you seriously believe there will be civil war in China? Tiananmen Square ring any bells? Hong Kong right now?

Congo and the Nile? Once again, it is one country's policy of damming that hurts another country.

Afghanistan? Even the rather weak article you link to points to the mismanagement of the water as the issue.

I clearly stated that men have gone to war and probably will again, but you chose to ignore that and post a link that basically reinforces my point.

You state that 96% of the water is in the oceans. Even that is incorrect, albeit not by much, it is 96.5%, but that goes no way to addressing my point about it being fixed and finite. It's a closed system.

How about next time, before you throw around the ad hominem attacks, you actually read what people write, and then try and refute their points? Failing to do so is one of the many definitions of ignorance.

Have a great day.

I read it. You are still trying to start a fight.

[Homestar]

Here's a thought. Boomers are being told they must work longer, to help the economy, but doesn't that take work away from the younger ones ?


Economist slams Frydenberg's ageing population 'scare campaign' (https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/work/2019/11/19/frydenberg-older-australians-jobs/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020191120)

That assumes that there is a constant amount of jobs and that the job market cannot grow - kind of like saying ‘They come over here and take our jobs’

Also assumes that there is someone in the younger generation even capable of doing the same job which a Boomer has decades of experience with.

Just an observation.

[bob10]

That assumes that there is a constant amount of jobs and that the job market cannot grow - kind of like saying ‘They come over here and take our jobs’

Also assumes that there is someone in the younger generation even capable of doing the same job which a Boomer has decades of experience with.

Just an observation.

You have a point, I guess the Boomers can teach the young ones. An attractive option would be to negotiate the time worked. a Boomer with super would probably only need to work a couple of days a week. The gov. would have to change the tax laws, to make it attractive. EDIT. owe you one , cheers

[V8Ian]

[QUOTE=bob10;2951356]

You accuse me of trolling? Ignorance? Got a mirror handy? You'll need to do better than Newsweek, Bob.

My first point read "No, wrong thinking. The water on this planet does not change. It is absolutely finite. What changes is the way it is used. " I repeat it here as you obviously didn't bother to read it before choosing to attack me. Nothing in your post or the Newsweek link you so rely on challenges what I said.

Mesopotamian war? ISIS is fighting for control of EVERYTHING. Water is merely a part of it. Syria has been mostly desert since history began being recorded. Do you know what a desert is, Bob? The issue there is the increase in population, NOT the decrease in water.

Turkey IS holding back water from ISIS. So What? It's a tactic, and does not indicate that water itself is in shortfall. Turkey has a long history of dam building. You can take up the rights and wrongs of that with the Turkish Gov't. Good luck with that.

I have always opposed the Yangtze dams, for all the good it did. China will ride roughshod over anyone or anything they choose to. Do you seriously believe there will be civil war in China? Tiananmen Square ring any bells? Hong Kong right now?

Congo and the Nile? Once again, it is one country's policy of damming that hurts another country.

Afghanistan? Even the rather weak article you link to points to the mismanagement of the water as the issue.

I clearly stated that men have gone to war and probably will again, but you chose to ignore that and post a link that basically reinforces my point.

You state that 96% of the water is in the oceans. Even that is incorrect, albeit not by much, it is 96.5%, but that goes no way to addressing my point about it being fixed and finite. It's a closed system.

How about next time, before you throw around the ad hominem attacks, you actually read what people write, and then try and refute their points? Failing to do so is one of the many definitions of ignorance.

Have a great day.
There's less water on earth than there used to be.

[Saitch]

Too right! What would Noah think of the current situation?

[bob10]

An interesting story on how businesses could help older worker transition to retirement. It mentions that a lot of retirees haven't planned for retirement, and are somewhat lost when the time comes. By moving to casual hours, and perhaps just a couple of days a week, most older workers could move into retirement gradually. Me ? I just wanted to finish, after 46 years, another life beckoned.

Rethinking retirement: How employers can help older workers (https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/work/2019/11/20/philips-retirement-policy/)

[Tombie]

[QUOTE=johntins;2953684]
There's less water on earth than there used to be.

Aside from the small quantity taken to space how do you arrive at this?

[V8Ian]

As you metion, International Space Station. Although they recycle every single drop of moisture, they were recently topped up with twenty-nine litres.

[JDNSW]

A drop in the ocean compared to the amount that is lost into space from the top of the atmosphere! But then there is probably still some arriving as chondrites - I have no idea how the balance between these is.

[Tombie]

A drop in the ocean compared to the amount that is lost into space from the top of the atmosphere! But then there is probably still some arriving as chondrites - I have no idea how the balance between these is.

There is none lost (aside from what’s taken by Space craft).

Aside from that, none (measurable) is lost or gained.

[bob10]

A drop in the ocean compared to the amount that is lost into space from the top of the atmosphere! But then there is probably still some arriving as chondrites - I have no idea how the balance between these is.

Well, we do learn something every day . Never heard of Chondrites, looked it up. Thanks, JD , just made my day.

Chondrite
https://www.bing.com/th?id=AMMS_36476ce5b77b1744b707e76788ffe734&w=110&h=110&c=7&rs=1&qlt=80&pcl=f9f9f9&cdv=1&pid=16.1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chondrite)

Chondrites are stony (non-metallic) meteorites that have not been modified due to melting or differentiation of the parent body. They are formed when various types of dust and small grains that were present in the early solar system accreted to form primitive asteroids. They are the most common type of meteorite that falls to Earth with estimates for the proportion of the total fall that they represent varying between 85.7% and 86.2%.

[cripesamighty]

Just saw the same older lady with the 'OK Soyboy' shirt on walking with her husband(?) and he had an 'OK Snowflake' shirt on. Was driving so couldn't stop. Would have been a great photo!

[cripesamighty]

I seem to recall a T-shirt shop at one end of the main drag in Fremantle. Might have to pay it a visit and see if that is where they bought their shirts from!

[RANDLOVER]

My favourite T-shirt is the one that says "I'm with stupid" with the arrow pointing straight up at the wearer.

[bob10]

Some boomers are doing it tough.


Report shines light on rising homelessness among older Australians (https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/property/2019/11/27/ahuri-older-homelessness/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020191128)

[bob10]

OLder Australians have the highest rate of rental poverty. Probably due to the millenials investing in the housing market, and raising house prices.

Older Australians have become the OECD's poorest renters (https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/retirement/2019/11/27/rental-poverty-older-australians/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020191128)

[bob10]

My favourite T-shirt is the one that says "I'm with stupid" with the arrow pointing straight up at the wearer.

I have one I like, "OLD GUYS RULE",
on the back a series land rover, with " they don't make them like they used to " . Also, "the older I get, the better I was."

[Homestar]

I have one I like, "OLD GUYS RULE",
on the back a series land rover, with " they don't make them like they used to " . Also, "the older I get, the better I was."

More Gen X I would have thought rather than millennials but not sure. One thing is for sure, if you don’t own a house by the time your retired it would be very difficult to get by in later years.

[bob10]

More Gen X I would have thought rather than millennials but not sure. One thing is for sure, if you don’t own a house by the time your retired it would be very difficult to get by in later years.

How are we boomers going to keep the millennials in line if we don't hang a guilt trip on them at every opportunity? [ thinks....did I just say that out loud ?]

[Fatso]

" We live in a decaying age . Our youth spend their time in Tavens and are disrespectful to their elders . "


Anonymous graffiti circa 1800 BC , found in an internal passageway of a Pyramid .


Sort of makes all the speculation here redundant . :wasntme:

[V8Ian]

So presumably authored by a Boomer Plus. [bighmmm]

[bob10]

" We live in a decaying age . Our youth spend their time in Tavens and are disrespectful to their elders . "


Anonymous graffiti circa 1800 BC , found in an internal passageway of a Pyramid .


Sort of makes all the speculation here redundant . :wasntme:

and underneath, was scribbled....
tayyib al-mur [ ok boomer in Arabic,]

[tc_s1]

THey are working there guts out trying to get ahead. Lucky me :) .... The boomers implemented HECs just in time for us to get through school (so nothing free like the boomers), we left school at a time where we were thrust into a huge recession "that we had to have" (thanks boomers). ... So if we could find a job, it was tiny wages while paying back a big chunk of it as HECs. if you were dumb/desperate enough to take out a supplementary loan you'd probably still be paying the bastard off now ( that was how the boomers dealt with the fact we couldn't afford university .......... offer a "supplementary loan".) I read the paper work and decided I'd starve before I applied for that.

In the mean time, the boomers sold off, the power, the water, the sewerage, the telecomunication, the roads......................... bloody anything that my grandparents slaved there arses off to build. All the public infastructure my grandparents built offf there own backs, the public, halls, the pools, the public spaces. The bloody boomers are still desperately trying to flog them off and shut them down. They won't be happy until they have sold everything to there developer mates that they can lay there hands on.

Not to worry, us Gen Xs's will soon be doing the same to the millenials [bigrolf] Not only that, we'll put as much care and effort into aged care for the boomers as they did into making our lives easy [bigwhistle] :bat: [bigrolf]

Really, this generational bull**** is all just that. The world has changed immeasurably in the last 100years. You can't judge historical decisions unless you lived through them and understood the circumstances decisions were made under. Just imagine how much fun the next 100years is going to be. I wonder if those damn millenials will look up from there damn phones for long enough to realise they are now in charge :o

seeya,
Shane L.Are you kidding? The only place those discussions will be held is ON their phones.... [getting popcorn now]

[Homestar]

While I’m a Gen X’er I do get tired of the same old rhetoric about how all the worlds ills are the Boomers fault to be honest. Free Uni was only for the very high achieving and HECS gave everyone a chance to go to Uni if they wanted - only half the story being told as always when people blame the Boomers for no fee Uni - its the other way around, so those that got to go and have a HECS or HELP debt should be thanking the Boomers. And how is it the Boomers fault about a recession? They happen during the natural cycle of the economy - just because those in Power at the time were Boomers doesn’t make it their fault.

I think people need to do some research before blaming everything on them, and also they should have a think about what they would have done in the same circumstances if they were born back then and not when they were. Will we be blaming the millennials in 50 years time for the worlds problems then?

All needs putting into perspective IMO. Boomers have done far more good than not over the years and I find it disrespectful that this name calling is going on - it’s immature and petty, but maybe all Millennials are exactly that? - oh look, another sweeping generalisation there but seems to fit how others are seeing things... [emoji16][emoji56]

[JDNSW]

Speaking from the perspective of someone who was born before the baby boom, a few things we had to manage that would give the boomers pause

University - your parents were rich or you had to compete academically for a scholarship. Not many of them, except ones that tied you to a specific employer for typically five years (competitive entry for them too). And in any case the minimum academic standard for entry was a lot higher than it is today; usually required two languages plus a couple of other hard subjects, plus, of course, English. Only a few years before my time you needed Latin for university entrance - I think you still needed it for medicine the year before me.

Youth allowance - never heard of that. You could get unemployment relief, but only if over 21. Otherwise your parents were expected to feed you and put a roof over your head.

Medicare - you paid your doctor/hospital, but most of the things doctors can do today did not exist, so it didn't matter too much. And ten times as many of our children died before they started school as today.

Vaccination - smallpox had been eradicated in Australia, and vaccines (not free) had started to reduce the incidence of whooping cough and diphtheria. Everything else that can be vaccinated against today, you survived or you did not. The big fears were probably polio and TB.

Antibiotics - became available but scarce, after I started school. People still died regualrly from simple infections - including cellulitis I got when I was ten, and probably would not have survived if I had got it two years earlier.

Annual leave - two weeks maximum for almost everyone.

Long service leave - to get any, you needed to be with the same employer for fifteen years.

Superannuation - only available to a tiny percentage of employees working for either governments or major companies, and then only for senior employees.

Tax - for a number of years I paid a marginal rate of 67 cents in the dollar. And stop worrying about 10% GST - sales tax could be up to about 30%

Mortgage rate - has never been as low as it is now.

Workplace safety - what's that?

I could go on, but these are a few of the things us older Australians lived with, as well as easy-to-get jobs and - my feeling is that if we managed to make a go of it and survived, we should be entitled to a reasonably comfortable old age.

[Tombie]

Amazing how humble experience can make people hey JD.

A significant number of later generations owe their existence to medicine be it during their birth, immunisations or other medical treatment.

Glad you were one that survived mate, one day would like to shake your hand and have a beverage with you.

[DiscoMick]

Yes, visited several graveyards up north during our recent wander and it was obvious that in some families the majority of children died.

[JDNSW]

Drop in some time!

[JDNSW]

Yes, visited several graveyards up north during our recent wander and it was obvious that in some families the majority of children died.

Some years ago I visited the graveyard at Cadia village, where my father lived about 1905-10. From memory, there were about 35 graves there - including six adults. My father's next younger brother was not buried there - he was rushed (in a borrowed sulky) to the nearest doctor in Orange, but was DOA and buried in Orange. (diphtheria)

[Tins]

[QUOTE=johntins;2953684]

I read it. You are still trying to start a fight.

Nope. Merely stating my opinion. If my opinion disagrees with yours' you seem to think there's a fight at hand. Are you so insecure?

[Tins]

[QUOTE=johntins;2953684]
There's less water on earth than there used to be.

Really Ian? Do you have evidence? Peer reviewed papers?

[V8Ian]

[QUOTE=V8Ian;2953716]

Really Ian? Do you have evidence? Peer reviewed papers?
Yep, just under 20L was sent to top up the International space station. [bigrolf]

[Tins]

[QUOTE=johntins;2958086]
Yep, just under 20L was sent to top up the International space station. [bigrolf]

Was that 'peer reviewed'? Also, will it come back down when the ISS eventually does? Do try and keep up. [biggrin]

[V8Ian]

It took a while but I knew I'd get a bite. Fishings all about patience, isn't it? [wink11]

[DiscoMick]

[QUOTE=johntins;2958086]
Yep, just under 20L was sent to top up the International space station. [bigrolf]Where it would be repeatedly recycled. Or still be in the atmosphere.