New Rivian Video

[goingbush]

Im sorta glad that Bollinger set their price at around ~AU$200k No vehicle is worth that, no matter how good it is.

If I'd have committed to one of those (and would have if it was around AU$125k) I would not be able to afford one of these.


https://youtu.be/6GSi_pGNN6E

[roverrescue]

Deeper wading than the new defender thing
Must be all them batteries weighing it down!!!

I wonder how they go in 600mm fast flowing water!

S

[blackrangie]

Deeper wading than the new defender thing
Must be all them batteries weighing it down!!!

I wonder how they go in 600mm fast flowing water!

SApparently defender and disco will go over 900mm, however this is a safe limit for obvious reasons, i wonder if rivian is IP rated and its engineers say systems will be ok to open doors mid stream to stop it floating.

[roverrescue]

Who knows

I was just looking at that video blurb that said wading depth greater than 3feet ?

I’m guessing it will be well heavier than defender with 400mile range it will have some batteries
If you put an extra tonne into the defender it would probably go through a metre too
But it would never do 0-100 in three seconds! That’s nuts.

S

[blackrangie]

Who knows

I was just looking at that video blurb that said wading depth greater than 3feet ?

I’m guessing it will be well heavier than defender with 400mile range it will have some batteries
If you put an extra tonne into the defender it would probably go through a metre too
But it would never do 0-100 in three seconds! That’s nuts.

STrue but who wants an extra toone, 4x4ing is about reducing weight.

[roverrescue]

BwahHahahahaha hahaha

The new defender is out the door 600kg or so heavier than my 130
Or in percentage terms 33% heavier

And your calling it a lightweight!!!!

The new defender will be deadset terrible in tea tree swamp country
Just like 200series are - but anyways I care not as we are comparing a luxo SUV wagon to a pickup. There is no market share between an electric Ute and a small IC luxury wagon.

[blackrangie]

BwahHahahahaha hahaha

The new defender is out the door 600kg or so heavier than my 130
Or in percentage terms 33% heavier

And your calling it a lightweight!!!!

The new defender will be deadset terrible in tea tree swamp country
Just like 200series are - but anyways I care not as we are comparing a luxo SUV wagon to a pickup. There is no market share between an electric Ute and a small IC luxury wagon.

Lots of laughing there, but your facts are wrong.

Its only a few hundred kg heavier

2.36t from memory.

130 is 2.12t

[roverrescue]

My tdci 130 with me and about half fuel load (75L) just cracked 1950kg on the weighbrisge
I too like to keep things light.

I thought the new one was 2450kg tare?

My old 130 was just over 1850kg tare. Alloy tray significantly lighter than the tub.

Anyways - it’s not really a comparison Between tray back and wagon

I’m happy your happy
Neither of us would be happy In the others shoes

But you can’t think that a new defender is a lightweight !!!!

S

[blackrangie]

My tdci 130 with me and about half fuel load (75L) just cracked 1950kg on the weighbrisge
I too like to keep things light.

I thought the new one was 2450kg tare?

My old 130 was just over 1850kg tare. Alloy tray significantly lighter than the tub.

Anyways - it’s not really a comparison Between tray back and wagon

I’m happy your happy
Neither of us would be happy In the others shoes

But you can’t think that a new defender is a lightweight !!!!

S

New def 110 5 seater 2.36t

130 is 2.12t

240kg difference (not if someone has added a hardtop)

New 110 has better offroad angles

Ill take the clearance under an ifs long travel air susp truck on 32s over pumpkins anyday in swampy terrain. Add to that the power to weight ratio to get through it with the skinny pedal when you need it.

New defender is pretty light imo for the specs you get and 3 times stronger than body on frame they say. Not to shabby [emoji6]

[roverrescue]

Aussie specs on tdci

https://www.landrover.com.au/Images/LR9624_2015_Defender_Spec_Sheet_300x215_Con_LR_tcm 296-122934.pdf

130 Cab chassis a shade under 1900kg Tare weigh

And mine on a weighbridge went 1950 with me and I dunno 50-60L of dieso ally tray ARB bar on it ....

Weight kills off-road performance - but as you say it’s not too bad weight wise considering all the Mumbo Jumbo it’s carrying! I’m sure it will perform admirably in nearly off road situations
And surely more competent than a Rivian !!!! :)

[blackrangie]

Aussie specs on tdci

https://www.landrover.com.au/Images/LR9624_2015_Defender_Spec_Sheet_300x215_Con_LR_tcm 296-122934.pdf

130 Cab chassis a shade under 1900kg Tare weigh

And mine on a weighbridge went 1950 with me and I dunno 50-60L of dieso ally tray ARB bar on it ....

Weight kills off-road performance - but as you say it’s not too bad weight wise considering all the Mumbo Jumbo it’s carrying! I’m sure it will perform admirably in nearly off road situations
And surely more competent than a Rivian !!!! :)Yeah had a look at that, cab chassis is with just that, a cab and a chassis, most people buy and keep 130 with a tub which has a kerb weight of 2117kg

The link you provided shows weights with no driver and 10L fuel, the model you showed showed no tray.

The weight i provided for both are kerb weights, the new def weight includes 75kg driver, all oils and 90% fuel.

Just wanted to clarify that all as i think you will find that with a canopy on a 130, full of fuel, oil and a driver there is really not much between them weight wise [emoji1417][emoji4].

Great the weight of your personal car is low on a weightbrindge, however we are comparing factory models like for like.

[cripesamighty]

This is possibly going to be the third Rivian model to come out in the next few years. Interesting if it pans out!

Could This Rendering of a Rally-Inspired EV Preview Rivian’s Upcoming Third Model? - The Drive (https://www.thedrive.com/news/30579/could-this-rendering-of-a-rally-inspired-ev-preview-rivians-upcoming-third-model)

[roverrescue]

We must drive in different places?

I would guess 3:1 for 130s I see are tray on cab chassis vs tub. And far less than that have canopies on them.

It matters not I’ll still happily carry a 44 of bang juice for you mate when we do the canning ;)

S

[blackrangie]

We must drive in different places?

I would guess 3:1 for 130s I see are tray on cab chassis vs tub. And far less than that have canopies on them.

It matters not I’ll still happily carry a 44 of bang juice for you mate when we do the canning ;)

SHaha..indeed, ill just chuck 1 poly 40L jerry on the rack or one of those tyre surround jobbies, with roof load of up to 168kg will not even notice it and it will be dead level with airbags.

I admit rooftop fuel is not ideal for rollovers.

Jerrys dont need an engineers cert like long range tanks do and don't add 50kg+ of weight. Im not a fan of big tanks behind rear axle or heavy rear bars etc.

Poly jerrys are 2kg each or 3kg for a double poly

K9 Water Tank Holder - AECAA Pty Ltd T/A Automotive Electrical & 4WD Acce (http://www.dolium.com.au/retail_catalogue/K9A-205_item.html)

Or maybe a boab style

Stock 90L tank should do pretty good and its in the belly.

Add the attached Jerry and no bulky Long Range Tank with the very powerfull 6 you get 1100km on blacktop

Whilst the diesels would go around 1400km

I think 130s have 75L stock don't they?
With 2 Jerries you would be getting 1030km on the blacktop @ factory claimed combined 11.1km/100

Carrying separate fuel in separate tanks gives you outback redundancy should you puncture your main. So if and when i do replace the main with a bigger poly one in the belly, I will always have some form of jerry somewhere on outback trips along with 3m of clear tubing..or you can carry it for me if you like, cheers [emoji6][emoji1787]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191112/a1c7eb6029571180be6ab49c46e0f3c9.jpg

[Homestar]

Can you take the Defender BS back to the Defender thread please and argue about it there...

[manic]

The Rivian has four independent electric motors, zero need for braked traction control or diff locks.

That kind of drive train absolutely obliterates the Defender in terms of capability.

Good size tyres with plenty of float and it should do very well. It certainly won't feel it's weight or any drag with all that power!

If they can put a gas turbine range extender on these platforms it will be next level!

Mitsubishi Mi-Tech Debuts As Open-Top SUV With Gas Turbine Engine (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motor1.com/news/377920/mitsubishi-mi-tech-concept-revealed/amp/)

To keep up, Land Rover would need to completely redesign their platform for FOUR motor drive!

[blackrangie]

Can you take the Defender BS back to the Defender thread please and argue about it there...Wow, get up on wrong side of the bed? I though shortening swear words was against the rules?

Welcome to move it if you like, the second post was about the defender and this is a LR forum, subjects are always going to come back to LR [emoji1787].

Rivian if and when it ever comes to AU could be a new defender competitor so its fair enough to compare.

[blackrangie]

The Rivian has four independent electric motors, zero need for braked traction control or diff locks.

That kind of drive train absolutely obliterates the Defender in terms of capability.

Good size tyres with plenty of float and it should do very well. It certainly won't feel it's weight or any drag with all that power!

If they can put a gas turbine range extender on these platforms it will be next level!

Mitsubishi Mi-Tech Debuts As Open-Top SUV With Gas Turbine Engine (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motor1.com/news/377920/mitsubishi-mi-tech-concept-revealed/amp/)

To keep up, Land Rover would need to completely redesign their platform for FOUR motor drive!I think LRs system in MLA is Electric motor front and rear where the diffs usually are.

I believe LR have come out saying full BEVs 4x4s are counterproductive efficiency wise.

[Homestar]

Wow, get up on wrong side of the bed? I though shortening swear words was against the rules?

Welcome to move it if you like, the second post was about the defender and this is a LR forum, subjects are always going to come back to LR [emoji1787].

Rivian if and when it ever comes to AU could be a new defender competitor so its fair enough to compare.

Not at all but I don’t care for your passive aggressive reply either - you’ve been warned about that from others not me - if you think I’m breaking the rules, report it, you know how to do that. It’s bad enough that this bickering goes on in one forum section let alone multiple. Yes, there was a post that discussed defender versus the Rivian, but we don’t need the old v new deefer garbage spreading into this forum. I won’t move the next one, I’ll just delete it. Final warning. Happy for deefer versus rivian here, that’s fair game.

[blackrangie]

Not at all but I don’t care for your passive aggressive reply either - you’ve been warned about that from others not me - if you think I’m breaking the rules, report it, I don’t care. It’s bad enough that this bickering goes on in one forum section let alone multiple. Yes, there was a post that discussed defender versus the Rivian, but we don’t need the old v new deefer garbage spreading into this forum. I won’t move the next one, I’ll just delete it. Final warning. Happy for deefer versus rivian here, that’s fair game.Same could be said to you, instead of being rude on a forum thread that was going well organically and basically killing it, why not tactfully pm those that are not posting what they should or say it in a nice way?

I still dont agree anything was posted wrong in this thread, it was an organic convo.

Saying that multiple people talking about the rivian and how it compares to the new defender or an old 130 is "a swear word" is extremely rude imo.

Passive aggressive, not at all, whats worse passive aggressive or just aggressive, I was pointing out where i think you were wrong, did you expect people to reply with a " no worries" to your post.

I've mentioned to you multiple times why I don't bother reporting you, that fact that you don't care about being reported says a lot.

[blackrangie]

The Rivian has four independent electric motors, zero need for braked traction control or diff locks.

That kind of drive train absolutely obliterates the Defender in terms of capability.

Good size tyres with plenty of float and it should do very well. It certainly won't feel it's weight or any drag with all that power!

If they can put a gas turbine range extender on these platforms it will be next level!

Mitsubishi Mi-Tech Debuts As Open-Top SUV With Gas Turbine Engine (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motor1.com/news/377920/mitsubishi-mi-tech-concept-revealed/amp/)

To keep up, Land Rover would need to completely redesign their platform for FOUR motor drive!Uggh, Getting back to the subject.

This Is LRs system

However check this out.

Jaguar Land Rover believes battery power is not the best choice for heavy SUVs (https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/jlr-believes-battery-power-not-best-choice-heavy-suvs)

I think we will see a nitrogen powered defender based on these comments, or maybe as you mention some other combo.

Will also be interesting to see how rivian does with range in Australia in the outback with air conditioning,radio, lights etc on or in winter in other countries with heater going full blast.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191113/1c361a4c90397d4e1c6c00f8d05c5abb.jpg

[manic]

BR, that's a two motor system running through differentials. The Rivian has a dedicated motor for each wheel, no diffs afaik.

[roverrescue]

Apologies to all upset
I did let things drift a bit away from the Rivian

I believe FORD has an F150 EV with 400 mile range close
Will be so interesting to see where a big player goes with EV pickup

Too be honest I wouldn’t be surprised if Rivian gets a buyout offer from Ford etc
Maybe then the front clip might look good!

S

[goingbush]

I think LRs system in MLA is Electric motor front and rear where the diffs usually are.

I believe LR have come out saying full BEVs 4x4s are counterproductive efficiency wise.

LandRover are full of ****, heres another fact, Braked traction control is counterproductive to traction.

[goingbush]

Apologies to all upset
I did let things drift a bit away from the Rivian

I believe FORD has an F150 EV with 400 mile range close
Will be so interesting to see where a big player goes with EV pickup

Too be honest I wouldn’t be surprised if Rivian gets a buyout offer from Ford etc
Maybe then the front clip might look good!

S


There is a Rivian prototype , Mule if you like, F150 body on a Rivian skateboard .

2020 Rivian A1T pickup truck EV spied with F-150 body | Autoblog (https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/13/2020-rivian-a1t-electric-pickup-spy-shots-ford-f-150/)

Im guessing this is likely to be one...


https://youtu.be/4elIMVO4ytk

[blackrangie]

BR, that's a two motor system running through differentials. The Rivian has a dedicated motor for each wheel, no diffs afaik.Agreed

[blackrangie]

Apologies to all upset
I did let things drift a bit away from the Rivian

I believe FORD has an F150 EV with 400 mile range close
Will be so interesting to see where a big player goes with EV pickup

Too be honest I wouldn’t be surprised if Rivian gets a buyout offer from Ford etc
Maybe then the front clip might look good!

SThey have huge financial backing from some big companies.

I've got a soft spot for rivian was posting up about them in the won't be retro thread early days from memory. One looks like a Rangie

[blackrangie]

LandRover are full of....Explain howso with facts rather than swearing? [emoji6]

Their logic makes sense to me when you start talking about touring range, not just to your local shops.

[goingbush]

Explain howso with facts rather than swearing? [emoji6]

Their logic makes sense to me when you start talking about touring range, not just to your local shops.

Traction control works via application off the brake, thus robbing power and momentum, its inefficient, not to mention wears out the diff.
Range Anxiety or not, all cars will be electric faster than you can say Jack Robinson, something you need to live with, or catch a bus. (that will be an Electric bus)

[blackrangie]

Traction control works via application off the brake, thus robbing power and momentum, its inefficient, not to mention wears out the diff.
Range Anxiety or not, all cars will be electric faster than you can say Jack Robinson, something you need to live with, or catch a bus. (that will be an Electric bus)

Not talking about traction control, ill leave that for another appropriate thread. However i have no probs with how the latest LR products perform in this regard.

Sorry, so how is LR wrong by saying what they are saying above regarding BEVs not being suitable for large SUVs? I dont see your answer fact wise.

They are basically saying that other more appropriate Technologies might be more suitable, how is that not reasonable.

It seems to be that the most common argument against BEVs on this forum mimics LRs sentiments also.

[Tombie]

Apologies to all upset
I did let things drift a bit away from the Rivian

I believe FORD has an F150 EV with 400 mile range close
Will be so interesting to see where a big player goes with EV pickup

Too be honest I wouldn’t be surprised if Rivian gets a buyout offer from Ford etc
Maybe then the front clip might look good!

S

Ford and Rivian have a business partnership. Could end up being a winning combo

[Pedro_The_Swift]

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Report me too,, I dont care. I cant. Its my job.
By this stage, in THIS Forum,, if you have a MOD post/counselling you, you should realise that you are not conforming to how we want this Forum to work,,
its as simple as that.
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[Arapiles]

Outside magazine - which is the US outdoors magazine that spawned a million lookalike magazines, including some in Australia - has, in their current issue an article on the Rivian. Which suggests that they're starting to build their marketing.

The Next-Gen Outdoor Innovations We're Watching | Outside Online (https://www.outsideonline.com/2404650/innovation-2019-tools)


The current story is a lot less critical than this one from last year:

A Tempered Analysis of Rivian's New Electric Trucks | Outside Online (https://www.outsideonline.com/2371726/electric-trucks-rivian-new-analysis)

[Tombie]

Outside wasn’t the original name of the magazine that spawned it all, but the owner was offered to by the name of his competitor and the rest is history.

[Arapiles]

Outside wasn’t the original name of the magazine that spawned it all, but the owner was offered to by the name of his competitor and the rest is history.

Jann Wenner, of Rolling Stone, started Outside and then sold it to the current owner:

From Wikipedia:


Outside's founders were Jann Wenner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jann_Wenner) (the first editor in chief), William Randolph Hearst III (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst_III) (its first managing editor), and Jack Ford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gardner_Ford) (an assistant to founding publisher Donald Welsh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Welsh) and a son of former U.S. President Gerald Ford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford)).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_(magazine)#cite_note-3) Wenner sold Outside to current owner Lawrence J. Burke two years later. Burke merged it into his magazine Mariah (founded in 1976) and after a period of using the name Mariah/Outside kept the Outside name for the merged magazine. [4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_(magazine)#cite_note-4) Christopher Keyes (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php'title=Christopher_Keyes&action=edit&redlink=1) is the current editor.

So, Outside was started by Wenner, got sold to Burke and then won awards, launched careers and got copied endlessly. Burke would have it that he had the idea first.

BTW, Burke drives Land Rovers:

http://www.landroverofficialmagazine.com/issue01#!a-drive-with-larry-burke

[Tombie]

Correct. And Mariah was the original outdoor magazine.

There was a write up about him in LR magazine a few years back. They did an interview and he told of how this transpired.

[tc_s1]

Newest video. It looks like they have something here - YouTube (https://youtu.be/utyebA0ccx8)

[grey_ghost]

Even though it's mainly marketing hype - I really liked the video, and like what I see with the vehicle itself.. Naturally I'd like to see one in the flesh, and test drive it - but looks good in my eyes. [thumbsupbig]

[rick130]

A new Rivian vid

Long Way Up | Electric Adventure Vehicles | Rivian - YouTube (https://youtu.be/ggu11EJo4L8)

[DeanoH]

........................ Range Anxiety or not, all cars will be electric faster than you can say Jack Robinson, something you need to live with, or catch a bus. (that will be an Electric bus)


Actually the perfect vehicle for us Melbournites at the moment .............................. it only needs to have a 10 Km range :(

Deano :(

[grey_ghost]

“Some of the remote places possible”

Hmm - can I drive from Melbourne, to Marree, Lake Eyre, Coober Pedy, Macdonald Ranges, Uluru, Alice - and find charging stations?

If the answer is yes - THEN SIGN ME UP. [emoji3]

[350RRC]

A new Rivian vid

Long Way Up | Electric Adventure Vehicles | Rivian - YouTube (https://youtu.be/ggu11EJo4L8)

Quote from the vid:

'Wow, this place is is amazing', then they proceed to rip it up.

Lost me right there, kinda like having an eco conscious version of the 4" lifted LC / Ratrol brigade on 35's doing exactly the same rubbish with the vehicle. [bigwhistle]

Except it's probably ok for the Rivian crew because it's a 'green' vehicle. [bigrolf]

To me, it just makes it a lot worse.

cheers, DL

[Arapiles]

Quote from the vid:

'Wow, this place is is amazing', then they proceed to rip it up.

Lost me right there, kinda like having an eco conscious version of the 4" lifted LC / Ratrol brigade on 35's doing exactly the same rubbish with the vehicle. [bigwhistle]

Except it's probably ok for the Rivian crew because it's a 'green' vehicle. [bigrolf]

To me, it just makes it a lot worse.

cheers, DL


Agreed, lost me when they started doing donuts. Might work for the B&S crowd but I doubt that the B&S crowd are going to be a viable market.

And did they say that they installed a chain of charging stations just for the Long Way Up film?

[NavyDiver]

“Some of the remote places possible”

Hmm - can I drive from Melbourne, to Marree, Lake Eyre, Coober Pedy, Macdonald Ranges, Uluru, Alice - and find charging stations?

If the answer is yes - THEN SIGN ME UP. [emoji3]
It is a clear issue. I did read about charging EV using Solar panels . Works for home or better still for work (https://www.drivingelectric.com/your-questions-answered/132/can-solar-panels-charge-electric-car) That article suggest installing a battery and pay back time over 20 years. Batteries are not really a more than 10 year possibly at all I think.

No really flexible way to carry the number of panels to charge in a reasonable time frame. Even with newer [B]300-watt Panels. 4 would give under a KwH of charge per hour and over a week to charge a decent sized battery. A Rivian 180Kwh is about two weeks[biggrin]

[grey_ghost]

Don’t get me wrong - EV has a place, especially in the city/suburbs when somebody mostly drives to/from work every day and they charge at night.

I just can’t see EV working for anybody who wants a long distance vehicle...

[NavyDiver]

Don’t get me wrong - EV has a place, especially in the city/suburbs when somebody mostly drives to/from work every day and they charge at night.

I just can’t see EV working for anybody who wants a long distance vehicle...

A relative of mine drove a A model ford from Perth to Melbourne. I think camels were used months before to take petrol out and spares for them to do it. It will happen just not yet. Long distance are not going to be an issue when near civilization. Ranges of 600km plus if there is charging infrastructure on route make almost all major roads possible.

Detour a little more remotely and this fails of course. I was wrong it has happened 3 years ago
[B]Driving an electric vehicle across the Nullarbor is now routine (https://reneweconomy.com.au/driving-electric-vehicle-across-nullarbor-now-routine-58197/)

[NavyDiver]

The Rebelle Rally covers more than 2,000 kilometers of stunning terrain across the Nevada and California desert


Guess who might win it?

The Rivian R1T electric pickup is running in the Rebelle Rally (https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/rivian-r1t-electric-truck-rebelle-rally/)

And Roadshow's own Emme Hall will be at the wheel

I might check this one. 2000Km at speed should be a fun trip[biggrin]
Info - Rebelle Rally (https://www.rebellerally.com/info/)
Psst the girls do it in style- Shower and base camps [thumbsupbig]


» 10-day event with 8 days of competition
» Mechanics team – shared by all competitors
» Safety / rescue teams
» Comfortable base camps with showers & bathrooms
» Food & beverage including water during competition days (24 meals per competitor / 48 meals for the team)
» Team vests, t-shirts and a gift bag with complimentary gear from our sponsors
» Rebelle Rally branded KÜHL Spyfire jacket (valued at $279) for competitors who register before December 31st, 2019
» Finish award ceremonies in the majestic Imperial Dunes
» 2 gala tickets / 1 per competitor
» Maps
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» Introductory online navigation course (with map and CP Guide downloads)
» Early registration & installment plans available (see registration form).

[loanrangie]

I've just started watching The long way up with Ewan McGregor and Charlie Boorman, Rivian built 2 prototypes and then gave them to the team to use as support vehicles along with the 2 HD Livewires the boys are riding.

Doh, posted already but still a good watch.

[NavyDiver]

Don’t get me wrong - EV has a place, especially in the city/suburbs when somebody mostly drives to/from work every day and they charge at night.

I just can’t see EV working for anybody who wants a long distance vehicle...

The interview is fascinating on recharging anywhere where no recharging stations where. Not sure that will last forever for everyone of course. Oddly a gent on a mobility scooter ran out of power and we got to charge him recently


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kmK9iTq-FE